>terminator franchise burned out, lost it's fanbase and became totally unprofitable right before actual unironic AI began to dominate humanity

Who's responsible for this blunder?

>>212022026 (OP)
Simply very bad writting.

>no cowboy era Terminator movie

>>212022026 (OP)
Right before? It hadn't been good since 1991.

>>212022026 (OP)
It's Arnold's film unfortunately. You can try and break away from it but you will always end up bringing him back. Only film you can make is a prequel showing the future war that loops back to T1 in the end.

>>212022250
Dont forget greed and unnecessary sequels!

Hack directors that think they can carry King “Based” Cameron’s masterpieces.

>>212022026 (OP)

Terminator only has 2 movies though. I´m still waiting on Terminator 3 though now that Arni is in his late 70´s both that and King Conan seem unlikely to happen.

Not to mention that with Cameron declaring himself in favor of Skynet any vision he may have for this has been rendered worthless and hypocritic.

Terminator is not set up to be a franchise. The first film is clearly a standalone film featuring a causal loop. Skynet is created because the terminator goes back in time and is destroyed. John Connor is born because he sends Kyle Reese back in time to save his mom and he and Sarah Connor bang. Skynet is already destroyed at the start of the film; the war is already won.

Every other film has to retcon this causal loop in order to justify its existence. The only one that did it well, was T2, and it didn't do it well, it's just an excellent film.

As such, you're either stuck retreading T2, with "the past is not written. Or is it??" or you go into the future where you know John Connor is going to win.

It's akin to making a sequel to Lord of the rings where the ring isn't actually destroyed or someone makes another ring, and Frodo has to once again destroy it

After the latest mission impossible movie I was struck w\ the irony that when terminator came out we had zero concept of ai and the implications.

>>212025460
Cameron always planned two movies. He wanted the T1000 in the first movie but did not have the budget or FX yet so aged him. Also he removed the scenes of Sarah wanting to blow Skynet up so he could use it for the second movie. T2 is really the movie Cameron wanted to make from the start but again didn’t have the budget and CGI wasn’t fully developed yet

I like Terminator 1 Terminator 2 and Terminator 3

I'm baffled by the fact that they have NEVER, not once tried to do a horror reboot of the franchise.

Why? It'd be significantly cheaper to do so, instead they churn out complete dogshit action slop. I get it after T2 you'd want to do that, but its been 30 years now. It's okay to bring it back to the mood of T1 for a fucking try.

I sincerely hope they do

>>212026336
The gig is up for the IP though, the parameters of the object of horror are known and well established by now.
T1 itself works as a horror movie, the unknown threat slowly unfolds up to and until the end of the disco scene in layers following a well executed horror formula, the foreboding nature of the threat keeps rising up until the very end, and it leaves the viewer with some dread; the threat is a future and feasible one and cannot be chased away by a cross or holy water, it is inevitable and it is coming for you

>>212022026 (OP)
They should cast Arnie's lovechild as the new terminator

>>212022026 (OP)
Time travel was always retarded

>>212022279
>sending a terminator horse because the terminator would crush a real horse
I will now watch it

>>212027317
>the parameters of the object of horror are known and well established by now.
You say that as if there aren't horror franchises with 10+ movies attached to them.

They could absolutely do another horror spin on the franchise

>>212022026 (OP)
Ironically James Cameron, for giving the last two films his blessings.
>>212026336
I want that, too, but that won't happen.

>>212027913
True but they've turned into self aware parodies. I wouldn't want the terminator franchise to oh wait nevermind.

>>212022026 (OP)
People who didn't stop making them after 2
People who didn't stop watching them, legitimizing the previous category

>>212026223
>Terminator 3
I bet that shit came out when you were 6-12

>>212022026 (OP)
Cameron already stated he's doing a proper third sequel to cap his career. He's doing a Joe Abercrombie genre movie, then his Hiroshima Nagasaki epic, finishing his overseer role on Avatar 4-6, then retiring with a canonical Terminator 3 that will feature AI as the threat

Cameron will retire having directed or produced the top 10 highest grossing movies globally which was presumably his plan starting with Terminator 2.

>>212030672
>>Cameron
Lmao he hasn't made anything worth a shit since the 90s

>>212024648
Arni has completely sold life rights to his likeness and was the first actor to be fully body scanned and voice recorded for future AI performances. Cameron will perfect this with Terminator 3 using his Avatar toolkits

>>212025586
Philip K Dick was slinging doompilled AI genre classics in the 60s and 70s. Michael Crichton wrote Terminal Man in the 70s. Kubrick released 2001 in the 60s.

