Thoughts?

>>211958726 (OP)
That underwater sequence literally saved the movie.
I was unironically getting bored before then.

>>211958726 (OP)
Tom Cruise is an awful actor. Cult paid shills will disagree.

>>211958726 (OP)
Kind of a lame conclusion. Becca was smart to leave.

>>211958726 (OP)
They should have stuck to the initial plan and done all filming back to back.
Dead Reckoning wasn't perfect but it was a solid enough flick. In Final Reckoning, pretty much all the best stuff is clearly from the initial draft of the movie. But you can 100% tell where the extra production time went, it sticks out like a sore thumb. Desperate attempts to link up every previous entry, accompanied usually by unnecessary flashback footage to earlier films. The most notorious example is how they try to hamfist in the Rabbit's Foot from MI3.
The end result is a pretty flawed, hyper exposition-heavy mess with a few admittedly impressive sequences albeit at the expense of the director suddenly getting a bit too "artsy" (where he hasn't been for the last 3 films he directed) that can't quite stand on its own but as a final entry manages to give the crew a good enough send-off. Don't make another one.

tl;dr it's not "bad". There are no "bad" MI movies, but it's also not good enough to justify a random watch on its own. The only reason you would ever watch it is if you're going through all of them, and in that respect it's "good enough"

>>211958726 (OP)
Incredibly shit. Can't believe I sat out the full 3 hours

>>211958936
Yeah, the second half of the film is significantly stronger than the first half, which is way way waaaaay too bogged down by tell-don't-show storytelling.
It's also a tiny bit woke? Not enough to ruin it, but I agree they should stop after this one.

>>211958726 (OP)
that was a kino shot

>>211958726 (OP)
Can someone explain to me why they needed to find Gabriel in the beginning again?
They knew they had to get to the Sevestipol at the end of the last movie and they had the key. Why did they need to go after him?

Dude was a better villain playing the jealous brother in La Bamba.

>>211958936
I like your tier list. Although to me Fallout didn't really stand above Ghost Protocol or Rogue Nation.

>>211959005
They tried way too hard to make it all connect since this is supposed to be the final one which actually ended up feeling detrimental. And did it just feel like that to me or was Ethan much more on his own compared to previous movie? All of them have these disparate action scenes where they're not directly in contact with each other but they rely on each other to get the job done at the exact right second. But here it somehow felt a lot more disconnected than in the previous ones. Except for maybe the finale.

>>211959235
>Although to me Fallout didn't really stand above Ghost Protocol or Rogue Nation.
That's fine. Those are the 3 best in any order.

>>211958726 (OP)
not found

>>211958726 (OP)
end the previous film after Ilsa dies, which is 1:40 minutes in btw.
Start this one with the train sequence, then have him go to the Sevestipol, then the final plane sequence.
Both of these films are way too long.

>>211958726 (OP)
Both movies should have been cut down into one. Cut all the bullshit flashbacks and CONSTANTLY recapping shit that just happened, and it could easily be done.
Submarine sequence is fucking S tier though.
Movie doesn't understand how AI or internet works or how Nuclear weapons systems work (they are kept completely off grid, China doesn't even have constructed Nuclear weapons).
The idea that Grace was a poor orphan runaway who grew up on the streets was so fucking ridiculous. If that was true, she would look and sound like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGYkNLOCbt0
Instead they got the most chelsea/cheltenham actress they could, I don't even need to look up that actresses Wikipedia to know she grew up somewhere around Chelsea and went to Cheltenham.
Ending had the rest of the crew do nothing.
No spycraft in the movie, like only use of masks for like 3 seconds.

I've only ever seen Fallout and I have no desire to see any of the other films.

It was okay I guess. Fallout is the peak of post-Ghost Protocol.

>>211958726 (OP)
Tom Cruise ain't finished in Hollywood but he needs to move on from the MI stuff and move back into experimental film.

>>211959395
He's too old and bogged now, his best years for acting are behind him.

