Jesus, what an expensive pileup of bullshit that was.

>>211793208 (OP)
The only "bad" Nolan movie

im so torn about this
it has so many cool scences and ideas, but the end result is... ugh
it is very engaging thoughbeit

>>211793862
It's pretty fucking straightforward.

Does anyone know who they were battling against in that final battle? Seems like they were shooting at nothing. Just seems like a bunch of soldiers going in and shooting at stuff but there weren't any enemies. This movie was garbage.

>>211793862
I disagree. It wasn't engaging at all because you didn't care about the characters. The MC was horrible. You didn't know what was going on until the last part of the movie because there was no context to any of the scenes. Stuff was happening but you don't know why the characters were doing what they were doing. Nolan just wanted it to look cool and confuse you. At the end it was just pointless.

>>211793862
Same.
Kenneth brannagh was a fucking horid casting choice as well, his entire shtick as a villain was shit, his accent was terrible and the whole romance revenge shitty subplot bogged the movie down.
Other than that though the premise was great.
We never got to see the future time criminals or know who they are though which is stupid. Brannagh as the villain was just the middle man, its stupid.

>>211795410
I think you might be a bit of a brainlet.
It was a subtext of the main character going through the timeline, then in the middle of the movie coming back through the reversed timeline and slowly realizing he was the instigator of his own creation.
It wasn't outright told to the viewer but was shown to us as the main character was going through the events he had already been through, but inverted.

>>211795783
yeah we get it dumbfuck
it's just not cool or interesting
it's a gimmick in service of absolutely nothing

>>211795338
The bad guy's goons.
But they were mostly fighting retarded nonsensical visual effects.

>>211793208 (OP)
I couldn’t hear a fucking thing anyone was saying the entire film. The sound editing was some of the worst I’ve ever seen in a big budget film.

This is the first time I've seen a tenet thread, and we've been discussing it for the next two week. I don't want to keep discussing this movie EVER again yesterday.
Nice, a tenet thread!

>>211795931
stop parroting this fagggot redddit line you dysgenic glasses wearing retard
none of your sense function correctly because you're a literal weakling

>>211795972
How is it Reddit to say that the sound editing was awful, the accents were shit, and the delivery was drowned out every scene because they had booming soundtrack throughout the movie with zero pause. Go listen to the primary theme of the movie you stupid fuck. I fucked your mother’s mouth and came down her throat and all over her tits.

>>211795410
>because you didn't care about the characters
i cared a lot about his friend Neil, the character seemed genuinely nice
>The MC was horrible
MC was absolute garbage
>You didn't know what was going on
which is precisely what kept me engaged
>Stuff was happening but you don't know why the characters were doing what they were doing
i did when i managed to understand the time inversion thing, especially towards the end of the movie (after the 4th rewatch)

>>211795338
final battle was against the villain's henchmen who were doing the bidding of the future to procure/activate the algorithm
it could've been directed better overall i agree, but the thing is the whole concept of time inversion quickly makes things impossible to understand
shit wasn't clear because as the red team (forward) entered the battlefield the blue team (inverted) was leaving, but in forward time it looked like they were also entering in moonwalk
you probably missed the fact that Neil who was supposed to be on the blue team (inverted) switched teams mid-battle to warn MC about the trapped tunnel, and he's actually the one driving the humvee we see at some point without understanding, and he gets locked out because of the trapped tunnel collapsing yet he still manages to pull them out and save them
ironic thing is that because he uninverted to be able to save MC from the trap, he didn't go back with team blue to brief team red about what happens, which means that team red is oblivious to the trapped tunnel, which means that blue Neil needs to uninvert to warn them... so causality gets kinda whacky
the same attention to detail was given to the airport scene where you can actually see inverted Neil and MC taking the chick to the time inverter

>>211795825
You are saying it was all pointless and you didnt know what was happening until the end but it was all laid out and told to the viewer.
Basically a time bomb from the future was sent back through time, inverted and the villain was dying so wanted to an hero with the entire timeline with him. Which admittedly was pretty gay but that was what the MC was doing, finding the pieces of the bomb, but he didnt know that until like mid way through the movie and we as the viewer found out when he did, then the plot works on the previous events that unfolded but via inversion.
Its relatively straight forward and not overly smart apart from say the final shootout and I suppose the car chases but I dont care for car shit myself, I hate them in movies.
The only thing that didnt make sense was letting robert pattinson die, because they essentially have infinite time as they can go back and forward through time they could have just figured a way to change the events unfold.

>>211795969
kek

>>211795972
Honestly, being chucked into an industrial quality fabric dryer is going to hurt his appreciation of the dialogue. A true autist waits for subtitles on a DVD viewing for EVERY. SINGLE. WORD. Before offering comment.

