>Disney's Pixar saw its worst-ever box office debut over the weekend with its sci-fi adventure film "Elio" earning just $21 million domestically after reportedly spending at least $250 million on production and marketing.

Why did Elio flop?

>>211887611 (OP)
brown protag

who cares do you have nothing else to worry in your life? when your time comes, will you remember your life and think, at least I discussed poor performance of a disney film with anonymous retards? fucking hell, get some dignity

>>211887611 (OP)
Animation lost all it’s edge and ambition once tumblerinas entered the field

I've never even heard of Elio before today. Maybe the reason why movies flop is because advertising just isn't able to reach people.

>>211887657
this

>>211887803
Now call him an incel.

>>211887611 (OP)
>calarts designs
>everyone is brown
>fake disability
>zomg autism
>rips off 80s movie plots
Weak effort deserves a weak return on investment

>>211887803
yeah, but why did it flop?

>>211887611 (OP)
It was made for brown people.

>>211887657
fpbp

>>211888617
I really wonder what goes on at the helm, at those big executive meetings
>yeah we bombed AGAIN but come on man the mesage is more important... another 200 million please?

>>211888617
grim

>>211888706
>I really wonder what goes on at the helm, at those big executive meetings

>>211887803
You're regretting spending all your disposable income on Disney aren't you?

>>211889480
Yes but then the finance gigajew comes in and states that you've lost 5 billion dollars by releasing 6 shit movies in a row, so how is that bitch convincing the executive council to follow her strategy?

>>211887611 (OP)
I told my sister that this movie bombed when a commercial was on for it and she said it’s because it had a cripple protagonist and kids hate cripples, also that the main character should have been white

>>211889658
Whining, crying and sucking

>>211888617
are these the real numbers? that's insanely stark
why do they keep doing this?
encanto and wish also ate shit with brown MCs

>>211887611 (OP)
Disney doesn't even make movies for kids anymore, they make movies for millennial redditor women who consume media that's about as complicated as things for kids are

>>211889658
The US government pays Hollywood studios to produce globohomo-friendly products, regardless of whether or not they turn a profit.

>>211887611 (OP)
Maybe don’t reshoot a movie and balloon the budget to $250 million?

You can’t expect every animated movie to make bank, especially an original IP.


Disney should have either A) not shot the movie and release it as is or B) just write off the movie off as a tax write off. I know the latter is controversial but it is better to take a small hit than a larger one.

>>211888617
go woke go broke

A fag fat gay kid?

>DreamWorks laziness when it comes to character designs
>no appeal to anyone anymore
>literally no clue what the fucking movie is about

Gee, it's a mystery

>>211889742
based sister

why don't they make a cgi movie with pawgs

>>211889658
Their hatred of you and your people outweigh their love of money.

>>211888617
Literally collapsed the moment 2020 happened. There was a period in the 2010s where Disney could release whatever they wanted, and guarantee $750 million MINIMUM.

>>211888617
total pixar death

>>211887803
NOW say it again holding your gut in with diq in hand

>>211887611 (OP)
hi pixar executives.
stop making third world ugly dogshit.
sack all the dykes, feminists, trannies, faggots and third worlders. employ talented eurogene men.
there, I just saved/made you billions

>>211887611 (OP)
Elio was worse than lightyear and onward? I never even heard of this movie

>>211887611 (OP)
>Why did Elio flop?
It bombing was the first time I ever heard of this movie

>>211887803
how does OP talking about box office performance affect you personally?

>>211892529
They literally owned 75% of the box office year over year for like ten years. Competing studios learned all the wrong lessons and killed off IP left and right trying to get a cinematic universe, and without competition and fat from their own spoils they can't justify inflating budgets any more because it becomes mathematically impossible to break even after a certain point.
And audiences get bored, they have very short attention spans, but even the most screen addicted moron will eventually get desensitized.

>>211894296
They remade a big percent of the movie, it ended up being 2-3 times more expensive then it was supposed to be.

>>211894591
maybe they should have remade it into something good

>>211887611 (OP)
>Why did Elio flop?
Disney chose marketing Lilo and Stitch over Elio, which was definitely the safe bet, but it seems to have backfired.

I'm thinking tax write-off. Maybe not at first, but after throwing so much money at it they figured it'd be better than hoping for success.

>>211887913
I don't remember when I first heard of it, but I remember assuming it was already out. Maybe I was thinking of Luca. Or Coco. Or Encanto.

