you ungrateful caused this

>>211618351 (OP)
You can't release a COVID clunker like Dead Reckoning then expect people to actually care about the sequel.

>>211618351 (OP)
You mean "ingrates"

>>211618351 (OP)
I thought the series was becoming bogged down with returning characters. With the exception of Hunt, the team should be one and done.

>>211618351 (OP)
The last one was awful and put me off seeing this one, especially with a 3-hour runtime.

Dead Reckoning was terrible and this looks just as bad
Sorry Tom. I wanted better for both of us.

>>211618414
OP not being a faggot mission: impossible

>>211618351 (OP)
Didn't part 1 lose a shitload of money too? I know Tom has a lot of star power but how did the studio agree to distribute a guaranteed flop theatrically? They could have saved so much money going straight to streaming.

>>211618498
straight to streaming mission impossible movie is just admitting defeat. Even if they had indeed been defeated

>>211618351 (OP)
i look forward to hav this released on torrent just so i can finally watch it and stop giving a single fuck about this series

take the hint tom
retire

>>211618439
>the team should be one and done.
But I like Luther.

>>211618351 (OP)
you mean "you ingrates"

>>211618351 (OP)
I saw it in theater.

>>211618439
Dumb opinion. MI is at it's best with Ethan, Luther, and Benji.

>>211618351 (OP)
>you ungrateful caused this
Good morning sir!

They got greedy. Should have just been 1 film.

>>211618351 (OP)
>No Ferguson
>bombs
WHATTA SURPRISE

>>211618414
>>211618491
>>211618654
Browncel jeet faggots like OP dont understand English.

>>211618610
>makes a few mediocre movies and the pitchforks and torches come out
I didn't care for these movies either but jesus man. You're kind of a bitch, honestly.

>>211618351 (OP)
I enjoyed it, it felt like one last victory lap and a celebration of all the movies before it. I wish other franchises who have been chugging along for this long also did what MI did.

The real reason it did so badly though is because splitting movies into part 1 and 2 always fucks with the box office and part 1 was kind of mid. Plus everyone has movie fatigue so nobody goes to the expensive ass movie theatre no moe!

>>211618351 (OP)

He risked his life 20 times for nothing.

I legit don't remember a single thing from the last 3-4 MI movies. Even the set pieces are totally interchangable.

Despite that I can recall MI1 and 2 in detail

>movie made:300m overseas alone
It's americans who are ungrateful

>>211618852
The only thing I remember from any mission impossible after 2, is
1. Henry Cavill reloading his cuffs
2. I think there was something with a helicopter I enjoyed
Honestly not very good movies but I don't hold it against Tom, we can't win em all.

>>211618771
>losing a third of a billion isn't a big deal

The problem with these movies is the same with Fast&Furious movies. The spectacle becomes too stylized to make any impact. It's like watching a cartoon. It also doesn't help that all the cast has really weak ass PG-rated cutesy banter and basically all edge is removed out of it.
It just feels too manufactured and routine. Like they made a script and just went through a checklist of what to put in there and it barely matters what the story is or what the mcguffin is or what is going on at all.

Craig's later Bond movies suffered from the same thing and so do a lot of other recent action movies.
It's like Hollywood simply doesn't have any good scriptwriters anymore and all these scripts are produced my a committee or an AI or something.

Man my town doesn't even have a movie theater anymore.

>>211618351 (OP)
I stopped on number 2, seriously how the fuck did this go on this long?

>>211619031
>im mad some jews lost money
Who gives a shit? I literally couldn't care less

The problem is writing. Always was, always will be.

>>211618414
>>211618491
>>211618654
>>211618689
>>211618742
I meant you ungrateful cunts but I’m drunk as shit

>movie comes out
>nobody talks about it
>nobody talks about any of the plot in it
>nobody talks about any of the stunts
>if anyone does bring it up it's to talk about how Pom Klementief is a turboslut

Cruise should've focused on the plot.
I don't even know what they're fighting against recently. some rogue AI or some shit? who cares

>>211618852
I remember stuff but all of them (especially 4-6) blend together. Plus the plots were all about rogue agents and nukes. At least 7-8 had the AI story which is a bit novel for the series.

There was the Burj Khalifa climbing thing.
There was the underwater vault thing that looked like CGI but was supposedly real?
There was the cargo plane climbing thing

>>211619237
I don't even know what they're fighting against recently. some rogue AI or some shit?
It feels like they threw that in because they need to. The movie starts with that but then actually the villain is some mexican guy that fist fights women in overly choreographed ballet combat

>>211619239

The problem is that the later ones don't seem visually or thematically or otherwise distinct in any way. They all seem like one long movie.
I don't know why that is, but it's Cruise's way of having these movies feel absolutely the same since all the beat-by-beat direction is the same throughout. He's always running, his team is always quipping the same way, the badguys are all totally interchangeable. The stakes seem to be exactly the same every time etc...

Also the reasoning of play-by-play of stuff in the script is really idk ... non-involving.
They have to infiltrate the place to get the file that tells them what other place they need to go to that points them to a dude that knows info about another dude that it's in the place with the briefcase that leads to the dude.
At the end of the day you're watching it to see Cruise being Cruise, but even that wears off since the reasons to do anything in the movie are so arbitrary.

>>211619317

I feel like John Wick and F&F eroded the action movie franchise to utter slop and established that as the norm.

No Becca no bucks

>>211618741
Holy shit I thought that was her the whole time.

>>211618814
Same. People drive like shit here.

>>211619522
>action/combat scene
>point is supposed to be feeling tension because the characters are in danger
>remove all danger by having them dance around like it's the fucking cirque du soleil, everyone is a magical superhero, never in any danger, don't even pretend to be

I have no idea why this is a thing. I guess I can kinda get it for superhero movies for children where you can have over the top action, but for a regular movie with regular humans I will never understand this

>>211619909

Being a scriptwriter used to mean something in Hollywood and having a great script meant you can forge a great movie out of it. Directors competed to get their hands on them.

