>communism is le bad

>>211535555 (OP)
Digits confirm it. Communism btfo’d yet again

People always miss the point of this story which is that animals are bad and therefore its OK for us to eat them.

Why are Americans so politically illiterate.

>>211535627
I consider non whites as animals, should I eat them.

>>211535636
Says some commie fag

>>211535555 (OP)
Yes.

>>211535606
digits confirm that capitalism is retarded in portraying communism

>>211535555 (OP)
They were too pussy to modernize the story and make Napoleon represent Chamenko instead of Stalin or Trump

>>211535555 (OP)
It's actually Russia bad, since it directly depicts the rise of the sovie union. That wasn't real communism though

>>211535555 (OP)
I thought it was a weird scene where the main dictator pig suddenly startet to wear a wig and talked about making the farm great again, I didn't remember that from the book

>Animal Farm is...le politics!

you people will read too much into anything, huh?

>>211535777
People try to make everything political these days. It's about talking animals for gods sake

It's not a critique of communism, it's a critique of USSR specifically. Animals WERE abused, the problem is that authoritarism spawns something shittier than capitalism

>>211535749
For me, it's Cambodian communism. Now that's real communism not some half assed euroshit

>>211535732
Cope

>>211535555 (OP)
Yes that's the book, the movie seems to be racism le bad though. Propaganda of our times.

>>211535674
whites know how to use question marks

The farmers represent capitalism, did you even read the book?

>>211535749
>Russia Bad
>Soviet Union
>Marx was a Jew
>Lenin was a Jew
>Stalin was a Jew
>Trotsky was a Jew
>90% of high ranking Bolsheviks were Jews
>Owning Protocols of Zion punishable by Death
Yeah, definitely "Russian" Lmao

>>211535555 (OP)
This has to be one of the most overrated stories ever. Why the fuck do schools still teach us it? Even in the 21st century?

>>211535891
Stalin and Lenin weren't Jews thoughbeit. And 90% is also false, more like 10%

>>211535942
Just ignore him, he gets all his info from that shithole /pol/

>>211535555 (OP)
I doubt the movie will be about that.

>>211535636
>Why are Americans so politically illiterate.
That's a tariffin'

>>211535942
It's true.

And the genocide of the russian people and the ethnic russian christians was one of the greatest tragedies of human history.

>>211535976
It's litterally going to be pro slavery, pro worship of money wealth and power, pro classism trash.

>>211535555 (OP)
Systems of control of the population and allowing small groups of people to control everything is fundamentally evil and wrong.

No other animal groups do this. There is no such thing as a king in the jungle or a queen ant or alpha or beta.
It's all bullshit to make the lies of kings queens nobles and rulers seem good and natural.
As if they bring anythign good or worthwhile to the people.

It's not about communism or facism, it's more about totalirism and giving all power to goverment.

>>211536140
Shut up you child

Pig hoves wrote this post

the crazy thing is that Orwell coined the term doublethink as a propaganda tactic and the liberals now adopt it as a way of life
>fiery but peaceful
>women (male)
>American (not citizen, can't speak the language, waves Mexico flag)

>>211536528
>American (not citizen, can't speak the language
Do you mean Spanish or native American?

Communism, real communism is good in the sense that it will provide equity and drastically reduce inequality.
But it can't possibly exist because it's based on a philosophy that's fundamentally flawed at its core, that economics are the driving force of human history (the same flawed premise that capitalism espouses).

Turns out that the main driving force of human endeavour, throughout history was in fact religion, or more generically 'faith', and the pursuit of status. The pursuit of wealth was in fact just a means to quell the crises of faith and the attainment of social status.

Listen to this high-school teacher from China explain:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m24LnQ-Ksjk&t=1865
He gets some minor definitions wrong but his overall points are correct.
He also literally criticizes China, so turns out you actually get free speech in China.

Of course, that's not to say capitalism is any better. Capitalism and communism are dialectic ideologies that both believe fundamentally in the same (wrong) thing.

