What went wrong?

>>211991323 (OP)

>>211991323 (OP)
It was utter shit.

>>211991323 (OP)
Frasier was never funny.

The blues weren't callin'.

>>211991323 (OP)
No Niles, no watch. Simple as.

which is the episode of frasier where somebody overhears something wrong and or jumps to wrong conclusions and events spiral?

For Kelsey Grammer, it's over. Throw him on the scrapheap.

>google it
>cast photo focusing on some random dudes and minorities instead of Grammer
I'm taking it the show was similarly focused?

>>211991323 (OP)
White males have been cancelled, thank god.

>>211991323 (OP)
>No Niles
>No Martin
>No Daphne
Right off the bat that is unappealing. No Niles basically makes it untenable so that's why I didn't watch. I also didn't like what they did with Freddy. There's absolutely no way he ends up a sports-loving fireman. None. Makes me feel like the writers did not understand the characters at all. I could see David Crane ending up like that, he would've grown up close to Martin and had the influence from all Daphne's brothers. Freddy was an intellectual boy raised by an over-bearing jewish mother and his dad was Frasier. Just not right.

It felt wrong from the start. Things only went downhill from there.

>>211991323 (OP)
The same thing as always, too late.
Frasier started as soon as Cheers ended, strike while the iron is hot. For the sequel it was a good decision to wait some years but it should've been 5 to 10 years max not THIS much, with 5 to 10 it would still have everyone alive and active while you can follow Frasier life with Charlotte in Chicago while having Frederic and David making appearances and shit, him dealing with a young adult's problem while rebuilding his life at 50s with the usual shenanigans.
But this current one is simply too far removed from the original to make actual sense.

>>211991323 (OP)
For starters you needed their streaming service to even watch it. Severely limiting your audience is the first step in making sure your show fails.

>>211991323 (OP)
>not with a bang but a whimper

>>211991323 (OP)
He didn't toss enough salad and scramble enough eggs.

>>211991511
>which is the episode of frasier where somebody overhears something wrong and or jumps to wrong conclusions and events spiral?
I just realized Frasier is a slice of life anime.

>>211991323 (OP)
>You're coming back for this soulless cashgrab reboot, right Mr. Hyde Pierce?
"No."

The early seasons of frasier were so fucking comfy bros.

I’m glad I can always return to them

>>211992469
pic related

>>211992552
still one of the GOAT shows

>>211991323 (OP)
I kind of admire the show's willingness to introduce a new cast, but the new characters just didn't land. The context isn't as interesting either. Frasier as a radio host trying to gain a social foothold is more compelling than Frasier being an uber-rich celebrity that also works at fucking Harvard.

>>211992552
My favorite episode of the series is the season finally of season one, season fucking ONE, what other shows can even claim that?
Pure 90s kino.

>Pierce holding back laughter when Frasier says he's gay and it's living a false life kek.

>>211991686
I did not give a shit about the black women in the show ( they were pretty)

but Freddy was the reason I quit watching.
that silly chubby goth kid from the earlier seasons becomes a sports fan and a fireman?
fuck you writers

>>211992774
I've always fucking loved Frasier's mullet lol

>>211991323 (OP)
Kelsey forgot to toss the producer's salad and scrambled eggs

>>211991511
zoomies can't grasp the fine craft of situational comedy which traces its lineage back to Chaucer and Shakespeare

>>211992089
this

>>211991323 (OP)
There was a new Frasier? There's a Paramount streaming service?

>>211991511
That's every episode of Three's Company

>>211991659
Piratesoftwares hair implants look good

>>211991323 (OP)
all the 60-70 year old that made up the audience of this so called "sitcom" have died, now their kids who were forced to watch the show along with them have to incessantly post about it and pretend it's funny otherwise they'd have to go to "therapy" like most foreskinless amerimutts do and find out that they were somehow abused by watching the show.

>>211991323 (OP)
People watched sitcoms because they were on TV and everyone watched the same shit. No one NO ONE watches sitcoms on streaming. Only like old sitcoms you are nastalgic for. Watch King of the hill reboot die in a dumpster fire too. Yes it was good but who the FUCK is going to subscribe to STREAMING SERVICE to watch some sitcom cartoon?

>>211991659
Ben Teter... Whatever happened there?

>>211991323 (OP)
Frasier without Niles and Daphne is like Seinfeld without George and Elaine, I'm shocked it got two seasons.

>>211993493
>There's a Paramount streaming service?
How many of these random ass streaming services are there now? And are any of them even turning a profit?

Genuinely everything about it aside from Allen was shitty. The main cast was fucking giga shitty. The story beats were terrible. The main characters' hang ups were fucking terrible. The tone of the show was all off. Good riddance. The good news is that Kelsey won't care about his legacy when he's dead, but for those of us living it's a shame that he ruined the original run's batting average.

