>I wanted to come out here as Joker
>and I was gonna go on a ... an angry rant
>and blame all of you and everyone for this fucking miserable life
>but it wouldn't really matter because I can't do this anymore
>'cause I can't be who you want me to be
>it was all just a fantasy
>there is no Joker
>it's just me
>I killed six people
>I wish I didn't, but I did
>Nobody knows but I also killed my mother
>Put a pillow over her face and smothered her to death
>I just wanna... I just wanna blow it all up, and start a new life.

Joaquin Phoenix doesn’t get enough blame for this movie. Lady Gaga said he would literally rip up scenes and start over from scratch in his trailer, dictating even the dialogue. Somehow he has escaped the blame though and Todd Phillips is the one ostracized.

>I'm gonna destroy this movie to own the people who liked the first one
Okay but why

>>211753957
Blame for what? It was kino, better than the first.

https://youtu.be/vSpUGww0LuI

I don't think it was awful but it wasn't good. Reappraisals will probably be "it isn't as bad as we thought" but it will never be considered good.

>>211754024
let me guess you self-inserted as Arthur and when bad things happened to him you took it personally

>>211753781 (OP)
if they had given us a pro joker pro evil villain pro chaos joker 2 movie it would have made 4 billion dollars

>>211754203
No I just liked the first movie and hoped the second one would be good too
Is that too much to ask for?

Anyone who went in to see this movie unironically expecting this version of the Joker to become an evil crime lord and break out of prison and do Joker shit instead of what actually happened in the movie......is a fucking retard

>>211754277
He ruined his life in the first movie, it could only go downhill for him after the arrest. He still had a small chance if he didn't fire his lawyer but his fans and Harley fucked it all up for him.

>>211754307
Fucking chudcel, I hate you

>>211754024
after watching the first, people took a shine to the idea of class warfare

>>211753781 (OP)
Absolute kinography
>>211754203
This
>>211754307
You prove the entire point that the first film and its sequel both made: you don't care about Arthur or his mental health struggles (again, which was the entire point of the first film), you just wanted to see le whacky clown kill people. As soon as he stopped doing that you got mad at him.

>>211754594
Did the Wayne's even do anything wrong in the first movie? Everything bad that happened to Arthur was the fault of his cunt mother.

>>211753781 (OP)
So you got raped? Is that what you're telling us

The pretty explicit message of the first film is that no one gives a shit about the poor and downtrodden in society. This results in lowered investment in social services.
When it inevitably results in a situation like Joker killing DeNiro, suddenly everyone pretends that they really care. But they don't. They just like the spectacle. Meanwhile the media just politicises the event to get people riled up because that's easier than looking at the actual issues at play.

Everyone missed this. So the sequel was pretty explicit about how no one understood that message or cared about Arthur unless he was being the insane clown that society had pushed him to be, wanting him to be their mascot for a revolution. The point still being that he was a mentally ill man who society had trodden all over. People again completely missed this message and whined that he didn't kill enough people.

>>211754620
I think that people that cared about Arthur didn't want to see him humiliated even more. The second movie is just torture porn at this point

>>211754723
Thomas acted like a dick. You can say that he didn't deserve to die just for that, as if there's any objective metric on what makes someone worthy of death. But he wasn't the supervillain Arthur pictured in his mind, no.

>>211754859
Ehh. He got laid. He found internal peace. He confronted his demons.
I wouldn't call it torture porn. Bittersweet. The ending was frustrating because I wanted him to be able to just relax now. And I wanted him to get justice for the way society destroyed him in the first place. It would've felt sappy if that had happened though, betraying the films' tone.

>>211754840
It's insane that he doesn't hurt a single person in the sequel. If the first movie portrayed him as an anti-hero then the second straight up turns him into a hero through redemption.

The sheer amount of clarity he displays through the movie despite his condition and the regret for his actions makes him much more sympathetic than when he lashed out. He pays because of it but he dies as Arthur not Joker.

Holy Kino
https://youtu.be/8q1cnbHYdQE

>>211754034
If more of it was like this and there weren't shitty musical scenes, I'd have loved it.

>>211753781 (OP)
Rag status?

>>211754277
Gotham did that already
>you can’t use the joker what about our brand integrity?!!
>ok you can hint at it the joker and you can’t call him the joker
>hey this actor is kind of nailing it
>do every single iteration of the joker and even an entirely different back story
>fans love it
>just don’t call him joker

Just keep taking your abuse bro. You got raped? Just take it

>Lets hire Lady Gaga and then have her sing in a soft voice without instruments and in a crappy way
>brilliant

>>211755574
The abuse wouldn't stop if he killed the guards. His only way out was some kind of insanity plea and possibly reform.

>>211753781 (OP)
Also Joker

>>211755047
He got raped and stabbed to death anon

People are so braindead that they think the rape somehow corrected him into not being the Joker.

It was the realization that being Joker hurts his friends. Gary is traumatized and scared of Arthur, his other only friend was killed because of him. Arthur is a good and caring person let down by the system.

>>211755574
>>211755887
Being sodomised by a baton =/= raped

>>211755878
they could have made such a kino sequel to this... never forget the possibilities

>>211756189
They would just retread the first movie with Joker being on a killing spree

>>211756488
imagine if they made it like King of Comedy, Joker gets out of jail a free man on a technicality, then because he is famous he gets a TV show with Lady Gaga, where he uses it like the right wing media does, to foment stochastic terrorism legally.

>>211754594
There's no class warfare in the first movie, Arthur killed people for personal reasons.

>>211754024
Joker 2 is about circles of violence, the director discussed this in an interview.
The biggest issue is that the movie was released during peak culture wars (2024) and everyone from both sides projected their politics into it.
>noooo le joker was supposed to be a revolutionary! Muh Luigi!
>nooooo the movie is mocking le incels!

>>211753781 (OP)
This movie crushed the heart of every middle class anarchistic who never struggled in life.

>>211756189
Its what i expected from the sequel, instead i got joker being raped and taking it like a little bitch, and getting fucking stabbed to death

Was he Ledger Joker?

>>211758066
they should have deep faked Ledgers face

>>211755987
If given the choice I’d take a dick over a baton.

>>211753781 (OP)
The message of the movie is that just because you're abused, it doesn't make it right to become a monster. Arthur saves his soul by owning up to what he did. The darkness of the joker persona spreads to others, like a virus. This is a story of Arthur's dark passenger becoming bigger than he is.

>>211753781 (OP)
>crazy serial killer gets raped by prison guards
>the next day in court he is clear, coherent and confesses
What did Todd Phillips mean by this?

>>211754594
Correct. This is the only reason the movie was made, to make you feel helpless.

>>211754620
What? In the first movie he becomes Joker and he is whimsical about it. The movie is called Joker, if they wanted to do a movie about Arthur, call it Arthur

>>211754840
Fair, but why did he get raped? Commentary about underfunded prisons?

>>211758066
Yes.

>>211754203
>you self-inserted as Arthur
Yeah, so? I guess the point you're trying to make is that people who liked Arthur deserved to see him get fucking raped and knifed for emphasising with a fucked up person but thats on the faggot director for making him sympathetic in the first place.
>>211754620
>you don't care about Arthur or his mental health struggles
Oh it's a fucking movie for fuck sake. They retcon'd the character anyway.

>>211759713
No one would watch a movie called Arthur