>>211894662
The real reason it flopped is because they spent $100M more than was needed to make it. It's a common strategy in modern hollywood to vastly overspend on production and still get a piece of shit as a finished product. That's what happens when you hire for inclusion instead of hiring for talent.

>>211887611 (OP)
disney fatigue

>>211894659
sunk costs
but don't ask me man, I'm not a studio head

>>211887657
why do the brown audience not show up for brown pixar protags?
why do pixar still market to them if they don't show up?

>>211894591
It sounds like they basically "fired" the original director by putting him to work on Coco 2 instead of Elio. I wonder what the circumstances were, maybe he just wouldn't accept any notes or criticism and was fucking the movie by wanting it the way he wanted it.

>>211895064
Sure but back before Disney took over you would actually get real marketing for the movies, you'd get Monster's Inc Branded chip bags and Incredibles Jello. I have seen Stitch branded garden tools at Home Depot and nothing Elio branded anywhere in any store, Disney obviously dumped some money into marketing one movie over the other.

>>211887803
this is a board for film and television

>>211895166
I mean its not like a director of an animated movie can just fuck off and go rogue like a film director. They're not doing anything without a ton of oversight.
I have a feeling it was more a culture shift after other products had started flopping and they realized they needed to make some drastic changes.

>>211895205
mom does the shopping on her phone, kids don't need to see the Disney-Branded-Froot-Snax in the aisles and beg for them.

>>211895130
Brown here.
It's disingenuous even for us.
Imagine a movie made in yugoslavia about the day to day life or a person who lives in toronto? They live thousands of miles away, their culture is different, their language is different, their livelyhood is different.
It comes off tone deaf.
But how can it be fixed? Build a studio from the ground up in the brown country, teach people from the brown country how to animate? No.
This is why social media will kill off old media, because it's made by the real people, blacks, whites, browns, asians
You can find good quality brown people animation online

>>211895337
But the movie was originally his idea, when he was a little brown kid and feelings of alienation or whatever. I think you'd be surprised the amount of leeway they give senior creative types at places like Pixar. That's why the movies have such massive budgets even though they all look the same and are just made on computers in a building somewhere. They'll spend years just fucking around. The higher-ups will basically let you get your shot to do what you want; but if "your movie" bombs then you will get axed in the next round of layoffs. Look at what happened with the director of Lightyear.

>>211895384
True enough, should have just paid Mr Beast $10 million to pretend to watch Elio.

>>211888617
>wokeslop makes least money
>movie with hot mom makes most money
whats the connection here

>>211895616
mark kermode liked it
kids like kermode, right?

>>211887657
THIS

>>211895616
/Our guys/!

>>211895337
They had to “make Reilly less gay” for Inside Out so they probably cut out gay shit here too. There were probably whole characters they had to remove because of grooming allegations.

>>211888706
>yeah we bombed AGAIN but come on man the mesage is more important... another 200 million please?
I really don't know why their shareholders haven't sued yet.

>>211887803
>when your time comes, will you remember your life and think, at least I discussed poor performance of a disney film with anonymous retards?
Yes.

>>211895428
>Brown here.
>It's disingenuous even for us.
A room of blue haired writers writes a brown character and he end up feeling like a white who happens to be brown. add lots of stereotypes.

>>211887611 (OP)
It's not a sequel. Pixar has no ability to make watchable original content

>>211887611 (OP)
>Why did Elio flop?
shit looked gay

>>211887803

When he stands at The Gates and is asked to justify how he used the gift of Life, what can he say? I spent hours every day every year in a screaming Culture War over children's cartoons.

>>211898181
i thought woke people didn't believe in christianity

>>211898259
The new thing is to believe in the Culture of Christianity (eg The Golden Rule) without believing in the supernaturalism.

>>211895130
probably not for a gay looking one. white liberals like gay brown boys. actual mexican kids don't

>>211895130
>why do the brown audience not show up for brown pixar protags?
Bwcause those characters aren't brown, they're white with brown paint. Blue haired white foid writers can't and don't want to write good brown characters.
It's similar to how blacks like Peter Parker better than Miles Morales. Peter is a poor nobody, while Miles gets everything handed to him like a lefty on a scholarship.

