Justice edition

dugga doo

No one knows whats happening.

>>211866931 (OP)

>>211866931 (OP)
Why are the animations of the missing episodes so shit? They look like they were made on Flash

>>211868547
The BBC doesn't have the budget for good animation.

Captain Black Harkness

>>211866931 (OP)
My wife Georgette Gold is so based.

doctor who

>>211871644
who eee whoooooo who eee who do do do do do dooooooo

>>211868510
I've finally got round to watching some Second Doctor stories and I really like the lil nigga. He feels like a great fresh take on the character, but you can also see how every other incarnation was inspired by him

Capaldi Series 8 = The First Doctor
>More abrasive and unreliable Doctor who travels with a school teacher. Outfit is more minimal and lacks the eccentricities of the other Doctor's outfits
Capaldi Series 9 = The Second Doctor
>More foolish Doctor and the series ends with him meating the Time Lords. Outfit is more "cosmic hobo" and even included the chequed trousers
Capaldi Series 10 = The Third Doctor
>A Dandy style Doctor who is mainly Earth Bound. He has frequent episodes with The Master and has a male foil (Nardole). His outfit is all velvet and his hair is long

>>211873358
It's funny how the Doctor's inconsistent characterisation generated this cope.

>>211868547
They're better than nothing, fag. I prefer the bad animation to the still reconstructions.

>>211873358
>meating the Time Lords
Ooh err

Two of the most obnoxious pricks in the entire fandom met up (also some other guy I've never heard of)
https://x.com/IanLevine/status/1937146537689407614

Leaked publicity pic for the next special.

>>211868547
The BBC doesn't give a shit and just wants to pump them out to make a quick buck

>>211877278
Is that Dominic Mysterio?

>>211878063
He's the next Doctor.

dr who

>>211873358
Series 8 Capaldi was 6.
Series 9 Capaldi was 7
Series 10 Capaldi was 10

https://www.thetoptens.com/television/favourite-doctors-doctor-who/

Is this list accurate? What kinds of people voted on this?

>>211882259
>What kinds of people voted on this?
The same fucking plebs that think Tennant is the best Doctor

i don't really care for tennant but i feel an urge to defend him due to people screeching about him
i'd probably rank him as about 5th worse doctor

DOCTAH GONNA BUST A CAP IN YO ASS

>>211866931 (OP)
Which companion has the biggest penis?

>>211882895
but remember we had to turn the sonic screwdriver into a TV remote because it looked too much like a gun before!!!!

>>211882907
Clara

>>211883002
Not a male.

>>211882259
That top 10 seems entirely rational.
1, 2, 3, 4, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 and 12 are reasonable Doctors to put in a top 10 if a bit basic.

>>211882895
Was Russel just secretly shitposting? He did something similar in Star Beast where had people dead name the tranny and then said he was only trans because of space interference

>>211883744
I think he's just completely brain damaged by all the gay sex.

>>211882259
Cunts.

>>211883744
Elderly gay progressive whose ideas genuinely were counter-culture in the early 2000s but in 2025 has no understanding of it and just blanket supports everything.
His ham-fisted tranny deadnaming and painful Meep pronoun scene are prime examples of this. He's trying to still be a cool young rebel but he simply isn't anymore.

What up my duggas

>>211882259
>13 and 15 that low
Good to see

>>211882259
It's easy to pick your top 1-3 and bottom 1-3 but much harder to rank all the squillion other ones in the middle

>>211884095
15 is better than a few Doctors.

My rating of the Doctors is mainly based on how much I disagree with other people dickriding them.
12 is a great Doctor, but the amount of people calling him the messiah make me hate him.

>>211884478
The more I see of Troughton, the more I think he might be the GOAT. I like his stroppiness and he has enough fear and cowardice in his portrayal to really sell the monsters (something missing from most of the other Doctors)

>>211884741
I like Colin solely because he gets back to a sense of the Doctor not being an entirely benevolent friend to the companions not seen since early Hartnell.

>>211884478
A contrarian like you sure is posting on the correct website.

>>211884923
It's not contrarianism so much as it's dislike of annoying people. If I have to read another post about someone spaffing in their pants over heaven sent I'll lose it.

>>211884478
Me but with 10

>>211884741
Doctor Who would have been cancelled in the sixties if it weren't for him

>>211884478
You must REALLY fucking hate Tennant then.

To be honest this is a mjoar factor in why I hate his Doctor(s), because the general public got the idea that his doctor was the "correct" doctor and how the doctor "should" be, which is a major factor in why RTD has caused so much fucking damage to the show

>>211885075
Tennant is a fucking gurning spastic who should've been relegated to pantomimes years ago.

>>211885075
Tennant is genuinely hard to rewatch. He feels like a guy doing an impression

>>211884095
Jodie and Ncuti's Doctors won't be remembered well in the future

>>211885191
How that man has somehow been taken seriously as a shakespearean treader of boards still flummoxes me all these years later

>>211885279
I wouldn't be surprised if they're not remembered at all

To be fair, people will have to try and remember like 37 Doctors by then, probably

>>211885075
Nobody in the real world gives a shit about Tennant, he stopped being the doctor a decade and a half ago.
>b-b-b-ut they brough him back so he must still be popular!
RTD's pathetic attempt at reviving his glory days through stunt casting have nothing to do with anything, not only that but the viewership figures reflect this, despite being specials (which historically do well) they didn't even get above Jodie tier rankings.

