is he right about Jaws and LOTR?

How would people regard Lord of the Rings if it were an hour and a half, instead of between 9 and 15 hours?

Fellowship is better than Jaws but Jaws is better than the LotR trilogy.

>>211776132 (OP)
Fantasy is for children. Jaws is something that could actually happen.

Yes, Jaws is a better movie.

>>211776132 (OP)
>braindead simple plot with shallow characters
Like LotR?

>>211776132 (OP)
>"truly great movies"
>lists a bunch of slop
Embarrassing. Repugnant.

>>211776132 (OP)
this is the trouble with discussions on the net..
>greater
>more worse
everything is about absolute statements, no context, no subjectives
>right
>wrong
My position is this and it isn't moving, your's is there and you don't want to listen to my arguments. what's the point with discussing?

Jaws and LotR are too different movies for a fair comparison straight against eachother but anyone who doesn't acknowledge their different sides of greatness and the aspects they excel at should think twice before they're putting out their thoughts on the net for everyone to see.

>>211776132 (OP)
I think Jaws is significantly better than any gay fantasy shit.

>>211776132 (OP)
yes
lord of the rings is good, but only fellowship should be listed among truly great movies like jaws or raiders of the lost arc
the two towers and rotk are much weaker

>>211776311
Sharks don’t kill people

>>211776132 (OP)
I find people who debate "great movies" and then fight amongst themselves over Predator, BttF, SW, and so on, to be legitimately braindead. It'd be like debating great literature and bringing up your favourite capecomic run. Each genre can be great for what it is, but pretending that Pop Culture Schlock of any kind is on on the level of objective greatness, is downright moronic. I have a collection of comics, games, figures and so that's upwards of 50K and I wouldn't show up to Book Club with my favourite X-Men issue. But somehow people say things such as "Indiana Jones is a great film!" and mean it wholeheartedly. It just boggles the mind.

>>211776253
Movie only good if nothing happens

jaws is mega overrated
people pretend it is so great because of the j-words involved

>>211776132 (OP)
LOTR is a slog to get through. The sequels were better.

plotfags are mentally stunted manchildren. you don't really understand cinema as an artform yet

>>211776132 (OP)
Jaws is boring and not even scary.

>>211776132 (OP)
Jaws is about how men deal with their fears and how to do so in a healthy manner.

The Mayor deals with his fears by simply ignoring the problem he's afraid of. This only creates more problems.
Quint was traumatised by his experience with man eating sharks and that fear fuelled his hate against sharks that consumed his life, spending the rest of it hunting every kind of shark there was until he was consumed by it. He let his fear define his life.
Hooper does not fear the shark because he's studied them and made it into an abstract. That's why he's the only one not really worried for his own sake.
Brody is the main subject. He made his family move to Amityville because he was afraid of being killed on the job in the big city, so in a way he fled from his fear. BUT he's also deathly afraid of open water and chose to live on an island, facing his fear. He truly grows as a person when he chooses to get on a boat despite how afraid he is of the water and the monstrous shark. The movie ends with him suspended over the water, moments from the boat sinking and fully submerging him and him facing both fears in that singular moment, overcoming both of them. Because to truly overcome your fears you must face them with purpose.

>>211776132 (OP)
go back slut

I have never rated LotR very highly. I feel like people who do are just foisting the idea of the books onto the movies, which are competently made but not really that interesting.

I wouldn't rate Jaws that highly, but it's still better than LotR. A more fair comparison is Star Wars (the original trilogy) or Indy (ditto) vs LotR, and both of those are better than the best LotR has to offer.

Again, none of these movies hit my top 10. And how could they, when there are movies like Harakiri and Brazil out there? The best big hollywood box office movie is probably something like Master and Commander, not children's fantasy.

Lord of the Rings is unironically only beloved by midwits and faggots

>>211779931
>Star Wars
>better than LOTR
No fucking way. There was one movie and then they immediately went full retard and retconned shit so that the romantic partners became siblings and the kids of the villain AND rehashed the same fucking plot with a second death star. They're fucking trash compared to LOTR because all they've really got going after the first one, which is a fantastic movie on its own, is the special effects being out of this world when they came out. I suppose they do deserve some points for not being based on a book, but then the Indiana Jones trilogy is a better contender.

>>211776132 (OP)
Every single one of those are kid’s movies.

No difference between the two for me, both are Hollywood entertainment ie literal goyslop. Jaws is 4/10, Lotr ranges from 5/10 to 3/10, averaging 4/10.

>>211776132 (OP)
Why is reddit so fucking obsessed with the lord of the rings? I visited the front page about a week ago and one of the first things was lotr.
Does it conform to modern standards that reddit likes?

>>211776132 (OP)
I don't know. You have their usernames. Go find these redditors and discuss it with them there.

>>211779271
A lot of people’s exposure to movies and literature is through pop culture and most people don’t go beyond that. If they did, they would be studying old/dead languages to read the literature of the time, and watching old movies that barely anyone knows about.

>>211779271
Yeah it’s really fucking juvenile isn’t it? I like LotR but it’s a fucking kids movie, man

I'm really mature, because I watch movies and like them. Obviously not movies for kids. No, no, no. I'm a genius, because I watch movies.

>>211776132 (OP)
I personally like LOTR better, but purely in cinematic terms Jaws is a superior film.

>>211781795
>watching movies instead of films
ngmi
Me? I watch films for mental stimulation and flicks for entertainment. Movies are pure slop.

>>211776132 (OP)
What was Amity Island's tax policy?

