>this was considered comically bad in the 90s
we've fallen so far, bros

Sharon Stone and Leonardo DiCaprio have zero talent but this movie was kino

no one ever said this movie was bad da fuq you on about?

>>211712675 (OP)
because the same year this movie was released, sharon stone won two golden raspberries awards

>>211712675 (OP)
Normies didn’t accept Raimi as a serious filmmaker until Spiderman.

>>211712983
Woah, spiderman director did this one?

>>211712675 (OP)
More like, " the quick in the bed" 2 pumps and a wiggle. Am i right lads?

watch the extended euro version

>>211712675 (OP)
"Wriggle like a fish"

Based

All those big names elevated it to a watchable level

>>211712675 (OP)
worst female lead ever only made watchable by some of the best god damn western sleeze kino

>russell crowe listening to the clicks like TUCO from GBU

>>211712675 (OP)
Eventually media will become so bad that Bollywood movies getting glazed right now on imdb by brain dead subhuman jeets will be seen as revered cultural touchstones.

>>211717324
Nah by that point people will be so stupid we will do like we are currently doing in the music industry and just recycle old music in new combinations.

zoomers are so piss retarded they can't tell the difference. see any top 100 list of the last 8 years.

>>211712983
A Simple Plan is unironically one of the best films of all time

>>211712841
attractive people don't need talent

A friend of mine was an extra in this movie. He was one of the kids who kick Russel Crowe while he's down. He told me that he got to sit in Sharon Stone's lap, and he deeply regrets that he was still at the age where cooties were a thing, cause he hated her calling him cute. I didn't believe him until his mother confirmed it.

>>211712841
Sharon Stone didn't need talent for this, she had leather pants. LEATHER PANTS.

It was network TV kino. Like the frightened or wolf.

>>211718917
every waiter/waitress in LA has the same tier of looks

>>211719309
In that heat, she would have been all sweaty.

>>211712675 (OP)
lol, it WAS bad. It's a terrible excuse for a Western. There's actually a quite good Louis L'Amour one with Sam Elliot with the same title. Ten times better.

Raimi had no business doing a movie like that. And Hackman tarnished his rep a little by appearing in it.

>>211716827
You mean *whoa? Fucking ignorant zoomer.

>>211719319
It really had nothing to do with network television. It was shown on cable years later though.

>>211719428
I meant "woah".

>>211712675 (OP)
it still is comically bad. Just because it has cool shots and good actors doesn't make it good. Raimi found out that his hamfisted over-the-top cartoony style of storytelling works great in comic book genre but terrible in the western genre because comic books and horror you expect it to be campy and it makes it funny but it just doesn't work when you take the tropes of a western to 11 - it isn't funny it just feels weird.

>>211712675 (OP)
'Quick...' is like a Tik-Tok movie, or Scott Pilgrim.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKtUazIxows

These two loved A Simple Plan
https://youtu.be/TixYAvLSJFY?si=GVdFvaUeyAt_lYh_&t=711
Imagine if Spider-Man dealt with superpowers in the same way instead of just being another Count of Monte Cristo variation.

>>211712983
The gift is scary as fuck

>>211723103
>Ebert thinks Skutch (in 'Crumb') was a real person
oh dear.

>>211723882
He was always kind of stuck up about movies. Always waiting for something that made his jaw drop.

>>211719482
I mean NBC or fox played it throughout my childhood.

This movie reminds me of FMV Sega CD games for some reason. Just the style and when it came out I guess. If I had a lot of money I'd have someone develop it into a somewhat unplayable Sega CD game as a tribute

Didn't she show her gash in this one too for a second?

>>211722625
chat, imagine having such lack of taste

>>211724524
Poggers film.

>>211723882
>>211724069
R Crumb was sort of unofficially inducted into the MBTI type system as an INFP ('Investigator', sort of near to the INFJ who's supposed to be the 'Advocate' or even Anthropologist), you get a sense that he was typologising a lot on the streets of San Francisco and Skutch reads as a distilled essence on the type of American he dislikes.

Ebert's arrogance never hurt the show or his reviews imo, Siskel even lays out in that video what would've saved American movie-making by taking it in a more mature direction. Funny enough they wanted more dialogue, essentially 4 minute dialogue scenes like in Pulp FIction, pulling from French New Wave or even Rohmer, but it's hard to imagine. Many people have criticised American films as mere 'films about people talking [often with guns]' but it's done so differently from the French because they generally aren't focusing on slice-of-life films.

Come to think of it, didn't Raimi's Spider-Man Trilogy devolve into villain-of-the-week appearances and will-they-won't-they romance? Nothing happens after the first film, it's a repeat of the errors of 'The Quick And The Dead', extended to epic length.

>>211712675 (OP)

Russell Crowe's character has made a vow to God renouncing his old evil ways and hasn't touched a gun in years ah fuck it check out these cool moves!

i don't understand how some bullets send a person flying through the air and others just tear through a skull and the body stays motionless

was it? i've only seen it recently and it was fun. the really bad raimi one is the crimewave. that one sucks ass so hard, its unreal. sorry sam, love all your other stuff, but that ones a big stinker. written by the fucking coens on top of it. yikes!

>>211727958
When a bullet hits a nerve cluster, weird shit happens to the muscles. think of it like a massive twitch

>>211718808
It's just dollar store Fargo.

>>211712675 (OP)
Nah it was seen as fun schlock

>>211712675 (OP)
I hated it cuz of the old hag sleeping with the kid.
disgusting.