>>212026336
upgrade came very close. so did the kino universal soldier day of reckoning oddly enough.

>>212022026 (OP)
Terminator, Predator, Aliens. Jurassic Park all suffer from the same disease where they all tell the same story over and over and over again

>>212025460
The last 30 seconds of T1 is so kino it's obscene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsLjJYh3i_0

>>212030776
>nuCameron
>Avatar
lolololol

>>212030996
And all of them should have stopped decades ago

>>212030672
What about the Alita sequel?

>>212025460
that makes no sense, they can easily invent more companies that will create skynet and more terminators and ppl who try to sotp skynet 2.0. It's very easy to think of a sequel

>>212022333
It wasn't good, but it was profitable all the way to Genisys.

next movie should be lolineitor T-Cunny

>>212031305
Never. It was a shit movie and a shit adaptation

>>212031426
exactly the shit that anon above was talking about

>>212022026 (OP)
There Terminator should've been a standalone film with a short 1990s TV series set in the future war. The franchise was a mistake.

>>212031498
The company that owned the rights went bankrupt as did the second company that bought those rights.

terminator resistance is really good

>>212025460
"One possible future"

>>212036227
dead wrong alert

>>212031305
>>212032906
robert rodreguez told joe rogan alita 2 is happening. he has all sets stored at his texas studio. they are finishing the script. bigger budget. said it did gangbusters on streaming and rentals

>>212030996
The real disease is CGI. Compare Stan Winston's Predator to this Badlands goyslop

>>212022026 (OP)
The person who made the female terminator in T3 be just another T-1000 instead of a cute innocent-seeming infiltrator who played on John's emotions and instincts. The fact that this was successful concept in the show, and several later non-Terminator movies shows what a missed opportunity it was, to complete the simple threat-threeway: strong (800) fast (1000), deceptive/'smart'.

>>212037804
> on streaming and rentals
in south america probably. I'd question why if they even shoot the sequel in English

>>212031426
Yeah, you basically just said what I said they would have to do. You've effectively just said: they've made a new ring. Now Sam's children must go and destroy it.
>>212025668
Yeah, I get that, but T1 as it is written doesn't lend itself to a sequel without retconing the set up of the film.

>>212035883
Are you implying that Judgement Day, the universally beloved kino and one of the most profitable movies ever made when it came up, was somehow responsible for the bankruptcy of Carolco Pictures, instead of the infamous megaflop Cutthroat Island?

>>212038097
How would that even work and not be too easy of a kill?
Be child, get close, and it's over? Or be hot and online dating? Don't see how it'd work well nor how it'd end up different than getting chased. "Oh no she's not my gf she's a Terminator, RUN!"
I don't remember much of the show

>>212022026 (OP)
>Who's responsible for this blunder?
>blunder
This was AI's plan all along.
Same thing with the Matrix. Any big franchise with evil robots/computers as the main threat suddenly became shit and not worth talking about, then mostly forgotten. So no one growing up now will have any fear or uncertainty about using AI or letting robots into their home? When was the last time you saw anyone talking about I, Robot? That used to be a fairly regular meme around here. No one uses it anymore.

AI just makes funny pictures and videos and does my homework. AI just gives me free therapy and companionship when I'm lonely. Nothing's wrong with AI.

>>212025586
well you're stupid and arrogant

>>212041792
>When was the last time you saw anyone talking about I, Robot?
virtually every day I come to /tv/

All AI has done and will do is make skilled labour less valuable. It isn't helping the poor, it's just making the middle class poor too. It's destroying the ladder and making an even bigger gap between rich and poor.

>>212041886
>virtually every day I come to /tv/
I must not be on here like I used to, In fact I know I'm not, but I rarely see it anymore. maybe once every couple weeks, if that.

>>212022026 (OP)
So how does time travel work in the Terminator universe anyway? We know there's clearly some sort of butterfly effect since they try to go back in time and kill John Connor before he becomes the leader of the Resistance, but what rules are there specifically?

>>212043069
Only living tissue or things covered in it or that can replicate it can time travel.
There is something like fixed events. Or Judgement Day in some form is a fixed event. A "savior" for humanity is a fixed event/outcome.
There is some form of self fulfilling prophecy on the side of the machines in that the attempt to kill Sarah Connor sets in motion the very means for John Connor to be born.

Taking in all the movies that's what I'd say I notice off the top of my head. Or what I can remember.