Where does Marvel go next?

they need to be more woke, clearly

>>211571743 (OP)
Give us Iron Bitch

>>211571743 (OP)
Literally no one gave a fuck about The Thunderbolts. If this was 2014 MCU where they had the momentum, Thunderbolts would have made money. They have no momentum, audiences are fatigued and once again, no one knows who the fuck the Thunderbolts are.

The MCU is so dead that not even threads about the MCU being dead get much interest anymore. Even just the difference between Loki season 1 and 2 was enormous. Remember Loki season 2? Pop culture sure didn't.

>>211571743 (OP)
To hell, I hope

>>211571743 (OP)
>[Thunderbolts] is the 36th film in the Marvel Cinematic Universe
Enough.

>>211571743 (OP)
They should give it a break for a few years, and stuff it with that multiverse concept. The audience for that has mostly moved on. The 2010s was the time for that, if at all.

endgame should have been the actual end

>>211571743 (OP)
Probably a full reboot sometime soon.

Cancel the MCU. Use their studios to just make whatever they feel like, unrelated to capeshit, with the occasional unique capeshit film here and there. After a good 20 year break launch another cinematic universe.

>>211581162
Should have just took a 5 year break and fleshed out an entirely new, unrelated universe where there are no Avengers but there's the Fantastic Four and other Marvel shenanigans going on. Put in Ghost Rider in there too.

>>211571743 (OP)
When can I pirate this?

Bring back the male gaze.

>>211581365
>>211581162
>>211581185
All of these answers are correct. Should have done the same with star wars after the shitquels. People are tired of rushed cgi projects and insulting the male demographic which is literally why these brands still exist.

>>211571743 (OP)
It goes to the movie vault for 10 years.

Also doesn't every one of these movies come out to "great reviews" anyway? It's not like people trust that anymore, or even look to reviews for guidance.

>>211571743 (OP)
Movies with A list stars with good action scenes and hot love interests make the most money. The problem is that A-list actors now know that Marvel movies can rake in $ billion so they started asking for an obscene amount of money. Disney's solution was to hire B-D list actors and actresses and pump out formulaic slop. They brought back RDJ to help in a sad attempt to get people interested in the MCU again.

>>211571743 (OP)
>Kill the characters everyone loves
>replace them with "diverse" characters that no one loves
>make big budget movies about characters that no one remembers or cares about
>write scripts that only appeals to critics and not to fans
>oversaturate the market with content that requires you to watch other content that explains the plot
>why aren't people watching?

>>211571743 (OP)
More women, more brown and black people
Turn the subversive demoralization up even more

>>211571743 (OP)
more established characters becoming pocs
more lgbt representation, especially gay and trans
more empowered women showing men they are better than them
straight white males only as villains bound to lose

invest billions on every movie and series following this formula

>>211571743 (OP)
Hulkling and Wiccan please.

Actual way to save the franchise (but they will never do it):
1. Pick a small set of characters to move forward with: Doctor Doom, Spiderman and one or two more
2. Make it abundantly clear in the promotion that Avengers Doomsday will only feature those characters and that it is a standalone movie, you do not need to have seen anything since Endgame (and maybe not even that)
3. Within the first 5 minutes of the show somebody does something that destroys the multiverse, then peter parker looks directly at the audience and says "Oh no, the multiverse is gone AND IT WILL NEVER COME BACK, this universe is all we have now" (and then he winks)
4. Going forward never ever bring characters or events from a TV show into a movie
5. Write the movies for their core audience (young, male and straight), have this reflected both in the writers room and in the cast

>>211574783
>If this was 2014 MCU where they had the momentum
Back then they had momentum because it was all movies and each movie felt like an event and no fucking homework was required
>you have to watch this show and this show and this movie's end credit scenes and this show to understand who the characters are and why they're acting a certain way

>>211571743 (OP)
Irrelevance. In fact it might already be there. Fantastic 4 bombing would solidify it.

I find it interesting that the power of tiktok and other shortform content is so strong that zoomers have absolutely 0 desire to see marlel movies in the theater despite being one of the main target audiences during its hay-day.