>>211795338
Supposed to be the time-forward guys vs time-backward guys. Only problem - every time you pulled the trigger, a dead enemy would get up and come to life. Nolan is dumb

Airport scene was cool as fuck

>>211793208 (OP)
it was still a cool movie even with all the bullshit

>>211796308
>time-forward guys vs time-backward guys
actually it's more complicated than this which makes things harder to understand
both teams had a forward squad and an inverted squad

>>211793862
Not engaging, terrible protag, and it only makes sense when your force it too

>>211795691
Sator wouldn't be my biggest gripe with the movie at all, I though he was decent. It was mostly the Protag and his whore who were unbearable imo

>>211796209
>after the 4th rewatch
You can't possibly be serious.

>>211796243
>You are saying it was all pointless and you didnt know what was happening until the end but it was all laid out and told to the viewer.
I never said any of that you dumb faggot
I said it was painfully clear what was going on, but the way it was conveyed was VERY poorly executed, to the point I simply didn't care
the gimmicky reverse time travel horseshit was in service of no interesting character, plot point or story
nolans a hack and you're a tasteless booger person

>>211796481
>I though he was decent.
he wasn't at all
are you insane??

>>211796549
are we talking about the whole sator character or just the performance ?

>>211796607
its all trash you dope

>>211796509
>I never said any of that you dumb faggot
>>211795410
>You didn't know what was going on until the last part of the movie
>Stuff was happening but you don't know why the characters were doing what they were doing
>At the end it was just pointless.
Imagine being such of a brainlet you retcon your own fucking comment that is there for us all to read.

>>211796805
you understand you're talking to more than one person at a time on this site right?

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>>211796482
tenet unironically gets better with every rewatch. it actually starts making sense when you know the ending at the beginning.

It really is just nonsense. I can't even call it pretentious, it's like Nolan had a weird dream once and decided to write a script about it and tried to have it make sense but it just doesn't make any sense. The battle at the end makes no sense, it really feels like something your brain would come up with during a dream.

>>211796481
>>211796607
I am the anon you first replied to. The performance was terrible, and brannagh is normally great, he was just a very poor casting in this and his accent was horrible.
The character was shit too, they could have done the whole future boogeyman enemy without some emo tier villain in the present, but I suppose the viewer needs an enemy who is pulling strings and having 1 enemy employing goons that we can see makes more sense than countless goons all employed by the future enemy boogeyman that we never see.
The female and he shitty children and husband/wife drama was completely unnecessary and just fucking ruins the movie completely.

>>211796834
>>211796509
>I said it was painfully clear what was going on, but the way it was conveyed was VERY poorly executed, to the point I simply didn't care
Where did you say this in your new retcons retard
Just admit it, you are a complete fucking brainlet and do not even understand the movie

>>211796874
It makes sense on the first watch. It's really just low effort pretentious sci-fi wrapped in shiny explosions and nonsense technobabble.

>>211796903
>The battle at the end makes no sense

they are trying to prevent the algorithm from being buried by a bomb so it can be recovered in the future, but really it's just cover so that they can secretly remove the algorithm before the bomb blows up so that sator thinks it's mission accomplished and they can hide the pieces so the future can't find it. no one knows about the real objective besides 3 of the tenet forces who promise to kill themselves later after they hide the pieces of the algorithm.

>ignorance is our ammunition

>>211797071
>they are trying to prevent the algorithm
also why the fuck did they name a physical object the 'algorithm'???
fuck nolan is such a midwitted hack

>>211797071
So basically yeah, it doesn't make any sense

>>211797111
it's a piece of computer code that's in physical form so it can't be simply copied.

>>211797170
sounds kinda gay and like something a dumb person trying to sound smart would come up with and only other even dumber uglier faggots would think is cool

there's only two things that are retarded in this movie

>fire somehow makes ice in reverse
>they don't just simply destroy the pieces of the algorithm as soon as they have a peice

otherwise everything is logical and makes sense when you rewatch and pay attention

t. rewatched 3 times

AYYO I FINNA ORDERED MY GAT DAMN HOT SAUCE AN HOUR AGO SENPAI WHERE DAT SHIT AT?

>>211797500
bravo nolan

>>211793208 (OP)
If the final set piece took place at the opera house instead of stupid desert ruins this would have been great.

>>211797669
Nolan always wants to hook the audience with a big opening scene, it's been backfiring since "4U" though

>>211797669
I mean according to the premise of the flick the beginning is the end

>>211797909
>it's been backfiring since "4U" though
so funny how that actor is ashamed of his entire role because of this and disowns it

>>211797669

>>211797307
Right. Tell me how they get whole tanks of oxygen from 5 days in the future at any time they need.
Or how Neil somehow accustomed himself to the physics when he's from the future.

The whole movie is retarded bullshit.

>>211797957
He is a big guy, after all

I watched this movie about 6 times after it came to streaming and still didn't get it, after that I was frustrated and bored with it so I've never tried again.