>>211535555 (OP)
Idk just seems like an anti human and pig story

>>211535555 (OP)
lol the animals talk

>>211536680
>communism is such a self-defeating ideology that judeocapitalist america spends billions on coups, color revolutions, terrorism, propaganda, regime change, invasions just to make sure communism doesn't work

capitalists are just scared of an ideology that doesn't serve the 1%

>>211535555 (OP)
It is, but since its Seth Rogan and new its going to take out all the universal themes and get real gay

>>211536932
more than double the posts from the next highest poster, US, on 4chan came from Israel. I like to keep that in mind when I see posts like this

>>211535555 (OP)
I've actually encountered an interesting thesis as to why some Noe commies are so weird and prone to liking mass chimp outs.
Because of fall of the USSR they lost teir argument of alternative. So now they prefer apovlcalypse to capitalism.

>>211536932
Yeah every time communism fails it was due to imperialist meddling. As if commies didn’t and don’t meddle just as hard and yet still lose every time. It’s a joke of an ideology, that’s why all the modern “communist” regimes besides North Korea are actually just capitalist countries with red flags.

>>211536985
They're full of resentment issues. This thread shows that quite clearly.

>>211535555 (OP)
>go fight against nazis with Spanish socialists
>talk about how they're good friends
>come home
>write a book about trotskyism
What the FUCK was his problem?

>>211535749
What’s real communism?

>>211535555 (OP)
Ironic, considering Orwell was a commie himself.

>>211535919
Would you prefer Aes(l)op fables?
Or something more Kafka-esque?

>>211535627
If animals didn't want to get eaten they shouldn't have evolved to be so tasty desu

>>211536680
Is capitalism really an ideology? I don't think many people go around saying "I'm a capitalist"

>>211537025
if you'd read the book you'd know.

>>211535961
This. Don't look up the real numbers, though.

>>211537062
He wrote two famous polemics against communism and you think he's communist?

>>211537062
>Ironic, considering Orwell was a commie himself.
He saw firsthand how commies are evil and retarded while he was in Spain for the civil war.

>>211535555 (OP)
any animal sex in this movie?

>>211537471
I think he's nothing now by the virture of being dead for a while. But he was communist for most of his adult life. He only pivoted few years before death mostly due to >211537492

>>211536932
>communism is such a self-defeating ideology that judeocapitalist america spends billions on coups, color revolutions, terrorism, propaganda, regime change, invasions just to make sure communism doesn't work
The redpill is realizing that none of those things are because judeocapitalists are against communism.
Communism is pretext, an excuse the western elites conceived of to manufacture consent on the uneducated US masses back home for overseas conflicts.
Vietnam is currently the world #1 communist country and the US doesn't give a shit about them, imagines them as allies even.
China wasn't even ever communist nor was Russia.
Russia was ACTUALLY communist for two whole years before the bolsheviks defeated the communists in a counterrevolutionary war:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZDh8JvUG1Q&t=2018
and China never even had a communist revolution:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m24LnQ-Ksjk&t=2276

The real reason was always to maintain US global hegemony while deny any other countries from creating a regional hegemony. That and also because the Bretton Woods system conceived by the US shortly before the end of WWII had culminated in the time of Eisenhower into something that encouraged the propagation of the military-industrial-complex as it complemented the USD's status as the world reserve currency, the decoupling of the USD from gold by Nixon, and the attaching it to Saudi oil in the form of the petrodollar. This guy speedruns all the redpills here:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gH4PvIni5E

Not a random dude either:
>https://globaled.gse.harvard.edu/people/xueqin-jiang

>>211537267
I'll reply in my next post.

Yes faggot bureaucrat nerds being in control of your life is bad

>>211537686
I love it when people like you confidently assert things you would have no way of actually knowing even if it were true.

This is your cue to read Orwell's non-fiction.
Road to Wigan Pier, Homage to Catalonia and Down-and-Out in Paris and London are some of the best books I've ever had the pleasure of reading.
Even if you're a staunch right-winger with no intent of ever having your views influenced, even by the greatest political thinker of the 20th century, they're still 100% worth reading, they're full of wit and humor and you can always choose to just take in Orwell's criticism of Socialism and Socialists (Which ring as true, or truer, now than they did 100 years ago) and leave the rest.

>>211537050
Read Marx

>>211537267
GIMME THE MIC

>>211535942
Lenin was 1/4 I think. You’re correct about Stalin.

>>211537050
communism when anon is in charge. that’s all they ever mean when they say
>that wasn’t real communism
they, the enlightened ones, weren’t running it

>>211537780
I've provided sources. You're free to give logical reasons as to why you think they're wrong. But I already know you're wrong because I'm merely relaying the opinions of contemporary academics.

