In the end, was he an honorable man?

We don't know because he didn't do a fucking thing. Then at the end he says this is what will probably happen so I win haha. Roll credits.

>>211557701
keikaku

>>211557701
He played the regents like a bunch of retards because he knew Ishido's bias would be the end of him, and it was. He was so desperate to impeach Toranaga that he turned on anyone who disagreed with him so he could gather more power, the same thing he accused Toranaga of doing.

>>211559813

Master of optics

lol no. The dude kept john there indefinitely just because he could.
That's some fucked up shit to do to the guy who helped modernize toranaga's army's fighting tactics.

>>211557587 (OP)
>was he an honorable man?
No. None of them were honorable because they all were just following strict codes they've grown up with to live and die by regardless if it was good or not for all involved. Basically robots killing and killing themselves over silly shit just because they were supposed to.

>>211557587 (OP)
Bushido was a WWII invention by "muh ancestors" Jap nationalists. The samurai did not have a formal code of honor and were backstabbing bastards. The only "honor" was the mafia-like obedience to their clan and superiors.

topanga

>>211557587 (OP)
I dunno i could barely get through the first episode, then i stopped watching.

>>211563572
filtered

>>211557587 (OP)
this nigga got his best man killed, killed based Yabushigesan and worst of all let Marikosama die
fuck him
also fuck the protestants

>>211559813
That's historically accurate. Tokugawa Ieyasu assumed a dominant position in the regency and had the best land and the heir in his custody, and he knew the other regents would attempt to le game of thrones him and each other, so he just sat there and watched them squabble for power and form a coalition against him while pissing off everyone they couldn't buy out or bring in to their conspiracy with empty promises of power. By not doing anything at all, he ensured their attempt to take power was a fart in the wind, ending with a battle where most of their army defected thanks to promises that they would be treated leniently.

>>211559813
See, it all sounds really interesting in concept. The strategy of not doing anything but sit on your ass while you have all these layers of traditions and bureaucracy keeping your enemies from just outright killing you, and making the situation more dire as you keep surviving more and more days by sacrificing your son and best friend thus driving the regents apart as they don't get what they want, is really a solid strategy. However, as it translates in the show it just makes it such a boring slog. You literally have 10 episodes, where 4 to 8 is just watching paint dry as you have to wait with the characters for Toranaga's plan to finally bear fruit.

What do you get in that timeframe? Mariko's bwc adventure, Anjin unable to understand Toranaga's keikaku (the audience as well because we aren't allowed to know, so it just seems like Toranaga is doing jackshit the whole time) and Ishido and the regents sitting on their ass because they don't just say fuck it and go kill Toranaga. It just doesn't make for a very engaging watch.

>>211565140
on my first watch I thought it was all going to lead up to an epic battle with the cannon warfare and everything being used to ensure victory but they were only used for one episode, the show was all about how much of a chessmaster Toranaga was but it was an underwhelming finish. still a good show but left a lot of loose ends

>>211568749
I mean this is exactly how the book ends too, he just thinks forward to how he will win the great battle. I think there's an epilogue that says "he won and ishido got it in the ass. The end."

>>211562762
this isn't exactly true, there were codes of behavior and people talking about martial honor and loyalty and shit during the Edo and sekgoku periods. It just wasn't autistically formatted.

>>211569857
>he won and ishido got it in the ass
not seeing Ishido get fucked up in the show was very disappointing

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>>211569985
go watch any of the fifty thousand japanese productions featuring the battle of sekigahara

>>211568749
>Biggest pitched battle in Japanese history
>20,000 killed
>Represented as Toranaga imagining what will happen in future for 30 second of screen time
> Now slit your belly old friend teehee
Utterly retarded episode

He was Machiavelli's prince Samurai edition. btw how historically accurate is that since they were all about being hororaboru? General didn't even want to do Pearl Harbor without announcing it first

>>211565140
>>211565140
>the audience as well because we aren't allowed to know, so it just seems like Toranaga is doing jackshit the whole time
what are you on about? the premise of the show is obvious from the start. Anjin literally says during the title card something like
>in this land of politeness and saving face, what kind of man becomes powerful?
it's clearly a big brain mastermind type of show. And every interaction of Toranaga with the council made it more obvious

>>211569985
The actor who played ishido is excited for the second season, so I guess we'll see the scene of his character getting buried with only learning his head and neck out.

>>211574461
maybe he's playing a different character?

Why didn't any of those gooks want to try the rabbit stew?

>>211564804
>most of their army defected thanks to promises that they would be treated leniently

Plot twist: they weren't, most mysteriously died soon after and had their lands confiscated.

>>211579706
>Tokugawa: [laughs in japanese]

>>211576567
It would be too weird, if this were an adaptation of Gai Jin or King Rat I would understand it.

Fumi Nikaido is cute

>>211582923
Amen

>>211557587 (OP)
He revealed outright to Yabushige he was an ambitious villain that machinated the situation to his advantage before cutting his head off.

>>211573995
I enjoy large-breasted Asian women.

>>211583093
Christ, Asians are ugly.

>>211583109
As a white man I disagree. They're second only to white women for me and culturally they're less abrasive. Unless they went to a western university in which case they're often more insufferable than white women.

>>211583093
My ototo! Chitose is a goddess.

So how will they ruin season 2?

>>211583256
No Based Yabushige.

>>211569922
it's like chivalry with knights

>>211583256
yasuke

>>211573995
Looking at this woman just makes me depressed. I fucking hate my life

>>211582900
You can't really adapt Gaijin without doing Taipan first, which is never going to get adapted in this day and age.

>>211583587
They would never, not after the assblasting assassin's creed: we wuz shogunz n sheeit got. Half the Japanese cast would probably walk. Also it's set like 30 years too late for him anyway.

>>211583587
S2 will supposedly take place 10 years after S1
he'd be like 67

>>211583109
Nah, these ones in particular are just dogs

>>211583807
Isn't he already dead before the events of s1?