>>211793208 (OP)

this, this right here is when my fetish for beautiful tall lanky women began

>>211795338
It's a typical sloppy nolan set-piece, like the fight when the cops break out of the sewers in TDKR. Just two mobs running at each other one of them shooting rifles and it ends up in a brawl with a hundred extras acting silly.

>>211793208 (OP)
filtered

Neil, noo... ;_;

>>211799864
Did he know he was going to die?

>>211795972
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.

>>211796933
im not familiar with his other works
and i agree that the character was a low effort white devil villain, but i think the actor did a decent enough job, what do you think would have improved the performance ?
agree about the rest it was cringe, which is a shame because i loved Neil

>>211797299
it's just a mcguffin that doesnt do anything in the movie except give motivation for the characters to fight over
i agree that it could have been fleshed out in a better way but i see the movie more as a narrative exercise (with the time inversion thing) than an actual attempt at a compelling story with deep world building

>>211798225
Neil is a weak spot in the narrative, i would've loved for him to be his own character instead of the product of the unnecessary cuckshit subblot
for the movie to make sense we'd have to assume Neil spent entire years reversing through time and pulling gigs like the first opera scene to further the goals of the tenet organisation
which would be a nightmare of logistics (uninterrupted supply line of inverted tanks, transportation, weapons etc) when you think about it

>>211799864
;_;

>>211800128
He did. He said that was the end for him and what's happened has already happened and can't be changed. But that they'd meet in the future and get up to some stuff.

>>211800240
Damn

>>211800128
he saw himself save MC
there were 2 Neils at the hypocenter, one normal and one inverted

>>211800324
>You watch yourself die
That must be some kind of hell

It's funny, it seems like Hollywood has finally gotten over its crush on John David Washington and has stopped casting him in everything. Last I heard,He starred in that David O'Russel fiasco and then he hasn't been in anything.

>>211800240
>. But that they'd meet in the future and get up to some stuff.
They would meet in the past, but in relative terms the black guys future.
So essentially when neil first met the black guy in the movie, he already knew what was gonna happen, what he needed to do and probably that he knew he was gonna die there, because the black guy travelled back in time way before they met in the movie and told him the deal.
Its quite clever really as we the viewer know nothing about that until literally right at the end of the movie where he kills the indian woman and it comes apparent he was the one who set up the whole tenet operation himself. Like he was employing himself in a paradox.
That is about the only cool sci fi part with the entire movie.

>>211793208 (OP)
Time travel is impossible. Time is not a physical characteristic of the universe but a system of measurement. There is no "time' and there is no magic record of every movement every atom has ever taken in since it began to exist and nothing can compel matter to "rewind" and go back along this imaginary record of every point in space it has ever been in.

>>211803066
>I have a baby's understanding of time and phsyics. Therefore it's impossible BECAUSE IT JUST IS OK?!

>>211803328
I'm sorry, but time travel is a narrative device, a figment of a creative mind, not a reality. It's time to grow up, son.

>>211800606
>watching yourself sacrifice yourself to save the fate of the world, thus becoming the actual protagonist of a corny story that tried to establish a 4th wall breaking self-conscious nepo baby "protagonist"
yeah, im thinking id take that over not knowing how i die

>>211801828
>because the black guy travelled back in time way before they met in the movie and told him the deal
the protag didn't need to travel back in time
let's say protag and Neil met a T0, and that the final battle happened at T+1
years into the future, Protag forms up TENET and recruits Neil, say at T+10
then he tills him everything and inverts him, sending him into the past until he reaches the opening scene at the opera at T-1
Neil uninverts himself and a few weeks/months later meets a clueless Protag in a hotel hall, at T0
he has knowledge of everything
so later at T+1 during the final battle he knows everything

Protag only needs to move forward in time, it is Neils who needed to move backwards
which is why many theorize that Neil is actually the little Max when he's all grown up

>>211803066
it's time inversion, not travel

>>211803535
>Neil is actually the little Max when he's all grown up
Nothing even remotely hints at that, they just put the subplot in so Nolan could have a female supporting character and the "villain" could have some kind of motivation besides just that he's dying, or he'd have nothing to lose at all.

>>211803066
Time is space.