>>211571743 (OP)
A continued slow decline into obscurity bereft of any reception to the normies so no billionaire marxist faggot can buy it for pennies and resurrect it as a continuing propaganda wing of kikes.

>>211571743 (OP)
atp just retell infinity war properly

>>211583016
IMO they should ave made the FF movie back when they released Cpt Marvel. Smack dab between both avengers finale parts. Instead of the Marvels or whatever it was called that came next they should have done ff2 featuring Doom and other avengers/chars. Those two movies would be the cornerstone for the next wave, which imo shol have been the real secret wars, with OG beyonder, a threat much greater than thanos, who pulls everyone to battleworld to fight and then Doom, absorbs him yadda yadda yadda another 10+ yrs of movies.

>>211571743 (OP)
Stop pretending anyone gives a shit about the multiverse and make the MCU into a sci-fi thriller with themes and messages from movies like Blade Runner and Alien. Get rid of characters who don’t fit in well with this. like 99% of the trash they’ve introduced since covid
I guarantee you audiences would flood those seats again if they did this

>>211571743 (OP)
In the trash

>>211571743 (OP)
The more they keep making slop the more capeshit fatigue will set in until it reaches a point of no return in which they will finally stop making capeshit movies for a few decades.

>>211583672
They completely lost guys in their late 20’s and early 30’s. They used to be the lifeblood of Marvel a decade ago, and now they’ve almost entirely moved on

>>211583672
It's a double edged sword because this only signifies younger generations are more ADHD ridden and stupid than even what came before

>>211571743 (OP)
Overrated reddit trash.

A new villainous organization appears and starts abducting mutants. They plan to exile all mutants to a dystopian alternate version of earth where all the regular humans have died and mutant gangs constantly battle for territory.

>>211571743 (OP)

Special Edition DVDs? Maybe they can make back some money with some cool Blurays and DVDs with the film, commentaries, factoids and behind the scenes stuff.

>>211571743 (OP)
JUST FUCKING MAKE ANOTHER DEADPOOL AND WOLVERINE MOVIE WHERE THEY GO TO TOBEY'S UNIVERSE JESUS CHRIST IT'S SO SIMPLE PEOPLE HAVE LITERALLY BEEN ASKING FOR HUGH AND TOBEY ON SCREEN TOGETHER FOR OVER 20 YEARS. EASILY A 2 BILLION DOLLAR MOVIE AND YOU DON'T EVEN NEED TO POST A SINGLE TRAILER OR SPEND A DOLLAR IN MARKETING.

>>211586119

Dude, I think a good way for Disney/Marvel to save themselves is Wolverine publicity. Just add Wolverine to the posters and maybe include him in a cameo in the new, upcoming Marvel films.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WolverinePublicity

They can also do the same with the current Spider-man. Just have him cameo in the next wave of Marvel t.v. shows and films

>>211571743 (OP)
Spider-Man is still popular. Do some more street level stuff around daredevil, branch out into the supernatural with some blade/ghost rider shit maybe

>>211571743 (OP)
>Despite Great Reviews
its funny. even when they want to act like they they had nothing to do with it, they can't help but cry about how film "journalists" are the loosing everything, and they don't know what to do either

They'd never do this but the winning move is to pause all new movies and let people have a break from all this shit. Then 4-5 years from now announce a new marvel movie and put a lot of effort into making it as soulful and good as possible then build from there. Let people reset their brains for a while and stop fatiguing the movie going public with the same shit over and over. It only appeals at this point to a fraction of the general public

>>211586929
>how film "journalists" are the loosing everything
Good Morning Saar the journalists have loost the everything after Snydercut reviews

>>211571743 (OP)
How do people even find reviews?
Google is dead, it's only AI shit that gets the first results, social media is useless so how do you even find those reviewers?

>>211587055
Letterboxd

>>211587079
Sorry, but the info from OP cannot reference social media reviews by literal nobodies, no?

>>211587103
Why not?

>>211587397
Seems like intelligence is not a virtue you've attempted at or a gift from your ancestors, amirite?

>>211587415
Why not?