>released in the era of godawful reboots, only the most oblivious retards can still believe anything coming back has a chance of being good
>no Niles
>no Martin, understandable though it is
>no sticky
>no KACL
>setting is Harvard, but it's Current Year, Harvard no longer has the image of great pedigree and prestige, it's yet another retard mill university
>as a result of the new setting, cast is largely students, definitely everyone's favourite demographic!
>fuck it, throw Rodney in there

It would genuinely be better if it was a late season sitcom, you know how they get when they go really to pot, no ideas left, characters flanderized to shit, stupid plots, rot has fully set in etc?
Just schlock like that, where every other episode is Frasier feuding with Cam Winston, or Frasier gets some ridiculous new job for an episode or two. Maybe next week Elliot Bay Towers gets hit by a meteor! Then some shitty gimmick episode where Frasier never leaves the apartment because of a quarantine or something and it's all shot in one take but it's clear the writers ran out of steam by the 13th minute.. Maybe some rapper samples Frasier's show in a hit song and we get some weak combination of the Dr Mary episode and the Carlos & The Chicken episode where he has to deal with being made part of someone else's fun without his consent, but he's afraid of being seen as racist etc, but then in the end he and the rapper make peace and cooperate, like Kirby saving him on the Teen Scene episode, or Bulldog's zombie prank thing.

>>211994564
yeah but Ritter was so good at pratfalls

>>211998611
>no sticky
Soon. It all works out...

>>211991323 (OP)
Even the original outstayed its welcome. Like most US sitcoms it didn’t know when to quit. Then you make a sequel 20 years later with 80% of the original cast missing and a bunch of DEI replacements written in a post-comedy era. What did anyone expect?

>>211997266
Intriguing

mel > daphne

>>211998937
>shitty gimmick episode where Frasier never leaves the apartment
Best not be talking shit about the dinner party episode or I'm gonna have to blackball you.

>>211999915
I wish they’d ended the series when Niles got with Daphne. Most of the couples shit afterwards wasn’t funny. Like Daphne suddenly getting fat because they needed to explain her pregnancy bloat irl. And then Daphne losing her accent and the quirkiness that made her likeable in the first place.

>>211991438
Shut the fuck up. The episode where he is dating the model and everyone thinks he’s delusional is hilarious. The ham radio one was pretty good too. Fuck you you piece of shit

>>211999915
I do think Mel is unfairly maligned, and the comparisons to Maris are completely unwarranted. They basically decided she was Maris 2.0 after spending 10 minutes with her at brunch before she had to leave. How is that remotely enough time to judge a person's character? The conversation Mel has with Daphne in her room makes it clear she cares about Niles and wants to support him unlike Maris who never gave a shit about Niles and never supported him. And in another episode Mel cancels her plans to be with Niles on Valentine's Day, meanwhile Maris would fly out of the country for some insane plastic surgery procedure on their anniversary. The two were nothing alike except for both being high society women.

>>211999941
Of course not. Reboot aside, I don't think Frasier ever hit the doldrums I was talking about.

>>211992774
woke trash

>>211991438
This, fuck frasier and anybody that watched it

>>211998937
they should have got a completely different dog and had it canonically be eddie and have nobody acknowledge how that dog is still alive or why it turned into a black lab or whatever breed it is

>>211991323 (OP)
They better make more Star Trek kino with sweaty fat women running and grunting on alien worlds is all I'm saying, all nuTrek is a blessing

>>211991971
a frasier sequel would necessarily have been about Niles and Daphne - there was no one else that was interesting or had any dangling threads.
however that actor is a fag and had no chemistry with daphne at all.

>>212002449
Utterly horrendous opinion. How the fuck can you watch Moondance and think they have no chemistry? You're blinded by political retardation, no better than the morons who let Kelsey Grammer being republican ruin their perception of the show.

>>211991511
sitcoms are better than whatever serialised crap you're consooming, friend

Mostly audience impatience but some foundational aspects as well. Something about pursuing those characters outside of a lo-fi context makes them almost too real, like you have to reach for dramedy, diversity or some more crass form of meta 'authenticity', instead of finding the structure of Classical comic dramaturgy (chorus, mime, and burlesque) which the original show excelled at. If the materialism of the 90's show appears relatively disengaged and ironic today, now in modern shows it's sociality itself that appears inauthentic, stilted, ironic and disengaged. The dramedy worked in the new show and forced it into a believable pacing, but the way an extended cast of family/friends and colleagues/acquaintances melded together all-at-once didn't.

>All the Old Comedy writers worked within a highly structured format – parodos, agon, and parabasis – which paradoxically offered maximum scope for improvisatory flights of fancy. Song, dance, costume, and chorus all played important roles, as did the parody of the ‘senior’ drama, tragedy. Possibly due to the influence of tragedy was the important role of a heroic figure in Aristophanic comedy: as Northrop Frye put it, “In Aristophanes there is usually a central figure who constructs his (or her) own society in the teeth of strong opposition”. The diminished role of the protagonist (and chorus) in his latest works marks a point of transition to the Middle comedy.

MY BACON! IS FARMER FRANK’S BACON!
THERE’S NO MISTAKIN’! THE QUALITY!

Wouldn't you say that prime Seinfeld is like Greek Middle or New Comedy, whereas prime Frasier is like 'the good shit' -- Greek Old Comedy?

>>211991323 (OP)
Frasier left the building.

Putting lightning in a bottle twice is difficult.

Frasier was basically French farce in sitcom form, the new series lacks that.