Now writing a script for this drivel is an afterthought. It's done by third-rate hires that just do whatever the director/producer tell them to put in a script, probably they go by a checklist to make sure all the usual stuff is in there with nothing too unexpected

I sense there's a possible film franchise in this classic TV series. Someone should study it and make an intelligent movie out of it.

Making it a 2 parter was fucking fatal. When I saw that I didn't see part 1 and thus I wouldn't see part 2.

>>211618351 (OP)
>you ungrateful

>>211618351 (OP)
you're welcome

>>211618351 (OP)
Shit film series, shit actor.

MI3 was when it peaked

>>211618351 (OP)
I enjoyed watching the movie in the theater but it's a disappointment, nonetheless. For the love of God, Hollywood, please stop making boomer-core action movies longer than 2 hours.

saar please to be doing the grateful

>>211618394
fpbp
Dead Reckoning was the first movie I went to the theater for in several years, I was so excited for it, and it was such a massive letdown. They lost the faith of many of their fans. And from what I've heard, Final Reckoning didn't redeem that faith.

>>211619522
yep. the slopification of everything. they can't even make a decent, simple action movie with some good fights, shootouts, car chases, suspense, sex. it's not that hard and they make some boring plastic BS. same goes for craig's bond movies (except for Casino R). i cannot think of a single good movie made in the last decade.

>>211619538
very true

>>211618351 (OP)
movie too long, like the one before

western theater seats are not that comfy

>>211618678
I too saw it in theater. Well worth it, Tom is batshit insane, wouldn't work in my living room or computer. No sir.

>it’s gonna FLOP
>MUH FLOP
>Hate Tom for he is GLIB!
Trust the plan Cruisekings, Tom would never let us down

>film making $500m+ internationally
>still fails to recoup costs
Hollywood is fucking cooked, bring back mid-budget movies

>>211618351 (OP)
>you ungrateful
YOU BLOODY!

>>211623351
When you have movies like Tom Cruise in them, you can't lose.

>>211619134
They didn't actually "lose" it. They paid themselves that 300m

>>211618351 (OP)
i never saw a mission impossible in my life until i saw death reckoning and i thought it was entertaining honestly

>>211618351 (OP)
sorry? looked more woke than the first part.

>>211618351 (OP)
how do you lose money at the box office
that the movie will lose money at the end of the day is possible for its investors, but it will always have made money at the box office
silly title

>>211618351 (OP)
Maybe don't release a three hour exposition dump with two action scenes sandwiched in between.

Why are we shooting all my scenes first?

damn he got really old all of a sudden

Lose???

Win???

>>211629467
Damn, tom run through the age filter transforms into my uncle. Except my uncle has lighter and less hair.

HTTYD Chads. We won.

>>211618351 (OP)
>/tv/ said dead reckoning 1 would be a blockbuster buster hit because "you cant bruise the cruise"
>/tv/ also said barbie would bomb because "go woke go broke"
You guys are fucking idiots.

>>211620600
It's worse with the Mission: Impossible films ever since McQuarrie started working on them. They don't have a script and make the movie up as they go. The actors learn their lines just before they shoot a scene or improvise them. They know which big set pieces the movie will include, then fill the gaps with whatever ideas they'll have on the day.

Wasn't Fallout super successful? Why did the final two flopped?

A grandpa shouldn't still be making action movies as the lead character

>>211629997
World War 3 popping off in the Middle East and mass protests probably influenced the main audience for this after TG2 to not go out. Bad timing. 300mil is reasonable compared to almost any Disney-LucasFilm fiasco of the past decade.

>>211630463
this is cope.

>>211618683
Two hackers?
Benji should have died

Not my fault, I went AND took my grandpa.

>>211618351 (OP)
its basically slop. the scenes in the first half of the movie don't make any sense and it just feels like the characters are teleporting from place to place to fulfill some shitty narrative. nothing basically happens in the entire movie theres no development at all

>>211629629
>>211629670
>retarded 12 year old doesn't understand the difference between profit and gross
many such cases

>>211618351 (OP)
Tom Cruise is an awful actor. Cult-paid shills will disagree.

>>211618678
Me too. I liked it.

>>211630543
>>211630091

>>211618351 (OP)
Forgot her name but the new girl sucked ass, also Dead Reckoning just wasn't that good.

>>211618351 (OP)
it genuinely deserves this for killing off Fergusson and then giving us some cope discount with the other english chick that can't act for shit and for some reason Ethan immedaietely lvoes her
dogshit writing, they shot themselves in the foot just to spite Fergusson because she didn't like her character being sidelined

>>211618351 (OP)
>>211618394
>>211618654
>>211618678
>>211618814
>>211623351
>>211629629
>>211629670
According to Wikipedia, the movie had a budget of up to $400 million and has already crossed $500 million at the box office making it relatively profitable.
That being said, the three highest-grossing Mission: Impossible movies are:

Fallout (2018) – $791 million

Ghost Protocol (2011) – $694 million

Rogue Nation (2015) – $683 million

I have no idea why the budget is of this one is so high, considering the franchise is relatively modest — not a single movie has ever crossed the $1 billion mark.

>>211631837
probably just cruise bloating the budget with increasingly asinine stunts and everyone being too afraid to tell him he's being retarded

>>211630633
He is not awful per se. He just stopped trying at the turn of the millennium. He was good in Born on the Fourth of July (1989), Jerry Maguire (1996), and Magnolia (1999), where he actually tried and and took on emotionally demanding roles. The Last Samurai (2003) was a rare exception.

Nowadays, though, he’s mostly just playing himself, relying on big stunts and action spectacle rather than real acting range.

>>211631837
but not all $500m goes to the studio. the movie theaters are not doing this for free.

>>211631837
>a budget of up to $400 million and has already crossed $500 million at the box office making it relatively profitable

Theaters take 50% of the box office and marketing isn't included in the production budget.

Stop spouting shit if you don't know anything.