>>211581365
>5 year break
>entirely new
This will never ever happen in Hollywood, in any franchise
They couldn't come up with a fresh idea to save their business

>>211571743 (OP)
They need to drop it for awhile. Like 5 to 10 years and then reset movies without the woke shit

The jig is well and truly up. They just don't want to accept that it's not the late 2010's anymore and people have moved on.

They're betting it all on RDJ's return saving the franchise. If Doomsday doesn't live up to expectations, I think they'll slowly retire (or at least reduce the pace/scope) the franchise and try their chances with Star Wars.

>>211571743 (OP)
Thunderbolts was so fucking boring though. I know faggots like the gay emotional shit but there were no good fight scenes. These are still supposed to be action movies that men in theory could enjoy...

>>211571743 (OP)
They bit the hand that fed them. GG jews

>>211588965
>try their chances with Star Wars
erm.. about that..

>>211581522
Not at all.

You all have terrible ideas holy shit
When has a "break" actually worked for anything?

>>211571743 (OP)
>Where does Marvel go next?
Away, I hope

>>211571743 (OP)
Shoud have released this before Captain Falcon, it would have done better.
But hoenstly, even though I enjoyed Thunderbolts, the Marvel fatigue is real for pretty much everyone. They need to take a break for a while after Doomsday inevitably makes a huge loss.

>>211571743 (OP)
Hiatus for a few years at least or Secret Wars ends with fully rebooting the verse so that they can bring back their actual draws but with new actors

>>211586753
>branch out into the supernatural
They can't because that's verboten in China

>>211571743 (OP)
to hell

>>211571743 (OP)
A clear reset in all aspects (elephant in the room included). No point in a break if after it they're jumping back to it with the exact same creative outlook.

>>211589522
Godzilla, the late 70s showa films did so badly (Despite a few being legitimately good) that Toho effectively put the series on a 9 year hiatus though some projects were conceived and abandon in that time

Return of Godzilla in 1984 was a financial success at the Japanese box office because there was no new movie between then and 1975

>>211588965
They already slowed down Star Wars. First the films, now the TV shows.

>>211571743 (OP)
just make shit for 10 year old boys again. Cool action man with cool action scenes

>>211589522
Wasn't there a huge break with Dr. Who? Or has that show legit been going on since the 70s or whatever?

>>211571743 (OP)
marvel goes to china next

>>211590440
>China
THIS RIGHT HERE is what kills any creativity in Disney films and that's their retarded insistence at bowing to Chiness censorship bullshit, its literally to the point Disney is unironically parroting anti-Japanese and anti-Korean sentiment to make our literal enemy in the CCP happy, these faggots need to be tried for fucking treason

>>211583605
please God let fantastic 4 bomb it would be too fucking funny. Disney won’t let it though because it’s too important for their next “phase”

>>211590655
Doctor Who was originally cancelled in the 80s by the head of the BBC because he hated the show (For what reason varies but he first started with repeatedly slashing the shows already small budget) the 96 movie was an attempt to garner interest but it'd be another nine years before it came back in what we knew and loved

>>211585713
>more multiverse shit
just FUCK OFF

>>211590822
And now we've had enough of Doctor Who and he should go on hiatus again for another 9 years.

>>211588965
>try their chances with Star Wars.
they spent a decade trying that lol

Fantastic Four looks fucking shit
The costumes don't look like action hero costumes but something you see in a sitcom, Human Torch's personality has been neutered and watered down for God knows what reason, Thing looks like they did the same and he's also supposed to be the height of Hulk. Pedro Pascal looks like he was cast solely because he's a flavor of the month
It all looks awful

>>211590947
I don't think it's even going to capture the middle aged mothers who fancy Pedro, if that's the one last hope they had for this movie.
There is not an ounce of attractiveness in those costumes or how he acts. All I feel is revulsion.

>introduce browns and women
>entire studio and franchises begin to tank
chud bros…we were right

>>211571743 (OP)
Is there any point to critics anymore they are just clapping seals at this point.
Long gone are the days of film reviewers of the likes of barry norman. Iq is so low these days modern audiences would think critics like barry are speaking in a different language

>>211590869
Only after they ran the series into the fucking ground like retards, kinda like Marvel is doing now

>>211585572
Why are white dudes so insecure that they can't watch a masterpiece because it has a female or BIPOC as a main character?