I agree he ruined what the character should be in many people's eyes though, making him more of a Kdrama figure instead of an eccentric space alien.

>>211885075
Is this how people who made fanzines in the 80s thought about Tom Baker?

>>211885321
My dad yelled out "Fucking hell, not this cunt again!" when Tennant reappeared.

>>211885321
>Nobody in the real world gives a shit about Tennant,
Let me guess, you think the real world prefers Capaldi?

>>211885321

Classic Who Doctor: just some alien guy who stole a time machine and travels around the universe with some earth freinds getting into scrapes and escaping by his wits and the skin of his fucking teeth

New Series Doctor: THE LAST OF HIS KIND the ONCOMING STORM an ETERNAL LEGEND who holds THE POWER OF THE SUN IN HIS HAND and you'd better not make him MAD because he'll COME DOWN ON YOU WITH THE FORCE OF A THOUSAND WINDS and also don't forget THE GREATEST LOVER IN ALL THE SYSTEMS who some how inexpicably keeps falling in love with council estate whores from Earth

>>211885075
Tennant hits all of the broad strokes of what the Doctor should be. But the problem with his Doctor having quite a lot of range is that other Doctors can specialise and do certain aspects better. And some qualities can be pushed to the side.

>>211885341
Nobody with any sense has a bad thing to say about Baker. He was beyond based as the Doctor and his acting was fucking excellent throughout. Tennant couldn't act his way through a nativity play without gurning and chewing the bloody manger.

>>211885568
>Tennant hits all of the broad strokes of what the Doctor should be
Smith > Tennant

>>211885443
When did I say that?
The real world moved on from Doctor Who around S6/S7, it stopped being staple viewing in family homes as Moffat's arcs became too self-congratulatory. Yes, in 2010 everything you were saying about Tennant being loved by the public is true, but so were fucking tamagotchi and the jonas brothers. Time moved on, anon. You're arguing against a 2010 mindset in 2025.

>>211885568
>his Doctor having quite a lot of range
Pfffffftttt.... he ranges from "silly autistic" to "angry autistic"

>>211885601
Nah, Smith's version of acting is flailing his arms around and then pretending to be an old man by letting there be a moment of peace between his quirkiness.

>>211885595
McCoy > Baker

>>211885530
Also the Doctor would never EVER commit an act of violence, he's the ultimate pacifist who just wants peace and love but he's also the highest judge in the world so will torture you in incomprehensible ways if you do something he personally finds morally disagreeable.

>>211885670
McCoy's awesome too.

>>211885629
>2010
>tamagotchi
How do I know you're old?

>>211884017

>>211885629
Nobody in the world gives a shit about Doctor Who right now, when people talk about popular Doctors it's within the context of the show. Because if you didn't then nobody in the real world gives a shit about any Doctors.

>>211885729
Giga-based.

>>211883744
Its funny they make a whole stink about the Meep's pronouns in the episode yet in the Video Commentary they constantly call the Meep "it".

>>211885706
Yeah, I was trying to remember something that was popular then but isn't now as a comparison. Should have gone with Ipod. My point is the same.

>>211885729
The Five(ish) Doctors Reboot > The Curse Of Fatal Death

>>211885802
You can prize my iPod from my cold dead hands, fucking Spotify shill

>>211885905
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wyq418fweNw

>>211885835
Five(ish) Doctors is honestly depressing in retrospect since it reminds you that Peter Davison is stuck with David T*nnant as a son in-law. Atkinson kino wins.

>>211886011
Kevin Eldon is a fucing genius, I'm glad someone else appreciates him too.

But I prefer to own my music, not rent it from some corporation that can take it away from me at any moment, thankyou very much

>>211885646
Most Doctors tend not to have a lot of range. In terms of on screen content, the revival was really the start of the Doctors consistently not stuck to like a single personality trait.

>tfw only Doctor Who fans at work are myself and four other spergies
>only two of us are strictly Classic fans
>the rest are nuWho watchers
Two of them are slowly being converted to Classic thanks to borrowing Big Finish CDs but the last one will not entertain it.

>>211886222
>Big Finish
>Classic
Begone

Kek, I remember people here joking about the Cybermen being ableist, now it's actually a serious discussion on Doctor Who Twitter.

>>211886287
As in listening to Main Range has got them watching Classic episodes, you plum.

>>211886011
Marigold has this disease I'm sure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxvJR7XnADM

>>211886222
Only Classic has the historic staying power that nuWho craves but will never obtain. Big Finish will labour in obscurity and never escape it.

>>211886421
Amelia Bullmore looking spicy there.

Decided to rewatch some nu-who recently.
Finished watching 9's era, only bothered watching the Ood duology, Blink, Family of Blood duology and the River Song duology in David's era.
Came back to series 5 and figured I'd probably be skipping some more episodes but so far Matts first season is a pretty solid run

>>211886553
>Big Finish will labour in obscurity and never escape it.
Which is a shame, because a lot of the Main Range stories are really great.