>>211631837
probably the last film he'll ever make so went all in on it

>>211631877
Probably

>>211631937
>>211631949
We don't know how big the marketing budget it is, but I assume Tom has big ego and assumes he's the marketing

>>211631987
50% of 500 million is 250 million

>>211618351 (OP)
Shouldn't have made it woke.

>>211618814
just give me 'the 1553 village idiot'

>>211632018
holy fuck you are so goddamn retardedin the us the split is 60/40 for the producers
other countries have different splits, china for example has a 25/75 split
so in total they didn't make 250 million as it's closer to like 100 million as the majority of the bo return are international

>>211632152
>other countries have different splits, china for example has a 25/75 split

Why is Uncle Sam so cucked by China?

>>211632174
communism kills

>>211618498
It did so bad they removed "part 1" from the title and renamed part 2 to "The Final Reckoning".

>>211618351 (OP)
your puzzles are in the other cupboard, silly grandpa

>>211618852
Imagine keeping up with this franchise after MI3. Take the hint, people.

>>211618852
there are only two scenes in remember from MI
guy getting crushed/impaled while riding an elevator and the underwater reactor dive

>>211632018
I think the movie will earn 700 million, making it profitable for the cinemas, but maybe not the studio. A modest success, that never should have had budget bigger than 150 million.
Why this movie cost same than Avatar 2, I have no idea

>>211618351 (OP)
They just got unlucky, is all. These movies but released in better windows that don't come up with stiff competition (DR was with Barbie/Oppenheimer and this one with two children's movies which always make money because 99 percent of people are deadbeat parents who think good parenting constitutes taking your spawn to the movie theater a lot) and the fact that the movies were poorly-developed to begin with. The AI villain was horrible, down to the name (The Entity, come the fuck on) and needed a massive creative overhaul.

Tom and McQ are losing their touch and they don't want to accept that.

>>211632306
that's like 5 movies apart

Ghost protocol rogue nation and fallout were the peak of the series

>>211618351 (OP)
Wasn't there the news when Part 1 came out that both movies had shared budget so Part 2 box office is pure profits?

>>211632398
If that is true, then Thomas is actually genius

>>211618439
maybe not totally one and done they could come up once in a while

>>211632387
>that's like 5 movies apart

>>211629467
he looked like an old lesbian in that obvious reshoot opening scene that seemed to be entirely superfluous anyway
what the fuck were they thinking

>>211618351 (OP)
then you fucking shouldnt have killed off Pom in the theatrical release, im not rewatching these shit movies. I would have gone to see the new one if I knew she was alive

>>211618351 (OP)
I did my part, I saw it and loved it. Only one bucket of popcorn though

>>211618351 (OP)
and if i could i would cause it all over again

>>211618351 (OP)
the best troll in the entire universe is the fact that god forces the boomers to get older one day at a time

>>211618351 (OP)
>first one flopped
>Wtf why is the direct sequel flopping??!!

>>211618351 (OP)
I was looking at the 500m box office today and thought that. Should make a little more.

>>211631837
They are over bloating the budgets because they are saying it would still be a loss even if it made 700m.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting#:~:text=A%20Warner%20Bros.,after%20grossing%20nearly%20%241%20billion.

>>211618351 (OP)
It's like 3 hours long or something. And literally the entire first hour or so is exposition. It's absolutely baffling some of the decisions they made in this movie. MI: Fallout should have been the template to copy. That movie if fucking fantastic. It sets up the threat quickly, dives right into the action, and throws increasingly greater stakes at Ethan and his crew. Final reckoning is muddled and bloated, and takes way too long to get going. Not surprised at all it flopped.

>>211618351 (OP)
The best MI movies are the ones without Simon Pegg

>>211618498
>how did the studio agree to distribute a guaranteed flop theatrically?
Because Tom usually hits. Hell, Top Gun Maverick (which released in between Dead and Final reckoning) was a huge hit. So studios likely thought Dead Reckoning was just an anomaly and let Tom do what he wanted. That gamble didn't pay off.

>>211632676
Hollywood accounting is a completely different thing. TL;DR: The more money a movie makes, the more it loses, because The Film LLC is up to its eyeballs in debt to other LLCs owned by the studio.

>>211632152
>holy fuck you are so goddamn retardedin
Ironic.

>the us the split is 60/40 for the producers
Yeah, nah. It depends on the contractual terms between exhibitor and distributor. And it usually works on a sliding scale, with one party getting a bigger percentage during the first few weekends while the other party gets a bigger cut later on.

>>211632862
They can say the movie costs anything to make. I bet the F1 movie with Brad won't make money, but it props up the racing industry.

>>211632806
>Tom usually hits

Since the 90s he's been very hit and miss.

>>211618351 (OP)
I don't care what anyone says the solo submarine scene is top2 action sequences ever. The flying was cool for sure but the sub was.. sublime.

>>211633008
Well, even if that is the case, when he does hit, it's huge. Again, Top Gun Maverick. My only point being is that there's no real suprise that studios let Tom have free run. It's often worth the gamble. Even this won't destroy him or anything. He'll still be able to essentially make any movie he wants next.

>>211618351 (OP)
With cruise, you lose

>>211632862
>>211632971
Why is Uncle Sam so gullible? He is exploited by both the local studios and China? The only people that Uncle Sam is badass against is the American middle class.

>>211632715
I love this weird and extremely specific criticism.
>yeah, man, this movie flopped (many people didn't watch because of x, y and z)
>how would people know about that? They just didn't see it
>... Stfu, it's because of these plot points and how this and that was done

>>211633132
Reviews exist bro. Word of mouth exists. People know. Hell, we're talking about it right now. Fucking retard.

>>211632715
>MI: Fallout should have been the template to copy. That movie is fucking fantastic.

eh. it's okay. honestly not that memorable.

