>Be Truman
>calls Oppenheimer a pussy for crying over nuking more than 200,000 Japanese people
>Fires MacArthur and calls him a Retard for suggesting to nuke China and North Korea 30-50 times
Is Truman retarded?

>>211568148 (OP)
MacArthur was just covering his own ass. He went against orders and essentially invaded China (which then resulted in the Chinese horde pushing them all the way back and then some.) To let MacArthur then dictate the next move would be an abdication of duty for Truman.

Isn't that one Gary Oldman as Churchill tho?

>>211568148 (OP)
He was carrying the weight of millions of dead civilians and tens of thousands of dead allied troops on his shoulders. He thought oppie crying about 300k was weaksauce. He even took the load and made it clear he was responsible for those deaths too, not oppie. Oppie was a commie faggget and Truman knew it.

>>211568148 (OP)
Oppenheimer is a glorified project manager and that bomb would have been built just as well with some other guy in charge. Its just another classic case of a narcissistic manager trying to take credit for his underlings work. Oppenheimer is absolutely pathetic.

>>211568148 (OP)
>MacArthur and calls him a Retard for suggesting to nuke China and North Korea
what would present day look like?

MacArthur is the closest this country ever had to a Roman-style generalissimo who threatened to usurp the powers of the presidency in matters of foreign affairs. He repeatedly took decisions upon himself that he had no right to, and Truman was right to clip his wings, end his career, and put him out to pasture before he got any more stupid fucking ideas. A military officer is a servant, not a master.

>>211568509
It was extremely arrogant but it's a well known feature of a guilt complex to overestimate one's influence on events.

>>211568509
Yep, couldnt put it better myself.

>>211568148 (OP)
Truman did not expect China or North Korea to go full commie

>>211568509
People really should call him out more, especially for that fake ass “I am become death” shit he made up. His first thought was probably something like “holy shit it worked!”

>>211568611
>A military officer is a servant, not a master.
trvth but the best ones become the master. E.g. Napoleon, Pinochet, Francisco Franco, Gaddafi

>>211568509
The manager is the one who hires the right people and ensures they're working on the right thing. Without the manager nothing would get done. You might as well be saying a movie would film itself without the director.

There’s no way nuking China would have went well. They wouldn’t surrender they’d just fight a guerrilla war since they’re dispersed in rural areas. There’s practically no military targets to nuke in the first place. They’d secure North Korea and then the entire world would despise them for being batshit insane lunatics.

>>211568271
>>211568271
He's playing Hitler, Hirohito, and Stalin in a Klumps style movie releasing next year.

>>211568148 (OP)
Truman understood that using nuclear weapons would set a precedent that would be very, very dangerous, it's the same reason that leaders today still don't use nukes despite the fact that they might make some short-term situations easier for them. Using them against Japan was alright since they needed to demonstrate their power and the war was still on, but using them after the war on such a small thing as the Korean War would have been a huge mistake.

>>211569125
Kino, would watch

>>211568148 (OP)
>nukes japan even though every admiral and general says it isn't necessary
>supports israel even though every state department member says it's a terrible idea and will lead to forever-war in the middle east
He is without a doubt one of the dumbest people to ever hold the office

>>211568984
You are illiterate. I said it would be the same with a different manager, not no manager. And he's not the director, he's a producer if your going with film role comparisons.

>>211569256
Wrong, we don't use nukes because they do not exist.

>>211569530

I've been using /pol/ for years now, but you might just be the most retarded person I've ever had the pleasure of reading what the fuck you just typed on your keyboard, with your fat, greasy, brown hands, you fucking faggot retard.

You are unironically the most retarded person I've ever met. Your first statement was so abhorrently retarded I think I need to go bust a nut now to take my mind off of it.

>>211569530
>>nukes japan even though every admiral and general says it isn't necessary
Literally no one said this. The most conservative estimates from all US military leaders said that the US would lose a million men if they invaded mainland Japan.

>>211569621
>movie would be the same with a different director
Actual retard.
>producer
He was literally director of the project you buffoon.

>>211570072
>>211570164
Just because you haven't read something doesn't mean it's not true

Brigadier General Carter Clarke, who was the military intelligence
officer in charge of preparing intercepted Japanese cables:

We didn't need to do it, and we knew we didn't need to do
it, and they knew that we didn't need to do it, we used them
as an experiment for two atomic bombs.

This is quoted in Gar Alperovitz, ``The Decision to Use the Atomic
Bomb.'' Alperovitz, by the way, who did 30 years of research on the
subject, said:

I think it can be proven that the bomb not only was
unnecessary, but known in advance not to be necessary.

Another quote. Henry H. Arnold, Commanding General of the U.S. Army
Air Forces:

The Japanese position was hopeless even before the first
atomic bomb fell because the Japanese had lost control of
their own air.

Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, Commander in Chief of the U.S.
Pacific Fleet:

The Japanese had, in fact, already sued for peace. The
atomic bomb played no decisive part from a purely military
point of view in the defeat of Japan.
The use of atomic bombs at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no
material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese
were already defeated and ready to surrender.