>>211776132 (OP)
Women and feminine men don't like LotR because they can't understand the concept of a brotherhood overcoming a common problem/enemy through blood, sweat and tears for the greater good. If anyone says they think Jaws is better than LotR, then they are very likely a woman or a feminine man.

Simple as.

>>211776132 (OP)
Jaws is a classic and important film, but it doesn't stack up to LotR.

>>211782700
Women love LOTR and Jaws is definitely much more of a dudebro male friendship film as well.

>>211776132 (OP)
I red
>JAV's

>>211782774
>Women love LOTR
Women love Harry Potter. Very very few women love LotR, mostly because there's hardly any women in it, so they can't self-insert, which is what most women love to do with books/movies/shows/etc.

masculine men don't care about fantasy slop

>>211782800
>When 100,000 fans packed the streets of Wellington, New Zealand, for the December premiere of “Return of the King” -- the third installment of Peter Jackson’s film adaptation -- it wasn’t so hard to believe the first two films had already grossed $1.8 billion worldwide. “Return of the King” (which received 11 Oscar nominations last week), took in more than $840 million in its first six weeks of release.
>What surprises many, including New Line Cinema, the studio behind the films, is that many ardent “Rings” fans are women.
>Females “have definitely been the growth business of the movie,” says Russell Schwartz, New Line’s president of domestic marketing. “The audience for each movie has grown, and a large portion of that has been female, both younger and older.”
>Schwartz says the percentage of the audience that is female has gone from 42% for “Fellowship of the Ring” to 50% for “King.” Fantasy movies have traditionally had a male-dominated audience. Their emphasis on warfare, monsters, muscle-bound heroes and scantily clad damsels in distress have left female viewers largely ignoring movies like “Conan the Barbarian,” “Willow” and even “Star Wars” and looking elsewhere for stories to capture their imagination.
Salsa: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2004-feb-01-ca-day1-story.html

>>211782700
>Women and feminine men don't like LotR because they can't understand the concept of a brotherhood overcoming a common problem/enemy through blood, sweat and tears for the greater good.
That's what happens in Jaws doe

>>211782878
That was from 2004, more than 2 decades ago. Things have changed a lot since then. You'd be hard-pressed to find any woman under 30 who loves LotR now. Meawhile in a room of 100 women under 30, you'd probably be able to find 50 of them who like/love Harry Potter.

>>211776132 (OP)
Jaws is like the perfect movie and only midwits disagree.

>>211782942
It proves that LOTR is appealing to women, far more than something like Jaws, which unlike LOTR actually has no prominent female characters, nor are its characters as emotionally expressive as those in LOTR.

>>211782700
this is bait, because its literally the opposite of what you said

>>211776132 (OP)
I like both.

>>211782800
And as we all know there's a ton of women in Jaws.

>>211783057
based appreciator

>>211783083
>And as we all know there's a ton of women in Jaws.
Yes, the shark. Women are essentially sharks.

>>211776132 (OP)
>jaws
>"turn your brain off"
Holy shit, reddit is full of the biggest retards on Earth.

>>211783110
>Yes, the shark. Women are essentially sharks.
Sometimes the shark is just a shark.

>>211776132 (OP)
Hes autistic of course hes wrong

>>211776132 (OP)
Well, for one I can actually sit through Jaws and not get bored silly. So, yeah, it's better.

>>211776132 (OP)
lol no, jaws is some bullshit

>>211776132 (OP)
I thought he said jews and not jaws haha I need to stop coming here.

>>211779271
This image mocks me.

>>211776215
How would people regard Jaws if it were 5 minutes?

>>211776132 (OP)
Yeah, Jaws is fucking garbage.

>>211781333
I have varied tastes, and I judge each piece of art accordingly, but it's weird to me for a person to just have no awareness of the facts. I'm not going to pretend I enjoy Hard To Be A God, for example, I would have a far easier time rewatching Benny & Joon with Depp acting like a charming weirdotard. But I'm not going to show up and say that, dunno, Revenge Of The Sith, is a great film, much as I enjoy it. But then you have adults legitimately having these conversations over 80s Pop Culture. Or the other side of the coin where some tryhard refuses to acknowledge that a fantasy movie can be well-crafted and written because he's really into silent 50s cinema, totes honest... It's as if people can't handle a spectrum of opinions and preferences.
>>211781757
I think it's pretty universal. It's good for what it is. But LotRfags are obnoxious when they elevate it to some higher standard. The same can be said for 80sactionfags, or Bondfags or whoever else. There are small subsets of groups where they become completely retarded over their liking of a thing and they have to elevate it to some absurd station in order to justify liking it. The 80sfag with their insistence that all movies need a macho buff guy spouting quips to be "real movies" and their manufactured dislike of general sci-fi/fantasy/capes. The LotRfag who somehow argues that it's some uniting cultural landmark of prime importance instead of a well-developed fantasy universe. The Superfag and Batfag who try to argue that they're icons of cultural significance and so on. The other side of the coin are the people who take nothing seriously.

I just don't get it. I like Cameron Crowe's sappy films. Not ironically, I genuinely like them, they resonate with me. I like Wim Wenders and I like Nolan and Fincher and some random flick I'll come across. You don't have to shut out entire genres or be an eternal contrarian, you can enjoy varied pallets.
>>211784310
It has a smug and sassy aura of dandiness.

>>211784579
That's a lot of word salad to basically say nothing.

>>211779271
The us vs. them combative comparison model has ruined the whole fucking world and I'm not even exaggerating. Binary thinking has become the norm.