>>211803066
The universe is a four dimensional obloid expanding outward into void and “time” is away/towards the center

>>211799864
best scene in the flick by far

>>211803676
before parting ways Neil asks him if he was planning to visit the whore in england
he says no
Neil ask "not even from afar ?"
and it turns out that the protag did check up on her from afar and prevented her assassination by the indian lady
the entire movie was setting her up to get blacked so it would be so strange to think Max would be groomed to become time james bond

Nolan is an eternalist whether he knows it or not

>>211793208 (OP)
ayo where's my hot sauce crackas

>>211803676
This
>>211804211
And his name is Neil backwards
Michael caine is actually ives
Protag is using antagonist to find and group the weapon
The people in the future tried to get it from the scientist but she sent it back in pieces but the inversion wore off. Future protag knew this would happen and inverted himself all the way back to the movie. He's actually "sending" messages and gold back. The future people think someone found it and wrote about turning it on which he did

The entire fight and battle is a cover created by the protag

sooo fucking bad. the giant shoot out in the concrete houses they're not even shooting at anyone, and no one is shooting back, there are just EXPLOSIONS XD it's ridiculous. Had to watch it in like 5 sittings.
Painfully boring.

>>211793208 (OP)
Holy shit I just noticed that TENET is spelled the same forward and backwards. This gives a whole new meaning to the film because the last scene the 2 teams one is moving forward in time and the other backwards.

I never saw it bc black lead actor

>>211793208 (OP)
The title is a subtle joke.

>>211793208 (OP)
Desperately needed a second draft of the script. Its a neat concept he desperately tries to wrap the narrative around and its mechanics are important to understanding whats going on in the movie but Dr. Expositions looks rightin the camera and tells you not to wory about it.
You can't have the basis exposition scenefor real and expect your movie to not be treated like a joke.

>>211795691
Brannagh is usually much better than this and Nolan is shit at quality control.
Reeks of a situation where he's asked to do something his better judgement wouldn't allow him to, I can practically hear Nolan shouting "Give me more Bond Villain, Kenneth!" between the two takes he was given.

>>211796874
It doesn't make it a better film but there is enjoyment to be had going through the mental exercises and feeling some concepts clicks

>>211807576
Yeah I swear he did another movie after this with a russian or eastern european accent and was not nearly as bad.

>>211793208 (OP)
Filtered Op is filtered

>>211793208 (OP)
Too confusing of a movie. My family spent more time arguing the plot than watching.

>>211808026
Everything about the way his dialogue and arc is written is a one-dimensional, irrational evil villain.
He fundamentally doesn't need to exist and the antagonist could be unseen future-jannies planting nukes they need to disarm. But Chris, clever boy that he is, read the filmmaking manual for dummies and it said that a film needs humans at the core of it's story.
So, like Interstellar, he tacked on a bullshit emotional story to an otherwise fine high concept sci fi film.

>>211808360
Good point. Like with interstellar he could have made the dream worlds enemies mind bending fuckery clouded with the persons demons, anything, mythical imaginative creatures but instead he played it safe and its all generic soldiers, pew pew and cars and shit.
Very generic. Bland.

>>211793208 (OP)
replace that african with leo
can someone do an AI version of that?

>>211810164
He necessarily has to dumb down some aspects because he's offering complicated premises which need more time and attention. There's alway far too much going on and I think he's aware that this has mostly worked to his advantage, career wise.

>>211800289
The young Neil and the protagonist have already met.

>>211793208 (OP)
idk but it was cool

>>211810571
Like he tries to make a 2deep4u IMAX movie so one time cinema going normies are like "WOW that was cool" not really understanding the story and how simple it is but made unnecessarily complicated for the sake of the WOW 2deep4u aspect.
So he makes it all bland to not complicate the average retard.
Plus I guess the average morons like guns, carts titts and ass not deep hard sci fi or really imaginative concepts.
You probably know too that apparently inception is a rip off of paprika (anime) though I have never watched paprika myself so cant say.

Anyway I dont rate nolan that high as a diretcor and I expect odyssey to be a DEI riddled PoS. I probably wont even watch it as it has a tranny in it and god knows what he is gonna make that freak as.

Despite james cameron really fucking up the last avatar movie, which was pretty shit, he himself has cool and unique ideas that he doesnt mind going deep into imaginative sci fi. Even if the story of the 1st avatar was a copy paste of pocahontis or dancing with wolves.
I prefer james cameran over nolan.
Ridley scott is washed up it seems.

>>211811210
I'll never pay to see another movie of his again after Inception, the dogshit sound alone shows how little he cares so "message received"

>>211810683
Reddit theory, people trying to dig too deep into whatever isn't there. He and niggerman already have a relationship via inverted time and founding Tenet. Max isn't anything more than a symbol of "posterity" and "preserving the world for the future generation" that was the overall (hamfisted) message of the film. It was a cool idea but it went full retard, I didn't care about any of these fucking shitty characters and it had pretty much no impact because of it. I get he's a grey man type of character but the movie fucking sucked because of it. Pattinson couldn't even save it.

>>211811282
>the dogshit sound
You mean the massive loud car crashes, gun shots etc?
Dunkirk was the fucking killer for me, I mentioned above. It has an annoying as fuck constant OST and it gets annoying after only 15 mins and never goes away.
Anyway i dont go to cinemas any more. Last time I went I was to watch a movie at X time and waited 30 fucking minutes of adverts. I walked out and got my money back.