>>211959371
>Both movies should have been cut down into one. Cut all the bullshit flashbacks and CONSTANTLY recapping shit that just happened, and it could easily be done.
Maybe, yes. Would have still been about 3 hours tho.
>Submarine sequence is fucking S tier though.
Yeah that was unbelievably kino.
>Movie doesn't understand how AI or internet works or how Nuclear weapons systems work (they are kept completely off grid, China doesn't even have constructed Nuclear weapons).
I don't think this matters that much for the plot to work but I get what you're saying. There are plenty of other bullshit tropes in the series tho.
I don't mind Grace as much as you do and I think that sequence where she's comforting him as he schizo's out after having hypothermia is sweet, although I guess you could argue that's still part of the sub sequence. I agree with you she's a bit of a forced character.

The constant explaining and recapping of old movies in the first hour was literally painful to watch.
40% of this film could have been cut
20% of the previous film could have also been cut
Not sure if together that gets it to under 3 hours.

What a fucking dumb villain holy shit

>>211961212
I can't decide which movie he annoys me lore in.
In 7 he's the tired old "It was Me Ethan, all along, it was always me" bullshit that is always cringe as fuck in every franchise that pulls it and then on top of that they artificially make him OOC Uber powerful out of nowhere just to have forced tension. Lane was better because they actually built him up over 2 movies.
But then in 8 all that backstreet shit gets completely hand waved off and never extrapolated on and he's just le ebin schizo mastermind who wants to rule the world himself and then they give him what I assume is supposed to be a gag death?

Like seriously what the fuck?

>>211961288
>lore
more*

>>211958726 (OP)
The good

>the underwater sub and final airplane fight...seriously, what more could they possibly have added to make those scenes better

>the movie tied up very nicely the entire series with revealing what the rabbit's foot was to ending the movie in the same place it began

>very interesting decision to give Ethan the Entity at the end. He was so adamant that no one person should ever have that power, and yet, they gave it to him and he kept it. Totally expected him to immediately crush it

>killing Luther. It was a bold move as he's a fun character

>the stakes. Couldn't have been higher and the pressure more intense

The bad

>the constant flashbacks and exposition. I KNEW this was going to be a massive problem as they waited far too long from the last movie...but let's be honest, if they didn't, the audience would've been absolutely lost. I have no answers on what would've been better. Too much in one place and it sucks hard. Too little throughout the movie, you keep forgetting the plan and the stakes

>they have two members on the team and I know next to nothing about and who they are as characters (black guy and that assassin French chick)

>speaking of, REALLY wanted more of Paris. But she's just kinda there the whole movie looking good and being bad ass. But no real character to speak of. And they had two movies to make it happen

>>211958726 (OP)
waiting for the divx.avi

I sat next to a guy who said the sub sequence went on for way too long and was boring.

>>211958726 (OP)
It's ok tier. Such a huge budget and couldn't hire better writers?

>>211961486
>I KNEW this was going to be a massive problem as they waited far too long from the last movie...but let's be honest, if they didn't, the audience would've been absolutely lost
Then they shouldn't have made a movie all about bringing everything together and ending it. They could have just done a 1-off.

6 > 4 > 5 > 3 > 7 > 8 > 2 > 1
None of them are bad, but 1, 2, and 8 are all in the lowest tier for completely different reasons.

It's fine.
I wish it was better, but it lands the ending well enough which is kind of all it needed to do.
Kind of reminds me of Halo 3 in that way.

>>211962091
And just like Halo 3, they should just stop now

I thought it was... fine... but they absolutely should not make another one.
It took them 8 entries but they finally came out with one that was super pozzed.
Every single person in a position of authority is either a woman, Gay, Brown, or literally all of the above. And they all talk down to Cruise throughout the film.
Let this be the end. Because any further film will absolutely be worse.

test

what

>>211958936
>Dead Reckoning wasn't perfect but it was a solid enough flick
Wrong, it sucked.

The last two films were really hurt by the way they made them. No finished script, just coming up shit on the fly, writing in a rush, doing reshoots on top of reshoots etc.

they showed the white room scene too many times. I thought people were joking when they talked about the flash backs but shit man

>>211963181
It was fine.
Morocco chase was great.
Cliff Jump was great.
Train Sequence was great.

