What's the point of her jumping off the cliff

>>211705436 (OP)
Better than the alternative

>>211705436 (OP)
Cut romance subplot between her and Uncas.

>kill yourself or become a rape slave for a group of violent savages
gee, I don't know, Anon...

>>211705572
>>211705474
I know why she did it.I just don't know why the filmmakers put that in there

>>211705628
Why wouldn't they

She wasn't into gang bang

>>211705628
explain why they shouldn't

>>211705663
>>211705765
It seems like misery porn, they just as easily could have had her consider her and get rescued. Not sure what greater purpose it played

>>211705857
Are you retarded or just zoomie?

>>211705911
>If its grim and depressing it's... LE DEEP AND COMPLEX
Not an argument.

>>211705857
>It seems like misery porn, they just as easily could have had her consider her and get rescued. Not sure what greater purpose it played

She doesn't know she's about to get saved. She'd rather die with the cute Indian boy than be raped by the savages.

>>211706030
Once again, this doesnt explain shit

>>211705572
>>kill yourself or become a rape slave for a group of violent savages
Makes zero sense in the story of the movie and the scene itself. Hawkeye and Chingachgook were right there. Uncas just caught up to them but died. There is a clear rescue attempt of her. What the fuck are you doing killing yourself when one of the people trying to rescue you just died? This isn't the first time she was captured. Why not jump at the waterfall back then after the attack on the convoy? Because Hawkeye said he'd find you? How is it different now?
It is a remnant of the cut romance between her and Uncas. I don't think it's a problem with a scene, just a bit eyebrow-raising. Magua should've killed her, but I guess they couldn't reshoot it by the point where the Uncas and Alice plotline was scrapped.

>>211706106
>Once again, this doesnt explain shit
Ah. You're either trolling or just zoomer retarded. Either way...

>>211706168
>Guy who keeps spamming zoomer thinks he's not the retard.
Anon, I...

>>211706289
You are either a Retard or troll. Why she did it is really not that complicated

consider it a woman moment and move on

>>211706289
I called you zoomie first because you're clearly one, and a faggot too if you can't get why movies show things that aren't all puppies and gay hugs

>>211706379
I explicitly asked what the point was, meaning what it added to the story, not why she did it. I said "what's the point," not "why did she do it." you illiterate moron.

>>211706118
>This isn't the first time she was captured
Maybe the implication is that she knows what is coming and don't want to relive that? Only watched this once as a kid and never again so I don't remember shit. Is it good? If yes I may rewatch soon

Were native Americans really rapey? I never learned about that in school. It was mostly just about how mean Europeans were to them

>>211706675
it's kino

>>211706675
>Maybe the implication is that she knows what is coming and don't want to relive that?
Nothing happened, they just dragged her and Cora in the ropes to the tribe to plead with the chief.
>Is it good?
Yeah?

>>211706507
Its the laziest, smoothbrained response to my post and doesn't explain what it added to the story besides "muh realism" this is just the "its deep because its dark" argument

>Young woman starts romance and falls in love
>Is handed off as slave to evil tribe of savages
>Watches guy who helped her be lit on fire etc
>Dragged away
>Guy she just fell in love with during romantic crazy adventure is horribly killed in front of her
>Thinks everyone else is probably dead, doesn't want to live without or with horrible savages being raped for rest of life

Are you all this stupid on purpose or

>>211706969
Also, I mean, what's the point of any story. What's the point of anything. No depth. No awareness.

>>211706969
Deep, you are very intelligent

>>211706913
Your question was stupid to begin with, either you're trolling for some attention or you're actually autistic, it's like asking why there's violence in a battle scene.

>>211707156
>OP asked a reasonable question about the storytelling purpose behind a grim scene in Last of the Mohicans. Rather than engage with that question, many replies deflect it using ad hominems, straw man misrepresentations, mockery, or irrelevant historical debates.

