When did Hollywood go to shit? Late Bush/early Obama ear?

>>212046828 (OP)
When Trump was elected in 2016

>>212046869
MDE never dies!

When World Peace was cancelled

I thought that was the peak to be honest

>>212046869
Ghostbusters came out before Trump was elected, so no.

Occupy Wallstreet terrified the rich and they created a race conflict to distract people from the class conflict.

>>212046828 (OP)
>When did Hollywood go to shit?
2013. And there is a book about why, I do know /kino/ refuses to read, but it explains everything from 2013 up to late 2024 when the US went fucking crazy
>The Coddling of the American Mind: How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas Are Setting up a Generation for Failure

>>212046828 (OP)
After 2001

>>212047258
Why would that kill kinowood?

after Avengers: Endgame

>>212046828 (OP)
About 2012 or so, roughly speaking.

>>212047431
You mean After Avengers 1
but honestly in late 90s. Slowly, there were still many good movies, but it started there

>>212047398
People started demanding more women and minorities in Hollywood, which ruined everything.

>>212046869
it's that when leftards went mentally ill extremsits about nothing and ruined everything they infiltrated?

2015 is the start of the "hey we can just make a Star Wars/Avengers/poopoo film every two months and surely people will still come and see them, no need for any mid-tier original movies any more" era.

I don't think the entertainment industry in general ever recovered from the 2008 recession. Only capeshit after capeshit.

>>212047258
didn't happen

>>212046828 (OP)
When Barack Osama was elected instead of a literal war hero.

I miss Obama

>>212050263
>tan suit
>beer summit
>"Cool clock Ahmed"
miss him every day, the two goobers we've had since don't have a 20th of his charisma.

>>212050263
You mean you miss his scriptwriter.

>>212049266
That started with prequelshit way before

>>212050263
Never forget the 14,000 dead in Ukraine on his hands.

>>212046828 (OP)
Remember when everyone was baseding out about the leftards winning?

>>212047438

>>212050263
he would replace bald eagle with fried chicken and legalize pimping in Washington DC

>>212046828 (OP)
post writers strike
there was an assault on power and everything changed.

2001 stopped the millenia optimism
2004 furthered killed it when america got mired in the middle east
2008 had devastating effect on racial relations
2013 is the point of no return for me, identity politics flourished by then and blossomed by 2016
2020 and COVID just accelerated the downward spiral

>>212046828 (OP)
When are finally gonna have a sane president like Obama again? Not a senile corpse or drumpf

>>212049191
>am i fitting in yet?

>>212051719
They had boots on the ground in the middle east days after 9/11, didn’t take 3 years.

>>212047438
so basically, Jews.

>>212047438
My favorite conspiracy theory. There's another iname about someone talking about how the progressive stack killed OWS but I haven't been able to find it in a while.

>>212046828 (OP)
2012, propaganda redirects domestic

Probably some time in the mid-2010s, it wasn't a hammer nail thing where all the sudden we went from indie dominated stories that touched your heart to glorified hallmark movies and cutting edge graphics like a video game.
Hell there's still a few good movies every year. It's just the "indie" wings of major studios shrink every year and the production companies currently dominating indie films are more focused on off-putting horror and off-clothing whores than real intimacy.
I'd say when Mira Nair's last feature came out, she really was the perfect example of that era of personal intimate stories that at their best touched on social conflict and race without losing sexuality and intimacy.

>>212052231
the only other time you’ll hear about the progressive stack is in retarded groups like the DSA which are functionally a wrecker organization filled with feds. idpol doesn’t work on the right wing militias in the same way so they just goad them into kidnapping a governor or something retarded and hide the fact that the militia was 75% federal agents afterwards.

>>212046828 (OP)
When the occupy wall street movement was shut down.

>>212052231
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>>212052545
Are any of you doomer schizos gonna comment on my picture? >>212052420
Shit should be making all your engines fire.

>>212052626
i’m not sure what i’m supposed to care about here if i’ve already accepted american politics are an illusory dumpster fire

>>212052420
Lol at the fact that NYC next mayor is cia Nepo baby

>>212046828 (OP)
It started when NigBama got elected, and went into overdrive at the end of his second term to try and get Shillary elected. When that failed, they went full global Marxist in 2016 when Trump got in office, and its been shit ever since.