1>2>3>4>5>6>7>8>9>10>11>12

>>211887024
12 is a bigger number than 1.

>>211886553
Literally the only fans I've spoken to that like nuWho are the ones who grew up with it or never watched the classic series. I don't know anyone that watched the classic series first that likes the revival.

>>211886322
looking forward to Russell declaring that Cybermen are no longer canon and won't be featured on the show anymore due to ableism.

>>211887107
wrong

At the end of the day the only Doctors people will remember when the show is lost to time are the one with the big scarf and the one that wears converse.

>>211887932
>and the one that wears converse.
He'll be lucky.

>>211887932
and the drag queen

>>211887932
>the one with the big scarf and the one that wears converse.
So, Four and Five?

>>211888485
i enjoyed Colin Baker's run on Doctor Who over all but i was really confused how every other episode it seemed like he made up some excuse to dress in drag even if it didn't advance the plot. why did he do that?

>>211888485
You might have to be more specific there.

>>211888550
Five wears cricket shoes.

Why was John Levene (Sgt Benton) in Big Bad Beetleborgs?

>black guy playing Newton - fine
>white woman playing alien who happens to have an Indian name - bad

>>211891401
>the Doctor Who team wanted to cast an Indian actress, acknowledging that "Rani" is a Sanskrit word
we're never getting out of samsara

>>211891401
i fucking hate how self important he sounds with all his SJW bullshit, i can't wait to throw a party when this fat fuck finally dies from whatever combination of STDs is currently rotting his brain

>>211891401
>Only Indians can play The Rani
>Kills off the Indian actress leaving the White Rani alive
What did he mean by this?

>>211891401
She's hot, so I don't really care.

>>211892498
This is my opinion on all woke stuff. Belinda and Martha are good companions. Bill is woke.

>>211892565
nice arse though.

>>211893440
Her arse is not woke but her face is.

>screams good during casting couch sex
>gets hired as susan
>brags about it later whenever asked
Why was Carole such a slut?

>>211895750
What?

>>211896158
See
>>211552538
I thank you for the attention to this matter.

when the weather says to dress for the mid 80's

Doctor Who

>>211898530
Why don't they make clothes like this anymore? Last time I saw something that wasn't a cheap monocolour Bangladeshi i port was 2009.

What's the most intellectual Doctor Who episode?
What's the least?

>>211900669
i'm not British anon so to be honest i have no idea what you're talking about

>>211902086
I imagine clothes in all western countries are cheap third world imports.

>>211901821
Edge of Destruction
Midnight

>>211884478
It's more of a /who/brain thing than anything

What's your actual opinion on Ncuti?

>>211885681
And his morality is suspiciously in-line with the kinds of politics shared by people working for the BBC in 2025, despite the fact that he's from another time and planet, and spends his life rarely staying in one place for very long.

By all accounts, the Doctor should approach 2025 the way that any old person does: confused, and slightly enraged.

>>211907134
He should approach it the same way we look at Romans. i.e: marvelling at their accomplishments and completely dismissing anything they morally disagreed with.
>aquaducts, brain surgery
Wow, they were so advanced, that's crazy.
>slave based society, fucking boys up the ass
It was just something that happened.

That is to say the Doctor should see no moral issue with racism, sexism, ableism, and just accept it as a factor of society at this time.
Basically, like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Blzpa5oyUVg

>>211906604
black and gay

>>211906604
He's anti jew, so that's a positive. I'm also sure he could have been a decent doctor, same with Jodie, had RTD not been a total shitbag. I'm sure both are perfectly decent actors, but were given shit scripts and direction. They were forced to play a caricature, not a character. The doctor wasn't allowed to be a doctor, they were instead written as fetishized stereotypes.

>>211908311
i used to think this too but Boomtown was Moffat just feeding this guy gold and i didn't buy he was playing Doctor Who. there's nothing of Bill Hartnell there, i just don't think he's got it.

>>211908311
>anti-jew
just because it's trendy for vaguely left-wing people to be against israel does not mean they're anti-jew, i bet if you asked him his opinion of ukraine he'd be all for nato shipping weapons to them

>>211908559
Boom was great due to the themes and the concepts but at no point did Ncuti seem like he was playing the Doctor. For me the entire show is Doctorless now. It exists like Torchwood, there's aliens and a plot and a resolution but it doesn't have the Doctor in it.
Same way I felt with Jodie.

>>211908615
A lot of it is how they have completely re-envisioned the Doctor as "everybody's super supportive best friend", as some kind of nuclear overreaction to complaints about Capaldi's Doctor being mean.
It's not the same character. The Doctor is supposed to be kind of rude and disagreeable. Even the first two RTD Doctors were like that.

