What went so wrong?

>>211656130 (OP)
It told nothing new. Zombies and the stories popular in the 2000s had been exhausted by that point.

>>211656182
It has no redeeming qualities

I remember getting really angry over this movie when I saw it in theaters.
>black zombie starts an uprising
>even knows how to use weapons
>starts to instruct others how to follow along
>many people die
>eventually our lead characters find them at an impasse and have the ability to obliterate them
>main character cucks out and says ‘They're just looking for a place to go’
>shares a knowing acknowledgement with the black zombie janitor
>”uhhh yeah they’re gonna find a place to kill more people you dumb faggot”
>inb4 Romero was making a comment on refugees blah blah blah

I didn't think the IQ of the average tv user could hit rock bottom but here we are.

>>211657548
So it’s good?

It's an early example of letting current-thing politics poison your creative faculties.
Before TDS we had BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome).

The gore effects were great though!

Smart zombies

>>211656360
Romero is a communist retard. Also the retard really.dragged.the movie down (not leguizamo the other one)

>>211656130 (OP)
Intelligent zombies are terrible. The only one that's done it right is Return of the Living Dead

>>211656130 (OP)

It was far beyond its time. Proper dystopian utopia

>>211656360
>mad at this zombie because it's black
>not mad at Bub doing exactly the same because he's white
hmmmm

>>211656130 (OP)
dude Bu$h lmao

I don’t like john leguizamo.

Romero was always a shitty hack but people aren't ready for that conversation.

>>211656130 (OP)
>we don't negotiate with terrorists

hold on why was this guy the bad guy again he seem pretty based

>>211656130 (OP)
Nothing. It had one of the best deaths in cinema history.

>>211656130 (OP)
>zombies eventually relearn enough to be smart boys again

Romero going that way starting with Day was already gonna suck. It was better and made more sense when their decayed brains just retained superficial habits of their past selves

>>211661679

Romero invented zombies, don't be so stupid.

>>211662166
And it shows in his zombie concept. It is not very well thought out. It is a relic of its time.

>>211662238

The motor neurons in his zombies are decaying, which makes the shuffling motion look genius.

>>211662166
Ripped off from The Last Man on Earth.

>>211656360
They were just looking for a place to go, anon.

>>211662663

Wrong. That was a vampire book and movie.

>>211656130 (OP)
nothing, it's KINO

>>211662238
No. His zombies are great. There doesn't need to be one singular best zombie, autistic retard.

As much as I think Dennis Hopper was the best and probably only good part of this movie, lack of no name local Pittsburgh actors. That was the secret ingredient to Romero's (best) movies.

>the real monster is...le US!
thanks george very cool

>>211656360
I agree with some of what you say but I like the movie because it follows the logical apocalyptic sequence of events that would occur within the context of Romero's zombie movies.
>Night: the early stages of the outbreak
>Dawn: civilization is in chaos and starting to fall
>Day: civilization has fallen, the pockets of humanity that survived the chaos are doing the best they can to survive, arguably only delaying the inevitable
>Land: the pockets of humanity start to fall to the overwhelming zombie horde
I'm not saying Land is a good zombie movie or one of the best installments in Romeros zombie movie series (I like Day the most). I wouldn't say any of Romeros other zombie movies are "great" movies either. It's the story overall story arc that I really like and Romero told the best zombie story arc. Land plays it's part in telling that story arch.

>>211664380
Agreed, and given that Day should the zombies becoming more intelligent it was logical to progress that

>>211664380
>Land: the pockets of humanity start to fall to the overwhelming zombie horde
But it's more the zombies start to develop further intelligence, make their own society, and use their new-found smarts to destroy surviving humans

The human stuff in this movie is all good. Fiddler’s Green, Dead Reckoning, prime Asia Argento. All the zombie stuff sucks.

>>211664485
Logical progression. Even in Night the zombies showed occasion problem solving skills, like the graveyard zombie getting a rock to smash his way into the car. Bub in Day obviously took things much further.

