>no conflict = no story
This is the biggest meme in the history of storytelling.

>>211741217 (OP)
name 5 movies without any conflict

>>211741286
Before I do, you have to agree to the rules of the game. And the only rule is not pervert and twist the definition of conflict to be so loose that its meaningless and can be applied to anything just to satisfy this concept.

>>211741390
nta but do you find conflicts like "man vs society" or "man vs nature" valid?

>>211741390
>can't name one

>>211741286
Koyaanisqatsi
Cosmos
Microcosmos

A couple more titles

>>211741529
My Neighbor Totoro
Jackass the Movie
Christmas Story
Lost in Translation
Napoleon Dynamite

>>211741491
This concept is dumb just like "what is art?" because they are based on a conversation formed from an overfixation on an arbitrary term that is not possible to define. You either restrict its meaning and say no story can be made without this very limited aspect, which is stupid, or you broaden the meaning so wide to include everything that it becomes meaningless and not even worth mentioning.

>>211741650
inb4
>mom is sick!
>they do gross/painful things!
>he wants a gun toy!
>theyre sad!
>he wants a friend
explanations for an overnbroadened sense of the word "conflict" to defend this stupid concept

>>211741217 (OP)

Mainstream examples of this include:
Big Lebowski
Beau is Afraid
My Friend Dahmer

>>211741217 (OP)
>>211741286
Before we get ahead of ourselves, the Op didn't say 'movie'. It said 'Story'. Anyone can just sit and watch meaningless images flop around for a while and find a bit of entertainment. But that doesn't mean it's going to be a good Story that will resonate with a large amount of people and be cherished many years afterwards.

>>211741286
alien vs predator
kramer vs kramer
ballistic: ecks vs sever
tucker and dale vs evil
monsters vs aliens

>>211741782
That is always what people have meant by "conflict" though. A conflict can be internal and not external.

>>211741617
these would be movies with no plot
check out Ron Fricke's films if you haven't btw

>>211741217 (OP)
Probably anything by Jarmusch is an example of no conflict movie.

>>211741650
Been too long.
Bam is in conflict with the rest of the crew since he's a little butch.
Sexy leg lamp.
The shitty relationship the jew chick has with her hardworking white husband (that is never resolved)
Sure

>>211741960
and there is no internal conflict in most of those.

>>211741782
all of those except jackass can be reasonably considered conflicts. in fact Christmas Story had an actual beatdown in it.
conflicts are just problems that a character needs to solve. i'd like to know what your autistically narrow definition of a conflict is.

>>211741286
Empire (1964)

>>211741390
What is your definition of conflict? You're absolutely right in saying that, depending on the definition, the same movie can be said to have or not have conflict.

>>211741986
The task was to name movies without conflict, not movies with plot.

>>211741286
Most Ghibbli films

>>211741650
This guy thinks two guys having a fist fight is only way to have a conflict lol.

>>211742429
grats you won i guess

>>211741960
Conflict can be internal, external, personal or super-personal.
Look at movie like Twister or other disaster films. Best films have 3 conflicts and all 3 have resolution at the climax, example: Star Wars New Hope

t. screenwriter

>>211742296
This is what I'm talking about. You are stretching and redefining the meaning of this word to defend a stupid, limiting concept rather than try to understand how the world or things actually work. There is no outward or inward conflict in My Neighbor Totoro. If you try to make one up it just looks retarded
>what is your narrow definition of conflict
You clearly have not read this thread, or ever thought about this concept at all.
>>211742399
>what is your definition of...
Not the correction question to ask. Refer to >>211741726

>>211743093
>This guy thinks two guys having a fist fight is only way to have a conflict lol.
This guy has not read the thread or thought about this concept at all.

>screenwriter
I would say this is a lie, but considering the grave situation writing in Hollywood has become it's actually quite believable. Every movie and show feels like its written by young millennials who are overly obsessed with meme youtube concepts and don't actually understand anything about writing or the world in general.

>>211743144
you don't remember satsuki yelling at her sister and calling her dumb?

>>211743144
I see, so you are saying that good stories do not need to have "conflict" because it is an ill-defined, in fact undefinable concept. Is that it?

>>211743381
You are joking at this point. It's ok to admit I'm right.

>>211741390
Ya just conceded bro.