Spent the film wishing Pattinson's character was the mc instead.

>>211793208 (OP)
so it was just one big "fuck you" from nolan to climate activists, right?

>>211810375
it should’ve been tom hardy m

>>211793208 (OP)
Time travel's the hardest thing to do and the reverse time fights' spectacle was good (on top of a great soundtrack). It's Bourne + Primer, the legibility of parsing the timelines and what's going on is for repeat viewings but isn't at all necessary. Kat's the Chief, not the Jeet.

>>211795691
Ben Mendelsohn would have been more menacing. Brannagh's a talent, just okay for the role. Doubt Nolan got his first casting choice there.

>>211800219
>>211811787
>Spent the film wishing Pattinson's character was the mc instead.
>Neil is a weak spot in the narrative

The trouble is a lot of the most interesting exposition is offscreen. It's begging - baiting - for a sequel that is unlikely to ever come, a shame.

>>211811372
Nope. The whole movie is a temporal spitroast. You got double-teamed by future and past Nolans and you didn't even realise cos you're a brainlet

>>211813523
>Ben Mendelsohn would have been more menacing
Yeah he is a pretty good villain character, though I doubt he could do an accent.

>>211813523
Tenet should have a sequel that's an inversion of the first film where protag was the fish out of water and Neil was the one who knew more. But in this one Neil (the one who meets the protagonist for the first time) is the one getting strung along by him as they set everything up to lead back to the first film. Make it a sequel and prequel simultaneously and come full circle.

>>211793208 (OP)
Tenet will be a good movie in the future but you're not ready for that yet. You're going to pretend you always liked it.

>>211814110
No evidence for it at all, cope.

>>211803066
eh time is relative to the observer

>>211814888
based trips of kino

>>211812062
i wouldn’t mind, i just prefer Leo. Anything but that n

>>211793208 (OP)
did 4chan really get filtered by this movie? I thought you guys were smart

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>>211797307
They don't have any piece for more than a few minutes until the end, and it doesn't look that easy to destroy utterly in a pinch. The people brought it to the opera weren't in Tenet.

Legitimately one of the worst big budget movies I've ever seen. There are plenty of nonsense plots out there, so that's not the deal breaker here. It's everything that it should have had to redeem it that failed. The performances, characters, and pacing are objectively terrible. OK, I can get past that even. The one thing it should have at least had was great action, interesting set pieces, and fun moments. It doesn't deliver on any of it. The 'action' is trash, the concept completely wasted, and the ending puts one big "you wasted your fucking time" bow on top of it all. Promising some crazy ass 'temporal pincer' maneuver all out battle, and we get glorified test footage of people running around doing jack shit. This failure should have just been written off as a tax deduction.

>>211805088
Same. Took forever to get through this boring slog.

>nolan thread posted
>/tv/fags make 50 posts about how they’re too smart for nolan films
clockwork

>>211816835
I like Leo as well, but think that Hardy would really have excelled in this role through physicality and suave. he’s a better actor than Denzel jr by miles and would’ve been able to sell the whole ‘agent-gets-involved-in-scifi-shit’ on top of injecting some personality into the role, no matter how blank Nolan wanted it to be.
>>211813523
>Ben Mendelsohn
now this is an interesting and excellent choice

>>211816842
The whole point of the movie is that it's been marketed to idiots as a smart movie.
So when the plot clicks after 20 rewatch they scream that the movie is genius.
It's not. They're just idiots.

>>211793208 (OP)
Pattinson was good but the main guy was a charisma void. Interesting idea but way too long. Not exactly Nolan's finest hour, Oppenheimer shat all over it.

>>211796874
The audio was so bad in theaters I missed a ton of shit. Got much better with subtitles on the rewatch

>>211811372
>Pattinson couldn't even save it
he did though

>>211793208 (OP)
filtered

>>211803066
imagine being oblivious to something that's been around for the last 100 years or so

>>211803066
>Time travel is impossible
You're traveling through time right now at the rate of one second-per-second

>>211796842
Skurt skurt
ayo Tenet

It grew on me

>>211796874
It made sense the first time through.
The movie itself isn't really deep or complex, it just has a needlessly messy time travel gimmick that pretends to add some depth.
Its also a bad sign in your self-serious sci-fi action adventure movie when you have the basil exposition scene from austin powers where they stare right at the audience and say "Don't think about it too hard" while also making the intricacy of the dumb drawkcab gimmick a main plot point.
Just seems like nolan trying to eat his cake and have it to.
The script really needed a second draft, or someone else who wasn't Nolan's brother to give some feedback.

>>211795338
I always think about the building that gets blown up and then un-blows up and then immediately gets blown up in a different way. Why?

