Why do we dislike these films again?

>Why
Fag.
>we
FAGGOT!

>>211877310 (OP)
because /tv/ is allergic to liking good things

they're good enough as standalone scifi movies but very, very bad Dune adaptations

also Zendaya is a really bad actor. She plays the same Gen Z American girl whether she's spider-man's girlfriend or comes from a distant planet

>>211877310 (OP)
The terrible pacing and bad casting. Worth a watch tho.

>>211877310 (OP)
Lynch cultists

>>211877310 (OP)
I watched DUNC 1 and 2 recently and thought they were pretty great. I haven't read the books though.

>>211877310 (OP)
i just find them boring

>>211877310 (OP)
Went to see the first one in theaters. Snuck my flask in, got drunk and fell asleep. Had no interest in seeing the second.

>>211877310 (OP)
Contrarianism.

the hand of god be my witness, i am the voice from the outer world. I will lead you to paradise

>>211877310 (OP)
>paul this is blue cheese dipping sauce, I said ranch.

>>211877310 (OP)
They weren't bad, but Zendaya ruined every scene she was in.

>>211877310 (OP)
1 = vibes, the start of world building. 2 = pageantry & vibes-driven hangout before spectacle setpieces. Story/character dynamics NIL.

>>211877515
>they're good enough as standalone scifi movies but very, very bad Dune adaptations
This seems to be happening a LOT. They're creatively bankrupt and don't like the risk of making new properties. They take existing brands with name recognition and make something barely similar then slap on the recognizable label. Old fans are pushed away as it becomes a pale shadow of itself losing everything that made it popular in the first place. New "fans" don't put much thought into it, they just know it was popular at some point, so it must be good enough for them too!

>>211877515
>>211880619
its not zendaya's fault. the script is just bad and chani's character is poorly written. no actress would have made this writing good

>>211882151
Yes, the script and character were bad, but she made it so much worse with her dumb frowny expressions and grating zoomer voice. Atrocious actress.

>No cultural relevance

>>211877310 (OP)
They are only good together. If you watch either of them standalone, they're garbage. I know that should be obvious but the first one was very underwhelming and if you watched the second one years after without rewatching the first one ahead of it, you probably ended up disliking them.

>>211877515
Id say mediocre. The meme casting choices like Zendaya, Pugh, and Walkin are what really sunk it tbough

>>211882745
Pugh and Walken are good. Zendaya is whatever.

>>211877310 (OP)
They buttrape the source material in the ass, mainly Zendaya Chani. Chani is meant to be ride or die for Paul. Zendaya Chani seemingly can't stand Paul and tries to undermine him at every turn. Also more pointless Hollywood redhead erasure by turning the redheaded Harkonens in to balds.

>>211877310 (OP)
Because this shithole board is infested with Gen X manchildren who haven't moved on mentally from early 20's in any way
see also:
>endless Sopranos and The Wire threads
>nonstop seething about Star Wars

>>211882783
Pugh is too ugly to be Irulan. Walken is fine.

>>211877310 (OP)
They feel sterile and lifeless. A lot of that is down to Tim and Zendaya probably. I think something halfway between Dunc and Lynch’s Dune would be really perfect.

Bladerunner 2049 was Villynuvy’s only truly good movie imo, that had a lot more vitality and life to it for some reason.

>>211882867
She's only lacking a little attractiveness to properly play her and the costumes make up for it.

there is literally nothing good about them

>>211883179
Her pig face isn't that bad, her fridge body is the problem. Hollywood needs to stop trying to psy op us in to thinking Pugh is hot when she is so mid.

>>211883179
is this actually how she looks in the movie? what kind of retard would defend that?

>>211882933
Blade Runner is much more sterile and much worse generally. Dismissing Arrival like that also doesn't speak for you.

>>211882783
I usually like Walken but his performance in Dune was very forgettable. He phoned it in.

>>211883282
Hollywood starlets were always mid.
>>211883320
>is this actually how she looks in the movie?
Depending on the scene, yes.
>what kind of retard would defend that?
Someone smarter than you.