>>211633153
Totally, dude. It's exactly because of the reasons that you described. Couldn't be anything else.
Kill yourself
lmao

>>211633227
It had no real competition (unlike dead reckoning), it released in the summer window, it has brand recognition. It should have been a hit. It's clear that people saw the run time and thought better of it, or saw the middling reception and stayed away. Streaming has something to do with it too. A lot of people will just wait, but mostly it was probably negative word of mouth. There's no external factors like barbenheimer to blame this time.

All of this is her fault for biting the hand that fed her and made her a star. What an ungrateful bitch.

americans have fully pivoted to waiting for streaming, offered to take some disabled family members and my nice and nephew, none of them wanted to go, just the millennial offering to take two generations 50 years apart, theaters are over, unless some insane is added to the experience
t. owner of an 83in LG OLED

>>211633328
Streaming has absolutely destroyed the traditional movie model. It's fascinating to me, because movie studios still haven't figured a way to combat this effectively. These days you're lucky if you see a handful of major hits through the entire year at cinema. It's the very few that profit now. Interesting times.

It did 450+ M at the box office. What the fuck do they expect if they spend 800M??

>>211618351 (OP)
Nobody wants to look at retarded Scientology midget.

>>211631837
>budget of up to $400 million and has already crossed $500 million
That is a MASSIVE fucking bomb are you demented or just new to marketing movie budgets??

>>211632174
communism kills corporate cucks

>>211631937
>Theaters take 50% of the box office
Stop spouting this retarded meme, not everywhere is China.

>>211633083
Nice statement. Some use parent company's to hide over pricing. I got hit with an import fee on a recent purchase and are at a loss on resale value.

>>211633386
I find it baffling how this current streaming model is superior to charging Netflix out the ass to stream after you've milked the theater for a year. I must be missing something because the USA removed the restrictions on studios owning theaters. And why hasnt anyone made a business plan on tv mini series or paying for back catalog to stream? Must be a lot I don't know here, but off the top, maybe these could help
>LLMs can be built to tailor to city/towns of the premier and include neat information thats related to the film, actors or sets
>complete remodels of both style movie seats where you can 100% reliably not worry about others phone usage

>>211633505
yeah this guy is a doofus, Hollywood gets 100% of their ticket sales and theaters recoup on concessions, only a few titles are profited by the theater

>>211630373
Dead Reckoning was boring and had a shitty, uncharismatic villain. Whole movie felt like Cruise just wanting to do some stunts. Don't know about Final Reckoning because I didn't see it.

>>211633505
~40% the rest of the world. 25% China. 55% US

https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/1iyc3l3/can_someone_explain_me_about_theaters_cut_and_how/

>>211633703
>reddit

>>211633703
Nothing in your link backs your assertion

>>211618351 (OP)
i did not even know this movie was a thing until I saw this thread

>>211632398
Pretty sure part 2 got a bunch of reshoots after part 1 underperformed.

I think I read somewhere they made a deal with the theaters for a higher cut 40-45%.

>>211633600
The villain was boring for sure. Mi:FR propped him up a little bit but I'm still baffled they left the AI shit for imagination. Why didn't they show the AI trying to kill Ethan with messed up GPS or do the basic "show his face on all TV screens with a bounty"? The GPS crack could've made a great action scene

the cruise is bruised

>>211634145
Or to myself: the AI could've messed up prison systems and release some high value enemies of Ethan. It would've been critisism towards trusting our machines or something.

>>211618351 (OP)
>lose 300$M
>Get Honorary Academy Award
what did hollywood mean by this?

>>211634228
Cruise unironically saved cinemas with Top Gun: Maverick

>>211635948
What an excellent documentary that was

>>211635985
Speaking of which, let's see your documentation

t. ICE officer

>>211618351 (OP)
What is Cruise picking such underwhelming movies? He could make literally any kino he wants.

Up next for Cruise:

Judy
A global comedy satire shot on greenscreen from the director of Birdman in which Cruise stars as the world's richest man trying to experience a redemptive arch by saving Earth from a cataclysm. Cruised finished filming his lead part. Release date: Summer or December 2026. Cruise is hopeful it leads to an Oscar nomination, but early buzz is so-so.
Budget: $100-150 million

Days of Thunder 2
Sequel with Cole back as Cole Trickle is being fast tracked possibly due to the buzz surrounding Pitt and Top Gun 2 director's F1. No director is attached. Script is being written. Christopher McQuarrie is involved possibly only as a consultant/producer. Jerry Bruckheimer returns as producer. Michael Rooker is as yet unconfirmed to return. Nicole Kidman is rumored to be back as love interest.
Budget: $200-250 million
Release: Summer 2027 tentative

Deeper
Cruise wades into James Cameron's watery realm for this supernatural thriller being compared to the Abyss meets The Conjuring, from director Doug Liman, his and Cruise's third collaboration after Edge of Tomorrow and American Made. Cruise stars as a disgraced pilot who agrees to a risky submersible plunge streamed live around the world, where he begins to question his sanity. Ana De Armas is strongly rumored for the love interest, but possibly as a ghost haunting Cruise's deep dive. Script by writer of Chronicle.
Budget: $250-300 million
Original studio has backed out over budget concerns following Final Reckoning's middling performance. Netflix rumored.
Release date: 2028

Broadsword
Delayed from summer 2025 shoot. Cruise vs Nazis, he plays a marine captain who becomes the sole survivor of a Special Operations Executive (SOE) operation in France after a crash and must complete his mission alone. This will be the ninth collaboration between Cruise and Christopher McQuarrie

>>211636288
there's too few good scripts being written to support proper movie stars.

>>211618351 (OP)

Time to put the Cruise Missle out to pasture.

>>211632146
lmao you fucked me up

>>211633513
Sure, but you're just a man, not a big company.

