Been rereading Ambrose's band of brothers and rewatching. The show is much more accurate to the source than the Pacific, I'd guess because it's from a single source as opposed to multiple. Sopel has many come to his defense as he did participate in Normandy, but the hatred from the Easy company is palpable in their accounts. Winters has credited Sopel as getting the men ready for war, but also stated that Sopel was a chickenshit officer stateside and a terrible combat officer. Dike gets a similar treatment. The one that stands out to me is blithe, they weirdly dedicate an entire episode to him almost deserving to be shot in the neck, add in details about him not looking for his platoon during the invasion and stating that he died from his wounds in 58. In reality Blithe recovered from his gunshot to the neck and eventually reenlisted for duty in the airborne during Korea where he earned the silver star. Be passed away in 1967.

https://youtu.be/vfhcwvsUkBY?si=Bh1C7km83XSpig1T

Have you read ambrose's book or any other source material for the playtone shows? With the old breed or my helmet for a pillow? My feeling is that the pacific does much worse characterizations than band of brothers, ie making sledge a boy his father said couldn't volunteer instead of a college student who left the ROTC and a future as an officer to join the marines. But it does show the randomness of war and casualties that "With the Old Breed" has as the central theme.

Band of brothers seems to mostly do a better job of historically accurate characters but in a few episodes goes out of its way to show how shitty soldiers die for hubris or cowardice.

>>211919183 (OP)
Wtf are you trying to have an actual discussion about a television show lmao get the fuck off my board

>>211919304
If you're bored go clean your room

Ambrose is already capeshit

>>211920259
Go on

>>211919183 (OP)
Sopel was a son of Abraham

Isn’t that the dude they said was dead but in actually lived a normie life for like 30 years?

>>211919183 (OP)
>The one that stands out to me is blithe, they weirdly dedicate an entire episode to him almost deserving to be shot in the neck
You mean like "this is what cowards get" ? from his blindness? I actually never knew about the false death claim and all the BS associated from that. Was on active duty still in 1967 when he died. Need to find out more about this.

There were some weird choices in this, the biggest one being the j00s episode but some other changes that didn't need to be made but just...were, for some reason.

>>211920680
Yes I think Guarnere and someone else went to the wrong guys funeral and ended up thinking easy blithe was dead

I want a show like BoB but in the Soviet Afghan war.

>>211920680
He survived, jumped into Korea, got a silver star and died in the 60s. They dedicated a whole episode to him being a huge pussy and kind of deserved to get shot in the neck and stated he never recovered from his injuries and died in the 50s.

>>211919183 (OP)
>they weirdly dedicate an entire episode to him almost deserving to be shot in the neck
What makes you think that? He was a bit of a coward with hiding on the first night, but the show presents him sympathetically I would say. He mans up and does his duty which is portrayed as a good thing and then he gets shot and wrongfully claimed to be killed to show was is hell and all that.

>>211920964
>Mashup of Mujahadeen
>Marshalling of Muzzies
Kino

>>211921082
It doesn't seem very sympathetic, especially when
>the story of him hiding the first night is made up
>there is another made up scene of him being too afraid to fire his weapon
>they completely disregard his service in Korea and instead say he never recovered from his wounds

>>211921169
The last point is just a mistake, while the other two seem like added drama to fit the fear theme for the episode. When Band of Brothers wanted you to dislike someone, they made it very obvious (Sobel and Dike).

The biggest and most unforgivable historical inaccuracy of BoB was the appearance of Jimmy Fallon during the Battle of the Bulge.

>>211921079
>and kind of deserved to get shot in the neck
What? Where did you get that from?

For me I always saw the episode about Blithe as one about a soldier who won over his fears and became able to function as a soldier. Him getting shot as a result simply being bad luck and an allegory to thousands of similar stories that would've happened in the war. Finding out that he lived kind of breaks what the episode is about.