>>211887611 (OP)
because I have seen literally no advertising for it

i have no desire whatsoever to watch any of the Disney live-action remakes, but there's a ton of advertisement and organic buzz surrounding those movies when they come out

even Turning Red and Soul had some advertising, I literally did not hear about Elio until I heard that it flopped, and I don't even know what the movie is about yet

I’m not taking my kids to see anything from Disney. They ruined their reputation.

>>211887611 (OP)
Systemic racism and internalized misogyny

>>211887803
>>211898181
when you die and go to hell and satan asks how did you spent your life you will say "I defended a multi billion dollar corpo slop on mongolian basket weaving forum" everyone will laugh at you.

>>211888706
I honestly dont think they care about making miney, its all about propaganda

They need to just get creative again. Make a new movie about anthropomorphized things like toys or cars or kitchen appliances. Elio seems no different from coco which seemed like luca...they don't sound intriguing at all.
Their target audience of 10 y/o brown kids are busy playing Roblox or whatever, so they need to appeal to adults too

>>211899514
>They need to just get creative again.
They don't have the people anymore. It's all calarts lefties incapable of good stories. Why should any talented writer still be there, just to constantly get overruled?

I better not hear you guys bitch about Toy Story 8 when it gets released., Remember, you get the quality of entertainment you deserve.

>>211900318
>45 year old Andy gets weepy about giving away his toys, again.

>>211887657
its dei anti ice spicslop released during trump and still flopped thats really sad

>>211895428
>You can find good quality brown people animation online
Reccomend me some brown kinos, senpai.

>>211900318
Yeah it failed because it was an original movie. That’s definitely true even though it it looks like it might as well be a sequel to Turning Red, Coco, or Luca and set in the same universe as all nupixar movies are because it has the exact same art style as the last four or five of their movies.

>>211887611 (OP)
Deportations

>>211901073
There aren’t any. All non white media is just people writing their own biographies about growing being gay and brown.

Hollywood won't admit that 3D animation has reached its dead end.

>>211887611 (OP)
can you find the "woke" films in this chart? Should have asked him. If he wanted a professional to have repaired it he would have done so long ago. Part of the appeal of it was that he nutured the guitar after it was thrown away.
>2023
>2022
>2020
>2012
>2011

>>211898881
>even Turning Red ... had some advertising
Firefox had an update that gave me a tab shilling Turning Red
>we here at Mozilla are really excited to promote this movie that features strong Asian females blablabla....

>>211899311

> No! You! *cries*

What a devastating riposte.

>>211887611 (OP)
Sorry but I have third world fatigue. I know you guys have all this culture and curry and tacos and shit but I just need some time to decompress. Maybe in 30 or 50 years we can try again when things have gotten a little more civilized.

>>211901209
There are too many pajeets willing to do it cheap for that to happen. You can blame the Worst Koreans for giving them the idea

>>211888617
Incredibles 2 was a bad movie, this chart just proves that franchises make money no matter what and new shit flops most of the time unless it's groundbreaking.

>>211898181
>>211901368
lmao you sound like someone who would support kamala

>>211889658
businesses like Disney are legally too big to fail, the government won't allow it because it's bad for national security

Because they thought the movie would be coming out in a Kamala timeline. But it didn't HAHA

>>211887611 (OP)
The target audience is afraid of movie theatre ICE raids.

The next Pixar movie is also by an ASHEAN AMIERICAN director from CalArts so get ready for more with the same obsessions

>it's another "ethnic diversity hire makes a movie about themselves" episode
remember when these guys made films from the perspective of toys and aquatic life, and humanized them and showed us brand new worlds? whatever happened to THAT Pixar?

>>211887611 (OP)
Gay lil boy and vague blobbish aliens in generic childish flop style. Soon people will associate Pixar slop with AI slop, they need to move onto a different style. The past movies that have done well either have more distinct nonhuman main characters or teenage/adult characters. It seems so obvious.

>>211907963
oh no no I just looked up the guy's previous thing he directed and the first thing i see is a panda and
> The film, an allegory for what it feels like to be a minority in America, explores themes of acceptance, family separation, and racial discrimination, which were darker than the lighthearted but similar themes upon which Chong, a member of the Asian American minority, had explored within the television series.
omfg they can't turn the ship around. the movies take too long to make 100ft of their ship already went over the cliff and they just have to sit back while the rest goes

>>211887803
>why are you talking about movies on the movie board
everyday I wonder how people are so retarded

>>211895205
incredibly interesting image. thanks for posting it

>>211895428
Really good post, thanks for being so succinct and I sightful with your commentary.