>>211741617
Man vs man, nature, technology
Nature vs nature
Smaller nature vs nature

>>211741650
Kids against reality
Man vs himself
Kid vs society, himself
Man/woman vs ennui
Teen vs rural america

OP is the kind of guy who logs onto moviemistakes.com after watching something so that he can feel smarterer than the movie.

but i'm here to help you OP, you don't need to wallow in your swamp of ignorance any longer. just read the definition of a "conflict" very carefully in your own image. pay careful attention to the word "dramatic" struggle. do you notice that it does not say "literal" struggle?

>>211741787
Man vs misunderstandings
Man vs mental illness and/or reality
What little I can recall about my friend dahmer that hasn’t been corrupted by the miniseries was teen struggle/coming-of-age.

>>211743457
I'm saying the concept is flawed because it suggest you need to adhere to strict rules about structure and formulating a story. "You must use a three-act structure, there must be a conflict, there must be a climax, everything must be explained, etc." There are many possibilities to explore if you don't shackle yourself to arbitrary and meaningless rules. The Ghibli movies (and Japanese entertainment having aspects like a 4-act structure, higher importance on characters than precise storytelling, etc) are examples of things that exist without these concepts. Yes you can say 'weeb' or whatever but it's what I know and I'm sure there are other structures and ideas from other places.
The truth is every word in every language is impossible to be clearly defined, and this is an actual concept in psychology that is discussed and studied (categorization, etc). Again I can only speak from what I know, so sorry if the "weeb" reference is not popular, but Japanese doesn't have this notion of "what is art" because they don't have exactly the same type of word. Likewise they don't really have different words for sex and gender.

Language is a limiting concept that keeps you from understanding greater ideas because it is inherently flawed and limited.
Which is why almost every single trite/cliche saying and proverb is stupid and pointless, and why anytime someone talks like "it's called..." I immediately dismiss them as unintelligent.

The tl;dr spark notes to understanding and intelligence is simple: just treat literally everything as a case-by-base basis. The moment you try to set rules, it breaks.

>>211743486
This post just amounts to admitting you understand nothing.

>>211743671

>>211742032
>ghost dog
>dead don’t die
>limits of control
>down by law

>>211743542
>>211743671
>expanding the term so broadly as to include everything, so the term becomes pointless
You are redefining rules after the fact to justify a silly statement. Do you not see how glaringly silly this is?

If you say everything has conflict and will redefine it infinitely to include everything, then why does the expression exist to begin with? It is usually used to teach people in writing to add conflict (external or internal) because if they forget then someone there is no story or it's incomplete. This implies it is possible to write something without conflict. But if it isn't possible, why does it become a discussion at all?

The whole concept becomes a paradox of itself.

>>211741650
Johnny Knoxville literally fights Butterbean. Conflict. Did you even watch it?

>>211743784
You have not put in any effort to engage, understand people's points, or explain anything. You drive by "ur dum" post without anything to back it up.

It's funny how any conversation that goes even a nanometer below surface level shitflinging and you people with your "oh you think youre so smart" types come out to fake flex about how smart you yourself are while cowardly staying away from the discussion and engagement.

Any talk that goes beyond surface level bullshit is always met with "tl;dr, reddit, oh you think youre so smart, etc" from pseudo-intellectuals like you. I didn't think anything before, but when I read a post like this then yes I am accurately able to judge your intelligence as among the lowest in the thread.

>>211741286
>Name 5 pornos

I think if you can claim that something like totoro has conflict then everything has conflict and the word is meaningless

>>211741650
Until the climax you can say Totoro was just childhood imaginary friend stuff in rural area, not much else to do but play pretend, but then the younger sister gets lost and catbus saves the fucking day with knowledge and actions it couldn’t have if it was just pretend.

>>211744073
Conflict is a broad concept, is the idea you desperately want to reject.

>>211744251
man vs his homosexuality, gay porn being man vs his heterosexuality

>>211742399
Movie can have or have not conflict.
Plot always has conflict.

>>211744275
Totoro has conflict tho, as does most Ghibli films.

t. screenwriter

>>211744073
The source of the word drama is just a Greek word for “do.” Which basically means anything that is done is drama. The source of conflict is confligere, which is just things colliding, which means any number of things being at odds is conflict. This doesn’t mean the term is meaningless, you’re just in conflict with it

>>211744251
Poor Little White Boy
Poor Little White Boy 2
Poor Little White Boy 3
Poor Little White Boy 4
Poor Little White Boy 5

>>211744943
Etymological fallacy.