>>211591290
Considering it's also had Disney money in it for a while, I'm sensing a trend...

>>211591335
>what is blade
Its the fact that the film makers openly shit on white people

Have your superheroes actually be heroic, literally Captain Falcon's entire movie he came off as a whiny bitch
The antiheroes of Thunderbolts aren't cool except for maybe US Agent but Marvel wants audiences to hate him for being a white male.
Spider-Man lost everything and no one remembers him, he made that choice willingly

I don't remember Shang Chi, Black Widow, or any other movie really but did any of the heroes in the last few phases even, y'know, do anything resembling heroism?

Iron Man 1 was and is the only good MCU movie because it had no MCU shit or Disney involved

>>211591398
That's actually a huge problem with modern pop culture that "heroes" nowadays are whiny, selfish, utterly pathetic, and narcissistic something you can actually trace back to Buffy The Vampire Slayer, because Buffy herself was always a whiny cunt who the narrative bent around to her whim.

Yet another example of how Joss Whedon ruined it for everyone

>>211591398
That Walker was actually written like a flawed human being, unlike in FATWS, is something of a win.

>>211591647
>Buffy herself was always a whiny cunt
Was she? Because I remember at one point she began becoming more active in her hunting

>>211591775
>written like a flawed human being
Which is a thing these activist writers don't and never will understand

The problem is Marvel keeps thinking every D-list hero/team will be the next Guardians of The Galaxy, but that was lightning in a fucking bottle because recognizable names were attached to it

If Thunderbolts was instead a Bucky/Winter Soldier flick with the Thunderbolts as antagonists but not villains there'd be something since people recognize Sabastien Stan. But no they wanna push Yelena who nobody gives a fuck about instead because she's got a pussy

Thats like making a 200 million dollar Nighthawk or Demolition Man movie

>>211571743 (OP)
>Despite great reviews
You can't convince me that it wasn't bots and paid shills. That movie is just as bad as the latest Thor and Ant-Man movies.

>>211591335
Im not interested in your gay shit and don't owe you any money.
I moved on to greener pastures. Hope the bulldykes show up for Black Panther with Doechii doing the soundtrack

>>211571743 (OP)
They won't admit this about Cap 4, and it didn't even get good reviews.
>>211581185
Instead, they doubled down and have years of dreck planned. This was a trend, and they bet everything on it and made it into an industry in itself. I don't see how this ends in anything but massive failure.

>>211571743 (OP)
The answer to why this happens is in multiple spades
1. Endgame was hyped up as the finale, the perfect end
2. People in 2025 are broke and the economy is tanking, movie theaters are retardedly expensive to boot. Nobody wants to pay the prices at a theater if they don't have to or can't.
3. Slash these fucking budgets, these movies don't need the exorbitant budgets they have and you don't need the big CGI spectacle endings, a simple small scale final fight works just as well, but this also extends to other Disney things like their Star Wars shows (Remember The Acolyte? That cost $200 million), Pixar flicks, and live action remakes, Thunderbolts would've been a hit if its budget was down to $75 to 80 million. Fucking Yellowstone episodes cost up to $12 million yet those also are so good looking.
4. Disney lets their activist writers, activist directors, and activist actors run their cocklickers without sitting them down and telling them to shut the fuck up about their pet causes and promote the fucking movie

>>211579279
>Remember Loki season 2? Pop culture sure didn't.
I wish I didn't remember it, was just the same beats as S1 but done in a much worse way

>>211593591
>They won't admit this about Cap 4, and it didn't even get good reviews.
They can't allow themselves or anyone else to think that a Cap movie was a dud - especially with Mackey at the helm. It really would be admitting defeat.

>>211590705
>it's China's fault that my disney slop sucks more now
cope

>>211593704
The First Avenger was a semi-dud. The thing is that cap only had one solo film that did numbers, Winter Soldier. Civil War doesn't count because it's Avenger's 2.5. Evans is THE cap, and it even then the franchise wasn't big without help. No way this new one would do well. Adjusting for inflation, it made less than The First Avenger.