>>211963877
Morocco and Train scenes were way too long and drawn out, the film itself also introduced way too many characters for no reason, then there's the random nemesis out of nowhere, the shitty AI plot, and the completely irrelevant cliff stunt.

>>211958726 (OP)
It was OK. It's a strange experience watching a movie where you know at least an hour needed to be cut. The sequence on the sub was great, as well as the final bit with the two biplanes.

I have no idea how to feel about it because I actually think most of it was kind of bad, if not outright shit.
But that Submarine Ghost Ship dive was probably one of the most kino experiences I've sat through in a theater in literally years. I was in a theater with some annoying kids who clearly had never seen an MI movie before and even they were silent throughout it.
Huge props to Cruise and the production staff for that part alone.

>>211964416
the weird thing about the nemesis shit is it doesn't even have to be there
You can cut it completely out and lose nothing
It's especially weird that they drop that part completely in 8 anyway.

I thought it was alright but trying to force in a random plot point from III was retarded and completely unnecessary.
I get it's the last one (maybe) and they're making this for the fans, but this is just dumb writing.

Everything up to the title card is complete slop.
I was actually in awe about how poorly paced, written, and exposé dumped it was.
The film also has a fuck ton of dead time. Why is so much time wasted on this American sub with this crew nobody gives a fuck about? Why do we need to keep cutting back to the CIA every time a country has its nukes taken offline?
The Submarine recon is great, yes. The Bi-Plane fight is great, yes. And yes, the ending is pretty appropriate and works well as a send-off for this era of the franchise (because let's be honest, there will be more, with or without Cruise) but for all that, it's still a really messy project that clearly had not nearly enough time on the cutting room floor. I hope the community manages to put together a cut of 7 and 8 and cuts out like 50% of the fat.

>1
Heeeey... Thats pretty good!

>2
I mean it's alright like

>3
Heeeey... That's pretty good

>GP
WOOOOO YEAH BABYYY

>RN
WOOOOO YEAH BABYYYY

>Fallout
THAT'S WHY IT'S THE GOAT! THE. GOAT!

>DR
It's the Biggest Piece of Dog Shit

>TFR
It's the Biggest Piece of Dog Shit.

>>211958726 (OP)
Home release when?
>>211963181
It's an okay movie but holy hell the submarine introduction part is taking too long

Part 1 is a shallow copy of Fast and Furious.
Literally every scene is plagiarized. Venice, Airport, Rome.... Like that.
They share the same audience, as me, so we were mentally comparing all the time, and it is distracting. Sometimes even it felt like FF was the superior one.

>>211958936
I find it amusing when I can tell a persons relative age just but looking at a picture they post. I don't need to know a single concrete fact about you but just seeing your tier list I can already paint a substantial picture of you in my mind and my bet is I would be at least halfway correct.

>>211961928
yeah that was me

>>211961928
It was neither of those things but it was very stupid. I can only suspend my disbelief so far, I get that hyper realism has never been a thing in the mission impossible series but that have at least tried to make his stuns plausible in the past. But the sub scene was something straight out of a superhero movie, just one absurdity after another. The most experienced navy seal would have died a hundred times over, no human on earth could do what he did no matter how lucky you got. It was just too much.

Jurassic park tier franchise where only
The first movie is worth watching

>>211961994
1 is the only true mission impossible movie you fucking underage faggot. Everything after is a james bond ripoff. God you fucking zoomers piss me off.

>>211968165
Please don’t insult bond by comparing it so the absolute mediocre trash that is mission impossible. The Timothy dalton bond movies are better than the best MI

>>211968294
You're right, I think that other anon had it correct. Mission impossible after the first movie had more in common with fast and the furious than anything else. Just a brainless series of action set pieces you're expected to turn your brain off for.

>>211968294
The worst MI (3) is better than any Bond movie from the past 40 years. Absolute dogshit franchise.

>>211968496

>>211968690
Posting a fucking star wars sequel reaction image does not help your argument my guy

>>211969893
>Noo you posted the HECKIN wrong meme “my guy”
Cringe, I won

>>211958936
>mission impossible 1 at the bottom
>mission impossible 4 and 5 at the bottom
cringe as fuck, zoomer

>>211965493
It would be nice. The whole let's set up a Charlie's angels sequel series with Hunt as Bosley/Kitrich is so retarded it fucking hurts. The final cut of the combined movie will have him dropping Atwell on the train and her saving him be like a clooney esque Gravity ghost.