>>211825662
What I remember was the building was rubble first, then it got hit with a reverse-rocket un-blowing it up, then it gets hit with a regular rocket that blows it back up. So that building always existed as rubble and was only ever a building for that moment between rocket strikes, and existed as rubble in this russian town always.

>>211825662
Coordinated attack from normies and inversed.
But really it was just Nolan jingling keys in front of idiots.

>>211796383
And they're all wearing nearly identical camouflaged MOP suits.

>>211825781
>Nolan jingling keys in front of idiots.
The annoying thing is you can jingle those keys while still making something visually coherent.
I mean take michael bay, he's made a career on jangling keys, but aside from the transformers sequels you could always tell what was happening.

>>211823935
No he fucking didn't. I wanted to like his character but I just couldn't, everything was tainted by how fucking badly executed this movie was. Again, good concept, but a huge waste. Should've paired Pattinson with someone else. He worked well as the "knower" of the two, but the movie really should've stopped halfway and done his perspective, or planned for a sequel where you get his pov. Instead it feels half baked and everything crammed into one film. No, it's not necessary to understand it, but we didn't need the fucking whore and her kid subplot at all. Neat idea, god awful execution.

Here's the one thing I didn't understand. At the very beginning, there is a bullet hole in the concrete step, and the inverted guy slurps the bullet out with his time gun. That's fair enough, but at what point in time did that bullet appear in the concrete on the normal time line? Like, did the architects of the building place it there when they built it and nobody touched it until the time guy slurped it with his gun?

>>211826549
Not that anon but I like when you have a character that is the protagonist in their own story that is just intersecting the main plot. You don't really NEED to see their movie.
Sort of like Han Solo (explicitly from ANH). He gets a cool into, he's a slick as fuck slimeball with a beat up grand national parked out back who's gotten into a million scrapes and adventures, and Luke's journey being the primary focus of the movie, is just another episode in the ongoing stories of Han Solo. As the movies go on they come up with more reasons why he loses his agency and begins to orbit the through line.
Its kind of funny han stuck around as long as he did since Ford never wanted to do it in the first place, and Lucas didn't intend for him to come back in his original treatment for the sequel to ANH which has been novelized and turned into a comic also luke and leia weren't siblings, and vader wasn't luke's dad.

>>211795338
the backdrop didnt even look like anything, felt like they just took a bunch of cameras into a paintball course

>>211825944
bad guys were conveniently dressed in white

>>211803676
>>211805000
>>211811372
>>211815861
>max
>maximiLIEN
>NEILimixam
>NEIL

>little max is obsessed about volcanos
>mom sends him to visit Pompei, where the tenet/rotas tablet was discovered
imagine getting filtered by nolan this easily lmfao

>>211826736
the bullet simply "appears" in the concrete step after the opera was built, in preparation for the inverted gunner to absorb it with his gun
same as when the inverted Protag's arm got progressively injured until he got "unstabbed" by his past uninverted self at the freeport

>>211820588
it wasn't marketed. It came out during COVID. No one saw it in theaters except me.
The movie is brilliant, but you are right that it takes a couple times to see again to appreciate it.

>>211826782
Yeah I can appreciate that kind of storytelling, but it just wasn't done well here. TP was barely a presence, we followed him around because we were forced to. Zero charisma. I know, muh blank slate muh CIA muh doesn't exist, but it's just not the right type of film for that. That shit works fine when you're not playing with physics at the same time, but having a main character who just basically doesn't exist? Oh wait, he has a line about hot sauce that became a meme for how ridiculous it was. Yeha, nobody cared about him. Everyone wanted more RP and it was just as much his story, hell, even moreso. The movie was also pretty predictable, even though it's trying to fuck with you, it was very easy to figure out the black soldier was just TP going backwards. The movie had too many extraneous details.

>>211827018
>maximilien
Huge stretch, never stated to be his name, and when it is an extended name it's Maximilian with an a. Then there's the idea of sitting in a shipping crate for years so he can age up just to be the proper age of Pattinson. Then there's the absolute zero interaction with or care about the whore who would be his mother in this pathetic fan theory. Sorry, I don't buy it, the movie isn't that deep. If that was actually Nolan's intent he did a very poor job at supporting it.

>>211827076
I think I was arguing the point more than defending the movie, I don't think its all bad, but nolan really gets stuck up his own ass sometimes. I think inception and its reception is where he just dove in head first.
I liked inception, but I feel like it went over everyone's heads because "WHOA DIFFERENT TIME SIGNATURES!" and the top spinning at the end.
Everyone rightly picked up on the influence of paprika, but don't realize paprika isn't really a movie about dreams, but about film-as-dream (the whole climax is the detective remembering and assimilating the memory of him and his friend dreaming to be film makers, and the abandoned film they never finished because real life got in the way, a real like that was inspired by this dream of a film.
Inception isn't about a guy making a dream heist to save his kids, its about nolan making a movie about a dream he had about a guy making a dream heist to save his kids.
Its about the inception of the idea and how it goes from that first spark of inspiration to the finished product.