>>211593820
How does Xi's cock taste, shill?

>>211571743 (OP)
in the bin

>>211593683
>Slash these fucking budgets
You know they can't right? They've gotta pay SAG and WGA somehow

>>211594168
Not very good and he has trouble cumming

>>211593683
I think part of is as well is why even bother going to the theater when the movie will end up on streaming in 1-3 months? I can pay money to go to the theater now or just wait and get it for free basically
but the entire MCU itself is just all over the place and makes no sense right now
sam wilson, kamala khan, moonknight, jane foster, strange, that makes sense for post Secret War (which I'm guessing Doomsday will be loosely based off) but even before that Kang was meant to fight the original Avengers not the new ones so why the fuck is this even happening? where are they going?
I'm 100% convinced no one sees a clear path for the movies to take because there's just no buildup or anything
we saw Kang, we saw the multiverse, then they just stopped altogether and we haven't seen anything since besides one off movies like thunderbolts and shitty series no one really watched besides Loki
>Doomsday follows Dr. Doom as supreme ruler
great but how did we get there, how did he take over?
>there's a new Fantastic 4 movie
oh good that'll be the major lead-in which tells me all I need to know
>about the Silver Surfer and Galactus

>>211594428
>I'm 100% convinced no one sees a clear path for the movies to take because there's just no buildup or anything
Even in Infinity Saga flicks that didn't build up to Thanos things happened that set the stage for where we'd see certain characters next and even brief glimpses
Strange was last seen in 2022, or whatever year it is in-universe. Three years without so much as a guess of what he's up to.
It reminds me in a weird way of cop procedurals where status quo is everything and the only time things feel big is the finale

Superhero fatigue started in the late 2010s. They should’ve taken a break years ago

>>211595123
Yeah this, it feels like nothing drastically changes anymore. Plus Ant-Man 3 had literally 0 character development from anybody and the new big bad villain dies.

Not that it'd change anything but if Kang won, imprisoned Ant Man, Wasp, and the Pyms with Cassie only narrowly escaping but knowing that deep shit is coming it'd work more

>>211571743 (OP)
Problem is marvel could put out a movie that's just 2 hours of some dude with diarrhea shitting everywhere & "critics" would have insisted it was the greatest thing ever. Reviews mean nothing now cause all reviewers are simps for the industry and kept insisting awful movies were amazing.

>>211574783
If it had been based off the original Thunderbolts comic and been about Zemo recruiting a bunch of lame villains to pose as heroes in the 5 years of confusion after the snap I would have bought out an entire theater by myself just to see it. But instead we got this shit

>>211595408
Disney has a mandate that their movies can't have sad endings, Kang winning falls under that banner somehow. Feige only got the okay to end Infinity War the way it did was because he promised Disney brass the dead characters would come back

Its weird because the best MCU flicks end with bittersweet endings that are utterly hollow victories, the best superhero movie of our time, the Dark Knight, ends on the most hollow victory you could possibly have.

>>211590265
They don't need a complete stop hiatus. Just do smaller completely stand alone movies and slowly (this is the key word) bring those characters into the larger connected universe. Everyone forgets marvel had 10 years of build up to avengers & everything before then was barely connected.

>>211590705
They'd be better off pandering to China then the woke crowd at least then the movies would make money and more people would watch them

>>211587415
Your skin is shit colored, right?

>>211571743 (OP)
into the shitter
I wonder if Bob Iger has anyone working on an "Iran bad" script at the moment

>>211571743 (OP)
>despite great reviews
Yeah, most reviews were actually hilariously detached from reality.
>it really shines a light on mental health issues
>that character is an SSRI slurping mental midget just like me!!!
Normal people are not going to attach themselves to a movie that is being praised for being so in tune with mental illnesses. Also, fuck off with the green screen fights and choreography where you can tell that there's no physicality to the fight scenes. It is glaringly obvious.

>>211582190

>>211596101
>shines a light on mental health issues
Who the fuck is actively watching a show or movie with the intention to see mental illness highlighted? I wanna see action characters do cool shit

>>211596494
That's what fans and reviewers failed to understand. Through their own hype they killed the FOMO of this product. Normal people don't revel in all their little "personality kickers" and celebrate being mentally damaged and seeing that accurately represented on screen. Regular people are going to disassociate themselves from this movie.