>>211741217 (OP)
Let's do basic thing so we all are in the same boat:
There are movies and stories:
>with plot and conflict
>without neither plot nor conflict
We all agree on these two

>with plot, but without conflict
>without plot, but with conflict
And we are arguing about these two. Can anyone have an example of any of these?

>>211741650
Napoleon's conflict is against his school peers (Tod, Summer, the guy who squishes his tots) and social life.

>>211750820
Don, not Tod. My mistake.

>>211741914
King Kong vs. Godzilla
The People vs. Larry Flynt
Freddy vs. Jason
Scott Pilgrim vs. the World
Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla

>>211741217 (OP)
Who wants to watch a story where everything starts fine and ends up fine in the end, you DUMBY.

Here is an old image about "conflicts" I am afraid that definition is too broad so Wizard of Oz about girl just wants to return to Kansas is also some faggy "man vs God" scenario

>>211751183
Wasn't there a much broader version of this with a bunch of absurd ones?

>>211751357
>Man vs ninja turtle
>Society vs tequila
>man on a fast car vs bunch of goons on a slower cars

>>211741286
Memento

>>211741286
Any and every biopic

>>211751183
>man vs author
When has this happened

>>211751768
Duck Amuck.

>>211750788
Plot is:
>The structured sequence of events in a story that are arranged to create tension, conflict, and resolution.
So, far as I'm concerned, it's nearly impossible not to have plot, unless it is just a random sequence of unrelated events.

>>211751973
Would the autobiography of a satisfied NEET have a plot? Who would be the antagonist? Time?

>>211743907
language is simply description of ideas.

>>211749890
just because you don't like something, doesn't mean its fallacious.

>>211741726
"Conflict" as a word has a pretty solid and well defined meaning unlike "art", the word is very often used to refer to conflicts of conceptual or non-physical natures where it isn't literally two people or organisms or physical entities engaging in a conflict. You can have have conflicting ideas, people having a conflict with their own sexuality or whatever, a conflict can be between anything.

>>211752272
he's autistic and he's done this before. he pretty much just shuts down at the mention of any type of "broad" concept.

>>211750788
>without plot, but with conflict
Depends on your definition of "plot". I've seen many action movies that are just mindless scenes of beating people up that I would say has no plot. It could easily be argued it has some razor thin plot like revenge, but the whole point of the plot is just to lead you to the next action sequence. There are many movies that are barely one step above searching "top 10 fight scenes" on youtube. You're not intended to be invested in the plot in these types of movies, but it technically exists.

>>211750788
Cant have plot without conflict.

Technically there are only kinds of movies; Archplot (the usual), Miniplot and Anti-plot.

Every time you create a reality where actions have a meaning and a reaction - your story will have a conflict. Its unavoidable.

t. screenwriter

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>>211751768
https://youtu.be/npTC6b5-yvM?si=xay9lVVxB7ecp1c4

>>211741217 (OP)
Correct in the original meaning of the word meme.
Obviously incorrect in the way faggot OP intended.

>>211741217 (OP)
for the last time OP....
emotional and ideological conflict still counts as conflict.

>>211752129
Conflict doesn't need an antagonist.

>>211752967
What is conflict in Tensura, where:
>every new character wants to befriend MC
>MC can literally bring back the dead
>MC can pull any item out of his ass

>>211749890
Fallacy fallacy

>>211753305
Cant say i know anything about this story but wiki's plot recap has like 3 conflicts in the opening already.

t. screenwriter

>>211743907
>Japanese entertainment having aspects like a 4-act structure
I'm interested in this.
Could you develop?

>>211753669
which are?

>>211753669
>t. screenwriter
haha

>>211751768
New Nightmare

>>211753305
Just looking at that image it’s
>I have hot fantasy bitches fawning all over me by I got no dick

>>211741286
Bambi, Boyhood

>>211755003
>bambi
retard or bait

>>211755003
Growing up is conflict.

>>211741217 (OP)

Nah, that´s pretty much how it works.

>>211755003
Coming of age journey and survival.
Boyhood is about self-discovery and identity, also a coming of age.

Try harder.

t. screenwriter

>>211754946
He could probably grow a dick he wanted to.

I enjoyed seeing everyones arguments and thoughts ITT


keep up the good work team