>>212053002
it’s really sad that it’s nigh impossible to tell if this is serious or not anymore

>When did Hollywood go to shit?
1975

2012 was the seminal year like everything else

>>212052231
Neither of those are theories. They happened. As soon as Arab spring resulted in a number of regime changes media coverage of occupy shifted from “it’s such a wonderful thing to be able to organize thanks to social media” to “it’s bunch of privileged disorganized WHITE MEN who have no idea what they're actually protesting” while nigger feminists insisted they be “heard” in occupy leadership and the organizers stepped aside so female negros could be “heard,” and they said nothing of note beyond race nonsense, in a class consciousness protest, and occupy basically dispersed.

>>212046828 (OP)
Obama was just there when it happened. But also the guy who repealed a law making it illegal to target propaganda at Americans

>>212052083
>Obama
He was the biggest piece of shit we've had in over 50 years. The most divisive and destructive to both our society, economy, and world standing. He was a globalist piece of shit that continued to cede more U.S. power to global industry interests. He should be hanged by the neck until dead, right alongside the Clintons, and Bush.

>>212053018
It’s really just that you don’t want to believe it is serious.

>>212053271
in the same sense that i don’t want to believe i’m predominantly interacting with special olympics participants on here, yeah

>>212053331
It’s best to start believing in that, yer doin it

European style socialism would fix America. This is the only idea the elites, Trump and his oligarchs fear.

>>212053719
Kek go get raped by a migrant, dipfuck

>>212053732
He's right tho

>>212053719

The fact that you think we're all that different is hilarious. Our worst cities are the most "socialist."

>Trump in any way an elite or "oligarch"

lmao, the only way he's here is thanks to white rednecks forcing him through the 2016 primary

>>212053719
>>212053815
>endless handouts to nigs and muslims
or
>endless handouts to nigs and spics
if anything america has it better because at least the spics work

>>212053847
>European style socialism
or democratic socialism if you prefer
Your worst cities are anarcho-communist

>>212050263
People miss the 2000's and early 2010's, Obama was a mid president.
His second term he was useless and decided to focus on identity politics and allowing in more illegal migrants for votes.

>>212053959
>this retard believes minneapolis and seattle are literal war zones

>>212047438
All those spikes were because of the Trayvon shooting. That and the subsequent nonstop media circus are what kicked all this off.

>>212046828 (OP)
Man I miss Obama so much.

Back then we were respected. The position of the President of the United States was treated with respect.

Now its a fucking joke. If I knew things would be this bad, I would have made everything in my power to make Obama emperor for life. smfh

>>212053984
You know fuck all about political ideologies. You are literally the finest example of the failed american education system. Read a book , retado

>>212054043
>Theleftcantmeme
That half black Muslim was never MY president. He basically destroyed America.

>>212053959

The funny thing about socialism is that it eventually resembles anarchy. I've been thinking a lot about this, the reason socialists fail over and over again in America isn't necessarily their economic policy (which I still think is bad). They speedrun decline because they tend to be PRO CRIMINAL, every single time. And when you are pro criminal, you are immediately beset with a culture of insecurity and decay that drives everybody productive out. This happened everywhere during their first ascent in the 60's/70's, and it's happening again with the Zohran guy in NYC.

Hypothetically, you COULD make it look more palatable if you just didn't also package it with gross criminality and disorder. Nothing can ever thrive in a criminal community, everything positive screeches to a halt.

>>212054077
i would love for you to explain how anarcho-communism has a foothold in a country that has no economic planning and spent the last half century toppling any remotely socialist government that didn’t play ball with global capital

>>212054043
Biden ended the war in Afghanistan, Obama didn't end shit and ruined Libya/enflamed tensions in Syria.

>>212054147

I think a lot of this is because historically, since the 1950's, the leftist/socialist coalition has been in bed with civil rights progressives and blacks, who naturally favor criminals. It's a toxic package that is doomed to fail every time it's implemented.

>>212053158
stop being so harsh on Orange Guy please

>>212047438
>>212052231
It's the dumbest shit in the world. Woke was going strong already. Occupy Wallstreet was an irrelevant joke.
>The real struggle is le class struggle! you only care about niggers ruining everything because they are dangling shiny objects in front of your face to prevent the uprising of the proletariat!

>>212053719
And have migrants flooding in to the point where Europeans don't even want to be in Europe anymore because lefties seem to think that one of these darkies will invent the fucking hoverboard.