>>211596101
I saw it with a group of normies and everyone liked it

>>211571743 (OP)
It was better than Captain America 4, and most of the newer Marvel movies, but it has literally 0 star power and features characters people don't care about. That's why it failed.

>>211586080
i can't watch that on my phone unc. fr fr no cap on god

>>211595660
>Disney has a mandate that their movies can't have sad endings,
Wait is that fucking true?

>>211596759
I talked to that group of normies and they told me they were lying to you about enjoying it so you wouldn't sperg out at them. They just felt bad for your mom and wanted to get you out of her basement for a night.

>>211596906
That's improbable, I'm the hottest one there

>>211571743 (OP)
Sentry was pretty much the only kino part

>>211596672
Its like when movies or shows feel the need to insert random leftist talking points that take you out of the plot and make it obvious the writer is using the product as a means of soapboxing

I'd be bitching the same way if a right-leaning writer did this shit too

>>211596672
I take meds for my issues but I don't need to see every character out there take meds to feel whatever the writer/director wants me to.

The "Mental Health Revolution" in pop culture has done nothing positive and made every character in shows and movies into a bitch

>>211597124
Kinda wild that someone actually OKs a production dropping a few lines and/or a theme or two that is highly divisive and risks alienating about half of the audience.

>>211571743 (OP)
was Thunderbolts* actually good?

>>211595660
That combined with these movies essentially serving as filler with a tiny bit of overarching plot makes them feel like an actual waste of time. They are second screen flicks that you use to have as background noise.
Honestly Ant-Man 3 like what >>211595408 mentioned is one of the worst offenders, since he just goes right back to his shitty job and ungrateful family.

>>211596672
Mental health is one of those things people deal with but prefer to be quiet about it like finances, drug problems, or family troubles. Folks go to movies like superheroes, action, comedy, or even horror to forget about those issues for just a little while but nope, activist writers seem to be dead ignorant than not everyone is from LA where freak flags fly in the worst ways

>>211598144
It is objectively mediocre but it's got some good scenes and the characters are actually written well for today's Marvel.

>>211596672
The problem is these things are made specifically with critics in mind and critics and audiences generally have drastically different standards
Horror fans love movies that critics regularly call complete dogshit but they find entertainment in them regar

>>211596672
>Normal people don't revel in all their little "personality kickers" and celebrate being mentally damaged
Why did so many people like Joker then? The team being total whos is a much more obvious problem.

>>211571743 (OP)
What Marvel needs to do is actually pretty simple
Deadpool & Wolverine made buck at the box office because it was different from the safe MCU formula
Marvel should start investing in more R-rated films, a Punisher that's rated R and made for a fraction of the Iron Man films? Easy win

You all think Marvel would've been better off if Fox purchased them entirely like they wanted to in the 90s?

>>211599644
No because Fox would've tried ripping off Smallville with a prequel show for Spider-Man or some shit

>>211571743 (OP)
Marvel went full SJW (I really am using that term in 2025, fuck you) that's what killed interest

The worst part is that was Kevin Faggy's plan all along because that Ike the Kike said nobody wants to see Captain Marvel because nobody knows who she is (He was right). Ike the Kike didn't want to do all the race and gender swapping either but low and behold - Kevin did

>>211600759
People really underestimate how insane Kevin Feige is.

The man was the one who pushed Eternals. And still wants Eternals 2.

He was the one who pushed the woke diversity characters like Ms Mavrel, America, Ironheart, and Scarlet Witch’s gay kid. And supposedly he is hinting at Miles replacing Peter.


And Kevin is the one that keeps hiring Rick and Morty writers. No seriously, he saw the Acid and Pickle episodes and decided he NEEDED those talent.

>>211571743 (OP)

The answer is pretty obvious for anyone that´s not brain dead. There is only one place to go and let me tell you, if they did, they would make bank like they´ve not seen since phase 1. But since i would rather they died than to fuck it up i´m not telling.

