>Gets sober
>Music becomes shit
Who is the film equivalent to this?

kevin smith but the opposite. as soon as he started smoking weed, he lost his sense of humor.

Trump knew Em smoked him, that's why he never responded. Mike drop.

Cannon films

>>211833678 (OP)
>Who is the film equivalent to this?

>>211833678 (OP)
>becomes

It was always shit, as all rap is

More like
>gets rich making monkeymusic appeal to white kids
>live in gated community for the next 35 years
>Sniff your own farts like all the other aristocrats in your circle

Speaking of gated comunity, I love these fotos.
Tell me this doesn't look like an ad for a gated community?
>Straight, white, rich fuckers await for you.
Most these people have soft upbringing. Tell me, are they in the forefront of rap?

>>211833678 (OP)
If I was Eminem I'd be getting fucked up constantly

>>211833678 (OP)
Dan Harmon

>>211833915
Why isn't Hailey marrying a black man?

>>211833915
>>211833768
Fair play, I would include this into the original question.
Who got rich and completely sold out?

>>211833915
>only blacks in attendance were serving food and drink

>>211833704
It's ironic that he made better stoner movies before he was a stoner

>>211833678 (OP)
>no edgy boyband rap
>no rehab cringe
Relapse: Refill was undoubtedly his best album

>>211833678 (OP)
steve o

>>211833678 (OP)
Scorsese got sober and made the best movie of his career, going on to have his greatest successes afterwards

>>211833704
he's actually come clean on this and admitted it was ruining him, he quit smoking a few years back
his first movie after he emerged from the fugue is The 4:30 Movie which apparently was a return to form

His music doesn't suck because he got sober, it sucks because he got old and less edgy and didn't know how to evolve his music with the times
He apologized for being homophobic

>>211834165
don't care. fuck that crybaby star wars faggot. he was only good up till Clerks 2 anyways.

>>211833678 (OP)
Hes just old and his brain's gone to shit.

Also he cant talk about his daughter or having a tough life anymore because hes been rich for a while now.

If he were to make "good" music now it'd probably end up being cringe shit like how hes rich and describing how he performs intercourse like most rappers do

>>211833678 (OP)
I was going to say RDJ but it seems like he got sober earlier than I thought, and a lot of his most acclaimed work is actually from afterwards. Still the last decade of his filmography looks grim as fuck. All capeshit and Dr. Dolittle. Was he any good in Oppenheimer?

>>211834191
>apologising for being homophobic
>when you make rap music
What's next? Will he apologise for using profanity? Also, how would young Eminem think of this?

>>211833973
The Harmon effect, the show become a success despite him, become more involve, drama happen, show turn to shit

>>211834267
>Was he any good in Oppenheimer?
nah he seemed frail, feminine and erratic. the movie was terrible in general imo

>>211834262
He just needs to make nostalgia crap for his now adult fans.
Leave the professing his love for niggers and faggots and trannies out of it.
But that will never happen

>>211834289
>Also, how would young Eminem think of this?
The goal was always acceptance and fame. He was homophobic because it was acceptable at the time, then apologized when it wasn't.

>>211834262
>cant talk about his daughter or having a tough life anymore because hes been rich for a while now
yeah, white older guys rapping about their rolexs and bentlys is lame. Jay Z can get away with it, but 50+ white guys seem lame doing it. them the breaks

>>211834432
RDJ has always had that slight feminine lilt to his acting. Effete, I believe is the term.

>>211833678 (OP)
Literally every musician ever and I’ve been sober for years

>>211834767
not in tropic thunder only for iron man but it eventually turned into his default personality

>>211833678 (OP)
At this point only 1/3 of his albums are actually good and that's being generous. And yet people will still carry water for him till the end of time.

>>211834790
nu-phish is pretty good but I think only trey is sober and it's probably just off heroin. A lot of purists will insist they're dogshit now but they're still better than everyone else

>>211834267
> Was he any good in Oppenheimer?
Yes.