>>212054180
We all miss Biden

>>212054269

We already have an NA country trying "European style socialism".... kek

>>212053127
God it is depressing how many of you morons keep saying this
Do you know WHY the financial collapse even happened?
It's because they were giving out mortgages to minorities and illegals with bad credit because it was racist they didn't own houses.
So we were already at 'crash the economy for racism' levels of woke BEFORE occupy wallstreet even happened. Woke has been going much, much longer, it has been the driving ideology of America, it is not a distraction it is the main course.

>>212054249
lol woke shit was not on anyone’s mind in 2012, at best you had some faggots on twitter unironically calling themselves social justice warriors before gamergate really accelerated it all online.

>>212052115
Do you hate being called out for things you made, anon?
or you are still doing the "it didn't happen" in 2025?

>>212054043
what wars did he end? Bush had mission accomplished and Biden pulled out of Afghanistan. what o-bomber did do was fund isis because Assad was too close to Russia, topple Gadhafi bringing back open air slave markets to Libya and replace a mostly secular Egyptian dictator with an islamic Egyptian dictator

>>212054311
yeah they didn’t just give predatory loans out to anyone because it made them money in the short term without caring about consequences, it’s just Muh Racism and Muh Woke Shit. they definitely haven’t been consolidating insane amounts of capital under private equity firms ever since then.

>>212054155
>in a country that has no economic planning
What are you talking about. The amount of regulation and central control of the American economy is outrageous. How many trillion is the government in debt? How many millions in utterly made up make work jobs? How much spent on redistribution schemes? The idea that America and Europe are more than superficially different is ridiculous.

>>212054327
The only thing made here is your impotent seething

>>212054314
They called themselves SJW until it became a bad word, then they called themselves WOKE, and now they reject it becuase that became a bad word too.
They were already around around in 2012

>>212054348
>yeah they didn’t just give predatory loans out to anyone because it made them money in the short term without caring about consequences
Yes, correct. Banks have a business model. They are not retarded. They do not generally give loans to people who have zero chance of paying them back.
Look up the Community Reinvestment Act. It was literally government policy, not the banks.

>>212054375
You still say that after literally everyone voting against you, including "your side?
How does it feel to lose your culture war, the one you started and we finished?

>>212054406
Before that we had "political correctness." It is something that has existed a long, long time, so long you can't even quite pinpoint when it began. But it was already in a very, very advanced stage by the early 2000s.

>>212053847
How is a billionaire who’s able to buy political support not an oligarch?

>>212054442
I don’t live in America, enjoy being canoed by a chink in the near future.

>>212046828 (OP)
Yeah, when Obama was elected all the white people were patting themselves on the back for how progressive they were and defeating the evil republicans, and they've been trying to outdo each other in their virtue signalling ever since.

>>212054406
not him but social justice/woke/cultural marxism or whatever 5 year branding they're currently using did go full mainstream in obombers 2nd term. its been around for decades but it was always fringe, social media dragged into everyday life for every day people

>>212054490
if cultural marxism had anything to do with marxism they would just call it marxism

>>212054490
We just didn't have a name for it before.
Everyone still was "anti racist", thought nazis were the worst things ever, thought gays and lesbians were just great, were basically feminist, etc.
It has been in the very air we breathe since the beginning.

>>212054516
they do, as i said they rebrand every 5 years or so, we've already gone through both terms. what are we on now? democratic socialism?

>>212053719
European here, we don't have socialism, but social democracy and it's true it works. I can't imagine not having healthcare or my government-mandated 25 vacation days a year like you lol.

>>212054476

An "oligarch" is part of the ruling in-class. Elite is a better term in the US since we don't have a distinct cabal of a few super rich individuals like Russia but rather this mass of well to do elite people in various levels of ownership, administration, bureaucracy, an army of elites. Other super rich men have tried to "buy" the Presidency in the past and failed miserably, like Bloomberg (who puts Trump's NW to shame). These elites despise every bit of Trump's platform, which is nationalistic and working class coded.

Were Trump a true elite, he wouldn't be resisted by his own party establishment, conspired against, jailed, shot, etc. He is rich, but he isn't "in", because he went rogue against their shared platform and values, which are globalist, cosmopolitan, statist.

>>212054581
enjoy your 3y long cancer treatment waitlist lmao

>>212054581
>and it's true it works.
also a European here. no it fucking doesn't, dont lie.