>>211969970
copy paste accident
>>mission impossible 4 and 5 at the bottom
*at the top

>>211968382
It showed the limitations of, the stunt is real. Atwell is clumsy. She fucking ruined it. Doesnt matter if it's real if it looks so fake. Then FAnd F did their movie with theron and Rodriguez kicking ass. Totally staged and fake, but they are good at their jobs. The contrast was crazy.

MI1 has Ethan go on message boards for hours until he finally hooks Max. That's legit.

>>211967431
>Home release when?
Probably August

>>211970156
It was there only movie where they do any actual spy work, it's also the only movie where it's actually filmed like a movie and not just a series of stunt pieces. Anyone shitting on the first movie is mentally underage and has no knowledge of history or film.

>>211970348
yeah it’s the only one I would ever bother to rewatch

>>211967915
I'm 34 going on 35
The first film was never that universally beloved. People forget that the initial mission impossible is actually a followup to the TV series (both of them). When it released, there was a lot of negative attention due to how it treated the initial characters, especially Jim.
It's only more recently that people have tried to flip the script and say that anyone that doesn't consider it a classic is being contrarian. The CIA sequence is truly fantastic. The rest of the movie not so much. It's still a decent flick. There's no bad Misison Impossible Movies.
Mission Impossible as a movie series didn't really find it's groove until the 3rd film though.

>>211970409
Thanks for confirming what I had suspected about you. It's nice to know I've still got it.

>>211970479
Ok Lord Schizo

>Thread is up for over 8 hours
>Decent convo
>all of a sudden out of nowhere several posts shitting on everyone that doesn't only like the first film
Did school get out?

>>211970591
It's just lil troll

>>211958936
Switch 1 and 7 and it's perfect

>>211970409
2 fumbled, 3 was solid, 4 took 3s goodwill and locked us in....but 1 was a fucking hit. It also was meme worthy in the time before memes. Are we clear?

>>211970659
He doesn't even remember that time period so how could he know? To him it's outdated, where are the smart phones? Why didn't Ethan just ask chatgpt how to hack the CIA mainframe? Why did they spend so much time doing spying stuff and figuring out clues and mysteries when that time could have been spent running to or from explosions?

>>211970659
I like 1. But it's the only one that succumbs to issues with aging.
If you personally are more nostalgic for it that's fine. It's a good movie.

>>211970751
The internet didn't even work like that when the movie came out. It's literally less realistic than the AI-shit in 8. Why are you pretending to know about a time when you weren't even conceived?
Actually don't answer that. Your post speaks for itself.

>>211970751
As someone that loves 1, are you intentionally trying to false flag to make people like me look bad?
Please shut the fuck up and go watch Roger Moore Bond. It sounds like what you're asking for.

>>211970899
it's just lil troll
There's a reason /tv/ becomes unusable after noon eastern

>>211970872
The only one that succumbed to issues with aging was cruise himself. He is a tired shell who can't even emote anymore his face is so bogged.

6 > 3 = 4 > 1 >>>>> 5 > 2 > 7 > 8

The Reckoning Films are actual garbage.
That being said, people trying to larp about 1 being the best aren't fooling anyone. It hasn't been for a long time now.

>>211970959
>The only one that succumbed to issues with aging was cruise himself. He is a tired shell who can't even emote anymore his face is so bogged.
Just wait, they're going to force another 2 films where he's sitting in the chair while Atwell and the new black guy do the missions. It will suck.

>>211970872
It absolutely worked like that nigger. You had countless segregated localized BBS you could go on.

>>211970659

Also, the only correct response to my post is: Crystal

>>211970986
1 is the only spy film in the franchise, this is undebatable fact. The rest of the movies are just popcorn action flicks. Nothing wrong with popcorn action but at least try to be honest about it.