>>211833678 (OP)

>>211834837
You know he's been around since the early 80's right? Over 50 movies before Iron Man or Tropic Thunder. A lot of his roles were the same kind of valley guy limp-wristed faggot. I don't think he always played a homo but yeah he very much played a kind of proto-Roger from American Dad.

>>211833678 (OP)
Coppola

>>211833678 (OP)
I liked him in Underwater

>>211833678 (OP)
Ben Affleck

cant imagine anything sadder than an eminem listener in 2025

>>211834113
So the opposite of what was asked. Are you retarded?

>>211834569
>He was homophobic because it was acceptable at the time, then apologized when it wasn't.
Retard take. As soon as he started shitting on gays and Elton John he got called out in the media and it was a huge deal. He had to make a public apology to repair his reputation almost immediately.

>>211834790
Speak like an adult.

>>211833678 (OP)
Stephen King.
Drugs and alcohol are not inherently bad and are a key part of unleashing human creativity, but it's also extremely easy to take it too far, crash and burn. The sweet spot is balancing a healthy lifestyle with controlled bursts of creative chaos, but very few have the discipline to sustain it for long.

>>211835750
He's a book writer.

>>211833678 (OP)
Here's the real truth it ain't drugs. It's age. Neuroplasticity the method for learning and mastering new things declines drastically the older you get. Mastering a skill with time is only half truth. You can learn to do anything proficiently with practice but you'll never reinvent the wheel past a certain age

time comes for us all
Also drug abuse with exacerbate this

>>211836269
Not everyone gets worse with age

>>211835634
I am of the opinion that people struggling with addiction or under the influence of heavy substance abuse make better music than they are capable of doing sober. I express this opinion as someone who has experienced sobriety for a number of years. Happy now reddit bitch?

Relapse is kino af tho

>>211836335
No one gets better

>>211836427
I consider it a hybrid probably influenced by his darker drug abuse periods, probably blurring the line.

>>211836437
What about Ludwig van?

>>211836269
Can I learn to get gud at art if im 27? :/

steveo syndrome

>>211836427
This was honestly the last album where he was his true self

After that he played it safe by bringing on a fuck ton of pop artists and creating radio friendly tunes about muh depression.

>>211836667
better hurry

>>211836667
You can learn all the techniques but realistically you aren't gonna redefine the genre or do anything new. You can be a good painter but no one is gonna call you Picasso(fuck Picasso anyways). And there's still plenty of ways to turn it into a fulfilling career. It's just the older you get the harder it is to learn and even harder to master. As the saying goes "you can't teach an old dog new tricks"

>Listening Eminem after The Eminem Show

>>211833678 (OP)
Why does he look like a dyke with a fake beard and too much foundation?

>>211836269
You're a retard. Plain and simple.

>>211833915
He looks cringe in very picture. Why does he bother with the nigger grift when he lives on some 20 acre land away from people. He smiled more when he was broke.

>>211836804
You're a retard if you think Eminem's decline was lack of drug use. You're also a retard for not knowing how brains work.

>>211833678 (OP)
is that tom green

>>211834191
>and less edgy
Why would you want him to stay edgy. That shit was boring after one album. If anything he doubled down and never stopped the horrorcore cringe.

>>211833678 (OP)
I never noticed how much he looks like Tom Green.

>>211835590
He literally did a live performance with Elton John. The hate was all fake and manufactured nonsense. Every rap artist is homophobic.

>>211836750
Eminem is a pop artist. All singles are some poppy nonsense.

>>211837691
You're a retard for going on about brain plasticity for a guy's musical work done in his 30s and 40s.

>>211833678 (OP)
His music was always shit.

>>211837875
>He literally did a live performance with Elton John.
As an apology you stupid piece of shit.
>literally
Speak like an adult.

>>211838056
>26 when the real slim shady came out(his most famous hot)
>Had already been in a rap group which he was the most famous of hence getting a single career
>All his albums decline in quality relative to his age
The evidence is right there. Do you have eyes and ears retard?

>>211838239
>you can't make good music past the age of 30
Maybe it's your own brain plasticity that's declining.