>>211636288
damn, Deeper sounds interesting. Looking forward to more deep sea kino

>>211636288
Top Gun 3
Script is either finished or full work shopped. "We got the idea right. I'm excited," Cruise said. Glen Powell and Miles Teller will return. Jennifer Connelly might not return although her character's daughter is rumored to figure in. Joseph Kosinski will possibly return to direct but is not confirmed and currently entertaining offers for major IPs from various studios. Speculation is that Christopher McQuarrie may direct, but given the middling performance of Final Reckoning this is uncertain. Jerry Bruckheimer is back as producer. "We nailed it, it will be just as good if not better than Maverick," Bruckheimer recently said. One unverified rumor is that the Navy will not directly figure into the threequel, instead focusing on a more intimate private mission where no rules apply.
Budget: $300-400 million
Release Date: 2028 earliest, 2029-2030

Untitled NASA Movie
Cruise remains determined to become the first actor to shoot a film in space. Director Doug Liman is confirmed and continues to conduct "top secret research and tests" with NASA experts in preparation of the shoot. Elon Musk is also said to be a consultant but that may have ceased. No other co-stars rumored. An alien subplot has been rumored online but is not confirmed, nor has Cruise implied such. This will be the fourth collaboration between Cruise and director Liman following Edge of Tomorrow, American Made, and the upcoming Deeper. Cruise's age is said not to be a factor to a production start. "We're doing it. It takes a lot to get this right," Cruise says. "Obviously it's never been done before, but I am honored to be the first." Cruise also clarified that they intend to shoot the majority of the film in space but merely a string of sequences.
Budget: As high as $500 million (although some reports have it at $250-300, and the US government is said to be supportive or silently backing the project)
Release Date: 2033

Misc.
Cruise and Tarantino "still want to do something."

>>211636315
cruise can hire the best for any idea?
>>211636366
a cruise horror? can't wait.

>>211636758
Would be curious if TG3 actually came out with everything going on now. And who the fuck cares if Jennifer Connelly or her daughter are in it kek? Just wastes of screentime in the previous movie. People want to see Jets flying fast, nobody cares about the characters and the intricate details of their personal dramas

>>211636758
>rumor is that the Navy will not directly figure into the threequel, instead focusing on a more intimate private mission where no rules apply.
lmao bin it

>>211636288
they are making days of thunder 2 because of new cameras and tech jsyk

>>211636288
>Nicole Kidman is rumored to be back

Zero chance Kidman goes near Cruise.

>>211618814
He really needs to cut his hair and grow a stubble. He has to accept that he's not 25.

>>211633386
I don't even watch any TV or movies anymore, I watch people play video games on Twitch. Other people probably just watch people doing non game things on TikTok and where else. I only came here to check whether people are still making generals of an old show (they aren't).

>>211618351 (OP)
never watched any MI.

>>211618351 (OP)
And he's still going right back to the remake slop trough with "Days of Thunder 2" for his next movie. Stop being lazy and choosing projects just to hang out with your geriatric boomer buddies, Tom. We want original movies and young edgy filmmakers, not more of your nostalgia rotted boomslop.

>>211633386
us not knowing how much movies make from being streamed is hiding some of the movie industry's profitability, however.

>>211633386
>bring back longer release windows
>make something people want to see NOW instead of 6-12 months from now

Pretty simple.

>>211618351 (OP)
These companies lose money constantly, they don't even care anymore.

>>211618351 (OP)
He's too fucking old to still be playing Ethan as an action hero. He's 5 years older than Jon Voight was in the first movie.

>>211633505
>>211633558
>>211633725
>>211633744
Fuck off, retards.

>In the first couple of weeks the film shows in the theatre, the theatre itself only gets to keep about 20% – 25% of the green.

>Now, as you move into the second and third weeks of release, the percentage starts to swing to anywhere from 45% – 55% that the theatre gets to keep.

>It gets better after the fourth week when theatres generally can keep up to 80% or better of the ticket sales.

http://themovieblog.com/2007/economics-of-the-movie-theater-where-the-money-goes-and-why-it-costs-us-so-much/

>>211636288
Re: Broadsword
I forgot to mention that this is being described by both Cruise and McQuarrie as a very R rated and gory action film, differentiating it from Cruise's earlier Nazi plotted film Valkyrie, which was directed by /tv/ persona non grata Bryan Singer who has left America for residence in a Middle Eastern country. Broadsword will be that rare R rated extravaganza for Cruise, in addition to Michael Mann's well regarded Collateral. McQuarrie and Cruise were previously considering a R rated remake of the Clint Eastwood middler The Gauntlet, but that's since been cancelled, the thinking seems to be they took their enthusiasm for an R rating, gunfire and gore to Broadsword instead.

Re: Top Gun and Days of Thunder sequels
One reason why Top Gun: Maverick Joseph Kosinki is a question mark for Top Gun 3 is that he is now researching a mega budget reboot of Miami Vice. No stars are yet attached, although there are unsubstantiated rumors of Top Gun: Maverick's Glenn Powell as a co-lead, others say Michael B. Jordan is in talks, there was also a rumor here that Tom Cruise might be in talks, but nothing to support it, would be kino. It's unlikely that Kosinki directs Days of Thunder 2 because he invested several years in finishing F1, which went over budget and schedule due to Covid and real world logistics with F1's calendar. Speculation is that Cruise has seen F1 and his competitive bug lead him to fast track it, as F1 is being favorably compared to "Top Gun: Maverick on the ground." Producer Jerry Bruckheimer is already in talks with Nascar about ideas and scheduling, Cruise might possibly compete in actual races, there is a unprecedented cross-promotional potential participants involved are exploring.

Misc.
Cruise has said that he and Michael B. Jordan "are going to work together," although no project is specified. Cruise came out as a vocal supporter of Sinners. He is also "said to be dating" Ana de Armas and lent an endorsement to her Ballerina.

>>211637682
>Cruise might possibly compete in actual races

LMAO

>>211618351 (OP)
Won't be even remotely that much and it may end up make money even if we have to factor in VOD etc

>>211618814
he is used to he is an adrenaline addict

This was dead the exact moment the title read Dead Reckoning PART 1. Nobody on planet earth wants to go to the theater to see half a movie. Nobody. Harry Potter started the trend because they had the actual hype to do it. It has never worked since.