>muh sub sequence
>muh sub sequence
it was mid

what do you think it's the weirdest shit Tom got done on himself thanks to his demi-God status in Scientology?

do you think he makes people eat his own shit?

>>211971029
>It absolutely worked like that nigger
oh so we're just lying now?

>>211971049
I liked the part where he spent minutes naked in sub freezing water and his muscles didn't lock up and immobilize him.

>>211971038
>1 is the only spy film in the franchise, this is undebatable fact.
I don't think anyone is debating that anon. But 6 especially is a better action film than 1 is a spy film.

>>211971103
NO THEY ADDRESSED IT BEFOREHAND SO IT'S OK!

>>211971108
And yet we have people here calling 1 the worst of the franchise and bottom tier at best. A laughable joke only a zoomed out child who needs constant dazzling distractions could claim.

>>211970899
1fags have always been the scum of the fanbase. They think being obnoxious and acting like they were there when it came out makes them feel important.
2fans are literally less autistic.

>>211971150
>And yet we have people here calling 1 the worst of the franchise
I would disagree with that yeah.
Likewise, the idea that it's undisputed as the best film is also pretty silly.

I dont know it's not out in good enough quality for a pirate chad such as myself

>>211959041
He was the only one who knew the location of the Sevastopol, until the Entity tipped off Ethan about the CIA outpost in Siberia that detected the sinking.

>>211958726 (OP)
Worst in the series and the worst movie of 2025. The nostalgia pandering montages were cringe and had nothing to do with the content of the movie.

>>211971211
the golden age of piracy is over.
Even my friend that uses multiple proxies gets notices now.

>>211971227
>Worst in the series
Yes
>and the worst movie of 2025
Someone hasnt seen Elio, clearly.

>>211971233
where do you live?

>>211971074
No motherfucker I lived through the birth of the Internet. I was on BBS in 1993 writing gay ass short stories on my buddies forum. What is wrong with what he did?

>>211971150
What a weird fucking hill to die on, MI1 is a 7/10 as best Hollywood action slop that butchers it’s source material and you’re talking about it like it’s fucking King Lear or something

>>211971218
>He was the only one who knew the location of the Sevastopol
so they... let themselves be captured?

>>211971273
>No motherfucker I lived through the birth of the Internet
Literally not a single person who was around for early 90s internet talks like this. You can stop pretending.

>>211971285
No? The plan was to ambush him at the U.S. embassy in London. He ambushed them instead and tried to blackmail Ethan into getting the Podkova for him, but Ethan managed to escape with the suicide pill gambit, and although Gabriel got away, Ethan found his cybercoffin to link up with the Entity and used it.

>I WAS ON THE INTERNET IN 93!
Then why do you schiz out like a 12 year old when he sees an opinion he doesn't like?
hmmmmmm...

best gadget coming through

>>211971332
>The plan was to ambush him at the U.S. embassy in London. He ambushed them instead
Bro why was this part of the movie on speed? It happened so fucking fast compared to everything else. They clearly didn't care about runtime. I don't get it.

>>211971351
Based.
It's a shame the entire Kremlin sequence ended up being pointless.

>>211971251
Elio has a plot.

2 is actually the best film
I'm fine with people disagreeing, but if you know, you know

Do countries actually paint giant flags on their nukes lol

>>211971368
I have no idea, the editing all the way to Luther's death was really choppy.

My favorite part was when Ethan almost caught the bad guy but he just missed him and the bad guy smiled mischievously as he got away.

>>211971490
Why go through all that trouble to kill Luther? Why not just shoot him in the hospital bed?

>>211971559
Because, James, I want you to know it's me. It was always me. The source of all your pain.

>>211971342
Bad man said bad word and it hurt my feelings. Grow the fuck up faggot.

>>211971591
Why did they feel the need to do that "everything in the past movies was actually secretly connected and built to this"
If you're going to build to something long term that's fine, but if you obviously didn't and are just retroactively doing it, why bother
it literally adds nothing to the plot to say "that stuff in past movies was about this!"
Who cares if Old McGuffin was secretly the McGuffin 2.0 or if it's a new one. No different. Who cares
It adds nothing and wastes my time and then reminds me that they DIDN'T Plan all of this and now I'm thinking about all of this bullshit when you could have just not done this and done something interesting
it also just looked cheap and lazy the way they did it.

