How do you fuck up Dune this badly? Not even the movies managed it.

>Our hands are poised on the levers of power but yet our grasp on it is still fragile.
Jesus Christ.

Dune is just a shit setting in general

>>211720528 (OP)
Accidentally based show. Also love the costume design. Gives me Hornblower feels

>>211720528 (OP)
Because of prequel obsession to EXPLAIN THING. Dune, the original novel, is carried heavily by its mysticism and vaguely hinting at things in the past that lead to its current state of things. This isn't entirely the show's fault as prequel novels written by Frank Herbert's son fucked it up first.

>>211720528 (OP)
Wheel of Time. Witcher. You know the drill. Do you have to ask?
>We have important female characters/factions in this sci-fi/fantasy franchise so lets make a show about them and make it boring as shit with the worst showrunners, producers and writers.
(I know this was partly based on ideas from one of Brian Herbert's prequel books and then a bunch of new shit added on top, but still.)

>>211720528 (OP)
I know it's not the show's invention, but I absolutely hate the Atreides vs Harkonnen origin myth bullshit with the role reversal.

>>211720528 (OP)
even if you like the premise and setting, problem is you can't present characters who are supposed to be so intelligent and subtle to you audience. they just end up stating the obvious in expository narration.

>>211720528 (OP)
>mfw BG famous genetic index that serves as cornerstone of their entire organization is an AI they're keeping secret

>>211720651
all prequel material entirety misses the point of dune brian herbert really wanted to write his own space opera, but had dune to work with.

>>211720528 (OP)
Will Travis Fimmel ever play anything other than a bearded warrior?

>>211721022
he found a niche

>>211720846
Pretty much. It's a talky-talky show where the writing isn't really good because it's never allowed to breathe since it has so much to convey to the viewer.

>>211720528 (OP)
It needed to run on a lower budget 20 episode season format rather than the prestige television format.

I actually think the PLANS WITHIN PLANS political drama could be good and fits within the Dune setting, but it needs time to breathe.

>>211720528 (OP)
Still not sure how I feel about the casting.

>>211721955
>It's a talky-talky show
This was my biggest problem. 98% of all scenes were two or three people standing in a room or walking through a hallway, just spouting exposition about what has happened or is about to happen. It's all dialogue. It could just as well be a radio show. Modern shows are really forgetting that the medium is supposed to be "show, don't tell." They have it entirely backwards and think it's ok because it has good set design and costumes.

>>211720555
Never understood how they are capable of FTL travel and energy weapons and personal shields but never figured out how to synthesize an organic compound synthetically (the worm dust)

>>211721022
He was a pussy in Raised by Wolves.

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>>211722618
That’s what happens when you let women write things, see: Rick and Morty, Star Wars, Star Trek, Witcher, Game of Thrones etc..

>>211722513
younger valya was more suited to what the show really was while older valya was more what it should've been like

>>211722618
So was Deadwood. Dialog can inherently be exciting, but it has to be well written. And of course, things have to still actually be happening.

>>211722756
Eventually the Tleilaxu did synthesise it but that happened far later into the series.

Before that though you have to remember the balance in Dune is that all the factions maintain power via the status quo:
>Emperor controls majority stake in CHOAM and other Great Houses have a seat.
>CHOAM mines spice.
>Spacing Guild control all travel and trade.
>Bene Gesserit are silent partners but secretly control bloodlines.
>Landsraad represents the interest of the Houses.

Then you get checks and balances:
>If the Emperor sort more power the other houses of the Landsraad would stop them.
>Houses compete like crabs in a bucket.
>Bene Gesserit manipulate things for their aims.
>Technology and other things are suppressed.
It is basically like the aristocracy purposefully keeping a status quo.

>>211722912
>So was Deadwood
Deadwood still showed a lot. We saw the characters stumble or get drunk or throw things. It wasn't a Three Stooges routine, but it still showed a lot. The talking was necessary in some cases to show the dynamics of the scheming, but it didn't routinely take place of the action itself and just tell you about it. That's the difference. Plus, it was a very static setting. Something like science fiction or fantasy promises this expansive and dynamic type of storytelling, and "People Talking Near Desks" is what we get.

>>211720775
>random house members being employed by other houses in important roles
is that really how it works in dune? I assumed houses would protect their talent at all costs.

>>211723332
Think about in real life how some houses would "ward" family members and others to forge alliances and connections (or as hostages).

>>211720528 (OP)
Say thank you to Brian.

>>211723422
Fuck you, Brian.