>>211664580
I'm just saying, humanity isn't falling because they're overwhelming. They're falling because the zombies are at problem solving level intelligence now, making their own groups with leaders, and now able to overcome defense that had worked fine for many years prior.

>>211658259
Whenever I heard the original Dawn Of The Dead lauded as a consumerist satire I always tend to wonder if it was intentional or not? I always get this feeling like Romero just brandished the claim to make the movie seem starter than it was when all he set out to do was just make a zombie movie in a shopping center.

>>211661460
ackshually Dennis Hopper in BTS material said he was playing Rumsfeld

>>211664485
Remember in Dawn once Flyboy became a zombie he remembered the secret wall behind which the people were hiding out?
>>211664674
I get what you're saying but all the zombie really did in Land was figure out they don't drown when underwater so they just walk across the river bordering the three sides of Fiddlers Green. It's not like they built siege engines.

George Romero was upset that Paul W.S. Anderson and Russell Mulcahy had surpassed his hokey "porno without any porn" filmmaking, so he wanted to prove he understood zombies and nobody else did.

>>211664813
Tbh i have no idea, i just know none of his movies are very good. Lotd makes it pretty clear i suppose

>>211662166
I thought that was haitians

>>211662775
What they're called is irrelevant. They're living dead that look and act almost exactly like the zombies from Night.

>>211656130 (OP)
Is this the one where the retard at the end is like "uhhh the zombies want a home, too"? lmao

>>211656130 (OP)
You guys are nuts. This was literally the best Romero zombie movie.

>>211656360
...that being said I was a teenager when I saw it and mostly won over by Asia Argento and wasn't media literate or redpilled enough to see through this shit

>>211666317
You do understand that not everything has to be best or worst right? This was a meh movie, 5/10 and less than his others. Not best, not worst.

>>211664813
Night of the Living Dead was not meant to be political and he said he cast a black man as the lead because he was the best man he could find for the role, but later people said it was politically charged (black man slapping a white woman, black man being carried out by authorities after being shot).

With Dawn of the Dead it has to be intentional though because of the way some shots linger or move from zombies to manequins and plenty of the little plot points and ideas.

>>211661679
This. His dialog is god-awful in not only his Dead series but every other movie he has done.

>>211665350
Serious question. Why do fans pretend that Day of the Dead is a better film than Resident Evil: Extinction? Extinction (by the Highlander guy) is a straight up ripoff, but everything about it is better. The acting is better. The dialogue is so much better. I don't quite get Romero's fanbase. Especially when they talk about how he should have directed Resident Evil. His movies have some of the worst acting of any mainstream film. The scripts are so on the nose and have nothing really interesting to say. It feels like there's this blind cult of personality around the man. Hey, I get it. Romero was important. But that doesn't make his work good. On the flipside Romero fans constantly shit-talk the Resident Evil movies and pretend that they have worse acting and dialogue than Romero's stuff, and I don't get WHY they're so committed to that cope.

>>211667774
No Resident Evil movie is good. They're all junk food tier trash. You consoom it, then shit it out with no further thought about it.

>>211667992
How does that differ from Romero's films?

>>211656130 (OP)
the characters are paper-thin even by romero standards and it rushes through the plot at a comic-book pace. it introduces too many characters who don't serve any purpose. it was a studio film and the whole style of it is very safe and conventionally cinematic in a way that feels uncharacteristic of the series. riley is like a stock hero rather than an actual character. he could've been dropped in from some shooter videogame of the time. the plot revolving around paper money is unnecessarily on-the-nose satire and it only makes things more confusing.

>>211667774
Resident Evil: Extinction starts off good in terms of setting the scene for "ragtag group of zombie apocalypse survivors" and the guys in the Umbrella bunkers detailing their near depleted resources but quickly descends in generic action slop (when they go to Vegas to get fuel). I'd argue Resident Evil: Afterlife is better comparison to Day of the Dead.

>>211666384
What does that have to do with it. It WAS his best.