>>211919183 (OP)
Blithe being mistakenly thought to be dead seems like it would've been easy for Ambrose to corroborate. But he did very little research outside of his Easy company interviews and makes him look like a hack

>>211921079
>They dedicated a whole episode to him being a huge pussy and kind of deserved to get shot in the neck
It felt like the episode wasn't about him "deserving" to get shot, but the war from the perspective of someone who possibly wasn't mentally up to the stress of it all.
It just showed that for every Spears, who acted extremely boldly during combat, there was a Blithe who was more hesitant and fearful. The fact that Blithe near the end took Spears words to heart and volunteered to check out the farmhouse meant that he wasn't just a yellow-belly coward. He was actively trying to be better for his comrades and squadmates, he just was aware of his own shortcomings as well.
tldr: Blithe didn't "deserve" to get shot, it was an episode showing the war from someone who wasn't a total badass. Interesting that in reality he got better and reenlisted. Never knew that.

>>211920964
Short kino
https://youtu.be/nKBIZcdvOSc?si=PxA1COAznf6QnxCq

>>211921391
And blithe

>>211920964

Half of the show would be ziggers ass-raping each other

>>211922546
It would be good to remember that the book came out in 1992. Back then it would've been much harder to seek out and fact check information like that. He would've been stuck doing phonecalls and sending letters and getting by with a lot of word of mouth level information. I don't know if civilians can get their hands on military records in the states so maybe that's where he could've done better but if the rumor about him dying earlier came about from some easy company members attending a funeral of a dude with the same name then there would've been little reason to question that.

>>211924310

This is a mistake that could have easily been prevented by going to the US National Archives and looking at Blithe's personnel file (which would have included his subsequent reenlistment). Alternatively, Ambrose could have attended a 101st Airborne reunion and just asked around if they knew what happened to him.

>I don't know if civilians can get their hands on military records in the states

You can, in fact a lot of files are posted online to prevent cases of "Stolen Valor" (people fabricating/embellishing their military service)

>>211924310
It would be good to remember that the book doesn't say anything about him dying from the wounds in the 50s, hiding from the company during Normandy, or being afraid to fire his weapon. It does mention his hysterical blindness in a specific account from winters who believed blithe was actually blacking out

>>211924492
Ambrose just wrote quoted winters on the hysterical blindness and talked about him getting shot in the neck.

>>211921391
Like with blithe?

Best boy, best episode

>>211926102
Feel bad for the French lady.

>>211921431
I think it was how underused Michael Was bender was

>>211926102
>objectively the most miserable experience for the characters out of all the episodes
>yet somehow it's the comfiest episode
magic

>>211926786
Over the eagles nest episode?
Come to think of it
Why did it rip off the sandlot ending?

>>211926949
I think I might just have a fucked Scandinavian brain where seeing people being cold+suffering = comfy because I'm not currently cold+suffering myself. Soon winter will be back but for now these other fucks are the ones freezing, not me. Watching The Terror with a hot beverage gives the same comfy signals from my brain. Or falling asleep listening to audiobooks about polar explorations.

>>211927312
>I think I might just have a fucked Scandinavian brain where seeing people being cold+suffering = comfy
I think my Germanic genes and American upbringing did the same to me
>Being in Austria looked comfy and i like playing pickup baseball and I wouldn't mind sitting in a mountaintop fortress after either taking over Europe or liberating it
But they really did rip off the sandlot ending

>>211919304
Thanks for the bump anon, it would have died on the vine

>>211919183 (OP)
>weirdly dedicate an entire episode to him almost deserving to be shot in the neck
I didn't get that impression at all. Maybe because I'm a vet and have been in firefights.

Regardless, the ETO has ALWAYS been given a far more "romanticized" accounting by film and television, while the PTO is hardly ever mentioned. Can you guess why? Pic related.

>>211923582
>It just showed that for every Spears
Out of every hundred men in a unit, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are little more than targets, and nine are actually good men that carry the fight. But the one remaining, he is a warrior, and he will bring the others back. Spears was one of the warriors.