>>212054431
Did the government tell banks to outright lie to people about the nature of the loans? The most pervasive tagline was something along the lines of “the interest rate adjusts to your lifestyle!”

>>212054516
That makes zero sense. They wouldn't lie? They wouldn't rebrand themselves? They do it all the time.

>>212054620
why would we have to wait 3 years for treatment? our government offers euthanasia now!

>>212054452
Political Correctness came from another place, from a puritan conservative branch.
The new perpetually offended of ~15 years ago were sex negative leftards

>>212054620
Enjoy your not getting treatment at all lol
Inb4
>no because im not a poorfag
The poor getting equal healthcare as the rich is necessary for public health

>>212054635
they don’t even call themselves cultural marxists, that was a term made up by the right, so the entire premise is retarded. people who care about idpol still call themselves woke.

>>212054484
Ne neither. My guess is that normal people would prefer a chink problem than a woke problem

>>212054431
But they did. They got people to take on loans and told them they could refinance and then they never were able to, they also packaged up the loans and sold them elsewhere so they didn’t have to care. This is well documented.

>>212054452
I remember when the political correctness movement all but died when the Americans with disabilities association formed and one of the first things they did was hold a press conference begging media/marketing to stop “targeting” them, stop “including” them, to stop shining a spotlight on them, because they were just people who wanted to live their lives as normally as possible, not be a specific demographic or talking point.

There was a bit of this in gamergate as well, with the whole “we are not a criticism shield” bit, but that got flooded out.

>>212054676
>still call themselves woke.
No hey don't. Now that it became a bad word, they say that the other side invented the word (when they were actually them stealing from blacks and bastardizing the meaning, the poor antiracists)

>>212054676

Cultural marxist is literally the best way to describe them. They seek to apply the tenets of marxism to culture first so that it can affect politics downstream. This starts with:

1. attacking the superior class of person
2. propping up the inferior class of person

"Egalitarianism" is literally cultural marxism. It operates off of the assumption that we are blank slate creatures and any kind of inequality MUST be due to oppression therewith.

>>212054676
they've never denied being marxists/socialists/communists. they admittedly were trying to subvert culture using marxism, thus the name (self owned or not) fits

>>212054603
>Other super rich men have tried to "buy" the Presidency in the past and failed miserably

Because the Supreme Court ruling on citizens united vs the fec hadn’t classified campaign contributions, lobbying, bribery, etc, as protected speech yet. The US used to have limits and regulations in place to prevent, for instance, King George III from just buying the colonies back.

>>212054658
>Political Correctness came from another place, from a puritan conservative branch.
No it didn't. Sorry but that is another one of these BS narratives.
PC was always leftism. Related to feminism, race stuff, all of that. They literally coined the term themselves.
Those crazy church people were actually just reacting to this societal degradation. But you can see they weren't in the driver's seat, since they lost.
This is like in the future if they say Trump people being against pronouns and sex changes were 'PC'. It's the opposite.

>>212054717
That could happen for 3 reasons:
Their disabilities werent' menta, unlike the current day politically protected categories
Internet allows activists to hijack the discourse and silence the ones who don't want the shitty spotlight
And last but not least, normality still existed and was naturally enforced, like it shoudl be

>>212054658
Sex negativity is a bipartisan push. Neither side caring that they’re against pretty much everything the other side wants, but they agree that porn is bad.

>>212046828 (OP)
Likely around the Occupy Wallstreet movement when corporations co-opted far-left political ideology and subverted it to meet their agendas.

>>212054792
Fair enough. I accept being corrected.
Do we agree that those leftists wold be called far right nazis by current left?

>>212054837
Hey fuckhead that's been mentioned at least 20 times and it's turned into the entire discussion.
What is with people who come in and are in such a rush to make the most obvious point possible they don't even bother reading the thread, because they just have to get their genius idea out there to bless us with.

>>212054788

But that's what I mean, you can't just buy the Presidency, much less a nomination. Trump didn't have to do anything special monetarily, just say exactly what working class men wanted to hear. "Stop immigration, stop outsourcing." Now why did none of the other 20 or so candidates in 2016 or 2024 say that? Because these are tenets of the elite. They are globalist cosmopolitans and free movement/free trade are CORE to their shared vision. It's the old "what are you not allowed to criticize" thing.

>>212054867
Absolutely they would.

>>212054895

And zoomers in 2025 may not realize it but in 2016 saying you were going to stop outsourcing and deport people was highly radical stuff in the mainstream, they were losing their minds. The current meta is thanks to him shifting the overton window.