>>211706767
some american indians were neutral, some were neutral until pissed off, some were outright friendly and pacifistic, and many others were warlike to the point of inhuman, demonic savagery. when the first real vestiges of european civilization arrived and started laying roots they were witnesses to the kind of absurd depravity and wanton violence treeniggers can really stoop to and a lot of tribes that bordered each other were already in constant generational warfare for land, hunting rights, just because they didn't like each other, etc

don't believe all the noble savage bullshit. on average i'd say chances are good they were just as dumb, backwards, superstitious, and prone to irrational and destructive behavior as any other abo or jungle goblin or desert roaming full-blood groid with a spear and a necklace of his enemy's ears

>>211705436 (OP)
she was way better looking than the main girl lead

>>211707183
It was explained to him clearly several times, past a certain point it is obvious that you're talking to a troll or someone with cognitive problems

>>211706969
>>Young woman starts romance and falls in love
>>Guy she just fell in love with during romantic crazy adventure is horribly killed in front of her
None of this is in the movie. No matter what cut. It clearly existed and was planned and the scene of her suicide is the last vestige of it but the cause doesn't exist.
Go find one scene of Uncas and Alice speaking to each other in anyway that would imply romantic feelings or speaking at all for that matter. I think they hug at the waterfall parting? That's it, I believe.

>>211706767
Depends on the tribe and region of the continent.
Comanche were infamous for being bloodthirsty monsters. Inuits up north were super passive.

>>211707338
This is woman-tier logic. You niggers didn't explain shit.

>>211707415
learn to read mong

>>211707415
Lick my ass

>>211705436 (OP)
death before dishonor

>>211707415
i'm this anon
>>211707218
>>211706424
so you know i'm validated

i get where you're coming from with this thread, you feel a sense of loss or frustration that a character made a stupid move - which, since none of it's real - means to you that the production team made a stupid move. but what you're digging at here is really just a matter of life and fiction, they had a different idea than you did of how to take the character.

does anything in her personality really imply she'd throw herself off a cliff? not really, but she's sort of a non-character to begin with. is it perhaps reasonable to assume she was in shock and did it mindlessly to escape? maybe. is it also a possibility she suddenly and inexplicably steeled herself in an impossible situation, and, rather than please someone she sees as an enemy, she dies just to steal that pleasure from him? also possible

but what you're asking fundamentally is, "why did the creators of this fiction decide to do the fiction this way" and there's no good answer to that unless you want to dig through ancient interviews and tabloids and press articles and all that shit.

i can tell you that, logically, though, the movie was heading towards this ultimate outcome always. it's called "the last of the mohicans" - it's a war movie, a romance movie, a movie with revenge and grief and irrational decisions made out of fear and confusion. it's DOUR and it's meant to depict the quiet but epic story of a handful of people who cross paths in unlikely intersections in a very tumultuous time in america's history and those are all the ingredients for a bittersweet ending at best

>>211707440
Why not have her get rescued at the last second? What does having her commit suicide add to the overall film? I feel it's just cheap shock value.

>>211707799
BASED dubdubs of truth and mediation

>>211707799
THANK YOU I may or may not agree with their choice but at least its an actual explanation

>>211707822
>there's a poetic but deeply sad beauty in her diving after the man who gave his life to protect her
>there's metaphors for the american spirit in her unwillingness to bow to the savagery of the indians and to choose her own way, finding freedom from bondage in death
>there's a cyclical, metaphorical payoff that magua's children were killed and now he's taken one of the "yengeese's" children even if indirectly
>it's a story telling element to introduce drama and provoke those same feelings you are experiencing by watching a beautiful girl die - her indian savior chose to fight and was a man, and died in combat - but she was an innocent and unwilling (and almost entirely unwitting) victim of a battle of cultures and peoples that's been going on before she was even born

etc

>>211707799
Based

>>211706767
Everyone is rapey, especially during conflicts. It's just glossed over and never mentioned

>>211705436 (OP)
Rather jump off a cliff and die a horrible death then be Magua‘s Queen

>>211705436 (OP)
she a CUTE

>>211707912
i don't even necessarily agree with it either, but when that happens i remind myself it's not necessarily the content itself i need to examine but how well the content was executed and the story telling elements it does well and then try to work backwards from there to understand the themes and the metaphorical value

captcha: SWAGXD

>>211705436 (OP)
Excuse to play main theme again

>>211705857
>It seems like misery porn, they just as easily could have had her consider her and get rescued. Not sure what greater purpose it played
The point is that the movie is about suffering and survival, or non-survival.
The colonists are asked to fight in the war for the British colonial powers, while Indian raiding parties on behalf of the French, are attacking their farms, and killing their families.
The English soldiers and officers, get brutally killed tortured and murdered, as do many of the British colonial soldiers.
The “Evil” Indian “Mohawk”?, leading one of the Indian raiding parties is doing the raiding and murders because his family was allegedly killed by Hawkeye’s native adoptive father.
Basically, the whole film is about becoming native, and surviving, and protecting your own when you can.

