Thread 211889317 - /tv/ [Archived: 1201 hours ago]

Anonymous
6/24/2025, 12:18:06 AM No.211889317
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>HAL is one letter removed from IBM
>Cast Jack Nicholson in a movie where "Jack was always the caretaker" after the Polanski incident in Nicholson's mansion
>Cast high ranking Scientology member Tom Cruise in a movie about secret societies

Any other nooticer kino? Doesn't have to be Kubrick specifically
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 12:20:31 AM No.211889426
>>211889317 (OP)
MOon lsnDOng bro!
Anonymous
6/24/2025, 12:25:18 AM No.211889615
>>211889317 (OP)
Didn't he die just hours after having a meltdown with studio execs over removing 20 minutes from the film apparently about Pedophilia being the main motive. I doubt Tom Cruise will ever reveal this as fact
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 12:37:22 AM No.211890269
>>211889615
Yes but it was probably a last straw more than anything, he openly shittalked jews for a long time. Probably felt he could get away with it because he was jewish himself
Anonymous
6/24/2025, 12:38:36 AM No.211890339
>>211889615
the part about the shouting match with execs is real, i believe it was reported by leon vitali. what the shouting was actually about is speculation. the 20 minutes deleted scenes about pedophilia is bullshit. since his daughters and wife never said a word about him being murdered, i'm gonna say it's bullshit too. doubt they'd enthusiastically participate in a documentary produced by their relative's murderer.
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 12:43:29 AM No.211890594
>>211889615
>removing 20 minutes from the film apparently about Pedophilia
this urban legend has been crafted like a game of chinese whispers over the years.
Kubrick had final cut privilege, but had to deliver a R-rated picture to Warner Bros contractually. The final cut he worked on before he died was rated NC-17 by the MPAA. They came up with the idea to digitally add figures to obscure the more graphic sex acts in the orgy without having to cut any footage from kubrick's cut. This version was only released in America (theatrically, and then home video), while the rest of the world saw the original unobscured footage. This is where the original impression that ''they changed Kubrick's picture after he died'', which was based on verifiable facts, came from.

https://decider.com/2015/01/30/eyes-wide-shut-censored-vs-uncensored-gallery/#6
https://youtu.be/0wyAvXMLE5s?si=3kVRqZcUZala8VMJ

Now, this Austin Powers cut of Eyes Wide Shut has been phased out in the last 15 years and is now mostly forgotten about. All the stuff about ''25 minutes of deleted scenes'' is peddled by people who had no involvement in the production of the movie and cannot provide any evidence for their claims.
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 12:45:56 AM No.211890728
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>>211889317 (OP)

His Lolita was the BEST Lolita (JI is nothing but a creepy Mr Chips)
Anonymous
6/24/2025, 12:48:16 AM No.211890836
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>>211889317 (OP)
I never really thought about this until recently but did Kubrick sign on adaptations purely for financial reasons? Film, particularly blockbusters are an expensive medium and I’m sure to tell a story he really wanted to he chose novels that were surface level related to the story he wanted to really tell
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 12:53:11 AM No.211891094
>>211890836
Kubrick was obsessed with every part of filmmaking, including the financial aspect. He loved commericals and how they could tell little mini-stories in seconds, and said that if a movie still bored you after 20 minutes you should turn it off. He also only worked with other's screenplays and stories because he thought it was easier to build off and make good than just starting with a blank slate
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 12:54:18 AM No.211891151
>>211890594
>All the stuff about ''25 minutes of deleted scenes'' is peddled by people who had no involvement in the production of the movie and cannot provide any evidence for their claims.
Glad somebody said it.
Anonymous
6/24/2025, 12:56:01 AM No.211891255
>>211891094
>he thought it was easier to build off and make good than just starting with a blank slate
Is this a viable strategy for a wannabe filmmaker now, with or without the talent?
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 1:00:24 AM No.211891489
>>211891255
Kubrick came from a world where people split the creative aspects more clearly than is maybe practical today for a low budget filmmaker. That said, he did fuck with that my altering source material to suit (the shining's 2-3 layer metaphors and plot altering for example)
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 1:04:26 AM No.211891685
>>211891489
Wonder what he would have done if he had gone blank slates for all his films then. If I remember correctly his first two films and some of 2001 are written by him. Is it not the issue with that strategy being that most people suck at writing so they end up adapting sub-par trash
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 1:10:08 AM No.211891953
>>211891489
This. And if a novel gets adapted by WB nowadays it’s because it has millions of sells and the publishers/movie companies want a director who will do what they tell them.
Anonymous
6/24/2025, 1:13:19 AM No.211892086
>>211891255
>Is this a viable strategy for a wannabe filmmaker now, with or without the talent?