>>211836771
That saying is bullshit.. We trained our 12 year old dog for bird hunting competition and despite him NOT following commands for shit he keeps winning 1st or 2nd place because he finds it fun.
The judges are amazed such a old dog can still hang.

>>211836427
Majority of the album was written and recorded while he was still a porn addicted junkie, so you're proving OP's point.

>>211837691
Anon, you're repeating 15 year old memes from popsci listicles. Ironically it's you who doesn't know how the brain works.

>>211838323
>Being passed thirty means you'll never be good ever
Care to highlight the reply where it says that? Or are you just pulling shit out of your ass?

>>211838386
>despite him NOT following commands
So you admit you failed to teach him. It doesn't matter how many retards give him trophies.

>>211838323
Apparently you don't have working eyes because no where was that even implied retard. Merely highlighted the decline in quality.

>>211836399
rek'd and check'd

>>211838593
He knows what to do, and does it. He won't always come to me if he thinks he found a better route or way of doing it.
Last time instead of going straight back to me for the return he went he long way around because it's easier to get on land from his way.

If the job is done, can I really blame him?

>>211836269
>>211836437
Kurosawa got better with age. Ran might be his greatest. Hitchcock got better in his late 50s. As a director Eastwood got better.

>>211838127
>As an apology you stupid piece of shit.
The entire thing was fake. He still went on to write homophobic lyrics and calling other rappers faggots.

>>211836269
I actually agree with your premise in general so I like to think of the exceptions

>delivers his best album in decades
>refuses to elaborate
>dies

>>211838825
Did Kurosawa or his crew and the technology used?

>>211838803
>If I teach him something but he does something else his preferred way is it really different?
Yes. That's literally the whole point. Your old dog can't do it the new way because he is old and set in his ways. That's literally what the phrase means retard.

What a retarded wigger clown

>>211833915
*hits pipe*

>>211838881
Kurosawa continuously found some new and virtuous to contribute with every new film he directed.

>>211838961
Explains why he's outperforming the dogs who are younger and have trained more.

Dumbass

>>211839284
>Explain why dumb boomer judges give my dogs medals despite very obvious lack of listening to commands
Do I gotta spell everything out to you retard? Of course the judges are gonna award the retard when they are retards themselves. It's just weird how you admit you didn't teach your dog nothing yet some judges opinion is your entire argument despite the reality of the situation telling you differently. You literally said you couldn't teach it new tricks and just did its own thing. You are stupider than your dog.

>>211839203
Name them

>>211839571
Critical thinking always beats blind obedience to orders.

>I'll go walk through that minefield instead of going around, because my boss said so.
With that logic you're more dog than my dog.

>>211839684
You didn't teach that dog critical thinking. You didn't teach it anything. You let it loose while hunting and act like you had some hand in letting it do what it naturally wants to do. You didn't teach it to do those acts. You didn't teach it to wait to do those acts when commanded. You didn't do anything but bring a dog along(a breed I bet is known for bird hunting) and let it be a dog. You can't even define critical thinking let alone explain how a dog can exhibit an example of one you God damn nigger. Shut the fuck up and stop making your family ashamed by showing how much they failed to raise their retard son.

>>211839631
In “Dreams” his use of fantastical camerawork unconsciously conveyed how your moms a fat whore

>>211839787
Ahaha, haven't had such a good chuckle in a while.
Have a good night.

>>211840004
I'll take your lack of critical thinking and ability to explain it as a concession of your defeat.

>>211840004
Lol the only people laugh are the ones laughing at you retard. How do you tell people proudly your dog is smarter than you and think you made a point? Fucking retard.

>>211835016
Going to see them in Boulder on the 4th, first Phish show. Tempted to see Dead and Co at the Sphere but idk just can't make myself to it, would rather listen to live GD shows while hiking or something

>>211834165
Narrator:
It wasn't

Eminem peaked at The Eminem Show (2002). All of Eminem's best songs are produced by Dr. Dre.

