Were Italians retarded in the previous century? Why in the fuck would you dub the actors voices in their own fucking language? It's just terrible to watch. I just don't see a reason for it. Maybe someone can help me understand?

>>212078651 (OP)
I assume it has to do with shooting on location instead of soundstages

>>212078651 (OP)
They were always filming without sound because it was cheaper, all the lines were prerecorded and added in post-production

>>212078747
Fellini in particular loved odd sounding, stilted vocals. Fun fact: in Satyricon, all of the actors are just saying “one, two, three, four” in Italian and all of the dialogue was done by different people in a soundstage.

>>212078816
So it was cost effective? Was it really that much cheaper to do it that way? The Americans had no problem doing it properly at the time as well and even way before that

>>212078651 (OP)
Wut, everyone does that. You mean badly?

>>212079774
I meant record the movie initially without any sound and then add voices and other effects in post production. it causes lip syncing issues

>>212079774
>Wut, everyone does that
No. Majority of the Italian movies just didn't record dialogue in the scene. Actors then repeat their lines in post production trying to match the film sync.

>>212079858
>>212079925
Yeah everyone does that. It's called ADR Additional Dialogue Recording. That doesn't have to mean other dialogue wss recorded. Its just the name. It was probably done in the last thing youveagched. Maybe just a few lines but still. I really think it's just catching your attention because it's so bad. A favorite bad example if mine is Aguirre Wrath of God. Italians are not the only ones to filmed entire movies in ADR. Offhand I think the first few Bond movies were pure ADR. It's largely a technological issue.

>>212080325
no, the entire movie is ADR, not just a line here and there

Italian movie industry, especially in the 70s, was ruthlessly commercial and utilitarian, like uber Corman. Just look at Joe D'Amato's filmography, it's mass produced exploitation, they even combined as many exploitation genres and trends together as possible to cover the entire market (turning Emmanuelle into cannibal slasher zombie movies).

>>212080404
Right that's what I'm saying. Aguirre is pure adr. The first few Bond movies are adr. I wanna say Thunderball was the big jump and then it was still like 20% adr or vice versa. These are all English language films. Or at least largely. Kinski aka Aguirre is purely speaking English. Maybe others weren't. I bet Fellini had some playback limitations or something. Like in the sound booth they couldn't watch the film properly to match it. Maybe I don't know.

>>212078651 (OP)
if you think all the sounds, including dialogue, come from the microphones on set you're in for rude awakening retard

>>212080325
Movies like Suspiria had zero on set audio

>>212079344
>The Americans had no problem doing it properly at the time
Italians aren't Americans.

>>212080943
you think? what about those fellas in the godfather?

>>212080325
No, not everybody records literally nothing during filming on set.
This isn't ADR. There was no soundproofing to speak of, and Italians just rolled with it. Everything came in post production.

>>212078651 (OP)
All movies until the late 70s were dubbed in the post-sync, stop being a retard

>>212078651 (OP)
It was so producers could casting couch actresses without having to worry if they could act

>>212081002
Just off the very top of my head the first 3 or 4 Bond films are 100% pure adr. Do I really need to put in Dr. No right now? Do you really not believe that there is zero live audio in that film? Maybe I'm remember that incorrectly but know I've watched it with that in mind and also took note when it changed like in Thunderball or something. The Bond series is absolutely the best way to watch film history unfold in real time.

>>212081234
I do not understand how you are failing to grasp that every Italian movie was recorded that way. Are you genuinely going to pretend that Dr. No has no scenes made on a soundstage? Or that everything they filmed on the soundstage did not have a sound? And that's why it's the same thing as Italians recording nothing on set for several decades for 99% of the movies, if not more.
This is such a bizarre point to be stubborn about.

>>212081486
>Are you genuinely going to pretend that Dr. No has no scenes made on a soundstage?
So that's a yes. You do not believe me that the first 3 or 4 Bond films have literally zero live audio in the films and are 100% pure adr. Here I'll put in Dr. No right now.

It's Italy, and post war Italy at that, so there's just constant jibber jabber everywhere, the sounds of fighting, automobile accidents, and at least a theft or stabbing, or a theft that lead to a stabbing. Or a prostitute being murdered. Very hard to get a quiet set, especially since all of that is probably also happening on set.

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>>212081624
>So that's a yes.
>Five days later, filming began at Pinewood Studios, Buckinghamshire, England, with sets designed by Ken Adam, which included Dr. No's base.
That's a no. Are you sincerely going to pretend that the British studio founded in the 30s had no soundstages for 30 fucking years? Get the fuck out of here. I don't even know what this conversation is. You heard shitty sync there, and now you're pretending they filmed every scene with no sound being recorded?

>>212081970
What does that have to do with anything? Maybe they were getting out of the rain. What do you care ehat they did? Literally anyone. All that matters is what's on the screen no? And it is pure adr. I think maybe the confusion is maybe a new found ability to even do adr. Anyways here I just started it.

>>212078651 (OP)
You've never seen Singing in the Rain I take it

>>212082376
No, but I've only heard of it. I think it would make more sense for that movie, because it's a musical. It is a musical, right?

>>212078651 (OP)
That way they can change the script, change characters, please the church censors, use international actors without problems, film several sets in the same studio at the same time, have less technical problems...

>>212079344
most dialogue in outdoors scenes is re-recorded in American films also

>>212082200
>What does that have to do with anything?
It has to do with the difference between having ADR for action scenes and outdoors but still recording on soundstage on-set performance in Dr. No and literally never recording any sound at all, no matter the scene, in every Italian movie since Mussolini.
Why the fuck would Young film in a studio set and not record the sound on the fucking soundstage of the same studio? Do you not understand how psychotic you sound?
What are you starting there? Are you going to post webms to a board with no sound to prove a point about sound? Are you fucking drunk?

>>212082528
and use beauty queens with zero acting skills is easier if you don't have to record their voices
Claudia Cardinals got dubbed by another actress until the mid 60s

>>212082551
I remembered it incorrectly. Maybe it's just the 2nd or 3rd film. Anyways Aguirre is a huge one. I'll see about some others.

>>212082424
Yeah but it's kind of a period film in that the actors are dealing with this new technology: film and audio at the same time. It's a hilarious movie actually. Highly recommend it

You need quiet cameras which are often expensive and very good microphones to record usable dialogue audio. Even on a sound stage it can be difficult. Outside much more so.

>>212082772
It was the first three or four months only

by the middle of 1929 Lubistch was making full musicals with Maurice Chevalier, and by 1931 all the tech problems were solved and the camera was moving like in the silent era

>>212082551
>since Mussolini
So roughly from at least 1945-65 basically every if not literally every Italian film has almost or literally no live audio in the film? I assume that stopped at some point. Surely by 85. So just so I can start checking. I guess I'll start with La Dolce Vita

>>212080325
you're a fucking retard and have no idea what you're talking about

You people are absolutely retarded. You think the average movie you watch the audio is only what's recorded by microphones on set?

>>212084171
dialogue is almost always recorded on set, yes, you fucking zoomer

>>212084391
You only watch movies released after 1995. Shut your faggot ass up and get raped vile animal

>>212084475
>reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
compelling counterpoint