I´ll just watch as they quietly disappear as a consequence of decades of bad choices.

>>211601835
>Miles
Because THAT would go over so swimmingly, wouldn't it? Miles is already divisive because comic writers keep trying to force him to be Gen Z/Alpha's Spider-Man and kept giving him retarded new powers
Spider-Verse movies worked because Peter took on a mentor/mentee role with Miles

>>211601835
>And still wants Eternals 2.
Why? So it can bomb even harder than the first one?

>>211571743 (OP)
Bet Ironheart will also get great reviews.

>>211603791
People give as much a fuck about Ironheart as they do AEW

>>211602279
Marvel has been trying to force Miles into the role of the permanent Spider-Man for years while also trying to place him in the role of "The Most Important Superhero Ever Born"
Literally they brought back What If? to celebrate the Disney+ show but instead of being a celebration of the series they made Miles the focal point and made him Thor, Wolverine, Captain America, & I think Iron Man too.

Marvel keeps trying to force Miles Morales as the new flagship character but its just not taking, and they hate Peter Parker's Spider-Man for it because Marvel editorial made it a race thing

>>211601835
>Ms Mavrel, America, Ironheart, and Scarlet Witch’s gay kid.
The same diversity characters whose comics are read by nobody?

What they should have done is
>End of Doctor Strange 2, Strange finds himself back in the reality where Black Bolt and them were killed
>Meets that universe's versions of Iron Man, Captain America, and Black Panther all played by new actors in the roles
>Strange learns he's being recruited because of a powerful sorcerer whose building a weapon to aid in causing incursions
>Learn that he's called Doom

Thunderberg shows her dog tits

>>211608548
Honestly I do wanna see more of that reality and see what its versions of the X-Men, Spider-Man, and Daredevil were up to

In the thunderbolts movie, early on when they're fighting each other in the vault, there's this round silver thing on a table that looks just like an X-men logo. It pops up several time during the fight. I assumed it was a teaser for how she also made the mutants like she did Bob.

Unironically the Sentry story was too dark and weird for Hispanic audiences who already stayed away because the movie looks too Russian. The movie tries so hard not to look American or put America in a good light too which turns a lot of boomer people off.

It is just a movie with bad vibes, seriously Suicide Squad has good vibes even if you think it sucks the movie appeals to Hispanics and has a lot of charming characters. Everyone in Thunderbolts is so drab.

>>211610848
>Sentry story was too dark and weird for Hispanic audiences
Huh?

>>211571743 (OP)
Instead of spending 300 million dollars on a 3 year reshoot fest that no one even cares about and trying to put as many empty character reveals in them as possible that no one cares about, GIVE 5-10 DIRECTORS A 20 MIL BUDGET TO MAKE A MOVIE WITH A GOOD STORY AND A GOOD CHARACTER THAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY WANT TO SEE. They have created a machine that follows a formula where they want to put big number in and get big number out and they completely forgot their industry is about MAKING MOVIES FOR PEOPLE TO WATCH AND ENJOY.
Same goes for DC, same goes for the Monster Universe that never got off the ground. Just make a few good movies that are linked together and trust your creative instead of spending 10x the amount of money to make your bad story into a slop spectacle.

>>211581162
>>211581365
I mean, you guys are kind of ignoring the part where Disney literally can't afford to not try and milk these cows because they paid a lot up front and like half their other releases are turds. Star Wars series are the only thing generating any interest in Disney+ and they need the MCU and its theoretically high ceiling because the live-action remakes are an iffy proposition now.

Of course the whole problem is that they had to buy out these properties to begin with. Back in the day they'd have just taken some old book or fairy tale that anyone could use freely, ut the Disney spin on it and made an original hit out of it that was all gravy. But there's not a lot of originality left. Now they have to buy popular shit and make bastardized versions of it. It's a company in decline, they just haven't pissed away all their money yet. But the noose is tightening a little.