>>211928526
>Regardless, the ETO has ALWAYS been given a far more "romanticized" accounting by film and television, while the PTO is hardly ever mentioned. Can you guess why? Pic related.
Yeah the end of "why we fight" has the stat "5 million ethnic minorities and 6 million jews died in camps" instead of "11 million ethnic minorities". I believe in the holocaust, but in a world war with hundreds of millions of casualties the meme has always been "War engulfs the world, Jews most affected"
>
But it isnt entirely because of the jews, the nazis were not running American POWs through the bataan death march, the average battle, campaign etc was much more successful in europe, the war in europe was thusly more publicized and glamorized stateside and less horrible all around. Its easier to write about patton running through europe and heroically saving the day, its hard to write about how johnny garand and company got their throats slit in the middle of the night and how they found sgt toughtalk with his dick and balls stuffed in his mouth. Easier to write about the allies rolling through paris than the 2 week planned, 4 month operational attack on an island the journo cant even pronounce. Then you've also got the war in europe ending first and ending with mass troop movements versus no mainland invasion we just dropped A-Bombs after every battle in the pacific.
>Just like
Just like the holocaust it's some jews, it wasn't all jews.

>>211927720
>Being in Austria looked comfy
Austria is one of the most beautiful places on the planet.

>>211929224
>I believe in the holocaust
lmao

>>211929224
>I believe in the holocaust,
Why? It's a lie. Concentration camps aren't "death camps". Concentrating your enemies in order to prevent them from fighting against you has been a tactic used for thousands of years. In recent times the Americans did it to the Indians, the British did it to the Boers, the Soviets did it to pretty much anyone that didn't toe the line, and the Germans did it to their political rivals, which included Jews that were deliberately trying to undermine German society in order to create a communist state. Same thing the Jews are doing in Europe and in the U.S.. today.

The Jews were indeed rounded up and concentrated, but there was no systematic extermination of any but the worst, while the rest were used as labor, just like the everyone else they rounded up.

>>211919183 (OP)
Ambrose was much more interested in telling Winters' personal narrative than the story of Easy Company as a whole. He also had a bad habit of ignoring things that didn't line up with what he liked, and giving credence to bullshit there was no proof of. Outside of his BoB stuff his other books on WWII border on historical fiction, because he would just write down whatever people told him without bothering to verify it, like a 20th century Herodotus.
However, the Archives burning down in the 60's makes most of this type of historical work, personal verifiable narratives of Americans in WWII, very difficult so it's worth giving him a little slack.
Idk why they did Blithe so dirty, it's one of my biggest complaints about the show. Band of Brothers has the same issue Generation Kill does of taking sides in what are ultimately internal politics and personal opinions, it's all very messy and biased.
Good TV, bad history.

>>211929881
With the old breed is still my favorite source from the shows, memoirs like Eugene Sledges are hard to come by and it all about the randomness of war as opposed to the politics. The sum total of his politics were "fuck the japs, they're subhuman, some lady sprayed my buddy with her tit and I laughed"

>>211929003
This is the gayest thing I've read today.

>>211929513
>>211929642
>>>/pol/

>>211929642
Amerimutts did it to Japs during WW2

>>211930396
you sound like a little faggot who feels threatened by actual men

>>211930556
And Germans, and Italians.

>>211930480
It pertains to the discussion of the show, since its entire premise stands or falls with the truth behind the subject. Don't be a heeb bootlicker, now.

>>211930480

>>211929642
>why do I believe in the holocaust
Because of the jew&gypsy camps anon. I dont belive in dicksucking rollercoasters crematoriums but i also don't think the people in yellow star prison garb were there for swimming lessons

>>211930882
Camps existed but holocaust didn't.