>>211712914
I saw it in the theater opening week, it was roughly 1/6 full, i thought it looked good but too clean, and Raimi's direction was so cartoonish that I left sorta depressed. I knew it wasn't doing well, it killed Stone's career but Raimi was more to blame. Hackman was wasted, phoning in his Unforgiven cred. This movie is when the 90s became no match for the 80s, it was the first I remember adults bitching about being gay and proto woke. Raimi is also top 5 most overrated directors ever, only the first two Evil Deads are classic, his Spider-Mans are nostalgia bias but best for that character sadly, James Cameron should have directed Spidey as planned

>>211717324
People will praise youtube as overlooked hidden gems before they’ll praise bollywood.

>>211712983
Because he directed this like a comedy, almost like a musical. It sucks. Raimi had three huge opportunities. If he weren't a tribe member, he never would have been given IP later.

Darkman had one of the biggest marketing campaigns ever because Batman was so huge.

Army of Darkness was hated on release. Most people didn't know it was a sequel. It lost a ton.

This movie was the definition of a studio flop.

>>211718808
Eh it's decent, it had potential to be his Blood Simple or No Country but it becomes too morose and predictable. Starts great, which is what people remember. Red Rock West is an example of a stronger sleeper noir

>>211717276
also bad girls and even cowgirls get the blues were released at that time yikes

>>211718808
If not for bill paxton’s character making the stupidest decision in film history, that movie is 10 minutes long.

>>211718808
It's weak.
>>211729497
This.

>>211712675 (OP)
Absolutely kino western. I don’t care what anyone has to say. Yes it’s dramatic. Yeah it uses dramatic camera angles and tricks. It’s fuckin fun and has cool shootouts, as a western should. If you take this movie seriously and try to pick apart acting technique you need a life.

>>211719241
He doesn't have a photo from on set?

>>211733577
>Red Rock West
Underrated early Cage. Solid little neo noir western. I heard the OCN can't be found which is unfortunate. Hope it can be relocated or maybe they can find a film out for a 4k release down the road.

>>211722625
>>211722625
Shane Black, who made Nice Guys and wrote Lethal Weapon and Last Boy Scout, tried to direct a pulp Western series for Amazon, one of the worst pilots I ever did see holy shit, your post reminded me of this

>>211733634
It's great fun. People just can't handle a western that breaks the stylistic mold. The crazy camera angles are being criticized?? WTF! My only criticism would be the script itself. A lot of it covers well traveled ground and tropes. If anything, Raimi tried to spice up mediocre writing.

>>211733702
Shane Black is incredibly overrated. Nice Guys is the definition of meh.

>>211724254
Goddamn you're right. It could be in a commercial with Sewer Shark. You probably can do a good render using specific prompts and reference material with A.I. in a year or two.

I think it was a rumor that you saw her pussy in a bath scene yeah.

>>211733755
I agree. He did sneak in that creepy 9/11 predictive monologue into A Long Kiss Goodnight, which is one tier below The Lone Gunmen pilot as far as wtf. And if his script for Sgt. Rock for Arnold was made by McTiernan or Richard Donnor before 1995 it would be a fucking classic, but either it was the 80s coke or dumb luck but he burnt out fast. Nice Guys sucks, he did the same sorta movie with Val Kilmer and Robert Downey Jr, Kiss Goodbye or w/e, it was mildly better iirc, mostly due to Val and his "faggot gun," and Black's The Predator killed the entire franchise forever, fuck Prey and Badlands jfc

>>211717079
I thought it was "wiggle like a worm"

Lol the only part I remember from this slop

>>211712675 (OP)

The 90's were for the most part a decade of cynicism and irony, Sam Raimi films are neither of those things.

>>211734261
What?

>>211733768
>>211724254
it was semi-amateur filmmakers thinking lighter cameras would allow for greater freedom in shot composition, but the end result is it makes everything look cheap.

because i live in a country where people are not afraid of sex i know for a fact sharon stone gets her tits out in this movie when banging leo but i have never seen that scene again on any dvd/stream.

but i know 100% what i saw, does anyone else know?

>>211712983
The term is normalfag, "normie" is the term invented for Reddit normalfags to pass the insult along to pretend they (you) are not normalfag.
Normalfags do not know the name of any director offhand. Not even one.
Because they aren't in the movie.
If you say "Peter Jackson" or even "Raimi" they'll say "oh yeah" but they won't come up with it on their own in casual conversation. Why would they?
Maybe one of them in a group will say "James Cameron" because he put his name on Avatar posters as part of the title.

>>211735127
no, both are from r9k and the distinction between them is a normie is just a normal person, whereas a normalfag is someone who tries to force their definition of normalcy upon others, like a fag, such as yourself.

>>211735688
>both are from r9k
No you pitiable nigger piece of shit, /r9k/ didn't even exist at the time because it's a cancerfag board
Genuinely actually die

>>211735774
I accept your concession.

>>211735836
I repeat my insistence that you kill yourself, you nigger retard piece of subhuman shit.

>>211712675 (OP)
It had it's moments, very good moments

>>211735929
its amusing how mad revisionist historians always get at correct information.

>>211712675 (OP)

Well, you have to consider the context of production. I mean, Dances with wolves and Unforgiven were a tough acts to follow for all westerns at the time. I don´t mean it in the sense of the movie being bad but rather in the sense of freedom of exploration of the genre.

It was a beautiful time for authors full of rather unique productions like this or Dead man. Some worked out better than others but i do get what you mean. For anyone looking back with a 2025 perspective a movie with that cast couldn´t possibly have been a failure.

this one is in my top five and i don't care who knows it

also russel crowe has the coolest haircut i've ever seen in this movie

>>211712675 (OP)
I like the movie and everyone is great in it, except sharon stone, she was horribly miscst and it should have just been a man in the role. That is what probably bombed the movie. Female lead in a western, fuck off

>>211735047
it was a combination of clothes on but tits free.

>>211712675 (OP)
Gene Hackman carries this so hard normies are convinced it's not a shit movie. Sharon stones character was pointless