That being said, stay out of my country unless you're a tourist. You have to go back no matter what.

elio i can understand but i actually am surprised at the lack of audience for a movie about an asian girl's sexual awakening???

>>211908335
It's set in Canada, so it's basically a companion film to Scott Pilgrim, another underage girl for him to ruin

>>211887803
>This is dumb why are you guys talking about this
>Posting in the same thread

>>211900318
Have they tried making something new AND good?

>>211887611 (OP)
>Why did Elio flop?

>>211888617
coco was a spic too though

>>211887657
>brown protag
>steals ham radio from white kid
>white kid pissed, bullys brown
>brown is somehow innocent of wrongdoing

>>211887611 (OP)
The film does not look interesting. Whether Good, bad or mediocre, you need your film to have a hook. Bland premise, bad art style, humour looks mild at best. Why spend £80 to take my family to see that? Especially when It'll be on Disney+ in 3 months.

>>211887657
>flops due to brown protag
>lilo and stitch made 950 million

literally haven't even heard of this movie
so what is it about?

>>211911091
Boy wants to run away from home, sends out message to space, gets abducted and is seen as representative for Earth.

>>211895082
it's actually so nuts that the current crop of disney execs just thinks they can go on forever making the same quality of films that put the company on the map a hundred years ago written by a handful of people
they could have spend time and energy on the beloved classics, disneyland is basically nostalgia land, instead every year they gamble hundreds of millions because "making new kids movies is what disney DOES"
just keep remastering the classics, those are timeless, those will sell, if you have to do a new film the remakes are god awful but at least they're doing better than the originals purely off nostalgia, they have a built in fanbase

>>211887611 (OP)
Who give a shit about a chubby hispanico except ICE?

the teaser for this looked interesting, eyepatch kid, I dunno, space thing
important thing was you didnt see the aliens, just glowing spaceships
gave an air of mystique to it
at least felt like something you could take your sister's kids to if you have them for an afternoon
but then the extended trailer dropped, and they revealed the aliens are annoying calarts dogshit, whiney and cartoonish like Buzz Lightyear villains. But Buzz Lightyear villains are supposed to be over the top and cheesy, these Elio aliens should be intimidating, I believe the destruction of the earth is on the line? And they act like the aliens from Futurama from Omocron Persei Six. Stupid and easily manipulatable. Pass.

>>211887611 (OP)
I only watched the trailers, but my immediate reaction was "this is monsters Inc, but from the kids point of view". They should have just made monsters inc. and improved the alien designs. Nobody wants 20 minutes of family drama at the start.

>>211909584
is this Better Man's child?

>>211887657
This. Brown countries don't even like brown protagonists. Stick with white, that's what sells worldwide.

>>211911322
going a bit further, goofy bureaucratic aliens assessing whether to accept Earth into the intergalactic council or to quarantine/destroy the planet, like the Vogons from hitch hikers guide, should be a fun concept. Focus on the aliens, not the humans. Like toy story is about toys, Wall-E is about robots, incredibles is about superheros etc. not boring lonely brown kid with fat thighs.

>>211895577
lol
deserved

>>211911486
I think even South Park has done this concept

>>211887611 (OP)
After they have set Los Angeles on fire and incited riots in other cities, there's a serious acute brown people fatigue.
Why's he called "Elio"? It's short for "illegal alien".

>>211911886
Lots of material to be 'inspired' by

the elevator pitch is really boring and does not spark the imagination in children.

>this kid accidentally becomes the ambassador for earth!
>'daddy whats the ambassador?'

>>211896144
>slurpy faggi and his boyfriend dr.butto

>>211888617
How the hell did they greenlight Cars 3 if these numbers are real?

>>211913498
merch sales

>>211901676
Incredibles 2 is about a happy white family and a sequel to a beloved old movie, it automatically starts off 50% more successful.
Non-degenerate white people movies print money but corpos refuse to acknowledge this one simple fact.

Could've been salvaged had they used a non-dogshit art style

>>211887611 (OP)
As a parent I can tell you I didn’t take my kid to see it because it looks gay and almost undoubtedly has gay propaganda in it. Even if it didn’t, that art style is a red flag for a lot of normal parents that some sort of sex pest is behind its production.