>>211930653
post body

>>211930882
Labor camps != extermination camps. Get that through your thick skull.
Typhus outbreaks and delousing chems != gas showers for murdering your source of free labor during war time.
Questions for you: which camps were pronounced death camps and which camps were pronounced labor camps? Which camps were liberated by the Allies (read: inspected by the Red Cross) and which were by the Soviets? Do some basic research and start doubting.

This show gets it wrong.

>>211930653
thats very nice timmy, how about another game of hoi4

>>211920964
The Beast is a pretty decent tank movie

>>211921079
I should have read the OPs post. Apparently the dude who was relieved of duty in Bastogne for cowardice was actually nursing a fresh bullet wound and not actually cracking from the pressure of command, just in shock. Dyke I think the name was

Reminder, more people died per day during the Rwandan genocide compared to the Holocaust. And they were using unga-bunga machetes as the weapon of choice. So the Nazis were capable of killing millions using bullets, gas, and whatever.

>>211931430
>the holocaust isn't real because the Nazis didn't brand Buchenwald a death camp
Wow that's some unassailable logic there anon.
>>211931199
Meaning what? They just rounded up the jews and gypsies for swim school?

>>211932535
I'll report back when I get to the BotB, I'm still in market garden

>>211932553
Not really a comparable situation, the Nazis relied on concentration camps for slave labor, and just killed the ones who couldn't work any more

>>211932553
Ive actually seen an uptick in "the Rwandandan genocide was a hoax" comments lately and now I can connect the dots as to why.

>>211932976
The nazis relied on concentration camps as a way to remove undesirables from society. The Hutus just relied on the machete.

>>211932731
>>because the Nazis didn't brand
Alright, seems like you can't even read properly. Or, more likely, decided to ignore everything else because it goes against your foregone conclusion. Bit sad.

>>211932553
>>211933183
Killing, sure. In theory. Now cremating...

>>211919183 (OP)
>The show is much more accurate to the source than the Pacific,
wrong, bob gets so much shit wrong and is not from one source

>>211933321
>if a population of 15 million experiences no growth in 15 years that means no one died right?
Midwit

>>211933551
Poland lost 25% of its population in the war and didn't get back to pre-war numbers until the 70s. And that's 6 million lives lost out of 25, so 19 millions left to repopulate. Getting the same result with half that population in 1/10th the time is nothing short of miraculous

>>211933752
>the population of a country that fell into Stalins pocket didn't rebound as quickly as other post WW2 populations
Yeah many such cases retard lol. Turns out sending political prisoners to the gulag en masse wasn't good for population recovery. Did you know that Poland went from having a large Jewish population to virtually no Jewish population pre and post war? They had 3 million jews pre war and only have 20k today. Does that factor into your calculus or do you need to source another Paulie walnuts meme.

>>211932889
Spoilers I guess, they get the bulge

>>211934077
Was it a battle?

Jimmy Fallon ruined Band of Brothers

>>211924265
>>211920964
No joke I've read two books on the war and the brutal rape and beatings of underlings for the first year and a half of their conscription is fucking outrageous. No wonder they sucked in combat, they all are nursing ass wounds and fucking eachother and stealing ammo to sell

The other thing - they were jealous of the radios and TVs even the poor farmer afghans had

>>211934238

>>211934470

>>211932553
Nice try, africans aren't people thoughbeit

>>211934532

>>211934062
Did you know that the majority of higher ups in communist party in Poland were ethnic Jews and today they make movies (eg. Ida) about how the stalinist oppression was necessary because the Poles were mean to them?
Also, even the communism and lower economy doesn't explain the 20x better population recovery rate.

>>211934646
>Did you know that the majority of higher ups in communist party in Poland were ethnic Jews
Not post war lol
>and today they make movies (eg. Ida) about how the stalinist oppression was necessary because the Poles were mean to them?
Yes anon, jews do subversive propaganda
>Also, even the communism and lower economy doesn't explain the 20x better population recovery rate.
The fact that they went from 3 million jews pre war to under 50k post war sure does, plus ya know, gulags and post ww2 stalinist satellite recovery has a bad track record particularly in, but not exclusive to Poland.