>>211883397
Arrival was insanely lame and gay.

Blade Runner and 2049 by extension has a streak of humanity and hope within it that resonates with human nature, probably a holdover of PKD

Dune in contrast has a more core message about civilizational structures which doesn’t translate as well to film and which is intentionally buried by Hollywood anyway

>>211882867
Pugh is strange. She should be moderately attractive at least but there is something repulsive about her. She's not a patch on Virginia Madsen or that cute little minx who played Irulan in the Sci-Fi Channel show.

>>211883549
>>211883397
>>211882933
the main thing bringing Bladerunner 2049 is that it turns into a fanficiton sequel halfway through. Once Harrison Ford appears, the movie goes downhill but it's just barely saved by the main character.

>>211877310 (OP)
Too dour, unlikable characters, unpleasant political undertones

>>211880757
This is what audiences demand though. They don't want something different. They want the thing they liked before, but with new paint (and the paint shouldn't be too different either).

>>211883549
Arrival is pronatalism propaganda and is all about will. The will to give birth to someone you know will die ahead of you. The will to make a handshake with destiny.

Blade Runner is almost bereft of human emotion. What little wimper there is becomes negligible before the uncaring architectural abominations that fill its world's skies.

Having read Dune up to Messiah, I'm not even sure there is a core message. I view it as a coming of age young adult novel about a princeling having to face an impossible situation and later bearing the consequences of his choices.

>>211883530
that outfit is literally designed to make her ugly. if you think that's a good idea then you're unironically troon-level sick in the head.

>>211883994
> Having read Dune up to Messiah, I'm not even sure there is a core message. I view it as a coming of age young adult novel about a princeling having to face an impossible situation and later bearing the consequences of his choices.

Really? Theres several pretty blatant themes. Generally it’s a condemnation of social engineering and man making his own fate/destiny, the idea that humans could ever be capable of generating a perfect utopia or having absolute control is depicted as absurd. It’s also a commentary on feminine vs masculine power structure; the Bene Gesserit control reproduction and manipulate on a social level through indirect influence (women) but ultimately bend to the will of a patriarch who can actually exert his will directly and dominantly.

>>211884098
It's designed to make her look desirable, in the way she bares both skin and fangs. Like a pussy lure in a bear trap.
It fits the context facing Muad'Dib.
She wears other outfits throughout the film as well, as I stated prior.

>>211884156
I don't think any of those things were treated conclusively, except perhaps the anti-eugenics position.

>>211884408
if you think a dress making a woman look square is "designed to make her look desirable", then you are literally fucking retarded.

>>211877310 (OP)
>awful zoomsloppa
>muttdaya

>>211884487
I don't think you have the brains for this conversation.

>>211877310 (OP)
they're good.
shame about zendaya and kynes though.

>>211882151
I wouldn't want to work with that autistic frog either but Zendaya and Timothee both just speak like regular people with modern day casualness when they're both relatively formal and serious people.

>>211884639
That dress does not make her look good at all. Compare it to how good pic related looks on Rebecca.

>>211880757
Yes it's like Boeing & Craftsman with parts outsourced to other countries with poor Q&A. We keep paying for the familiar brand name, but the parts/quality aren't there anymore.

>>211885022
*QC

>>211884865
Yeah, that was annoying. They sounded like modern day zoomers rather than people from cultures millenia into the future. Most of the other cast members at least made the effort to sound theatrical.

>>211884915
It's a different scenario. She is there to offer herself to Paul for political gain. Again, her outfit reveals skin, especially in the belly area, it does guard her and even threaten with its spikes. It serves a distinct purpose.

>>211884475
The themes are just confused and all over the place, or hopelessly outdated
>charismatic leaders are...le bad, according to the charismatic leader who solves everything
>muh dependence on middle east oil, surely this will be as relevant in 2025 as it is in 1975

>>211885140
I get the point of the spikes, but only a masochist would find that attractive.

>>211885351
Not necessarily, no. I'd say it's more of a playing hard to get thing. There's something thrilling in being the one peeling back the barbed wire she's clad herself in.