Probably, few great directors are also writers, many consider it the hardest parts of filmmaking because you're starting from scratch. It's easier to improve and refine than it is to createe. There's a ton of scripts but also few good ones, writing is hard
Anonymous
6/24/2025, 1:15:34 AM No.211892193
>>211891685
Tricky to generalize but if we stick to Kubrick himself - he was a photographer who was also pretty cerebral. Im sure he could have written more but he probably realized life was too short and/or other people did it better so went that way. I suppose if one has little taste then they might choose to use crappy stuff. Fortunately for us Kubrick did have taste although i wished he didnt bother with Thackeray for Barry Lyndon,
Anonymous
6/24/2025, 1:35:35 AM No.211893275
>>211891685
Kubrick was a sperg perfectionist but he realized his limits and that he wasn't a good writer, you see this with lots of writer-directors, their writing tends to be their weak spot, like Zack Snyder or Nolan
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 2:04:27 AM No.211894714
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We all have our own theories… What do YOU think The Shining was about?
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 2:09:21 AM No.211894958
>>211894714
I was quite taken with the moon landing thing, although the notion that Kubrick himself had to personally direct the footage is just silly. I resisted the idea until I got over this aspect and wondered "if it wasn't about that why all the specific references. The concept of the MKUltra angle is also quite compelling. Both could be true, and probably some Muh White man bad bits thrown in too. Clever guy...
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 2:09:45 AM No.211894986
>>211894714
>I hope the audience has had a good fright, has believed the film while they were watching it, and retains some sense of it. The ballroom photograph at the very end suggests the reincarnation of Jack.

-Stanley Kubrick, interview with Michel Ciment
http://www.visual-memory.co.uk/amk/doc/interview.ts.html
Anonymous
6/24/2025, 2:10:25 AM No.211895013
>>211891255
Now. You fucking kidding me? STEAL, STEAL, STEAL. No one will call you out for being a quilt maker. People who don't know will think your movies look really cool and people who do know will be jacking off over getting the references.
Anonymous
6/24/2025, 2:15:20 AM No.211895241
>>211889317 (OP)
There was even a line in "2010" where someone mentions the joke that HAL was so named to be one step ahead of IBM. (it stands for Heuristic ALgorithmic).
Anonymous
6/24/2025, 2:17:17 AM No.211895340
>>211894714
I don't always agree with Rob Ager but his theory that Jack made Danny suck his dick and he represents the man in the bear costume is the most sound one I've come across.
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 2:18:09 AM No.211895379
>>211894714
Do you have of couple of hours of free time while I babble on about the movie?
part 1 https://youtu.be/wkE8_Kx97oU?si=gIGTPSPUFlcpV_JC
part 2 https://youtu.be/dIuwQiiLtqc?si=l_M8LyGZIrFskiCV
update https://youtu.be/JQpAKZeweSs?si=7nqQtCzDotX35aSR
part 3 to 5 upcoming
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 2:18:20 AM No.211895388
>>211889317 (OP)

IIRC Clarke would insist that the HAL/IBM thing was pure coincidence. However, they did get the idea for a singing computer from a real test that IBM did, that they got to observe.
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 2:20:12 AM No.211895475
>>211895340