>>211637682
how many jewood guys wanna suck ana tits ?

>>211636758
Re: Edge of Tomorrow 2 aka Live, Die, Repeat, Repeat
Although fandom and anticipation of a sequel has surged in the years following Edge of Tomorrow's decently performing theatrical release, and at least one successful draft of the sequel has been completed, although as many as four drafts or versions are rumored, the sequel is most likely never happening, as director Doug Liman and Cruise have instead decided to focus on Deeper and the Untitled NASA Movie. Edge of Tomorrow co-star Emily Blunt had expressed interest in returning several times over the years but has more stated that it's unlikely if not impossible. A sequel is said to involve the aliens from the first movie returning, possibly involving Cruise in numerous epic time jumps much farther into the past and future than the original.
Budget (rumored): $300 million
Release Date: cancelled, 2034 earliest given Cruise and Liman's schedules

>>211638000
I hate what these people have done to cinema

I like seeing million dollar failures because of makes my own failures seem like nothing

>>211636912
>>211637066
Interesting isn't it? One possibility for Top Gun 3 that would allow it to skirt geopolitical turmoil is that it could explore the A.I. and drone subplots that were originally said to be in an early draft of Top Gun: Maverick. There is also a rumor that producer Jerry Bruckheimer looked at his previous action hits like The Rock when helping to devise a sequel, meaning that the villains could be a rogue paramilitary group rather than a nation-state.
>who the fuck cares if Jennifer Connelly or her daughter are in it kek?
Again this is merely online rumor, but one theory is that the plot involves Jennifer Connelly's character's daughter being kidnapped by bad actors who force Maverick to lead a stealth daredevil mission, perhaps joined by Powell and Teller's pilots. While this might sound underwhelming or off-brand, no stops will be pulled on the sequel, so the possibility to think outside the box could avoid redundancy with the first sequel. There is little chance they will risk screwing this up as it stands to gross $1.5 billion or more.

>>211637189
>>211636288
Wrong. Nicole Kidman recently gave an interview where she expressed interest in reprising her Days of Thunder role, and it is indeed a substantiated casting rumor. The reunion of Cruise and Kidman on screen is also being viewed internally by the studio as a box office draw, particularly with women who grew up with the first movie and older audiences nostalgic for when Cruise and Kidman were a couple.

Zero chance you know what you're talking about.

>>211637393
mcq lowkey lurks here

>>211618351 (OP)
I like Tom Cruise but the movie was beyond stupid. It should have just been the Submarine and the biplane scenes without the exposition dump of the first one and half hours.

>>211638322
That's not even a Top Gun movie anymore. Just another Mission Impossible with spray paint veneer on it pretending to be something else

>>211638463
Uhhh if you're here Chris, help me get a screenwriting agent?

>>211638000
It's better that they don't do it at this point. Cruise is too old and Blunt bogged herself.

>>211637909
um, wicked part 1 was a smash

I lost interest when they unceremoniously killed off Ilsa Faust. Like fuck off.

>>211632806
>Tom usually hits
>The Mummy
You can bruise the Cruise.

>>211638558
link your work

>>211629629
1) budget overblown by covid. could be the most expensive film ever
2) theaters and distributors have to make a living. they take a good chunk of that pie. a rough estimate is: a movie has to double its budget in box office to break even.
3) that world BO is decent but still a downgrade from previous MI

>>211630421
No one else worthy enough to take up the mantle

>>211638416
>just keeps talking out of his ass

Cringe.

>>211633309
Huh?

>>211638752
One possible candidate is the star of Taylor Sheridan's upcoming actioner F.A.S.T. who previously co-starred in Sheridan's Yellowstone: 1923 as Harrison Ford's alpha son. F.A.S.T. is said to be a very hot project. Sheridan wants in on the action movie market now that he has conquered tv and streaming.

>>211618814
> nothing
i don't remember a single minute of any Marvel capeshit with the exception of iron man 3 and the first GotG. but i rewatched all McQuarrie MIs several times. some guys are losing money over it in 2025? so what. they made kino. kino is eternal.

>>211618795
Yeah, I loved it but making the last two films in a long running franchise a part 1 and 2 doesn't usually end well. And the fact that both had monstrous budgets compared to even the biggest box office returns of the franchise meant they were doomed.

>>211638767
https://www.sheknows.com/entertainment/articles/1234733239/tom-cruise-nicole-kidman-days-thunder/

>>211637909
Infinity War pt1. They dropped the pt1 part and that sort of backfired because loads of kids were upset thinking their favorite superheroes were dead for good and their parents had to assure them there would be a part 2

>>211638735
It's stupid, and their own fault. A movie shouldn't cost half a billion to make nor should it need to make a billion to profit. Then blame it on the fan base for not turning out hard enough if it loses money. Stop making endless sequels like they'll forever be profitable.
>NOOOO! Part 12 of our series isn't making a gajillion buckaroonies! You fans SUCK!

>>211638723
Email frankmarinville@gmail.com and I'll send full scripts

>>211618351 (OP)
>goofy look at the camera #68
I wish someone told me to start watching after the first major explosion 30 mins in. It's just one long reaction video to the last movie before that.

>>211638914
Yeah, actors never lie for PR purposes in public interviews. Got me there.

>>211638947
email, no good. legal. have a link at ready. always. mcq

>>211619522
The worst John Wick is better than the best Mission Impossible.

>>211639061
You want me to link a spec on an open forum? Doxxing myself and exposing the material seems more problematic than trading burner emails, but okay. I'm the best unknown writer in the world and no one gives a shit.

>>211625859

>>211629997
If you can't trust rhyming slogans what can you trust?