>>211934532
I didn't mind Jimmy Fallon showing up in BoB, he was kind of a nobody back then

>>211935645
I hated him for ruining SNL

>>211932553
>So the Nazis were capable of killing millions using bullets, gas, and whatever.

No bodies, no holocaust. There is absolutely zero evidence that even a million Jews were executed and buried or burned, let alone the six million the Jews want us to believe.

>>211934062
>retard thinks a population of 9 million (15-6=9) somehow manages to increase it's population by 6 million in the 3 years after the war ended calling somebody else a retard
Rabbi, please....

>>211930396
That's an ancient quote. It has a primordial truth to it.

>>211935728
>Ruining something that was always shit aside from 5 standout skits

>hey is that Mark Wahlberg?
>no it's his brother
Lot of weird casting in BoB

>>211936264
2001 Mark E Mark was still a fucking nobody

>speirs actually admitted to killing those POWs and got away with it
Based?

>>211929224
>I believe in the holocaust
Lmao, stopped reading right there, dumb goy slave.

>>211935763
>No bodies, no holocaust.
What is the tartarka common graves?
https://dbpedia.org/page/Tatarka_common_graves
And if only there had ever been archeological digs around some of the concentration camps
https://genomebiology.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13059-021-02420-0
> There is absolutely zero evidence that even a million Jews were executed .
Man if only the allies had tried the nazi leadership at Nuremberg and displayed the thousands of captired documents about the holocaust.
https://www.archives.gov/research/holocaust/holocaust-era-assets
https://historyhub.history.gov/military-records/b/military-records-blog/posts/records-of-the-international-military-tribunal-imt-at-nuremberg-in-the-national-archives-collection-of-world-war-ii-war-crimes-records-record-group-238
>and buried or burned, let alone the six million the Jews want us to believe
Yeah the numbers are debatable, and jews have framed themselves as the central victims of WW2. That doesn't mean that they weren't targeted by Hitlers regime, and weren't systematically executed. There is beyond enough evidence to support the theory that at some point post 1942 the systematic liquidation of jews and other undesirables began. I believe it was intentional, but for those who want to argue that it was functional, I'm open to that discussion.

>>211936155
Fair
>>211936552
>stops reading when an opinion contradicts his worldview
>then says people are thought slaves
You're too dumb to live faggot lol

>>211936468
I mean it was day -1 of the Normandy invasion? The 101st wasn't supposed to be taking prisoners, COs had told them not to in rah rah ways. You can get away with almost any killing when it's functional to the operation, especially if you win the war. The based part was giving them smokes first

>>211934628
>>211934532
I don't even mind his cameo but these memes are charming. This is probably what my dad would've been posting if 4chan existed in 2001 and he used it.

>>211937494
He's just a really, really bad actor

>>211937494
i enjoy them too

>>211937542
He's not good, but he kept it together for the duration of his screentime (it was like 50 seconds long). I feel like if you somehow have someone who doesn't know who Jimmy Fallon is watch this scene they wouldn't think it's weird, just here's background soldier #751 giving them some ammo.

For me, it's Buck Compton

>>211937095
>Yeah the numbers are debatable,
Yea, no shit Shylock, that's the point. They killed the worst among the Jews for being the subversive pieces of shit they were, but they didn't kill 6 million. You know who else murdered a bunch of motherfuckers? The Soviets. They murdered countless soldiers from Poland, Germany, and pretty much everywhere else. The majority of the Jews that died in the work camps died due to disease outbreaks and malnutrition because they were the lowest priority during the war.