I first watched the movie when I was 13/14. The bear shot was unnerving, but I didn't fully understand what was going on. I re-watched around 19/20 or so and then I realized that he was blowing the other guy, then I did a headslap.
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 2:22:19 AM No.211895588
>>211890836
I think for the most part he found the source material for his adaptations organically. Definitely the case for Traumnovelle and Barry Lyndon and The Shining iirc. Lolita, which I would say is Kubrick’s only failure, not sure how that came about. He corresponded with Nabokov so I think at least at that point in his career he cared to a degree about being faithful to his sources
Anonymous
6/24/2025, 2:24:42 AM No.211895701
>>211891255
PTA needed to make a couple loose adaptations post-Magnolia to mature as a screenwriter
Anonymous
6/24/2025, 2:27:32 AM No.211895826
>>211894958
"I think the best thing is when an audience looks at a film and wonders whether something that they see is an accident, or whether the director or writer meant them to know it. I think that subtlety is the most important thing. "
Kubrick in telephone interview.
Anonymous
6/24/2025, 2:27:46 AM No.211895838
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>>211889317 (OP)
>>211895388
Hal literally is an IBM in the movie. I don't see how it's "coincidence"
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 2:31:15 AM No.211896017
>>211895379
Did you see the Kubrick's Odyssey Trilogy?
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 2:31:52 AM No.211896034
>>211894714
The Shining might be the most complex film ever made. The Shining isn't a film about any one theme, it's composed of many; isolating any of them dilutes Kubrick's intent, seeing how they thread and overlap is key to understanding its complexities. They all merge. Native American vs. Manifest Destiny, mirroring-doubling, linear vs. continuum, supernatural vs. natural, text vs. visual, text vs. spoken word, fable vs. myth, cartoon vs. realism, all focused through film's effect on the brain, neurophenomenology. In reverse (a contradiction nearly invisible to the audience) the most visually unifying motion-art ever conceived, beyond the scale of any built, ideal, or imagined form existing inside fantasy, philosophy or reality. Forwards the film is a horror that slowly, unceasingly absorbs a human being into a series of left-right or upper-lower mirrors, encasing him in the frozen confines of a black and white still, a procedure the film's poster does more than hint at: it condenses the entire film's process into its near end-state with Danny-Starchild on the verge of being flattened into a photograph, a ghost behind a wall (inspect posters above - clearly they refer to one another). Within what seems to be a streamlined, dulled version of Stephen King's masterly pulp novel, Kubrick built a massive and alive mysterium. A ghost story without vaporous, glowing undead or sliding chairs. Far ahead of his time, he carefully buried an unusually intricate series of continuity and orientation brain-teasers in plain sight as evidence of the supernatural which go by so quickly the audience rarely notices even one of them. Collapsing historically dizzying human moralities and cosmologies developed over thousands of years through visual forms (like border control through mapping, order control through mazes) Kubrick scatters them, then contrasts and flows them with well planned, abnormal spatiodynamics. Special effects by shifting props or hiding doors.
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 2:32:57 AM No.211896084
>>211895838
Isnt it just that IBM agreed to help with the film as long as none of their products were portrayed in a negative light? So HAL is a nice little "dig" at them, which explains why Kubrick would flat out deny the theory, he could get in legal trouble otherwise
Anonymous
6/24/2025, 2:35:10 AM No.211896167
>>211896034
Great post.
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 2:35:38 AM No.211896192
>>211896017
No
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 2:36:37 AM No.211896232
>>211896192
Worth doing
Anonymous
6/24/2025, 2:36:39 AM No.211896236
>>211896167
https://web.archive.org/web/20120202083308/http://www.mstrmnd.com/log/802
Anonymous
6/24/2025, 2:41:18 AM No.211896427
Full Metal Jacket and A Clockwork Orange form a really great commentary on being a gruntoid imo.
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 2:46:57 AM No.211896681
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>>211893275
based. this is why i mostly enjoy the stuff he adapted from books because i think that's what he's best at. Taking an idea written by someone else and transposing it into the language of film.
>>211894714
my theory is that the idea of jack always being around suggests that human depravity stays around forever and no matter how advanced we get technologically that human nature will never fade.
Anonymous
6/24/2025, 2:48:00 AM No.211896721
>>211896427
based
Anonymous
6/24/2025, 2:49:43 AM No.211896803
>>211896427
I really like Rob’s take on FMJ that Pyle’s suicide wasn’t literal and he “became” Animal in the second half of the movie. It makes sense. The actors look similar, it feels like two different movies
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 2:52:43 AM No.211896934
>>211889317 (OP)
Dr. Strangelove has been overcome by advancing technology. Nowadays, everyone would have cell phones, and their inability to communicate would not happen.

I rather liked the scene where they had to shoot the Coke machine to get change for the pay phone.
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 2:57:49 AM No.211897148
>>211890339
> In 1995, Vivian Kubrick became a Scientologist.[24][25] In a 2010 interview with The Guardian, her mother said she "lost" her daughter to the religion.[26]
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 2:59:39 AM No.211897216
>>211896803
That's an interesting observation, but it's still just an interpretation independent of Kubrick's intentions. Kubrick could have just had Pyle survive the bootcamp and become an Animal-like character in the second half if he had really wanted to. Pyle was always going to be Pyle, and Animal was probably Animal-like before bootcamp, maybe just less so. I don't buy they'd be one and the same.
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 3:02:55 AM No.211897353
>>211897216
>Kubrick could have just had Pyle survive the bootcamp and become an Animal-like character
His reasoning was that Pyle’s suicide and transformation into animal was that basic training breaks a person down and brainwashes them.
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 3:05:27 AM No.211897450
Katharina Kubrick the daughter of Stanley Kubrick has a cameo at the doctor’s office. The boy is her son Alex.
>>211897148
To my knowledge, Vivian has never said her father was killed because of Eyes Wide Shut. She was estranged from him during the production of the movie for sure anyways.
Katherina, who was around during the movie production and always had her wits about her, most definitely always refuted the bullshit rumors.
Anonymous
6/24/2025, 3:07:41 AM No.211897523
>>211897353
Interesting again but if that was the intention, the point would have been made much more efficiently by keeping the same character in the two parts to demonstrate the effects of the breaking down and conditioning of a single person.
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 3:14:25 AM No.211897793
>>211897523
NTA but I buy the whole Pyle = Animal Mother theory but it doesnt have to be taken literally, its just thematically true. Animal is the person Pyle would become after his "death". If it actually happened or not isnt so important.