I watched 8 mile it was good

>>211834191
Eminem has always been a cornball. i never saw the appeal to his music. there is no artistic merit to any of it. it's mainstream commercial slop.

>>211840495
>Produced by Dre
Most people being used as examples in this thread didn't improve at all. They just had more funding for better equipment and better staff like producers, cinematographers, editors, and so on.

>Slim Shady was on Ecstasy while recording the SSLP
This is why he was good. He was literally zonked out of his mind in another universe when he recorded it.

>>211833678 (OP)
Without Me and Stan are his only good songs.

>>211838639

>>211840614
Cope

>>211834267
He was very good in "The Sympathizer", the new Park Chan Wook series that zero people watched for some reason
Plays multiple different characters, all different variants of the CIA nigger

Eminem was never good. He was in that edgy Limp Bizkit, Kid Rock, Korn era from the late 90s that didn't age well.

>>211842432
It's still perfectly good. It's this time that aged into a bad era.

>>211833915
Wow, good for her. I really assumed since Eminem is such a massive wigger that his daughter would be a BBC fiend

>>211842915
Now tell us what your kids whom you raised so well are getting up to

>>211834212
Having a black love interest in clerks ii ruined it for me

>>211835590
Elton's apparently his AA sponsor. I think there's some backdoor dealings going on with the lavender mafia

>>211838423
No it wasnt

>>211837999
Rap is just pop. Ninety+ percent of music is pop.

>>211840526
Well duh it's rap

>>211833915
LMAO so its true, Amerimutts really get mad if you arent surrounded by niggers.
Thank god the USA is dying.

>>211840526
Sounds like those burger noises that Americans insist is music.

>>211844428
You should have noticed by the fact that Americans unironically listen to rap.
It's a cultureless hellhole full of inferior beings who have no personality beyond buying things.

The only "people" that will miss America will be Israel.

>>211840233
Take a hit of acid immediately to enhance the show, buy ketamine if you find it but save it for after the show because it will probably be the good shit that puts you almost into a hole right away off one bump.

>>211844564
please please name your dogshit country so we can listen to the rap music that definitely is produced there and is definitely listened to by the people that live there.

>>211840731
>shitty roll pills
>literally zonked out of his mind in another universe
are you 12 years old?

>>211843345
They played the Grammys together 15 years ago, which was 10+ years after his last good album.
https://youtu.be/eHD4wW48zZ8?si=G48yRGu-yNQeFv9J

>>211844675
Russia.

>>211834267
He went Vegan I think somewhere around infinity war and aged 10 years in 2. Also once you have ten levels above “fuck you” money, it’s inevitable that you become soft.
>>211838825
Kurosawa, like Daniel Day Lewis, saw himself as an artist and not as a celebrity and didn’t feel the need to stay relevant in pop culture and was always more concerned with mastering his work and constantly progressing and challenging himself. I think that’s the real difference maker. Some people have that artistic integrity, others don’t. They all likely start with some artistic drive, but once they get the ungodly amounts of money, attention, and drugs that all goes to the wayside and they become consumed with their own egos. It’s notable as well that Kurosawa took deliberate hiatuses from working for long stretches of time to practice painting and just generally living a quiet life, DDL famously became a carpenter for the same reasons. Detachment and ego death are essential for good art.

For me it’s the filmography of Guy Ritchie when he was married to Madonna from 2000 - 2008. Shit went right off a cliff when Snatch and Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels were so kino. He’s had some fun films since like the Sherlock movies but there is a lot of retarded schlock like Aladdin.

>>211845028
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWSt6cydQK8&list=PLFmLJftpVWbsq_8ldGuR0YnQ7hdjQBmxh

>>211834443
That's what Houdini was, but then everyone forgot about it a week after.

>>211834432
The character was supposed to be a guy with a massively fragile ego who went on a witchhunt against Oppy for petty reasons, so I'd say it was intentional.
>>211845036
Did he come off it recently? I think he even said straight up that it was horrible for his health.

>>211833678 (OP)
On a technical level he's better than even, it's his voice, flow, and beat selection that puts most people off these days.