>>211537267
Capitalism is a real ideology, but it's subversive because it pretty much created the world we've lived in for hundreds of years and whose fundamental pillars ARE how we see the world, same as communism.
There are things from both ideologies we take for granted as 'how the world is' without question.
For instance in the case of communism, the very distinction between the rich and poor being two separate entities in dialectic 'conflict' (marxism) is actually not an inherently fundamental distinction, and yet if someone today tried to talk politics pretending the rich and poor were not distinctively independent features of society people would say they were stupid, even if they were right.
Listen to this whole talk by George Monbiot:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z5yRqv4RzA
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQ4_y3rkX5Q
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5ry7IbHPeQ
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24jU_OlYbbk
A lot of the features of capitalism we take for granted as inherent truths, even if they are not. They merely describe how we have decided to leverage the resources around us.

Capitalism is a policy whereby LAND, LABOUR, and MONEY are COMMODIFIED (stripped of their social, cultural, and historical meanings) such that each of those resources are utilized strictly for the purpose of making money.
Every time you get a loan from someone that isn't your feudal lord, and the money isn't tied to some political agenda you're engaging in capitalism.
Every time you rent or buy a piece of land and its usage isn't privy to the dictate of the ancestral owner of that land, you're engaging in capitalism.
Every time you work for someone whose clan you don't belong to, or hire someone who isn't part of your clan or ethnic heritage, you're engaging in capitalism.

>>211535555 (OP)
>le
Op might be retarded, but the quads of truth. replaces his sarcasm with fact.

>>211537800
Marx never prescribed what communism would look like, he just bitched about capitalism.

>>211535555 (OP)
>bro real communism just hasn't been tried yet bro trust me if I was in charge it would be a utopia brooooo nevermind the mountains of millions of skulls communism is le based!

The real question is: why does anyone want to listen to Seth Rogan's cigarette voice for an hour and a half?

>>211535606
Fpbp
/thread

>No no bro, it's about how totalitarism is bad, not about how communism is bad!
>...please ignore the message being that communism is totalitarism and thus no different from right wing totalitarism

>>211536080
>Systems of control of the population and allowing small groups of people to control everything is fundamentally evil and wrong.

Good thing we don't have that curren-

>>211537686
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gH4PvIni5E
As I said before, some minor gripes. He attributes the Netherlands' desire for wealth accumulation to the Calvinist philosophy of the dutch, which was the beginning of the first global banks.
However, we know that the Dutch East India company's principal stockholders by the end of the 17th century were principally Jewish:
>https://jewishcurrents.org/june-3-the-dutch-east-india-company
And also that the origins of the central banking was heavily orchestrated by Jewish banking families like the Rothschilds, which he skips over. But I guess these details would be too controversial to bring up.

>>211538591
>>211538822
Watch this part:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m24LnQ-Ksjk&t=2229
The thing is, communism as defined by Marx is either wrong, or Russia and China were never communist.
Because (German) Marx's theory of communism predicted that it would be the proletariat that ushered in a communist era.
Except a 'communist' revolution never happened in Germany, France, OR Britain, the countries with the highest concentration of and most developed proletariat class.
Instead, it 'happened' in Russia and China, the two countries that didn't have proletariats, but feudal peasants.
So you see? You can't have your cake and eat it too.
The so-called communist revolutions of Russia and China were peasant uprisings. They never had a significant working class until the modern era.

>put me incharge of all the money, it's evil so I'll take that bullet and pwomise to make it fair
I can't believe people still fall for this

>>211539221
I'm not watching your gay video arguing semantics.

>>211539405
Proletariats aren't semantics. It's a core element of the theory.

dont worry lefty faggots
Communism will work one day
Who care that it has literally never ever worked and especially not in the way you think about it

oh god we have a communist academic in the thread

>>211539502
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gH4PvIni5E
These lectures are like /pol/ candy though.
He's almost certainly right about why the US wants to conquer Iran, and has been provoking it with drone strikes to generals, sanctions, viruses, black ops etc and it's nothing to do with Israel, except that Israel is a tool also wielded by the US as a base of operations in that region.