The reason why we get to see the story through Joker's eyes is because his humor and self-awareness allows him to accept his own duality. He doesnt have to "die" to become a soldier. He's the rare type of person who can distance from it and still remain himself.
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 3:15:55 AM No.211897847
>>211897523
I think it’s a good take because if they did that then there’d still be a glimmer of the Pyles but the point is to say he is now an entirely different person after the brainwashing
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 3:17:14 AM No.211897881
>>211896934
yeah that scene was kino. that movie was insanely funny and i believe that even with the cellphones i think communication will always be a problem in human nature
Anonymous
6/24/2025, 3:19:05 AM No.211897944
>>211897793
>He's the rare type of person who can distance from it and still remain himself.
Cowboy doesn't change all that much either.
Anonymous
6/24/2025, 3:24:16 AM No.211898163
>>211897847
I just don't think the movie intentionally suggests that whatsoever. Joker doesn't acknowledge Animal in any special way the first time he meets him, he treats him like a completely different character. They could have just had Joker observe and acknowledge Pyle's complete transformation with Pyle being completely oblivious to it, like when De Niro confronts Walken at the end of Deer Hunter in the russian roulette match, but they didn't.
Anonymous
6/24/2025, 3:29:01 AM No.211898337
>>211889317 (OP)
>HAL is one letter removed from IBM
Huh?
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 3:39:37 AM No.211898729
>>211898337
H+1=I
A+1=B
L+1=M
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 3:40:15 AM No.211898755
>>211898337
Are you serious or just stoned?
The letter after H is I
The letter after A is B
The letter after L is M
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 3:42:26 AM No.211898849
>>211898729
>>211898755
That's three letters from IBM, not one letter.
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 3:46:31 AM No.211899003
>>211898849
Its one letter away in the alphabet
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 3:47:15 AM No.211899026
>>211898755
Anon is being an idiot on purpose
Anonymous
6/24/2025, 3:52:40 AM No.211899215
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 4:00:12 AM No.211899472
>>211899003
But three times. One each letter, for three letters.
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 4:24:52 AM No.211900357
>>211899472
women shouldn't be allowed to post here
Anonymous
6/24/2025, 4:38:45 AM No.211900813
>>211889317 (OP)
>Main character is named Jack
>His son is named Danny
>Jack drinks Jack Daniels
bravo nolan
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 4:39:41 AM No.211900853
>>211891094
>said that if a movie still bored you after 20 minutes you should turn it off
If that was true no one in the world would have ever finished watching 2001
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 4:42:22 AM No.211900963
>>211894714
The native genocide stuff is convincing.
Anonymous
6/24/2025, 4:43:34 AM No.211901008
>>211900813
Q: What type of music did you use?

SK: The title music was based on the Dies Irae theme which has been used by many composers since the Middle Ages. It was re-orchestrated for synthesizer and voices by Wendy Carlos and Rachel Elkind, who did most of the synthesizer music for A Clockwork Orange. But most of the music in the film came from the Polish composer Krystof Penderecki. One work titled Jakob's Dream was used in the scene when Jack wakes up from his nightmare, a strange coincidence. Actually there were a number of other coincidences, particularly with names. The character that Jack Nicholson plays is called Jack in the novel. His son is called Danny in the novel and is played by Danny Lloyd. The ghost bartender in the book is called Lloyd.

http://www.visual-memory.co.uk/amk/doc/interview.ts.html
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 4:45:56 AM No.211901108
>>211894714
While they have more subtext going on than the average movies, I think Kubrick's film are much more about their surface level action than his self-appointed interpreters makes them to be.
Anonymous
6/24/2025, 4:50:55 AM No.211901305
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>>211900853
>getting filtered by monkekino
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 4:56:03 AM No.211901500
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>>211901008

here it is again, a few weeks later.
Anonymous
6/24/2025, 5:34:45 AM No.211903082
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>>211889615
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 5:38:52 AM No.211903259
>>211903082
Fake article. That website was called Neon Nettle or something like that. Completely made up quote, as if she'd say anything like this while promoting an HBO show in a junket.
Anonymous
6/24/2025, 5:45:36 AM No.211903519
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>>211901305
For me, it's tapir kino
Anonymous
6/24/2025, 5:56:27 AM No.211903969
>>211895340
>>211895475
>>211896034

jesus christ guys the shining was ass get over it
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 6:35:40 AM No.211905473
>>211903969
kek nice try
Anonymous
6/24/2025, 6:36:37 AM No.211905513
>>211889317 (OP)
peas grow there