>>212054895
You can just buy the presidency if campaign contributions, lobbying, bribery, etc, are classified as “speech” and protected by the first amendment.

>>212054756
>>212054784
it’s unclear to me how an economic ideology centered around receiving the appropriate return on your labor and having labor rights in general is related to idpol and DEI, beyond American hegemony actively benefitting from conflating the two to keep you from attacking the people who import browns en masse to drive down wages and maximize margins. i’m sorry that the American public is completely mentally cuckolded but that doesn’t mean you have to play ball. Trump won and somehow the evil boogeyman persists as if he’s not capable of doing anything he wants about it, which is certainly convenient.

>>212054947
So you literally just ignored the entirety of his post to repeat the dumb shit he already responded to.

>>212054756
>If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.

>>212054928
There is no Overton window. There is no pendulum. These are bullshit post-hoc concepts created to induce passivity in politics. What is a viable political stance is determined by how hard it is actively pushed, not by some magical bullshit moving on its own.

There are no “slippery slopes” either, every single solitary change or political “progression” comes from huge amounts of people/money actively pushing them, up a hill, in the snow

>>212054960
You are the worst, FYI.
>how an economic ideology centered around receiving the appropriate return on your labor and having labor rights in general
"Oh Marxism? Yeah it's just about labor rights."
Why even bother speaking if this is what you're going to say?

>>212052127
Afghanistan isn't the "Middle East" technically and people actually supported our going there and fucking the Taliban up. The Iraq War (which is in the Middle East technically) was based on complete lies, had the largest anti-war protests in human history, and resulted in actual regime change and American presence up to this day in Iraq + Syria and led to ISIS.

>>212055007
Communists are such boring dimwits it's almost unfathomable.

>>212054982
Yes, I stated the absolute fact that the Supreme Court ruled that limitations on campaign contributions, lobbying, bribery, etc, was very recently deems unconstitutional, in response to an attempt to deny absolute fact.

>>212054868
Imagine reading all the other dross in the thread and not just giving the answer you want.
Terribly homosexual behaviour.

>>212055055
You have an unfathomably low IQ, and this point is not relevant at all, but you know Trump spent less than Kamala, Biden AND Hillary right?

>>212055021
feel free to refute with quotes from anything written by marx and not by a youtuber, podcaster, or twitter personality that you get all your ideas from

>>212055121
Yeah no. You suck at posting and are board cancer. Imagine the level of narcissism your behavior entails.

>>212055159
How about the absolute failure of his ideas everywhere on the planet? Is that a refutation?
>No but he SAID it wouldn't fail so it's not his fault
Just go fall out of a helicopter.

>>212055170
Didn't read whatever you said.

>>212047258
>your real enemies are successful white men, not us sociopathic, subversive commies who are genociding you
leftypol, i hope you burn in hell.

>>212054828
>but they agree that porn is bad.
They only superficially agree.
To one side porn is sexual content and showing an "inappropriate" amount of skin.
To the other is anything straight and normal, from beauty with no sexual innuendo to hardcore porn. While anything ugly, gay, trans and fetishistic, no matter the magnitude, is extremely positive
Actual porn IS bad, as in universal access to omnipresent porn for any age.

>>212055263
>Comrade your enemy is the peasant down the road who owns two cows. Why should he own two and you only one? We will kill him and take his cow and all be rich
>You kill the peasant, take his cow, then the bolshevik murders you and takes both the cows and kills them, then goes down the road to the next village for the same thing
>Present day: Hey chud stop worrying about browns and junkies and perverts, it is that guy down the street in the nice house who is oppressing us, let's team up and murder him and take his stuff

>>212055017
The OW will always be corrected by the fact that normality exist an morals at their core has a bilogical foundation. You cannot move too far in a direction without a self correction

>mccain was so shit that he lost south carolina

also dont forget, obama wasn't eligible to run for president because he wasn't born in the US, and the mccain/palin movie was kino

>>212055240
no it’s not a refutation it’s more whining from people who will continue to suffer and wonder why nothing’s changing even when they “win”

>>212055017

Of course there is. Pretending like societal and political movements aren't momentum based and cyclical is retarded. They obviously are. You can see echoes and parallels constantly in history.