>>211931708
>The Beast
Based beyond belief
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up5hS4fwckQ

>>211937777
Yeah all those children the nazis murdered in the many massacres against civilians like the ulma family (picrel), the distono, lidice and oradou-sur glane massacres is a big nothing. Surely of the 200k children admitted to Auschwitz were the worst of the worst revolutionaries. I mean only around 1000 children were reported there when liberated, so the missing 199k were probably devout marxists and orange flag waivers. I mean sure the nazis did murder civilian children in occupied territory, but the jews they killed were the worst of the worst. Trust me bro. Look at the Ulma kids, they were just asking for it.

>>211919183 (OP)
The Pacific is an embarrassment of a show. It's so awful.

>>211921079
>deserved to get shot in the neck
How on earth did you arrive at that conclusion?

>>211937175
To spite you I will continue to live, jew slave

>>211932731
Holocaust refers to the systematic killing of jews to reach the mystical 6 million number which is entirely made up.

>>211936264
The cast is kino shame the main guys careers went nowhere. Well the ginger has a good career anyway.

>>211933080
Trying to discredit the holocaust deniers by denying an event that actually happened.

>>211939096
I do like how jews co opted ww2 and made it all about them. 0 soldiers gave a fuck about some dead jews.

>>211939123
>To spite you I will continue to live, jew slave

>>211938683
every single kike deserves to get gassed

>>211939096
You'll never verify the true number, but the 6 million is a number created from forensic accounting during Nuremberg. They looked at admission records to the camps, extrapolated from those records to fill in for missing records and then looked at survivors. It's the same way they determined the 3 million Soviet prisoner deaths, the 250k Romani, the 1.5 million non Jewish Poles etc.
>>211939096
No it refers to the systemic killing of what Hitler considered untermensh, so yeah the imfirm and disabled, the roma, non jewish polish, all are under the umbrella of the holocaust. Just because jews co-opted it doesn't mean non Jewish Poles weren't part of the holocaust.

>>211938683
Just like the Palestinians, right?

>>211934345
I read picrel. What two books did you read?

>>211939684
>the 6 million is a number created from
...the ass of some Jew. Just a made up lie to demonize Germany while the real world terror was Soviet and Chinese communism.

>>211938683
>200k children admitted to Auschwitz
Obviously they were there to ride the rollercoaster.

>>211939758
Yes exactly, you will become what you hate. It's as likely that a newly created Jewish state post WW2 would be as oppressive to the Palestinians as Hitler was to them. Part of the human condition is to emulate your oppressors. So if you want me to say the modern Israeli is doing a shoah to the Palestinians I'd agree with that assessment. Mossad is a direct descendant of the Sicherheitsdienst in spirit and practice. He'll why do think Netanyahu always brings out the picture of Hitler and Amen Al-Husseini everytime he wants to throw his circumcised dick around Gaza? They view the Palestinians as sub human collaborators.

>>211939891
Cool self soothing fiction. How many Soviet POWs did the 3rd Reich kill? How many roma? How did the 3 million and 250k numbers get arrived at for Soviet POWs and Roma? Must have been all those gypsy subversion propagandists.

>>211939870
The Soviet-Afghan War: How a Superpower Fought and Lost as well as Zinky Boys

I also read One Soldier’s War - Arkady Babchenko on Chechenya and jesus fuck the Russians suck

>>211940367
Tell me more

>>211940288
Cool story, Rabbi.

>>211931708
>Le soviet harry potter (intellectual because he has glasses, got it?) enlisted in a tank regiment
>Thinks they're being literal nazis and falls in love with the Afghan culture
>"NANAWATAI !!!" (unironically the same principle that allowed Bin Laden to take refuge in Afghanistan and the reason we went there)
>"oh wow le shuravi tank kaboom"
>"le no good soldier in a bad war, SIR!" (what's a good war?)

It's good, if you're into tanks, otherwise it's just another blatantly romanticized vision of the mujahideen, and nanawatai has more implications than "spare my life and feed me because I asked so"

>>211939870(me)
>>211940367
>The Soviet-Afghan War: How a Superpower Fought and Lost
>Released 2004
I know that that's not that old, but have new details or context come to light since 04 about 1979-1989?