>>211708751
LFGGGGGGGGGGGG

>>211706767
indians were psychopathic savages who delighted in torture and cruelty

>>211705628
>don't know why the filmmakers put that in there
Because it's what happens in the book.

Zoomers seem highly literal to an almost autistic degree so maybe it isn't surprising they have difficulty tolerating the ambiguities and irrationalities inherent to tragedy and romance genre storytelling. Is Romeo & Juliet still taught in schools?

>>211708249
Why did Magua chimp out when the sachem ruled one sister had to live? Her could have just killed her himself, no?

>>211706767
Read their folktales, anon. They're extremely rapey and there's a lot of incest. A LOT.

>>211709289
Zoomers are use to shit being spoon fed to them.

>>211706675
>>211706844
The first time she was "just" a prisoner. The second time Magua had made clear he intended to take her as a rape slave.

>>211705436 (OP)
>cora is far behind the men yet close enough to see her sister die and wail like a bitch
>the men apparently are miles behind the hurons because they are running at full sprint and don't catch up to Uncas in time
This scene is nonsensical poetry

>>211709181
It doesn't. The chase to the mountain and everything does happen, but it's Cora who is killed, and she doesn't throw herself off the cliff.
Honestly, the movie is a very loose adaptation.

>>211705436 (OP)
>Zoomer doesn't even know this is a book adaptation
>A one they fucked up big time
Congrats, you are officially illiterate

>>211709289
The instant gratification of streaming and 30 second TikTok shorts destroyed their attention spans, anon. We should pity them; they never really had a chance.

>>211709508
>the men apparently are miles behind the hurons because they are running at full sprint and don't catch up to Uncas in time
What are you talking about?
Chingachgook literally sees Uncas being killed and reacts accordingly, with Hawkeye running right after him. They are not miles behind.
Not that I don't agree that without the romance subplot, Alice's suicide is nonsense that you just have to interpret as you wish.

>>211709289
>>211709474
>>211709730
>Millenials are so broken and jaded that the idea of a casual discussion mindbreaks them
Are you guys ok?

I'm a huge Michael Mann fan but I've never seen this movie. how is it?

>>211710176
If you are a "fan" then you must know that everything he made in 90s is gold.
Also, he made, like, less than 15 movies, I believe. What's your excuse, fan? He isn't John Ford.

>>211710148
I'm actually grateful to OP because it gave several anons a chance to talk about this masterpiece and patiently explain to him the nuances he's incapable of seeing because an "Ending of The Last of the Mohicans Explained!!!" video hasn't found him on tiktok yet

The soundtrack did not need to go this hard

https://youtu.be/9tjdswqGGVg?si=AinRJ-Y5Bsa8eDmk

>>211709289
>Zoomers seem highly literal to an almost autistic degree so maybe it isn't surprising they have difficulty tolerating the ambiguities and irrationalities inherent to tragedy and romance genre storytelling.
True. It honestly explains why there's so many threads calling Tolkien a hack, or just endlessly nickpicking the world and the story to death. They're so fucking annoying and stupid.

>>211709402
Looks like an American Spirits pack.

>>211710148
I'm a millennial-chad and can't stop drinking. It's fine, fuck her, fuck people, fuck drugs. "We" are not okay, if I am anything to go by.

>>211710752
>The most cucked generation in history has to get its power fix from film takes.

>>211705474
>Better than the alternative
tell that to Khaleesi

>>211709402
>Erdoes was born in Frankfurt,[1] to Maria Josefa Schrom on July 7, 1912. His father, Richárd Erdős Sr., was a Jewish Hungarian opera singer who had died a few weeks earlier in Budapest on June 9, 1912.[2] After his birth, his mother lived with her sister, the Viennese actress Leopoldine ("Poldi") Sangora,[3] He described himself as "equal parts Austrian, Hungarian and German, as well as equal parts Catholic, Protestant and Jew..."[4]

I wonder why a settler colonist would portray the indigenous as backwards and evil

Surely there is not ulterior motive