>>211908984
I've no idea why the doctor being "mean" is so cancerous to audiences. It's not exclusively a nuwho thing either because Colin was hated for the same. At any rate he's never truly mean, just aloof. Watching S8 Capaldi vs S10 feels like character assassination, though they'd probably call it "growth". He goes from "She's my caretaker, she cares so I don't have to." to "Love is always wise, try to be kind :)"

>>211909169
There's definitely a particular kind of fan who just is very childish, and finds comfort in the idea of the Doctor as a beacon of absolute morality (people who need Jesus, basically). Those are half of the people writing for the show now.
And then there's the "Tumblr" portion of the audience who have to shout from the rooftops whenever they think they identify some "toxic masculinity", even though they secretly like it, and just can't admit that to themselves. These are the same people who will watch Nosferatu and go "he's kinda hot tho".

>>211908615
>For me the entire show is Doctorless now
Capaldi was the last Doctor. From Jodie onwards, they've been playing The Timeless Child instead

>>211909318
Or people who watch Handmaid's Tale for "the plot".

>>211909318
They're also hypocritical. The Doctor being a benevolent father figure who perfectly embodies their moral code is good but the "we are all your children" line is bad, despite it solely being a dialogue of what they want the show to be.

desu, so many of the problems are rooted in the "guns bad" stuff, which was like a minor part of Jon Pertwee's chracter, that somehow grew to take over the entire show.
If you actually watch most of the classic series, the Doctor is clearly motivated primarily by scientific curiosity a sheer disagreeableness, not by some kind of one man crusade to set the universe right(but only according to the standards of BBC writers living in the current year).

Rick and Morty basically gets Doctor Who better than Doctor Who does, at this point.

>>211910359
Is Rick and Morty good? I've never watched it, always thought it was for redditors.

What would JNT think of nuwho?

>>211912122
Not gay enough.

>>211881956
I see the other 2 for sure, but how do you get 10 is 10?

>>211884030
Its hilarious because its the same as nu-harry potter, where only smoothbrain consoomers still care, because leftoids see RTD as Rowling-lite who doesnt actually care about young lgbtakdjal people, and everyone here is still annoyed by the constant, failed attempts at virtue signalling.

>>211910359
3 doesn't even hate guns. He has a problem with the shoot first ask questions later attitude of UNIT and the military in general.

>>211911799
it was amusing, and then kind of just kept going.

>>211910359
>Rick and Morty basically gets Doctor Who better than Doctor Who does
And that's how we can yell that you're an American zoomer who glanced at Classic and thinks that he's an expert. Fuck off.

>>211913533
Have you *seen* Doctor Who since capaldi left? It's literally just the gayest thing in the world.

Also, this America seething bit you have makes you look like a fake Englishman. No one does this.

>>211913626
You think gay dildo dragons is peak Doctor Who. You shouldn't even be posting here.

>>211913691
I don't know what that's even in reference to. Take meds.

>>211913704
Your show has an episode dedicated to a gay dragon trying to hook up with men.

>>211913764
I've seen like two episodes.

>>211884017
Pertwee & Baker need their own tier.

doccy who

>>211915331
I enjoy Doccy who sometimes!

>>211910359
Its a RusselWho creation which can work with the greater "I fought in the most horrible war ever" thing that RTD1 had going on but beyond that it's fucking stale.

Which era if the show is the goofiest?

>>211916420
Graham Williams era. Tom Baker clearly isn't taking it seriously any more.

>>211884741
Have you watched his era in order before, though? He was one of my favourites when I was just watching whatever random stories I could get my hands on back in the day, but doing it all together is more of a slog than any other era of the show. As formulaic as its ever been.

>>211917581
The BBC was probably too pleased to trash his episodes considering they had the lowest ratings for the time

let it die.

Christopher Eccleston at a convention in 2021, after RTD was announced as returning showrunner:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZDoJ9k0o0U

doc who

>>211918933
He seems like a nice guy.

>>211918933
>"Russell is a cocksucking nonce."

>>211909169
to be fair Colin was a bit one note during his first stories, particularly with Peri, all he ever did was argue with her. there was no grandfatherly warmth to him at all. it wasn't until like Vervoids when they finally decided to write him some charm and it was like oh, okay, so he's finally playing the Doctor.

>>211910359
the entire point is that the Time War was so awful it changed the Doctor and his morality to make him more of a pacifist and abhor violence. not sure why people keep trotting this old argument out, it's irrelevant.

>>211909169
The Doctor should have a certain level of baseline charm. That grouchiness and his arrogance can be a part of his charm, but when the writers set out to make the Doctor meaner it almost always feels like it's OOC because they don't quite know how to strike the right balance. Like how 12 was a regression of the Doctor's character that they spent the entirety of his era trying to fix. Needing cue cards to talk to people? Fuck off.

>>211909169
They tried something different in S8 with Capaldi and I quite liked the change. Then they changed course. S10 was Moffat high on his own farts. Just look at what he did to the first Doctor’s characterisation in Twice Upon a Time.

>>211906604
Like Jodie, he was miscast. He’s not a bad actor as such, but very few *very good* actors could do this role justice. The main requirement is that you have to come across as the smartest guy in the room, which he wasn’t able to do. A lot of this may be down to the writing, but he just didn’t feel like the same character played by Tom Baker, Eccleston, Capaldi etc.

>>211908559
They're not supposed to be like Hartnell.