>>211582190

>>211583016
I think they know the multiverse does as much harm as good but I don't know if they can help themselves. It's the greatest tool a lazy screenwriter can have

>where'd that thing come from?
anther universe
>wasn't that character dead?
he's alive in another universe
>aren't those actors from different, unrelated movies all playing the same character?
everything's possible in the multiverse

The multiverse is a magic asspull machine that dwarfs even time travel because at least time travel usually has some rules. With the multiverse you can just think up whatever and there's no need to even justify it. Spider-Man can be a fucking pig because hey, infinite possibilities!

>>211598144
it's a 6-7/10 movie that got released in the 4/10 era of Marvel.

>>211607933
people did actually like Ms. Marvel, she was one of the few "All New, All-Different" Era characters that people actually liked.
but she does not have anywhere near enough character to be the super special Mutant/Inhuman girl Marvel wants her to be.

>>211610848
what the fuck are you talking about?

>>211574783
the real problem is the shows. Third worlders don't have easy access to disney plus or whatever with which to watch the shows and catch up. This creates a huge portion of the audience who don't want to watch these slop withour first catching up on the show, which they never will because shows don't have that magic moviegoing experience.

Warned them about that multiverse bullshit but they had to do it. They just had to open that can of worms and now nothing matters anymore. Of Earth 616 got fucked up, just let Doctor Strange open a portal and boom new universe. NO STAKES, nothings being risked. Let Thanos snap everyone, let Dormammu treat Earth like an oviposition egg, let Galactus eat it, who cares nothing matters.
THEY KNEW THIS SHIT TOO. They knew from the comics this shit sucks, but they just had to do it.
And then they thought Kang would be the next hot shit? KANG? They fucked up. They took 11 years of movies to introduce and kill Thanos, but just two years after Thanos got dusted, here they were draping K A N G in our faces like a cape in front of bull's face expecting us to care.
Their saving grace has been DC sitting in the corner shitting their own diaper and pointing at Marvel's success and crying like a whiney little baby that can't even stand up on their own two feet.

I hope the latest Doomsday leak is true. The Void at The End of Time not being a Battleworld stand-in would be perfect for setting it up for something else.

>>211611819
I was trying to think of what that pic reminded me of and then it occurred to me

More black leads

>>211571743 (OP)
Doom is depicted as way too tall here

>>211571743 (OP)
it was 45 minutes too long. Theres no action until the end, and the dream bit was so 2012, very uneven. Why not speed through the bullshit origin stories and jump into some gritty zero-ability street action straight away?

>>211618218
Because spotlighting mental health is more important than everything else
I've come to notice that its actually the only thing modern writers taking seriously

>>211584903
They couldn't do that. Endgame came out Summer of 2019. The 20th Century Fox buyout was finalized March 2019.

>>211595593
That sounds dumb.

>>211571743 (OP)
>reporters report on their surprise that their reports weren't enough to make a movie successful.....again

>>211571743 (OP)
Thundersharts should have solely focused on me feeding sharp cheddar to Pugh. It would have been good

>>211612561
>I mean, you guys are kind of ignoring the part where Disney literally can't afford to not try and milk these cows
Yet they can afford to release flop after flop.

>>211571743 (OP)
Into the trash where it belongs, along with Gunn's newborn DC cinematic universe.

>>211589522
Batman

Hopefully they will go into the vault for twenty years and give us a break from capeshit.

>>211589522
>>211620986

>>211571743 (OP)
it failed because it relied on you seeing Black WIdow first

Spandex-clad women...

... with magnificent gravity-defying bosoms...

...engaged in gratuitous violence and bondage activity.

>>211621527
this ... except it's shirtless boys

>>211625346
its been shirtless boys for 8 years and it hasn't been working

>>211612561
The cow's isn't producing milk anymore. I wonder what follows that

>>211630648
Wow I fucking butchered that. I'm tired

>>211571743 (OP)
They should give it a break. It's like an ex that you can't stand to see his face but he keeps messaging you.
Make us miss you, Marvel!

>>211630712
no

>>211571743 (OP)
Did they not have a good run? Fucks sake quit while 'ahead'.
If they'd taken a lengthy break after Endgame then the goodwill might not have been replaced with cape fatigue.
Same shit with Star Wars, there's always a Star Wars tv show or movie at any given point in any year. Fucking lay off greedy kikes