>>211720528 (OP)
>>211721022
I will watch it for he

>>211723912
I swear he's just playing the same guy in everything.

>>211720528 (OP)
Your own fault for watching it.

DUNCACCINO?

DON'T MIND IF I DO

>>211723912
based
>>211724240
and that's based

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>>211722756
>Never understood how they are capable of FTL travel and energy weapons and personal shields but never figured out how to synthesize an organic compound synthetically (the worm dust)
you didn't read or appreciate books 4 & 5 at all

the whole point was that humanity at the time of Paul became totally stagnant and dead end, just like at the butlerian jihad, unable to see the psychic hunter seeker drones leto ii and siona talk about in the desert that would drive them extinct in the near future

the shield and weapon and warp travel were all invented in a more advanced time 10000 years ago when computers did all the busy work, and humanity rightfully turned from that, but never got their edge back. they had to be repressed for 5000 years to finally become vital and creative as a species that could come up with new technology again

it's cool if you don't believe in cycles of history but that absolutely is in herberts text

>>211720528 (OP)
>What if Dune but all the cool scifi stuff you like is missing and its just a feminist power fantasy

>>211724755
>psychic hunter seeker drones

>>211720528 (OP)
>aesthetic of the new movies
>set during a generally disliked prequel period
>even then it's total OC bullshit
How many strikes can a show have?

>>211720528 (OP)
>a bunch a British people in large rooms talking cryptically with no emotions
This shit trope needs to stop in these TV shows

>>211724240
>Black Snow
Worth checking out?

>>211720528 (OP)
>How do you fuck up Dune this badly?
Pic related

>>211723021
Faufreluches is basically just fancy feudalism in space.

>>211720528 (OP)
My mom liked this show more than Foundation. She is constantly asking me when second season will come out. She also liked The Expanse, so she has a good taste.

>>211720528 (OP)
Trying to create an expanded universe based on a book whose message was "Isaac Asimov was a fag".
See: Later Dune books.

>>211730087
>My mom liked this show more than Foundation.

I like having a cold more than I imagine I would like having bowel cancer.

>>211720528 (OP)
>Not even the movies managed it.

>>211730087
your mom has shit taste in sf adaptations, my man

>>211720528 (OP)
Yeah I didn't care for this at all give me 6 main movies and more vidya and I'm good

>>211731562
DESERT ROSE

>>211720555
>Idaho seething

>>211720528 (OP)
It's just a weird choice. Did they not have the budget for Butlerian Jihad?

>How do we explain the origin of the voice?
>Well, her brother was drowing one day and she came up with it.
>Perfect!
A show by women for women.

>>211726923
My mom likes it.

>>211720775
>role reversal
qrd? didnt bother with the show

>>211734544
It's not in the show but about 100-ish years before it. Basically an event happens and Atreides ancestor is willing to make the hard sacrifice which means getting some people killed, while the Harkonnen ancestor isn't even though it would've resulted in overall loss. After the fact Harkonnens are branded traitors for their noble stance which would've lost humanity the war and they get exiled.

>>211722513
Casting was kino. Production was uneven but fine. The issue was the writing. And just the premise really. Who gives a fuck about this story in particular. And it's not like they even made something good out of it.

>>211722513
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>>211734859
I would rather snood with Tula instead.

>>211734859
like people have said multiple times the problem was showrunners hijacked an established IP to tell some shitty story of theirs that couldn't stand on its own

>>211720528 (OP)
I watched it and my summation is that it's a show for women.

>>211734960
TULA?

>>211720576
The main problem of DUNC movies is that it is not a show and the casting is garbage. The Vikings guy is kino tho.
Is it really that good? How does it compare to Villeneuve's movies?

>>211722756
>never figured out how to synthesize an organic compound synthetically (the worm dust)
Because why break your own monopoly? And when you are a monopoly why decrease the profit with decreasing rarity of the goods?

>>211733534
they didnt even bothered to read about voice in books and that it has nothing similar to Jedi powers in movies.

>>211720528 (OP)
I didn't dislike it
The older actresses are pretty good
Ragnar feels off
The younger girls acting feels forced

>>211736864
>Ragnar feels off
It's because he's just playing the same character again.

>>211720528 (OP)
I can't stand that Chernobyl bitch.

>>211735014
but is it a shitty story in isolation too or just because it's related to Dune but not thematically consistent at all

>>211720528 (OP)
DUDE WOMEN LMAO!

>>211737477
Both. It relies on distant prequel stuff no one likes and is based entirely on what's not original author's writing.