>>211919614
People greatly exaggerate the degree to which Capaldi is "mean" anyway. What he is is crotchety, and somewhat removed from human delicacy (as if he's some kind of alien or something). He's not quite so averse to outright killing an enemy or pointing a gun around, which is also just how the Doctor should be as a character. That's just taking the smallest step away from the kid gloves approach of most of NuWho.

Are people just mad about Kill The Moon? He was literally correct in that episode. He did not have the moral authority to make that decision for Earth. No more than he has the moral authority to stop a wild animal preying on another animal to prolong it's own life. Frankly a "meaner" character would have killed the moon creature without question, in order to save the planet he has an emotional connection to. That would have been a selfish act.

https://x.com/JboiHQ/status/1937236992942817285?t=M9ybD8Pblw8yMkCinsuoRQ&s=19

>>211921417
Dear me, no. No, I don't think so.

Can Doctor Who ever be truly great for a consistent time when changing settings and characters often is part of it?

>>211921417
This is one of the cases where it's actually morally justifiable, since you're using AI to restore things that were lost and (hopefully), not putting new words in dead men's mouths.
Still looks a bit shit tho. Maybe give it another ten years, Ian.

>>211922100
Give it 100 years.

> millenials pissed and shat and farted and squirted and vomited and and screamed in pure heartstopping, unfiltered, psych-destroying, blood-freezing bone-chilling spin-tingling dread at pic related

>>211916141
It's not entirely an RTD creation. It's more a kind of half remembered "folk wisdom" version of what old Doctor Who was.
No he doesn't "carry a gun", and he tries to solve things with his mind and his words, but that's because he's a scientist. It's not because he harbours some personal morality that absolutely forbids the firing of a gun. That's just not the character.
It's kind of like if you brought back Captain Picard and said he was a character who never kills, and never dabbles in military operations. What do you mean? Of course he does.

>>211922239
I was a child and it wasn't scary.

>>211922250
> ahhhhhh a cast member taking a photo with a disabled person!
If you posted this for the sake of mockery for some weird reason, then I strongly suggest blowing your brains out

>>211922250
i would really, really struggle dealing with a lot of the disabled/autistic fans these shows get.

>>211922239
The computer messed her up.

>>211922311
Very accepting viewpoint you've got there.

>>211922290
> I w-w-was a ch-ch-child and it w-w-wasn't sc-scary!

>>211919283
The Time War is a bollocks plot device that just meant RTD could jettison any piece of old continuity he didn't feel like dealing with.
I don't believe that at any point was Doctor Who seriously recontextualised as a show about a man dealing with war trauma. It's still the "silly alien man goes on adventures" show, at it's core.

>>211921205
not what i said retard-kun

>>211922431
Ok then.

Watching The Mind of Evil and The Doctor is talking about his close personal friend Mao Zedong. Based???

>>211922100
i think the problem is they're trying to do a one size fits all approach of using 1 AI, 1 model, 1 program to do EVERYTHING when really you'd want to use real animation/editing programs and just use the AI generatively, as in, to create the pieces of the episode you need.

but that's a much more time consuming process than hitting 1 button so they'll never do it

>>211921417
>Ian Levine is a kike
>reanimating the dead, and poorly at that, to stroke himself off with praise for his birthday
Why am I not surprised?

>>211922718
Laziness > work. That's why we're here!

>>211882907
Rose 2 obviously.

Doctor Who... is shit.

>>211921417
Who is this supposed to be?

>>211923354
OMG Patrick Troughton! My 7th favourite Doctor!

>>211891401
Then he proceeds to give the Indian character the name "Belinda".

>>211891763
It allowed him to virtue signal in the press. That's what he meant by it.

>>211922707
nobody knew he was a baddie yet.

The Beatles' track 'Revolution' received an update later on, after they realised the hippies SUPPORTED communism. but nowadays everyone just plays the original version.

>>211921417
>>211922100
>it's actually morally justifiable
doesn't even need 'justifying'.

>Nothing like using the reanimated corpses of people who died 40 to 50 years ago to pat (and bill) yourselves on the back for all the ghoulish work you’re doing
Jesus fucking Christ, people are insane. they did that Galaxy chocolate advert with 'Audrey Hepburn'. does it matter if it's 3D modellers with reference photos, or if a piece of software automates it all?

to this day we have stock caricatures, if a cartoon includes someone doing a Peter Lorre impression, nobody says, 'he only died 60 years ago you SICK FUCK'

>>211921345
I think the show just mishandled 12 in Series 8. You really get the feeling that some of the writers didn't know how to write this new Doctor. His behaviour was a little too jarring sometimes. Series 8 might actually be my favourite Capaldi series on the whole, but I always felt like the good man arc was a little bit forced. There's good moments in it, but sometimes it felt like the equivalent of Hitler kicking the dog in Look Who's Back to show that this Doctor wasn't afraid to be morally grey at best. The show just blatantly signalling the arc.

still don't get how 'Kill the Moon' is meant to be this horrible episode.
the Earth's core is a spider lady. hell, several episodes ended with "it was Earth, all along!" even in classic.

it didn't ruin anything with a change/retcon, the actual story was just fine to watch. when i think of bad stories it's utter wank like 'Fear Her'.

>>211922250
Damn, that nigga needs some sun cream.