This is because 70% of society are politically passive. They slowly lean towards whoever is winning the debate on the fringes, or exacting their will hardest. And so, like a pendulum, they swing about slowly, and it gains momentum as it becomes mainstream, because normies, true to their name, lean towards whatever feels "normal" and secure.

>>212055007

More like "if you can use black men to make white women sad and agree to legislation to pick the pockets of their white men, you win"

there, I JUST DESCRIBED AMERICAN POLITICS SINCE 1950

>>212055140
>man who asserts attempts to buy the presidency failed in the past therefore it is impossible to buy the presidency after the Supreme Court ruling on citizens united vs the fec made bribery protected speech is asserting intellectual superiority

lawl

>>212055369
Again, they don’t care. They both want porn gone and they don’t care why they’re getting support from the other side.

>>212055485
>post-hoc bullshit like the Overton window and pendulum are real because hindsight says they are!

amazing

>>212055426

The entire point and function of McCain and Romney was to be unpopular wet rags that would lose, as proven by their Senatorial behavior after.

>>212055661

>we make conclusions on human group behavioral dynamics based on how humans have behaved and not hypotheticals on how you personally think they behave

yes anon we do indeed use history to draft concepts, crazy stuff

>>212046828 (OP)
The simple fact that Trump is waffling on deporting the labor that underpins a lot of the US economy at the behest of his big business friends should tell you everything you need to know about American politics and what your future is as a native citizen of this country.

mccain was a dumb retard and im glad hes in hell

>>212055698
>politics is an active rather than passive phenomenon?! That’s just a hypothetical you personally believe

Thanks for confirming such concepts as the overton window and pendulum are pushed to induce passivity.

>>212055810

The overton window/pendulum are simply things that exist, they aren't pushed, they can't even be controlled, they are massive phenomena that have more to do with one side forcing the momentum and winning the culture war.

BLM/SJWs aren't new. Read about the 60's/70's. We went through THE EXACT SAME SHIT in America, literally to the letter. Black riots, feminists and faggots protesting, urban degeneration, immigrant floods, white flight. The backlash came in the 80's/90's, when you finally had a Democrat pretending to be a tough on crime, anti immigration, patriot in Bill Clinton, in order to have a chance at being elected.

Why is it that boomers are so sympathetic to SJWism, but Gen X isn't? And same with Millenials/Zoomers? Things are cyclical. Predominant metas change, like a stock chart, there is a general trend and direction but the local peaks/troughs oscillate. Culture is similar.

>>212055948
They are post-hoc simplifications pushed to induce passivity.

The gold standard for the Overton window is bill clinton going from “marriage is between a man and a woman” to “eh gay marriage is fine.” The Overton window theory says the window just magically moved. The reality is he ousted an incumbent to be president with a mostly republican house/senate, so he took the former stance to try to reach across the isle and be able to do anything but be a lame duck, then once house/senate elections replaced tons of republicans with democrats, then he flips to gay marriage being fine, as he no longer needs any republican support. This attempt at crossing the isle also costs him reelection.

So either the overton window isn’t actually real or it shifts completely randomly.

>>212055707
The big Agra giants can afford to process thousands of seasonal work visas, and eventually pivot to million dollar automatic harvesters.
But those small/medium farmer types that voted for him are basically fucked.
The level of brown in the country will never stop increasing in any case.

>>212055772
Yeah, imagine wanting to bomb bomb Iran! What a silly neocon!

>>212056657
What costs more, a $600k harvester that needs constant maintenance or 600 illegals being paid under the table? The answer may shock you. This is also why we’re never getting full automation of labor.

>>212056571
Dems achieved Gay Marriage legalization by bringing in moderate Republicans and reluctant Dems with "Civil Unions". Gradually getting people used to the concept. The trans snowflakes just pushed too hard, and turned on anyone who strayed even the tiniest bit from their rhetoric. And also pushed at transitioning children too hard. They wanted what the gays took decades and decades to achieve overnight.

>>212056789
Clinton flipping from being against gay marriage to supporting it also set acceptance of it back several years, was a point you missed.

>>212056718
Big Agra is pivoting towards $50 million dollar machines that don't need no human at all.
The independent farmer is pretty much doomed.
People like Bill Gates with his 300,000 acres is the future of farming.

>>212056852
Nah, it was inevitable at that point, and Slick Willie will always be remembered as a swell President, for all his warts.

>>212056887
A swell president who wasn’t reelected.