This is Admiral William D. Leahy, chief of staff to President Truman:

Certainly, prior to 31 December 1945, and in all
probability, prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have
surrendered even if atomic bombs had not been dropped.

That's from the U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey.
This is from Major General Curtis LeMay:

The war would have been over in 2 weeks without the
Russians entering and without the atomic bomb. The atomic
bomb had nothing to do with the end of the war at all.

>>211568148 (OP)
He's still playing Churchill

>>211570403
>a bunch of conjecture
japs were murder-suiciding their own families on captured islands rather than surrender, those psychos were never giving up

>>211569621
>And he's not the director
He is. He was deciding what every department of the project was doing. How is that not a director? And he was specifically picked because he had an innate understanding of the branch of science involved in making the bomb. From engineering to physics.

>>211570403
You're retarded and I guarantee you those were taken out of context. The US lost much more troops than they thought would when they were island hopping and knocking the Japanese off one by one. The Japanese have a strong sense of homeland pride and would have fought with every man, woman, and child they had. The US would have taken mainland Japan, but it probably would have cost 2 million US lives at least.

>>211570497
>japs were murder-suiciding their own families on captured islands rather than surrender, those psychos were never giving up
This. They were the only power to do kamikaze attacks with their planes. They would have booby trapped everything, sent out soldier to "surrender" with bombs under their shirts, etc.

>>211570625
The Germans did some kamikaze attacks as well, just nowhere on the scale as done by the Japanese.

>>211570497
>>211570579
>direct quotes from the most important military leaders in the country directly involved with the pacific theater
>conjecture
>anyways here's my rudimentary assumptions about what it must have been like back the - shit was crazy!

>>211570579
Not to mention the USSR would've jumped onto the island from Manchuria, where they were slaughtering the Japs like some sick reprisal for 1905, which would probably result in 4 Koreas.

>movie would be the same with a different director
The movie would be completed. The movie analogy falls apart because its a fucking work of art. A hydrogen bomb is a hydrogen bomb. If the detonator is slightly different it doesn't matter.
>He was literally director of the project you buffoon.
You are so very retarded. The director of a movie and the director of a company or project are two totally different things that share the same word. Do you think he was telling scientists how to set up the bomb or staging experiments??? He hired people and oversaw construction, which is much more akin to what a producer does for a movie. Please step off a tall building near you

>>211570760
Quotes can be taken out of context. They can also be incomplete.
"The Japs were broken, done....but I agree we still should have dropped the bomb."
And I'm sure there were people in the Army that were against the bomb being dropped. It's a devastating weapon and maybe they did think the US could keep casualties down during an invasion, but all logic and recent history proves them wrong. The battle of Iwo Jima, the most soldiers lost by the Marines in history in a single battle, was a preview of mainland Japan. Stop being retarded.

Lay a western parasite along the coast to help the Asians understand our world.

>>211570902
Here's another way to end the war without using the bomb- allow them to keep their emperor
It was included in the final peace accords after the nukes were dropped, but mysteriously absent from all other proposed agreements even though everyone believed it would make them more likely to surrender
japanese were putting out diplomatic feelers before the bombs were dropped because they were scared of russia joining
even if the people of Japan were pissed off, enough government officials saw the writing on the wall

>>211568148 (OP)
Oppenheimer was just seething because he wanted his bomb to kill white people, but then Truman went and used it to cook rice instead.

>>211571100
That's a lot of hypotheticals. Those peace feelers were trying to buy time to beef up their mainland defenses. They would rather face the US than the Soviets in an invasion, but either way they were fighting to the death. The Japanese didn't even surrender after the first bomb was dropped. After the second one Truman told them the bombing would continue until they surrendered (even if the US only had 2 bombs ready to get at the time).

>>211568148 (OP)
Harry Truman?

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>>211569256
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>>211570403
are there retards that actually think the nukes were used to end the war? The nuke was used to show off they had the nuke (and weren't afraid to use it). They were winking at russia to not get any bright ideas with all the prime real estate that just opened up, or with their own bomb. This is the factual, unique, sole, historically settled reason they bombed japan. Brainlets can't into game theory

>>211568271
It’s his cousin Straighty Youngman

China wasnt catholic so there was no reason to nuke them

>>211568148 (OP)
He was based as fuck. Maybe not the greatest president ever but certainly one of the most interesting and fun to read about. He had the sickest roasts in Washington.

>>211569125
Oh, lahwdy what fun

>>211568148 (OP)
Yes, practically every president was

I notice this a lot in history, where a leader will get mad at someone else for doing something but then were doing the same in another situation sometimes even worse

Its almost like they are all fake hypocrites just bullshit for power reasons

>>211568611
>A military officer is a servant, not a master.

kek are you retarded
Most leaders in history were military officers of some kind from Caesar to Charlemagne to Napoleon and Hitler

Only in the modern democratic age has that changed, instead we just elected pamper wealthy rats to rule over us instead