>>211827368
Yes, Inception was both better executed and more coherent. The people jerking off Tenet really need to stop huffing Nolan's farts. No, it doesn't get any better on rewatch, it's the same shit film with 2 cool set pieces. The third act shits itself hard, it doesn't matter how bad they want to defend it. Nolan has gone from making interesting films to just being the ideas guy who needs someone to audit his nonsense before it actually gets approved.

>>211825730
>>211825781
It just doesn't accomplish anything, it's so confusing to me that they shot that and kept it in like it conveys some sort of information. Were there bad guys in there? It looked empty so what was the point of the multiple explosion? It's like if you took the rotating set in Inception but just showed it on its own without anyone in it. Ok the room is spinning, cool I guess?

>>211827831
>what was the point of the multiple explosion?
I'm willing to be the inception of the movie was nolan imagining a building getting hit by a rocket going backwards in time.

>>211793208 (OP)
I will never not be distracted by how this guy looks and feels.
His stupid fucking ooga booga mug and that cheap ass shiny mismatched $30 poorly tailored suit that tries to portray some kind of urban style with that dumb ass polo underneath.
Everything is wrong with him, it's like that airplane scene from TDKR - so many things are "off" that your brain just short circuits.

>>211827167
>Huge stretch
So we go from "nothing hints at that" to it being a stretch
Here are some additional stretches:
- Neil drinks vodka, like his mom
- Neil has a British accent, like his mom
- Neil understands Estonian, like his dad
- Kat tells the Protag he dresses like he wants to look like a billionaire, which is true he is an eyesore, whereas Neil is effortlessly classy throughout the movie (it's almost as if he actually grew up rich)

>>211827831
That was just to have a cool visual effect in the movie. And they put it in the middle of the most confusing action scene because they knew it didn't make sense
>It looked empty so what was the point of the multiple explosion?
It wasn't empty, an enemy was show in it a few seconds before the hit. When they were taking cover, the Protagonist said they needed a distraction to run to their objective (the tunnel) unseen

>>211793208 (OP)
it has a really good premise but it looks half-assed, like nolan thought of an idea but didn't even try to execute it properly

>>211793430
TDKR is well below Tenet

so far I was able to understand most of the movie or apply headcanon in plot holes but I still don't understand how the fuck did that car on the highway start moving backwards without any stimulus

>>211827018
The fact you zoomer idiots keep pushing this completely unfounded stretch that Pattinson's character is the kid grown up is a symptom of Marvel multiverse 'everything has to be connected' brainrot and is a prime example of why Nolan feels the need to include such excessive exposition dialogue, which you guys still complain about despite STILL not understanding basic shit

>>211796308
No, the red Tenet soldiers are not fighting the blue Tenet soldiers they just flew in with, they're on the same side, fucking hell

so far I was able to understand most of the movie or apply headcanon in plot holes but I still don't understand how the fuck did that empty car on the highway start moving backwards without any stimulus

I love this movie. Not Nolan's best but I saw it alone in theaters twice during the pandemic and thought it was fantastic. I'll never understand the hate. I thought John David Washington was fine or at least somewhat awkward in a good way. I think it helped that I had already seen him in BlacKkKlansman with Adam Driver and I liked that so it wasn't jarring like it was for most folks who probably saw him act for the first time in Tenet. The plot was not hard to follow and felt satisfying enough by the end despite the third act dragging with Brannaugh droning on and the forces clashing feeling contrived. Despite the third act I enjoyed how original the movie was and Pattinson's performance and the score. Again it's not Nolan's best, not even Top 5 but it doesn't deserve all the hate. I think most people just didn't give it a proper chance, watching it at home with their phones next to them after reading all the comments and threads about the movie etc.

>>211795338
>The same people who tell you Nolan is slop can't even read the obvious visual language

>>211795825
>gimmick in service of absolutely nothing

Dumbfuck, reversing time is the point of the plot. That's like saying "Guy Pearce losing his memory in Memento is just a gimmick" or "Leo entering dreams is just a gimmick". It's the fucking point of the entire film.

>there are people who got filtered by Nolan
>There are people who got filtered by tenet
>There are people who don't understand everything Nolan has ever made is about time
>These people post next to you daily and believe their opinions have value

The reason so much happens off-screen or relies on conversations that happened off-screen is that it's elliptical storytelling in aid of an emotional and experiential effect. It mirrors the partial information real-world idealogues and fighters form their convictions based upon, just as the moral relativism of the movie's conflict (the future people are literally just trying to escape climate shit the MC's generation - ours - are responsible for) reflects the moral relativism of real-life geopolitical conflicts.