>>211664813
The only "reason" Dawn of the Dead was set in that shopping mall is because Romero's friend was the manager and so he probably got a very good deal (and thus made the movie for basically peanuts) by shooting overnights in mainly the one location.

>>211667774
I feel the same way when I've posted how I prefer the Tom Savini and Zack Snyder remakes of Night and Dawn over the originals; niggas come out of the woodwork to talk shit and defend the original films as if they're incredible films.

>>211661963
that is a very sharp cleaver
>>211664485
I see what youre saying. These are zombie movies and the zombies are supposed to be the end, brought on by God. I guess its weird to thing zombies will make their own society beyond it but yeah thats what Romero went with

>>211665350
this guy turns up later with just a few scratches. never made sense

>>211658191
>almost every piece of media made from 2016-2028 has horribly aged TDS lines

>>211663023
I agree his zombies are great. Old does not mean bad. But it's unrefined. Today any bozos or half competent army could demolish slow zombies. They are not that scary. Does that make them bad? No. Nosferatu is a good vampire movie but still old and primitive. You expect that when ideas are new like that.

>>211662663
Is that why Romero's zombies spread the contagion through bites? Because that's never, ever been a thing with traditional zombies but it makes a lot of sense if they were copied from Matheson's vampires.

>>211670985
i prefer the black summer/z-nation zombies that start off as fast/strong as they were in life (if not stronger and faster now that they have no fatigue or fear of injury), but later rot and degrade into slow and weak zombies. keeps things interesting when like 5-10% of every group of zombies can break into a sprint

>>211671044
>Romero's zombies
>spread the contagion
>through bites
How can one short post get so much wrong?

>zombieslop
grow up

>>211670303
That Savani remake is great.
>>211668939
Extinction does copy a few scenes directly from Day, such as the experiments in zombie intelligence.

>>211671661
Shut up

>>211666173

I don't recall the zombies from NOTLD being allergic to garlic like they were in TLMOE.

>>211656360
>>They're just looking for a place to go
Even more retarded when you remember that they had just massacred a group of civilians 10 minutes ago and that they didn’t need to go to the settlement in the first place

>>211670543
I think you're confusing him with another character.

>>211656130 (OP)
The big thing is it's just kind of a dumb movie. The whole premise is ridiculous, and the class critique it attempts falls flat. That wealth is this valuable in a post apocalyptic society is absurd, and things like John Leguizamo's character trying to pull off a heist to steal $5 million doesn't even make any sense, because where the is he going to go? They mention there being an outpost they haven't heard from recently at one point in the film, but that's it. There's no guarantee that any other community they find will even use paper currency. Dawn has a similarly unsubtle critique of consumerism, and that none of this shit really matters, that actually makes sense in the context of the film.
It's also the least "Romero" Romero movie I have ever seen. Whole thing just looks and feels odd if you have seen any of his other stuff.
I did kind of like the retarded guy who was a master marksman, and the big death truck they had was pretty cool I guess
>>211664813
Of course it was intentional. Romero isn't a subtle writer, see Land and Diary.
>>211665261
Both Dawn and Day suggested zombies could remember parts of their lives from when they were living, with Dawn suggesting that the zombies fall back into the routines that had when living.
>Night of the Living Dead was not meant to be political and he said he cast a black man as the lead because he was the best man he could find for the role
This is true, but a lot of the dialogue in Night was improvised or rewritten by the actors. Most of Ben's character came from Duane Jones. Romero had originally written him as a more uneducated blue collar type of guy. The ending was also something Jones pushed for
>I convinced George that the Black community would rather see me dead than saved, after all that had gone on, in a corny and symbolically confusing way. The heroes never die in American movies. The jolt of that, and the double jolt of the hero being Black seemed like a double-barreled whammy.

>>211670303
I like the original Night more because it feels like a stage play, but the Savini remake is excellent. I really actively dislike the remake of Dawn but I appear to be in the minority there.

>>211661679
>Hack

Hack does not mean "bad filmmaker", hack means "creates films to the standards of a producer for the express purpose of money," hence the term "studio hack." Romero was ANYTHING but.