>>212056571

You literally just ignored the first half of what I said. Gayness WAS being pushed in the 70's. Just like now, they were using the courts and other bureaucratic means to force it a certain way. They legalized abortion, they made anti white racism legal and anti black racism illegal, you had whites literally fleeing their homes and running for the hills. The 80's, Reagan, and then GHWB, caused a RADICAL paradigm shift for the time. Patriotism, nationalism, freedomism, traditionalism all returned in force. Cities became tough on crime even.

You forgot the first part, Bill Clinton had to PRETEND to be a Republican in order to even had a chance. He didn't show his true colors until the cycle had started working back the other way. This is why there are so many clips of Dems sounding like modern Republicans in the 1990's, that was the meta. But they wouldn't have said the same shit in the 60's and 70's.

It isn't random, it's reactive. At some point one side moves too far and there's a backlash, snapping effect. They even call them "reactionaries" which is something of a freudian slip on part of leftists.

>>212056887
Actually I’ve humiliated myself by getting wires crossed about clinton’s presidency.

>>212056887
Last time the country had a budget surplus.

>>212056915
>the post-hoc bullshit isn't random, it's reactive!

reactive to what.

>>212056902
He was caught up in peccadilloes of his own making, at a better time when Presidents were expected to have dignity. The worst I hold against him was probably NAFTA signing, (which has since been revoked and then reinstated with tRump's spastic signature on it).

>>212055369
>>212055620
>>212054828
https://www.nytimes.com/1985/08/26/style/joining-hands-in-the-fight-against-pronorgraphy.html

Here's an article from 40 years ago about the most powerful Christian conservative in America and the most radical feminist in America teaming up to ban pornography, complete with admissions that this is literally the only issue they agree on but they agree completely on it

>>212046828 (OP)
Everything started to go wrong when Obama was elected
Kino movies were replaced with capeshit and indie arthouse films
Good music was replaced with EDM and clap stomp clap
Fun sites were replaced with social media
Everyone began using smartphones
Hipsters started showing up everywhere

>>212057043
>old man yells at cloud

>>212056956
I felt you had, I lived through Clinton. He was a pretty charming dude and a reasonably good politician (in the best sense). Course it helped that the GOP self-sabotaged with Noot.

>>212056915
>They made anti white racism legal
Legal where?

>>212046869
It's true, though the culture was headed that way already. GG had set the scene in gaming media for everything to be criticized for its politics, Trump's 1st election just enshrined that every piece of media would be criticized for its politics first. And we still live in a landscape where people see media as a political vehicle for a message that other falls left or right. It was the death of popcorn media. Would have happened if Hillary got elected too, the stage had already been set

>>212056961
It’s amazing what happens when the house/senate and president are completely incompatible.

>>212057043
Nah it all started going sideways with Shadow President Cheney and the Great Executive Power Grab. Clinton was satisfied with the powers and responsibilities of being President.
Everyone since has grabbed more and more and more Constitution-defying superpowers.
Really Biden's biggest failing was underutilizing them, but he was a pol from a different era.

>>212047258
You know, good point. Hollywood had already been largely overtaken by finance graduates when the race war was artificially reignited. But I think normalfags going online also changed what perceived audience metrics and signaling studios prioritised. It all piled up at the same time in late 2000s.

>>212057126
The Reaganites HAD to get rid of Clinton somehow, he was just too damn effective as President, and was gradually dismantling supply-side economics. A succession of Clintons and we'd never have Bezos/Elon/Zucks.

>>212056789
Trans shouldn't have anything period, not now not in decades.
Except the right to exit and be cured (cured, not transitioned)

He was the greatest corporate shill in history because guys like Bush or Trump, they get pushback, but when he does it you gotta congratulate him for being black

So he got a bunch of leftists to love invading and bombing the middle east
And he got a bunch of leftists to love bank bailouts and pharmaceutical/insurance company mandates
And he got a bunch of leftists to love the CEOs of Microsoft/Disney/Google/etc.
And he got a bunch of leftists to love outsourcing/scab labor
He was the single biggest beneficiary of Citizens United in history, pulling in over twice as much corporate money as McCain or Romney
He ran on a platform of repealing the PATRIOT Act, explicitly condemning it as illegal and unconstitutional and suggesting Bush should be jailed for it, and then signed a renewal of it, then vastly expanded it
There was no immune system response for it, he was a black dude so he's gotta be right about everything, right?