>>211923712
There's a point to be made that say digitally animating John Wayne to do a silly dance and sing about how he supports trans rights, would be disrespectful to the man, since he wouldn't have liked it.

On the other hand, I think Hartnell and Troughton would be happier if a lot of the material they worked on wasn't destroyed, and could still be enjoyed by people.

>>211915638
Jodie is lovely, shame her Doctor is complete crap.

>>211882957
>We don't want the first black Doctor to often look a bit like he's pointing a gun at people
>But if the situation actually calls for a gun-type thing, we're going all in.

>>211924195
we don't have any proof that Audrey Hepburn liked Galaxy chocolate. she could have been more of a Cadbury's girl.

>>211924133
The mechanics of it are pretty silly. But that's kind of not the point. The point is the moral question, which is interesting, and a perfectly legitimate thing to try to approach.
The copout that the creature immediately just lays another egg was lame, admittedly. Clara should have actually killed the moon, and then we should have gotten a somber "I don't blame you" kind of ending, before they both moved on.

>>211924133
Do you have any idea how catastrophic it would be for the moon to just disappear and then reappear like that? Never mind how a newborn creature instantly laid an egg bigger than itself.

The overall premise with the Doctor fucking off and forcing humans to deal with their own problem was actually good, but the execution was so fucking bad. All you need is a small change to the ending to salvage it, though:

>the main cause of the dilemma of the episode is that they assume the moon will hatch like a chicken egg and be destroyed, leaving earth with no moon
>in the end, they decide not to kill the creature
>the creature surprises them by not breaking the moon apart at all, instead it safely burrows its way out, leaving the moon intact

That would fix the episode. Making the moon break apart completely and then magically get replaced with an identical copy was fucking stupid.

>>211886322
>serious discussion
No.

>>211924429
>Clara should have actually killed the moon, and then we should have gotten a somber "I don't blame you" kind of ending
This could also work as a fix, it would add even more weight to Clara being pissed at the Doctor abandoning her because she was left to make an impossible choice and isn't sure she made the right one.

>>211924426
I'm not saying it was right to make that Audrey Hepburn advert.
I even feel it was below the belt to infer that the First Doctor era of DW was written and acted in by flagrant misogynists, when they did Twice Upon a Time. It may be "funny", but you're also taking shots at people who aren't around to defend themselves, and basically smearing their memory. In all honesty, it's wrong to do that.

>>211891401
>The right heritage
Somebody put Rusty in the care home now.

>>211886322
I guess it could be considered ableist in a sense, but it's really speaking to a fear about losing our humanity to transhumanism rather than calling the man who got a pacemaker an emotionless husk of what was once human.

>>211924348
he should have held it sideways and been like "ayo omega imma finna pop a cap in your white ass"

>>211924628
I agree, there are going to be people who believe that the 1st Doctor was exactly like that in his era instead of just a kooky old man.

>>211908562
I find it hard to believe that the likes of Corbyn is just coincidentally anti-Israel and anti-jew.

>>211922250
The Upside (2017)

>>211923354
Patrice Troutman

>>211924922
Eh, I don't think he's anti-Jew.
I think he's probably naive and either doesn't acknowledge a disproportionately large amount of the ruling class he rages against is Jewish or simply thinks it's irrelevant.

>>211924133
wasn't it because it was a poor metaphor for abortion but accidentally made a pro-life argument?

>>211925109
Lefties object to Israel on the grounds that they perceive it as a white colonialist state, and a vassal of America.

>>211925178
I'm talking about the Jews in the ruling class of Western states.

Watching Doctor Who and the Silurians rn. Kino af.

>>211868547
The Invasion is good. Fury from the Deep is unwatchable dogshit.

>>211925237
Those are just "rich white people" as far as the left is concerned. They have completely disengaged from the frame of seeing race, unless it's to somehow frame white people as the bad guys.

>>211925350
The opposite is true. The left see race more than any group of people on the planet. I remember reading reddit after Dot and Bubble. Half of the comments were along the lines of "I knew something was up because all the people were white.", I hadn't noticed that, as I assume no sane person would have. But to them racial homogeneity is a thing to either be cautious of if it's Europeans or in a state of delirium about if it's black people.

>>211925314
>Fury from the Deep
That was the nail in the coffin for me. I don't see why I should pay for animated recons that are vastly inferior to fan-made works on Youtube.
https://youtu.be/nCkftxej5yg?si=iZe_a3q85AZUWk34

>>211922707
Wait until you find out about this
https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Closing_the_Account_(short_story)

>>211925509
They see race selectively. They see it only when they can blame white people for something.

TOTAL MOON DEATH

>>211925928
>I'm Doctor Clara, time for your prostate exam.

>>211925832
I disagree. They see race in everything. It's the reason they respond best to shows with a smorgasbord of every different race under the sun. In their minds this superficial act of inclusivity justifies their belief that all races can interact together in harmony. Of course, they live in a 100% white gated community and would never dream of living next to someone who wasn't, but if they can watch Doctor Who and see black people, Indian people, Pakistani people, why can't people in East London accept motorbike gangs are part and parcel of living in a big city, or people in Bradford's kids could have been raped by ANY ethnicity?
https://youtu.be/3LWXpIZ130s?feature=shared&t=14

>>211925509
>I hadn't noticed that
RTD said that if you didn't notice all the people were white then you're racist.