>>211912652
>'daddy whats the ambassador?'
American education

people are sick of soft boy, whiny, faggit protagonists that “defeat” (become friends with) the antagonist through the power of feelings and communication

>>211887961
>fake disability
It’s this for me. I saw the kid with the eyepatch and then his alien friend who appears to have no eyes so I thought there’d be some connection over lack of eyesight or being blind but nah he’s just wearing it for a weeks because he got a booboo

>>211888012
brown people like dragon ball Z and other shonen not soft boy feelings shit

>>211890124
Fucking spot on. Some anon posted a graph once showing the top 10 movies voted by men vs women and on the women side like 5 of the 10 films were Harry Potter

doesn’t this kind of prove that it’s not just chuds that are sick of this californian, DEI, woke, brown, gay, soft shit? You can’t just blame the chuds when NOBODY showed up

>>211887611 (OP)
It hasn't flopped yet.
The cinema release is just prep for the vertical video release. This is why it's so center-framed

>>211888617
All those flops came out during covid lockdowns you retard

>>211916293
Disney fucked Pixar over by turning them into “the Disney+” studio during lockdowns. They never recovered after Luca and Turning Red and that jazz one nobody saw were Disney plus exclusives

>>211909644
>coco
It was a good and earnest film. Felt authentic. I haven't seen any Disney slop since Incredibles 2 because tone from the top is all that matters and Disney is fully corrupted by people who will hire shitty ideologues. I think that Coco was genuinely meaningful to somebody and that is a winning strategy, spic or not.

>>211887611 (OP)
>marketing
yeah right. Never even heard of it

>>211911085
Stitch is blue though.

>>211888617
stats for ants

>>211896144
based star wars

>>211887803

Yeah, but why did it flop?

>>211895205
That is merchandising, not marketing. Finding Nemo was already released and a success, they used it to sell sugary cereal, not the other way around.

Because most brown were already deported and ICE could be waiting in the movie theaters

When a company like this wants to create a new property they should be asking questions like
>what exactly is the target audience of this movie?
>does it actually appeal to the target audience?
>will we turn a profit spending $300 million on this target audience?
>does this target audience even exist?"
It's incredibly clear that Pixar doesn't ask questions like this anymore.

>>211894716
>Maybe I was thinking of Luca. Or Coco. Or Encanto.
This. Elio is just the latest in Pixar's "bipoc blob".

>only movies making money are the sequels
this whole industry has like 5 years left

>>211887611 (OP)
Disney films with male protagonist always flop apart from aladdin
Disney is a company for women

>>211888617
Actual trend I'm noticing is audiences do not give a shit about the movies where the main character is a little kid.
Only really coco out of all of those did well.

>>211888617
lol "brown protag" legend

>>211887803
>I wish I had posted more on /tv/…

>>211917336
The irony is that Disney attracts a male audience through the princesses. Girls want to be them, boys want to marry or fuck them.

>>211912652
>doesn’t spark imagination
>immediately gets the kid thinking and asking questions and learning in the process
I fail to see your point. Filmmakers and story tellers need to stop belittling children and their needs and wants and willingness to learn (about things other than flavor of the month sexualities and mental illnesses)

Everyone ignoring the fact that alien/space movies are historically box office poison, especially animated

>>211917549
Nah I was a little boy during the Disney renaissance (born 1991) and I always thought the princesses were gay and for girls and I hated the kissing scenes. I liked Lion King and Bugs Life the best because they didn’t show people kissing

>>211917727
why does the average viewer welcome sword and shield medieval shit with open arms but reject scifi shit

>>211917549
You are either high or stupid. Princess movies are unbearably full to watch.

>>211917549
I was a little boy when the little mermaid came out and while I definitely remember thinking she was pretty, the main draw of the movie to me was Sebastian as comic relief
little boys like the comedy stuff but also having pretty girls in it obviously makes sense

>>211908016
Basically a palace coup by the mid

>>211887611 (OP)
gay brown protagonist

>>211911953
>After they have set Los Angeles on fire
Did Foxnews tell you this? You fucking dumb NPC

>>211916697
Food tie-ins are more marketing then merchandising.

>>211917727

Yeah. Imagine thinking that Star Wars movie would catch on.

>>211916327

Those self referencing Kartoon Mein Kampf were exactly what the Pixar animators wanted to make. So you could understand how hand it is to be them. Some dopey upper class random ethnic woman whose parents paid to send her to Cartoon Harvard.

>>211887803
weak bait

>>211887611 (OP)
Its gay, lame and dull looking, that's why