>>211618351 (OP)
I knew the movie was gonna flop when they marketed it with a biplane. Seeing a biplane be the big setpiece is not going to excite normies, no matter how crazy a stunt it may be. The bike stunt from the last movie was flashier and better marketing than this

1. Ghost Protocol
2. Fallout
3. Mission Impossible
4. Mission Impossible 3
5. Final Reckoning
6. Rogue Nation
7. Dead Reckoning
8. MI:2

>>211639381
well, this one is making more money than dead reckoning so there goes your theory

>>211639451
1. Fallout
2. Dead Reckoning (has grown on me lately)
3. Rogue Nation
5. Ghost Protocol
4. MI 1
6. Final Reckoning
8. MI 3
7. MI 2 (watched as a kid, never rewatched, prob would like it much more today but ill never know)

comfy night to you too, fren

>>211618351 (OP)

Turns out making a six hour movie in two parts three years apart isn't commercially viable. Who would have thunk it?

>>211618351 (OP)
Cant go to a cinema, I'd be kidnapped to die for jewlensky

They should do a sequel to days of thunder, i like that movie and top gun maverick was good

>>211639451
>>211639652
Everything after 3 kind of blurs together for me because I watched all of them in like a marathon. But I'm pretty sure Rogue Nation was my favorite one

>>211618351 (OP)
>Hollywood legend Tom Cruise will receive his first-ever Oscar as an honorary award at the 16th Governors Awards in November 2025.

>>211636320
what is the difference between a cruise missile and an AI drone anyway? they do the same thing.
>>211638266
>I CAN'T BLOCKBUST

>>211618351 (OP)
Its a bad movie. Could have cut out over an hour of exposition and flashbacks

>>211618351 (OP)
>you ungrateful caused this
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD MOOOORRRRRRNNNNNNNIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNGGGG SSSSSSSAAAARRRRRR

>>211639961
>not an Oscar of merit

KWAB

>>211639381
>>211639471
cruise doesn't care, but you're off in your assessment of normies' perception of the bi-plane. cruise correctly knows they'll subconsciously respond to the bi-plane as representing "old school" cinema. normies don't know who buster keaton is but they have a warm appreciation for keaton's stunts. cruise was tapping into that. good clean fun that isn't cgi.
i would say none of the normies understand how and why the bi-plane is relevant to the plot of the movie though. it's quickly explained on screen too quickly for normies that the entity can't hack an old school bi-plane. but in that way normies are no different from the normies who clapped and laughed watching buster keaton. this is why cruise is a genius.

the bi-plane isn't simply an old school stunt for dumb normies, the bi-plane is cruise giving a human middle finger to "smart" technology. cruise is a sheep dog guiding the sheep with a good heart, he is not a sheep in wolf's clothing. his good will and good cheer come along once every century. compare his bi-plane to nolan's plane scene if you can't understand the sigificance of what he has pulled off.

>>211633434
Niggas don't know about marketing/advertising costs.

>>211639652
Sorry anyone ranking Dead Reckoning second is lying. Or mentally ill.

I went to see it in the theater and I had a good time watching it

>>211618351 (OP)
I thought it was great. The entire series is kino. The underwater and the airplane scenes in final reckoning are amazing. I do think Hollywood needs to learn that most people don't want to go to cinemas anymore, box office is an outdated metric and spending infinity million on a single film is a bad idea.

>>211641412
Which obviously they overpaid for since they didn't work.

>>211618351 (OP)
EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT THE CIA IS NOT THERE TO SAVE THE PLANET, BUT TO GENERATE AND PROPAGATE MAYHEM.
BECAUSE THE CIA IS A MOSSAD TOOL.
THAT'S THE POINT, TOM.
THE POINT YOU'VE NEVER SEEM TO UNDERSTAND.

>>211618351 (OP)
Haven't seen part 2 but it's literally their own fault for writing such a shitty story and not even having good action in part 1.

>>211641458
i would have agreed a year ago. but some rewatches later made the annoying parts (over exposition, ilsa replacement, dragging in the beginning) less important, and the good parts more glowing. has the best set piece (train) of the series. the skynet set up doesn't fully delivers in the sequel, but is still great in DR. daytime rome, venice, you can watch it with no sound and still is having sex with your eyes. airport is a lot of fun. hailey is greater than what my 1st impression gave, pom is electric in every scene, kittridge is a great return, venezuelan godsend is a less boring villain than i thought at first. i could go on for a reddit post defending it, but i'll only add that hating DR is the actual reddit take

>>211639936

Ghost Protocol was great, but everything else just runs together like dripping paint.

>>211642019
This, too. Actual CIA agents don't give a shit about heroism, they're too busy running Epstein/Diddy blackmail operations and actively sabotaging the country while praying to Saul Alinski and the devil.

>>211619220
what are you drinking tonight OP?

>>211642274
How many times do I need to rewatch the movie?

>>211642718
kek. just 2. but be open minded. i have to say last rewatch was after listening to a very long McQuarrie interview (empire podcast) so prob there was some conditioning. you can skip the interview

>>211618351 (OP)
>Part II instead of MI9
What did they expect?

>>211633083
You don't pay more taxes with overtime. I work union construction and usually hit overtime, often hit double time.

I read recently that even the first movie makes 20 million a year in streaming. This is by no means a flop. Even of the budget was $400 million, it will gross 650 worldwide, makimg the direct loss closer to 1.5 million, not 300 million. Cruise won. He fucked Paramount up their ungrateful asses by getting to make 2 of the most expensive movies ever made and then dipping out to Warner.

>>211618351 (OP)
People are broke and the cinema is super expensive. With covid, they put the final nails in the coffin of the cinemas. I have a nice 65" LG with Dolby Vision and an Atmos surround sound system with ceiling speakers that I set up during the lockdowns.
There would need to be significant changes in society to bring me back into the cinema.

Heh heh...good.

>>211642019
oof.

>>211632306
>leaves out the Langley heist
RETARD

>>211618795
The real real reason is that movies are a crapshoot and they can succeed or fail without meaning

>>211642370
>>211642019
Dude goes rogue and against the government in every movie.
Hell, the CIA literally tries to kill him in Fallout.

>>211632289
Why not? They are the only good action movies of the 2010s.