I actually don't hate any of the first 7 movies.
I have some serious problems with 2 and 7, but I don't hate them.
That being said, the first act of 8 is by leaps and bounds the worst act in any of the movies by far. It was actually really really bad, like 1/10 bad. The only good thing I can say about it is that for the first time in like 4 movies the opening title cards don't have massive spoilers in them, but that's such a reach to say something nice.

Then the second act is slow as fuck for no reason. Who the fuck is this butch lesbian woman on the sub? I kept waiting for her to do something because they kept shoving her in and I was waiting for her to do somwthing. She killed that one guy and that was it? OK. And yeah I'm sorry but you guys are WAY overrating the Sevestapol sequence. I wasn't falling asleep but the music did the heavy lifting, not the story.

And yeah the 3rd act is just alright.
It's so weird to me how despite all exposition crammed into the movie, it still feels like stuff got cut down? Did anyone else feel like they were hinting at more with the doomsday cultists and that barely went anywhere?
Why these movies were not one movie is beyond me. Don't just say Money.

>>211971708
Anon, you have no idea how much it annoys me that there are people actually excited that the rabbits foot became the entity.
I'm just like... it obviously didn't?

They should have just made Fallout a two parter and kept Lane as the final big bad. Fallout did a better job of addressing the whole "you can't save everyone forever, Ethan" plot line, and it did it with a more intimidating villain and tighter story. Part 2 would have Lane going fully insane after being stopped once again and dedicating himself to killing Ethan's friends. Luther and (maybe) Ilsa die, Benji is wounded, final showdown is just 1v1 Ethan and Lane. They would have been able to actually wrap up the Apostles as a story and have a better finale with Lane where they actually kill him. It takes 5 minutes to write a better ending than what we got.

>>211972022
this

>>211972022
BUT ANON, THE RABBITS FOOT!
THE FANS NEED TO KNOW! WE PROMISSED THEM!!!

>>211971918
That's only the tip of the iceberg in the absurdities this movie expects you to swallow. It was horrible through and through, every scene was either some strong empowered woman dominating cruise or some retarded plot hole/twist. The only reason I saw the films was because my boomer dad wanted to see them. There wasn't a person in the theatre under the age of 40. And you would have to be going senile to enjoy the trash this franchise has become.

The Rabbits Foot was literally just another JJ Abrams Mystery Box.
If it was ever going to be addressed, it would have been addressed in some nuclear capacity in either 4 or 6 because that was very clearly what it fucking was, not "the source code for the entity" or whatever other name they started calling it suddenly.

>>211972149
Weird. My theater was mostly teens and kids.
But I generally agree with you regardless.

Alright idiots. I'm going to count to 10. And you're going to tell me a better script for MI8 where everything in MI7 is still canon.
Or else I'm going to kill the thread the only way I know how.

1

I hate the fuckers that are saying that it's better than DR, it's not.

2

>>211972385
Nobody wants to admit the actual truth, that it's simultaneously the worst didn't in the franchise but admittedly nails the ending in a satisfying enough way.

3

4

Davian is the most overrated antagonist in the series.
Fucking Sean in 2 has better chemistry with Ethan.

>>211972497
You're cute.

5

I wanted better for Tom after Maverick

>>211972344
>tell me a better script for MI8 where everything in MI7 is still canon.
This is impossible (kek). 7 ruined too much to be fixed in one movie. They should have ended certain plot points off-screen but they didnt have the guts and instead just flooded the film with older footage and exposition dumps. It literally got WORSE with the rewrites.

Writers strike really did some damage

>>211972578
>>211972588
Excuses excuses.

6

Risky Business 2 when?

>>211972344
Ethan dies in the first act instead and Luther is the main character.
Then at the end Luther takes off his mask and it was Ethan the whole time, literally wearing blackface.

>>211972663
FUND IT

>>211972663
fucking kek

>>211972663
YOU THINK I'M FUCKING MEMING?