>>211940398
The book from Arkady is really fucking sad because he tells the story of how they would all wait for helicopters to take them into battle and they would see the corpses being brought back on the same helicopters that were making the trips into the fight knowing that as many went were coming back injured or dead. They would try and make friends but it didn't matter as they would be beaten and thrown out of windows for not getting enough rubbles for whoever. Also it was like being a prison bitch because whoever was in charge of you got to beat you but no one else did also they would gang rape you. He claims he wasn't gang raped because he fought back with a giant shard of glass but I think we all know what really happened

>>211939891
>real world terror was Soviet and Chinese communism.
You mean the lies from white supremacists

>>211940524
theres some good books from the afghans/muj side called the bear goes over the mountain and another called the other side of the mountain that describe it well. When they went into Afghanistan in the 2001 war Delta commanders read those books to get a sense of warfare in high altitude and the different ethnicities there and how it affects the alliances and combat.

I haven't been able to get my hands on a good copy, but the SEALS didn't read them and got their shit pushed in

>>211940429
You looked it up and realized you didn't have a cope or you're too lazy to challenge yourself by researching a claim.

>>211940592
No the Germans didn't hit the high score of Stalin or Mao. But they made the leaderboard

>>211940524
From what I understand the archives for that are not open to anyone and true numbers have never been released but the mothers of soldiers maintain a decent list of everyone who died and the way they fought will never truly be written about and told beyond what soldiers will write down

>>211940636
So is the 2004 book pretty good? I mostly only care about the Soviet side of the history. The book I posted in >>211939870 had its weaknesses, namely a complete avoidance of the topic of sexual violence and a muddled recounting of the Kremlin politics involved.
The stories about Soviet military alcoholism were prevalent, and pretty crazy.

>>211940524
>2004
I'd assume it had some preface by John Edwards or Howard Dean saying how we must read this book or fall into the same trap. I read a lot of pop history back then and most books about Afghanistan had that flavor to the preface. Either way I still agree with picrel

>>211940738
Zinky Boys has more info on the brutality and rape if that is what you are looking for. It's a bunch of peoples stories

>>211940847
Like an oral history?

>>211940847
>>211940738
But yeah if you want a deeper look into the strategic plays of the war the The Soviet-Afghan War is what you want, but it was published in 2002

>>211940901
Yeah, soldiers, officers, prostitutes, medical staff - everyone they could reach gave their stories of the war

>>211940901
also, anytime I try and bring up that time in history books on /lit/ no one has given even a tenth of a shit about it as you have

>>211940977
I'm sometimes discuss history books in random /k/ threads.

>>211935576
>the fact that they went from 3 million jews pre war to under 50k post war sure does
Only this isn't a real statistic, you made up it just now.

>>211939123
Always thought Colin Farell was in BoB. But it's a similar dark welsh phenotype actor.

>>211938683
>if I just keep lying it will become truth
Nah, my Polish Jewish Grandfather told me about it. The holocaust wasn't real.

>>211941015
>/k/tranny
Pathetic faggot.

>>211926786
Its a christmas fucking miracle
Everyone looks genuinely cold and miserable though.

>>211920651
Winters was a Quaker

>>211940977
>also, anytime I try and bring up that time in history books on /lit/ no one has given even a shit
Meh /lit/ is full of fiction reading hipsters and roman empire larpers. Maybe its time to start posting subversive threads about war /tv/ in an effort to talk about whatever I'm reading.
>
Going to read "with the old breed" again and bitch about how they did sledge dirty in the pacific next, then I'm moving onto picrel.
>>211941069
1931 polish census shows 3113933 jews in poland, in 1950 the population was around 45k.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1931_Polish_census
https://stat.gov.pl/en/news/90-years-ago-on-december-9-1931-statistics-poland-conducted-the-second-census-,80,1.html
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/remaining-jewish-population-of-europe-in-1945
https://artsandculture.google.com/story/DwWxB806kgoA8A

>>211939684
>but the 6 million is a number created from forensic accounting during Nuremberg.
That has no basis on reality.

