Is it just me or surprising amount of Hollywood movies has "Just Give Up" as its main message?

>>212004353 (OP)
1977: In Star Wars Obi Wan gives up fighting Vader and dies
1983: In Return of the Jedi Luke gives up fighting Vader and gets tortured
1993: In Falling Down William Foster gives up and purposely gets himself killed by the cop
1998: In Gattaca Jerome kills himself because he is tired of being a cripple
2008: In Gran Torino Walt Kowalski get himself killed on purpose to protect some random migrant family
It is also usually portrayed as a some sort of triumph for the main character. Like "just dying" is the best solution for their problems and struggles. Do Hollywood promotes hopelessness or not?

>>212004353 (OP)
>>212004512
Wyatt Stagg and Devon Stack talk about it a lot so it is not an original observation but I want to know what you guys think

>>212004353 (OP)
give up to win is a buddhist/zen thing which means it gets to people like Lucas through shaolin kungfu movies and to Wachowskis through their zen class they got inspired by to make literalized in a movie

>>212004512
>Five movies from four decades have wildly different themes and stories are… le same and this is sign of Hollywood’s agenda to make people *checks notes* … to give up because some characters are suicidal bad guys and others are magical monks or doing heroic sacrifice.

Oh my goodness how can they get away with this?!?

>>212004698
Yeah, but Buddhist monks don't watch these movie. Young White men are the main target audience of these popcorn flicks. And a lot of Whites that watched these movies in the 80s look like they just gave up.
So it is a bad message, I would say. Hollywood should give us sth more inspiring

>>212004747
I should have also added Vanilla Sky from 2001 where ending is a clear metaphor for suicide. Basically saying: "Unhappy with your life? #JustKillYourself"

>>212004353 (OP)
>>212004512
To be fair Jedi dying just means they get to become a force ghost so it doesn't even mean all that much. If you could look up into the sky and see the ghosts of dead people chilling with Jesus up in the clouds death wouldn't really be that impactful

>>212004762
wait are you serious with this? I though the post above with kidding around, but OP actually believes that obi telling Luke to Let Go of his egotistical striving and let the will of the Force act (i.e. the advice central to the Protestant Christianity held by all the top white guys in America over the 200 years that it became the main country of Earth) is to make White men weak?
God no wonder you listed Falling Down which is about an outright fuckwit monster psycho whose family are terrified of him, who it looks like you only see as "white man" therefore he's the good guy lmao. you idiot

>>212004353 (OP)
They went too hard on their 'just give up, white man' messaging and now that entire world has stagnated.

>>212004512
You're glossing over massive plot points to a degree I question if you even saw those film. Obi Wan has become one with the force. His death is more of a transition to a higher existence than just giving up. He goes on to directly impact characters from that higher existence across more than one film. He did become more powerful as he said would happen.
Falling Down's plot point isn't about oh just give up. It's two older men on different life paths but each with massive hardships. Scene shows both men's commitment to see the day out. A simple arrest would not have the same effect. That why early on Robert Duvall's character says he never had to pull his revolver. So that scene shows even on his retirement day he is committed to the job. You just focused on Dfens too much.
Gattaca is more like a selfless act after almost getting caught. He says go live your dream for both of us. I'm not going to be the one that stops you.
Gran Torino is another selfless act being he already knows he has massive health issues. Then given Clint's icon level career as a bad ass and early set ups hinting his character is still a bad ass it plays out more like a twist with a redemption arc VS oh he gave up.
Like damn dude, go rewatch those films being even if you're just tolling it seems like you got hard filtered like a midwit.

>>212004747
>>212004967
>>212005248
Is it just me or are all three written by the same guy?

>>212004353 (OP)
OG star wars is not hollywood
pic unrelated since the message is not to "give up". but that there is a transcendent reality

>>212004353 (OP)
name at least 10

>>212004512
>>212004353 (OP)
Gattaca is literally a movie about a guy who never gives up despite being at an insane disadvantage compared to everyone around him.

>>212005598
I was talking about the wheelchair guy

>>212005305
here - but if you want to disbelieve it, that's fine

>>212005639
ok, I believe you.

>>212005639
>>212005305
>>212005684
the reason it looks like the same person is because OP doesn't mention white people but the responses do. I did pick up that idea from that first person's response which proposed that anti-white was OP's subtext, but OP then seemed to confirm in a further post. >>212004762 but maybe that is also just someone else rolling with it

>>212005598
>Gattaca is literally a movie about a Jewish self insert who never gives up despite being at an insane disadvantage compared to every White stand-in around him that literally sacrifice themselves in order for him to achieve his goals
See https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E93ZWqUgc-k

>>212004512
>1977: In Star Wars Obi Wan gives up fighting Vader and dies
Obi-Wan doesn't give up, he uses his death to become even more powerful, allowing him to watch over and guide Luke beyond even death.
>1983: In Return of the Jedi Luke gives up fighting Vader and gets tortured
Luke doesn't give up, he stops playing into the Emperor's plans, he is using inaction to fight against the Emperor. The torturing sucks, but it also helps him finally get through to Anakin.
>1993: In Falling Down William Foster gives up and purposely gets himself killed by the cop
Michael Douglas might be the main character, but he's still the bad guy, and it's arguable if he's actually even the protagonist. Duvall's character has a better case for being considered the film's protagonist, and his whole arc is not giving up (retiring) because of his past and his circumstances. By the end of the film he stops letting others push him around.
>1998: In Gattaca Jerome kills himself because he is tired of being a cripple
Him being alive is a liability to both himself and Hawke's character. Also the whole premise of the film is that genetically engineering people to be perfectly adapted for a specific thing condemns them to a living hell if they can no longer follow through on that.
>2008: In Gran Torino Walt Kowalski get himself killed on purpose to protect some random migrant family
He was dying anyway, sacrificing himself like that accomplished different things, it let him be re-united with his wife in heaven (within his own beliefs as a man of faith in the context of the film), it let him screw over his kids and grandkids who he felt contempt for, and the main goal, the cops weren't paying attention to the crimes in that neighbourhood because it was considered typical of the culture, and also because nobody had the guts to testify/press charges against the gang. The gang killing an unarmed white guy in front of witnesses sealed their fate.

>>212005740
I remember teachers showing this movie to us in school and even then I always hated the Vincent character because I saw him as selfish. Despite being able to fake his way through the film, we are repeatedly shown that he isn't actually capable of the things he pretends to do. Like that scene where he is on the treadmill and all the other valids are shown to be able to keep pace without even being short of breath or having a high heart rate, but Vincent has to excuse himself to a private area where he collapses from the strain. This is fine on Earth where it's just training, but the actual mission will be dangerous and his inability to actually keep up could cost the other members of the crew their lives. Sure it sucks that he got dealt a bad genetic hand, but that doesn't give him the right to risk the lives of other people who are actually suited for the role.

>>212004353 (OP)
this thread is a PSYOP trying to change the perspective.
most of these are examples of the noble act of SELF SACRIFICE