>>211891401
SAAR

>>211924133
This episode has what I call "Exposition uncanny valley". It has a train of thoughts very carefully explained and every step of it is stupid. the moon gained mass because it's an egg, but eggs don't work that way. The giant egg has giant fleas etc. Sleep No More has the same problem. Runaway Bride is just one step of logic - ancient powerful race went dormant and then rocks stuck to it and formed Earth.

It also forces a moral dilemma on us that is a big cop out.

>>211926937
Why would a man whose shirt says “Genius at Work” spend all of his time watching a children's show?

What is the Doctor Who equivalent of Gobbledy goo?

>>211927772
A white male doctor.

>>211927772
VNA level dark.

>>211927772
Damn, the guy who made this got PTSD from being accused of liking cape shit and took it into his dreams.

>>211927083
It's not a children's show though.

>>211882895
The Doctor has been gunning down villains since Troughton (since Hartnell if you count the novelization of The Gunfighters), the faggy historical revisionism about the Doctor being a pacifist started in the wilderness years.

>>211927946
VNA? What does that mean?

>>211927994
PTSD? What does that mean?

>>211928229
Is google down?

>>211928180
Virgin New Adventures novels
(In)famously grimdark by DW standards

It's up
https://youtu.be/xzjRoyVwX0I?si=A3d4tSQXhBpUffzX

I have no idea who this eceleb is.

DW? What does that mean?

NL? What does that mean?

BBC? What does that mean?

>>211928414
RTD's husband.

>>211928472
Dorch Wood

>>211928593
Ncuti Lover

>>211928617
Big Blue Capaldi

>>211928290
tl;dw

Can someone who didn't watch S1 as a kid tell me whether it's good or not? I just rewatched Father's Day and it is kino af, but I'm not sure how much of that is nostalgia.
https://youtu.be/nYR2BSQyJRg?feature=shared&t=77

>>211928290
ts;dw

>>211924429
>>211924618
Clara is morally perfect, though.

i'm still mad they dropped the Rose-potentially-has-ulterior-motives thing. Adam did, after a couple of episodes, sure. bit of a foil.
but the whole 'Father's Day' thing was interesting, would have given her a bit of a character arc, instead by the Tennant series she's just the same the entire way through. i guess she gets more and more magic as time goes on.

(any 'groomed to be the perfect assistant' shit sounds horrible though, just make them normal people with flaws.)

>>211930743
Self preservation is beyond morality, which is kind of the point.

>>211930922
not really. self-sacrifice is drama writing on easy mode.
in fact it's not even just fiction, people do it IRL all the time. maybe you're a cool jaded psychopath, but your superego would override your id for SOMETHING (pushing a child out the way of a lorry).

>>211931114
If it's my planet or some space monster that has to die, I'm killing the space monster. There's no right or wrong moral position on this, you simply have to try to survive, and to protect what you care about.

>>211928290
Why do they insist on shunning anyone who dislikes post-2017 Who
The Doctor Who fandom acts like fucking Jehovah's Witnesses

>>211931245
people would disagree with you.

hell, read these people's stance:
https://www.vhemt.org/
>The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement

exactly how it sounds. tl;dr: don't breed, return Earth to nature. (they aren't proposing genocide or anything).
no external forces required.

Know what makes me laugh? The way the first couple of revival series were shot and edited somehow ended up making it feel more dated than the classic stuff. It's like bloody Hollyoaks or something.

>>211931906
They're a destructive presence to the rest of us, and should end themselves before they end up hurting someone else.

>>211877466
The BBC doesn't even want to pay for episodes that exist in private hands (like the guy with Evil of the Daleks Part 6), or even assuage film collectors that they're not going to Monkhouse them, when they had the obscene arrogance to destroy millions of £s worth of their own marketable library in the first place.

>>211928290
Unlisted so how did you get this?

Greenis is a lot better than Andies. Map props!

So what was the deal with the whole spoons thing again?

For me, it's the Special Weapons Dalek.

>>211932840
;)

>>211933113
Mad props!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sayeRgnLK7o

>>211926054
oooh doctor clara, please make me fail my prostate exam... i want to take it again and again!

>>211928290
who the fuck is joe

People on /who/ are bullies. Let's campaign for kindness! Challenge: Compliment a Doctor Who fan.

>>211933323
Joe Mama

>>211933412
Mad props!

https://x.com/IanLevine/status/1937538519624282406
>I find it sickening and utterly beneath contempt that two wonderful young Doctor Who fans should be so criticised online for coming to my birthday party. You malevolent trolls how fucking dare you. How dare you poison fresh young minds just because you hate me. You make me vomit.

>>211933558
Mad props!

>>211933728
Thanks for quoting it so I don't have to look! Now tell me how to think about this.