In that way he really was the most damaging president in American history, however you feel about the "activist class" he permanently gutted it. 25 years ago a quarter of a million people turned out in Seattle to burn cars and beat cops because they WANTED tariffs lmfao

>>212057223
>the guy who came up with NAFTA and the WTO was gradually dismantling supply-side economics

>>212057093

Legal everywhere. Read the actual texts of civil rights legislation. By "protecting" everyone but straight white men they leave only straight white men defenseless. The results have been obvious. Decades of "rainbow coalition" marches through the corporations, government, everything. It wasn't just a cultural thing, it was literal LEGAL MANDATE to marginalize whites and white men and prop up every other class of person. If your organization was "too white" or "too male" it drew scrutiny.

>>212057037
>they agree completely on it
They don't agree on the definition of porn tho. At least not now

>>212057063
>>212057156
>meme non argument
Objective truth hurts, uh?

>>212057249
Yes, everyone remembers Obama for inventing outsourcing and his massive invasions of foreign countries.

>>212046869
Nah, Trump was elected as a response to this.

>>212057156
The Bush admin did more harm to the country than Obama could have. Obama was just a sellout, Bush administration was the epitome of evil

>>212046828 (OP)
>When did Hollywood go to shit?
Have you ever heard of "the Internet?"

>>212057301
America can prosper just fine with global trade, if the globalists who are raking in a fortune are forced to actually pay a fair share (via taxes).
Globohomo is a catastrophe specifically because the Oligarchs can endlessly hide monies on islands and keep getting GOP tax breaks.

>>212057401
My take is that the Obama administration did more harm because it continued Bush's policies while making everyone opposed to them grudgingly defend them. Jerkoffs like >>212057354 who spent years rightfully contesting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan had to suddenly explain why the wars in Syria and Libya were low-key based.

>>212057249
Obama is the most competent conservative president since Eisenhower.

>>212057401
>this retard was bad
>NO this retard was bad
and so on and so on until the country collapses because Muh Side

>>212057457
Because Obama actually had Conservative Principles. The GOP has completely forgotten what those even are.

>>212050263

86 44.

>>212046828 (OP)
Middle/end of Obama's 2nd term

>>212057418
>ackshually child labor factories and illegal immigrant slaves working for $1 is cool because it makes the line go up
Shit like this is how you end up with Teamsters voting red for the first time in a century even though Republicans hate unions so much their dicks hurt

>>212046828 (OP)
The blackpill is realizing McCain was just Obama wearing whiteface

>>212057573
Organized Labor voting GOP is about as constructive as lighting yourself on fire for Palestine.

>>212057573
would’ve loved to be a fly on the wall when the teamsters realized that the republicans aren’t stopping low wage mass immigration either

>>212057598
And yet it happened, just six months ago, because "America cannot survive without infinite migrant and sweatshop labor" apparently wasn't a compelling argument from the "left-wing" side and all MAGA had to do was pretend not to loathe them as much as Romney/Ryan did

>>212057605
The solution to this will be to vote in a Democrat next time and get more low wage mass immigration

Hilariously I think this may be the one issue nobody wants and everybody agrees on

>>212057630
>And yet it happened
Trump sold them the ruse that billionaire leaders were the answer to the woes of the working man.
Which will never not be hilarious.

>>212057673
People with a net worth over $1 million supported Harris over Trump by a 57 to 43 margin
People with a net worth over $1 billion supported Harris over Trump by a 61 to 39 margin
Which bears out on why Harris had over twice as much campaign funding as Trump in spite of Trump being bankrolled by the richest man on earth

Sources:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/2024/10/30/kamala-harris-has-more-billionaires-prominently-backing-her-than-trump-bezos-and-griffin-weigh-in-updated/
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/06/us/politics/trump-harris-campaign-fundraising.html

>>212046828 (OP)
With the birth and the evolution of the internet and digital technology things changed, system changed.

>>212057714
I'm not speaking to that, #1. And #2 shadow money is entirely untrackable, even to Forbes (thanks SCOTUS). So yeah, their REPORTED monies went to Kamala (so virtuous!).
But it was the billionaires fighting to be front row for Trump's inauguration.

My point was that Trump rused working class people that he and those same (now Cabinet) billionaires were their salvation, please ignore Trump's entire career of fucking over people working under him!
The only things going super-swell under Trump are crypto bribes and tax breaks for billionaires legislation, unless you are fans of foreign bombings.