SEVEN
SEVEN

>>211972344
Remove the flashbacks.
Remove the opening opening London part.
Have them get to the Sevestipol faster. They don't need Gabriel.
He fights Gabriel underwater.
Gabriel is killed by Ilsa who takes the drive.
Ilsa plans to give the drive to MI6 to clear her name.
Ethan has time race to stop her. Grace catches up to her and is killed by Ilsa after trying to reason with her.
Final fight in London. Ethan kills Ilsa. Shuts down the Entity, is arrested.
Final scene is an implied breakout where Benji and Luther are wearing prison guard masks.

>>211958726 (OP)
>casually reveal that the russians had another key all along that no one knew about (not even the entity because otherwise it would have told gabriel), but somehow couldn't find their own sub in their own backyard
top tier writing

>>211973167
>but somehow couldn't find their own sub in their own backyard
that part is believable, russians are comically incompetent

>>211958751
it's the only interesting part of the movie
everything else is cookie cutter dog shit. the first hour can be deleted. delete all pointless flash backs and call backs. the repeated vomit of exposition about how to stop the ai can be deleted.
the whole ai storyline and having to get all the macgufffins to stop it is retarded. the problem with smart ai shit in a movie like this is that they have to dumb it down to an understandable level which ends up being mind numbingly nonsensical. the plane scene should have been a fantastic capstone but it was ruined for me because i couldn't get behind that everything is happening because they are going to trap the entity in a flash drive and someone needs to pull it out at a right time
for movies like these, you really need an understandable human villain to bring people along for the ride. gabriel doesn't count because he's not a character and exists to read expository dialogue from the script.
it's ultimately just an awful, awful viewing experience because it's the highest of stakes on top of the most stupidest of frameworks

>>211958726 (OP)

Sucking on Pom's delicious toes

>>211958726 (OP)
I liked the first mission impossible movie and the rest of the franchise has just bored the shit out of me.

>>211973167
In fairness, it never made sense to me that another key couldn't be made

>>211973597
Pom underboob was the best part of Final Reckoning

>>211973651
>he didnt like John Woo Kino
White Doves will not fly at your funeral

>>211973734
Holy shit
Ok this movie gets another point from me now.
It's now officially not my least favorite in the series anymore.

>>211973287
I guess so if we're to believe that they couldn't figure out the opposite coordinates thing that any normal person would figure out in about 10 seconds

>>211973739
I love Woo's hk films, but his hollywood movies all fell really flat. Face off is mostly saved by nic cage and dominique swains ass.

I like how it was implied in Dead Reckoning that the entity already had the capability to wreck havoc but didn't because it wanted to basically reshape world order.
But suddenly in this movie it's now the same generic doomsday AI that we have seen in literally every sci-fi movie featuring AI ever.

>>211972022
They could kind of still do this.
Lane is still alive, and for all we know the Apostles are still out there.

it's funny
2 movies and we still know NOTHING about Gabriel

muh list
muh negriss
muh wife
muh ruskie
muh boogyman
muh wife (again)
muh past
muh entity

>>211958726 (OP)
I watched it.
Didn't really like it, but by the time I went to bed I had kind of come to peace with it. But now a day later I'm souring on it more.
There are some good moments in the film, but like... what the fuck happened with the editing and writing?
What are these fucking flashbacks?
Why is Mission Impossible 3 being hamfisted into the plot 2 hours into the movie?
Why is Gabriel suddenly playing a completely different character?
Why is Tom Cruise busting his ass to stay in shape for these stunts but they can't convince Atwell to shed a few pounds just for appearance sake?
Why is the president a fucking lesbian and why is it important that we know that lmao?
Please let this be the end. Maybe fans can cobble together a better stripped down 3-hour cut of both films messed together that flows better, because between the two of them there is some neat shit in there.
idk man. I guess I should have known it would eventually get fucked. 8 movies in 29 years is a long time. It was bound to get rough.

>>211976858
Gabriel being more archaic and representing his own faction I can understand given his failure in the last film.
What I don't get is how we still have no idea who the fuck he is, how he's as elite at everything he is, what his connection to Ethan really is, and even what his plan is.

>>211977417
They basically turned him into the illusive man from Mass Effect 3