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>>211934117
A party. Jimmy Fallon is there.

>>211943188
Jews are truly innocent

>>211943428
When the entire world tosses you the fuck out, maybe it's you, not them. Just sayin'.

>>211943188
I was raised in the Wisconsin synod Lutheran church you dipshit faggot. I've actually read Luther, you can't read a paragraph if the first sentence challenges you lol. Anyway what does Martin Luther how to do with the Soviet POW&Roma killings?
>>211943824
>well all Europe wants to kick you out and you have to settle elsewhere you must be the bad guy
Holy shit guys, I guess protestants are bad to! Better go pray to the pope since he's infallible. Guess we're sitting on stolen land, I mean the Indians didn't want us here either. Guess whites are just subversive usury merchants.
>honestly
I'd be more interested in holohoax shit if it wasn't retards like you doling out non arguements. If I counted how many European countries tried to kick out the protestants would that be an arguement? Or is the history of the world groups of people meeting other people and then forcing them to leave. Like do you even think about these arguements or do you just see /pol/ memes and go "Hey that's my worldview"

>>211944396
>this seething loon

>>211924816
TEMPO TEMPO TEMPO

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>>211942746
It has basis in jewish mythology.

Its literally just jews trying to force the hand of god into a prophecy. This is unironically who financially rules the world. A bunch of cultist jew faggots.

>>211944396
>i'm a christcuck and believe jews are gods chosen
Not shocking at all really.

>>211920892
>someone else went to the wrong guys funeral
Talk me through how this happened.
So you get there.... there's a picture of the dead person and his name and dates... how did they not know?

Imagine if you will that Chines folklore had a prophecy about the coming of a hero shaped like whinnie the poo that would turn China into the greatest people on earth after a horrible disaster occurs where a one eyed man devil kills millions of children. Then 20 years after the war with Japan they then claim a entire unite of one eyed Japanese killed million of Chinese children.

>>211919183 (OP)
>Have you read ambrose's book or any other source material for the playtone shows?
I read Winter's memoirs a number of years ago and he still pulls punches regarding people's conduct during the war. Modern writers are far more ruthless when they discuss fuckups and failure in the military than a guy like Winters ever would.

>>211946098
>if a population stays the same over 15 years then no one died right?
>this graph is based on the latest official and unofficial estimates
Wow bill nye this must be settled science.

>>211946216
>You're just a Christcuck
No but I was raised I the Lutheran church
>he must think the jews are gods chosen people
See but I didn't say that faggot. That's your preprogrammed cope. I could give a shit about the jews or Israel, and I fully support cutting off any military aid to Israel. I just need better debunking of the holocaust than memes. But it's cool that you don't lol

>>211947418
>goes back to the same retarded and false argument
>ignores the evidence of jews trying to create a 6 million jews killed narrative since 1900

Yes, its pretty settled science. If Germans wanted jews dead, the jews would have been dead. To believe the holocaust is to believe that Germans simultaneously tortured jews in experiments but also didn't want to starve them to death as that would be inhumane all the while ignoring the significance of a 6million sacrifice in jewish mythology among other glaringly obvious red flags.

>>211927312
It's not your fucked Scandanavian brain, Anglo here and for me the comfiest days of the year are the few snow days we get. Rain is also immensely comfy, indoors or out.
Bad weather is an excuse to get warm, eat good food and relax, but snow makes the landscape beautiful.

>>211946342
Boomers are retarded what else is new

>>211920238
there are too many lobsters in it

>>211920811
we all know why that ep was there even though it wasnt historically accurate at all since allies liberated no "death camps"

>>211940636
those are books about operations though, not histories or accounts