>>211618351 (OP)
Audiences feel lost if the MC isn't dressed like a clown and spouting hecking wholesome ironic quips.
Even /tv/ is full of capeshitters

>>211618351 (OP)
Mission Impossible has never been a series I give a shit about sorry, haven't seen a movie since the second one I think. Feels like india-slop.

>>211643668
>americans b like "i'm broke" yet earn 200k per year and spend it all on pointless shit crying about how everything is expensive

>>211649030
But I bet you watched superhero crap

>>211633132
You came to /tv/ to spaz like a fag about someone giving constructive criticism on plot points? With a reddit lead-in no less?

>>211649104
I liked the Guardians of the galaxy movies, but the rest have been really pointless.
Haven't liked a Bond movie since Goldeneye either btw.

t. 35yo boomer

>>211649176
>I liked the official Reddit movie

>>211649225
Why do you care so much about Reddit, my swarthy friend? I've never been there, but it seems to occupy your mind. What's it all about?

>>211649275
>capeshitter instantly gets offended by being called a Redditor
Like clockwork

>>211649444
I just don't understand why you obsess about that site, isn't it just a quora doppelganger, except there's less indians?
I still don't really care about MI movies btw, they've always been soulless. Kind of like Fast and Furious, I sadly watched the second one while being bored and stranded in a college friend's room and haven't seen one since. this was before you was born, mind you.

>>211618351 (OP)
We had to kill Luther to make it seem like a realistic movie.
What did they mean by this?

>>211649617
You need to go back, newfag.

>>211649813
>an opinion I don't agree with? get out of my safe space REEEE
ok ranjeet

>>211625523
Kek

C'mon guys you know it's all Minecraft sequels and derivative chicken jockey zoomerslop from now on

>>211618351 (OP)
>you ungrateful caused this
I fucking knew the Tom Cruise worship on this board was from Indians. The Mummy shilling made it painfully obvious.

>>211618351 (OP)
I didnt watch it because I thought /tv/ would go to see it behalf of me.

>>211632289
Why are you here?

>>211640333

Cruise missile is one use weapon.

A drone is a weapon platform that can be reloaded and reused; not the cheap suicide drones, that is.

>>211630421
I dont think people want to watch Tom Holland run around being an action star. I can't think of any young stars that I would pay money to go see being action heroes. Renner had a decent run but no one cared enough. Can you name a single zoomer actor you would watch take up the mantle?

>>211643300
>You...
>Because I....
condensed retardposting

>>211618814
Does this number include his cosmetic surgeries?

>>211618351 (OP)
I just can't do 3 hour movies anymore at least not casually, like if its star wars 12 OK but I just need my toilet pause and my snack pause and if I want to exercise while watching its okay. I start getting hesitant at 2hr20.

>>211637548
wow, so when I intentionally wait until the last week of a theater run so I can have a less crowded room I'm actually helping out theaters?

>>211637227
Cruise needs to stop dying his hair. It looks bad and is almost insulting

art cant be measured in how much it makes at box office

MI is literal slop at this point

the whole IP went on way too long

I just watched it tonight.
>Here is a montage of stuff Ethan did in other films.
>Here is something summarising the retarded AI plot.
>Oh and here is three over scenes doing the same thing!
The scene with the President and the committee was a good scene to summarise his past adventures rather than doing it multiple times.
>Here Ethan is on a boat and now has to go to a sub.
He could have gone straight to the sub, cut the boat and nothing would have changed. You could feasibly cut an hour out of the movie and have made it far better. So much fucking exposition and your big finale is a biplane fight? The AI plot was retarded, we all know it, so you decide to focus on it and talk about it constantly whilst downplaying the fucking action in your action movie.

>>211643653
They used to make more with DVD sales and rereleases on new formats or anniversaries.

>>211633083
irs hq is wild

>>211619239
>Plus the plots were all about rogue agents and nukes
Every single movie pretty much has rogue agents or Ethan going rogue. The IMF (and other intelligent operatives) are all evil or cause the plots.

>At least 7-8 had the AI story which is a bit novel for the series.
I feel like you missed the point. The old plots were contrived as fuck but so much in the background as compared to the action or tension. These films were never about the plots. Making the contrived AI plot so much in the foreground and constantly talking about it somehow managed to make things worse than having a contrived rogue bad guy wants to do x plot in the background.

>>211637227
A large part of Cruise's brand post-MI is you buying into the fact he's like 10-20 years younger than he really is.
You probably wouldn't give Ethan more than 23 in that first movie despite Cruise himself being nearly 40 - same with the later movies where he looks 40 but is 60.
Frankly I'm shocked one of the newest movies had a file actually confirming Hunt was born in the 60s.

>The rabbits foot was actually the AI too
>Oh and this guy who hates you is the son of the bad guy from the first film.
>Oh and here is another guy from the first film.

Sometimes you realise how dumb the average person is. When this guy appeared in this latest film I instantly recognised him and the film instantly mentioned who he was but for some reason like 15 people in the screening I was in only noticed who he was like 20-30 minutes later when he was on the plane with Ethan. I know they only just noticed because a load of people started talking like ohhhh it is him.

>>211642401
White claws

Im gonna go watch it tonight. I bought two tickets online and Ill just tell Robert that my date is running late

>>211659048
>white claws
Faggot status confirmed

So is it good or not?

>>211639652
>>211639451
Reddit

>>211638919
>loads of kids were upset thinking their favorite superheroes were dead for good
I wish they had killed them, in that or any other Marvel capeshit. In the comics people die all the time even though they come back later

>>211659236
It is boring

>>211642274
I too enjoyed DR despite it's many obvious flaws. The action is top-notch and that's the only thing I watch MI movies for.

>>211643668
is it really that expensive in America? I have a 18 euro monthly pass, it seems cheap to me.

>>211649617
>bragging about avoiding FF movies to anons on tv

kek

Where's the AI thumbnails of Tom Cruise screaming and Sonic looking worried about Paramount stock crashing

>>211618351 (OP)
good