>>211535891
Russians love jews, though

communism will never work and is shit tier for the simple fact that people are inherently unequal. There are always going to be gay retards, normal people, and extraordinary people. And the latter two will always feel contempt for former, more so if they have to pretend to be equal

>>211539887
communism works when it is done in small hamlets where everyone knows everyone else
it utterly fails in anything bigger in scale

>>211535732
>durrr the jews- err I mean uni told me that there's only capitalism and communism! That's it! The only two forms of government economy!
Kys. HH1488

>>211539887
>>211539953
communism wasn't defined properly even by Marx.

and when he did define it, it was as a post-revolutionary tech-utopia, where all the labour was done by robots leaving people free to pursue creative things. i.e. his ideal society was the same as a tech bros.

seriously. he was a fucking idiot.

>>211540039
Marx would've loved the everliving shit out of Star Trek.
I know Yanis is a massive Trekkie.

>>211535555 (OP)
Correct.

>>211539988
says the guy who believes there are only two political stances: Hitler's and wrong ones.

>>211535555 (OP)
>no slam pigs in communist countries

I will fight to protect the plow sows

>>211535627
Bravo Orwell

>>211537471
if i were to kill a bunch of people and then write a book about why murder is bad, does that make me not a murderer?

>>211535555 (OP)
Yeah no shit tankie, that why commie countries need guards and walls to prevent people from escaping

>>211535942
Lenin absolutely was alongside Trotsky. Stalin was just a cretin from Georgia.

If you want a picture of the future, imagine a jews lying and kvetching — forever

>>211535942
Stalin was married to jews and he spoke Yiddish

>>211541348
To be frank, speaking Yiddish was a pre-requested skill to get anywhere in life in tsarist Russia. Not just because the Jews were running the show, but the carters were all Jewish, too
*rimshot*

>>211535627
kek

>>211535809
The the only system that has any remote chance of mogging based capitalism is portrayed in The Culture book series. Where the super ultra intelligent A. I. run things in a post scarcity society basically giving humans everything they want. All the leisure time and material goods they want. The only downside was covered in the very first book where this guy rebels and sides with brutality fanatic aliens because he thinks humanity are now nothing more than pets to be taken care of by the machines.

>>211535627
This but unironically. Whenever I see someone arguing against eating animals from a moral standpoint it is always some city-dwelling hipster retard who never saw anything natural in his life. I was raised on a farm and let me tell you animals are fucking vile creatures. They kill each other, eat their own babies and rape each other every fucking day. They also all have BPD and at any point in time can just switch personalities and try to hurt you for no reason. I really don't give a fuck about chickens being slaughtered - I've seen these demonic things crushing skulls of their young ones for fun and giggles.

>>211537923
communism is a script for aspiring despots to gain support and take power
everybody who actually believes in equality is too much of a loser to ever gain any power and will be played by the future dictator who will immediately purge all true believers
if we're talking about communism with regard to human beings, this is baked into the ideology

>>211540109
You're not pulling me out and most other virile men out of holopussy long enough to be productive. Pussy equity is the true crux of communism.

>>211539405
I accept your concession, on anon's behalf.

>>211539650
>Israel is a tool of the US
Wrong. 2+2=4. not 5.

>>211541837
>
everybody who actually believes in equality is too much of a loser to ever gain any power and will be played by the future dictator who will immediately purge all true believers

Fucking finally somebody gets it.

>B...but..REAL communism has never been tried!

"Real" communism is so fucking retarded the word retarded cringes in embarrassed shame. Commie sympathisers have no clue that "true" communism is supposed to 'remake' (eg. brainwash) in phases over generations until all humans are "equal" in mind and spirit.

Which is retarded because the cream ALWAYS rises to the top eventually. Ten out of ten times. No exceptuion. Everyone being equal is in direct contradiction of what it is to be human. And the only way to stop the cream from rising to the top is to kill them. Which is exactly what happens every single time this retarded shit gets implemented. Communism is so fucking retarded it's unreal.

>>211539953
wrong, once again. 2+2=4, still. the Utopian Cities failed decades ago.

>>211541579
Butlerian Jihad shows us we don't need this

>>211539444
>I'm a communist academic, let me explain to you why real communism hasn't been tried

>>211542366
Ermagerd but muh abortions and common core and welfare

>>211542561
Actual midwit. None of that is what I meant at all. I'm talking about shooting actually high achievers in the head.

I'm not ready to experience this shit again

>>211542990
Don't worry, the new version probably has no emotional impact whatsoever.