In a way Nolan's suggesting an absurdist cosmology and seems to hold Blakean humanist values within that, some sentimental streak along the lines of "maybe we live in a chaotic uncaring universe but the feelings we feel and the experiences we have as humans still matter" etc., same in Interstellar, pretty standard for his place and time culturally + being an artist, like the "a more beautiful fiction is more important than the truth" aspect in the Dark Knight flicks or Inception..

Like Oppenheimer coming out at the moment it did is to do with Nolan looking ahead at the human qualities that may lead to our doom, Tenet is at least partly a depiction of his perspective on the shape of conflict to come in our lifetimes as well as being intended as a fun action/thriller flick.

You can say it's messy and his directorial style has flaws or that it doesn't work at all in practice, but the way you zoomers complain about the unconventional aspects of the storytelling in this film measuring it against a more standard narrative template shows you lack the basic emotional intelligence to understand the basics of what you're watching and it's terrifying to me. I don't count on any of you lot making art that is any better than Tenet.

>>211828858
This is how I feel. These kids would be complaining about Evangelion (pre-Rebuild) not pleasing the fans and being too confusing if it came out today.

>>211828265
Lmao whipped dog reaction.

>>211829057
>There are people who don't understand everything Nolan has ever made is about time
wow... this insight you have into Nolan's works in insane.
I now totally disregard any criticism about this movie being thematically bankrupt and being a glorified r/ shower thoughts put on film.

>>211793208 (OP)
One of the best time travel movies, made by one of today's best directors.
Trolls can cry their asses off all they want because the protagonist is black, but it won't change the fact that it's one of the best time travel movies ever + infinty.
Anyone who doesn't like it is a black cock sucking homosexual.

>>211829190
The greatest work you've ever produced was your morning bowl movement. I'm not in the habit of listening to plebs.

>>211829090
>but the way you zoomers complain about the unconventional aspects of the storytelling in this film measuring it against a more standard narrative template shows you lack the basic emotional intelligence to understand the basics of what you're watching and it's terrifying to me.
Yea clearly a generational thing. Past generations always accepted non conventional storytelling presented on film without criticism or rejection.

>I don't count on any of you lot making art that is any better than Tenet.
Yes, unlike your generation in which every individual who criticizes a piece of art has demonstrated they are more than capable of replicating similar works.

>and it's terrifying to me.
You seem to lack wisdom gained from living through cycles. Perhaps your emotional intelligence is lacking if you are terrified by your perception of generation Z. Perhaps you are “terrified” due to your ignorance.

>>211793862
>it has so many cool scences
no it doesnt

>>211828420
Cope reddit theory, his dad doesn't speak Estonian, anyone can drink vodka, a nigger in a suit will always be a nigger. Deboonked.

>>211829137
Brownoid detected. Only nigs say this. Go back, you're not welcome here.

>>211828943
Unlike those films, Tenet doesn't have a coherent point.

>>211830800
It does, it's just quite abject and involves things people are instinctually hostile toward. The film presents a deterministic universe, or at least one where individual free will is non-dual, at least, probably why the movie did better outside the west.

>>211831324
Nah, any point it tried to make is completely fucked up and muddled between its contrived action scenes, its unlikeable "hero," and its unclear presentation of events.

>>211830518
>>211828814
He knew personal details about the Protag despite Tenet having a policy of avoiding iddle talk and getting too personal with each other as demonstrated by the scientist at the start. What reason would the Portag have to break this rule with Neil apart from him basically raising him ?

>>211828820
It's an inverted car, so from its perspective it didn't start moving, it was already moving and came to a stop. From a non-inverted perspective it's the opposite.

>>211828858
>Washington was fine
He was garbage.

>>211835269
What did he know that was personal? Anything they talked about was exclusive to the mission, there was not really a time they weren't all business. You've got some weird delusions, I don't know what you get out of trying to argue for this, it just isn't the case.

>>211793208 (OP)
I've watched a million movies, good and bad. I NEVER fall asleep during a movie, regardless of how bad it is. Fell asleep to this film like three times. Convoluted happens. This one is also criminally boring. Convoluterd and boring=cinematic lullaby.

>>211793208 (OP)
Always bet on Nolan.

>>211793208 (OP)
I found it difficult to take serious seeing people being dragged backwards like it was a Gmod shitpost. I get what he was going for, he certainly seems to like playing around with the idea of time, but the whole concept fell flat. I can only imagine the actors felt the same for how poor a performance they were giving. The scene in the highway was neat though. Nolan does a good job with these well choreographed set pieces.

>>211793208 (OP)
I only saw this once and thought it was enjoyable enough.
My wife thought it was shit and I don't feel strongly enough about it to try and get her to watch it again.

>>211838212
You should beat her

>>211838314
If it was Fury Road I would just keep making her watch it over and over again until she agreed.