>>211932268
i'm guessing "haha you first!" is something they hear all the time.
i don't think it has to be as absolute as extinction, but i'd support voluntarily having fewer kids. weird how that's always framed as a negative in the press. i WANT more resources for future generations.

if it came to a space egg i'd say do whatever you can to not kill the space egg. a lot of the time it's bullshit, but Doctor Who has a habit of introducing these moral quandaries then all of a sudden there's some interruption or a third way comes along. no need to worry about touching those wires any more, or the Time War genocide thing just didn't happen (it's all false memories now!).

shitty writing, imo. even little kids understand this stuff, it doesn't have to be dark and miserable, the First Doctor quite directly killed people and that was considered a victory, basically heroic.

>>211934308
The whole "have less kids" thing is delusional.
You know who is going to listen to that advice? People who care about the Earth. You know who wont listen? Everyone else.
So, the handful of people who give a shit about the Earth are attempting to save the Earth by removing themselves from it, defacto handing it over to the bastards, who will breed like rabbits, strip mine everything, and shoot the last of the elephants for sport.
Utter retards.

>>211934654
as well as basic human greed, just a few people ruining it for everyone, you also have the obvious religious/cultural divides.

i'm not a racist but i'd say here in Britain, you could draw some pretty obvious lines between people who will have fewer kids on secular/financial/pragmatic grounds, and people who will have massive families no matter what.

>>211934874
Yes, and caring about the environment is very much a white middle class pass-time.
If you want the environment to be preserved, you need more white middle class people to exist.
The fucking Chinese aren't going to do it.

>>211928290
>>211933728
Be kind to (You)r fellow chuds

>>211935252
It really is insane how Tharries managed to memory hole the time he used to act like Bowlestrek

>>211934939
at this stage in my life it's just too macro. i'll recycle if it helps avoid some landfill in England, sure, but i can't do anything about industrial levels of waste.

but as a nation if resources are stretched thin (and yes we should tax billionaires and all that) it would be nice if our little island had a population half its size. instead of it constantly growing. "the fertility rate is down! the population won't replace itself in a generation!" good? what am i missing, here?

doctor who is gay

>only seven Troughton arcs are fully intact
>two of them are shite
I fucking hate the BBC.

>>211935437
>what am i missing, here?
Number must go UP! UP UP UP!!! Downsizing is not an option!

>>211935252
>"What's Tharries done wrong?"
>"Well he upset ME personally!"

>>211887291
>I'll be back, in Iron Man 1x1

>>211935252
What's "questionable" about hanging out with some podcast guy?

>Belinda is now a single mom
Will her boobs get even bigger?

>>211935437
There's no point saying "stop having kids", if people are just going to come over in boats and have five times more kids than you're having.

>>211936550
Is this the reboot version of Robot?

>>211922707
It was supposed to be Maos grand father but the line got cut. A bunch of scenes got cut like a on location shoot at a real military base, and the ambassadors had a bigger roles in episode 3.

>>211936550
You should ALSO stop the boats, dumbass.

>>211936817
Do that first.

>>211923587
>he was a baddie
How???

>>211937255
Chairman Mao?

>>211937338
Yeah.

>>211937255
got everyone to kill sparrows to save crops.
sparrows stop eating bugs.
bugs ate crops.
(just according to keikaku.)

>>211937602
Central government said insects and birds were effecting harvests (true)
Local government retards decided to kill sparrows.
At no point did Mao tell them to kill sparrows and even if he had retardation =/= evil.
Evil would be something like Churchill starving Bengalis or Thatcher purposefully causing unemployment to stabilize the inflation rate.

>>211937767
you're parroting some Twitter talking points here, anon.
Churchill closed the pits in Tonypandy. that's something that happened HERE. in the UK. no need to resort to some foreign policy/'he was a bit racist' thing.

>>211937898
Millions of Bengalis died because of him. It wasn't a case of him being racist, I don't give a shit about that, but I do think deliberately causing millions of preventable deaths is evil.

>>211938115
i'm against imperialism, so i still think Tonypandy was worse.

>>211938473
Whatever. The point is Mao wasn't evil.

>>211938532
he starved millions of Chinese people.

>>211938649
>Chinese
>people

So when is the next season coming out?

>>211938768
i was as shocked as you are.

>>211932416
>when they had the obscene arrogance
It was just the natural way of things back then. There was nothing arrogant about it. Back then there was no such thing as a "marketable library".

>>211938910
next year. 2026 marks the 63rd anniversary of Doctor Who, a show that came out in '63.

rumour is it's going to bring together Chav Rose, Bad Wolf, and Regeneration Blonde Girl, in a special called ' The Three BIllies'. but you didn't hear it from me ;-)

>>211938649
That was local governments competing for quotas.

>>211939013
> rumour is it's going to bring together Chav Rose, Bad Wolf, and Regeneration Blonde Girl, in a special called ' The Three BIllies'.
As long as they make them all scissor each other that's fine by me

Regenerate
>>211939306

>>211938910
Anon...

>>211939120
man i don't want to see billie's plastic grandma cunt

>>211939120
very odd how Jodie Whittaker is the longest-running NuDrWho, and yet she didn't get a topless/implied-nude/outright-sexual moment like the others. closest we had was a potential lesbian attraction that never went anywhere.

i thought the show was all modern and sexy now? wouldn't be progressive to have her just wandering about the TARDIS in her bra, not giving a fuck because she's an alien?