Woah those guys were wild. Maybe they deserved to be exterminated?

>>212098173 (OP)
>When your fat son does like a bitch

Nah bro, they were kino.

>>212098173 (OP)
You're only saying that because you know if you lived in those times you'd be the Virgin Sacrifice and not the Chad Warrior-Priest

>we need to sacrifice thousands of humans and tear out their hearts while they're still alive so it can rain
unironically a d*monic culture that deserved to get ran through by the spaniards

>>212098250
Generally priests were a separate caste that dominated the warrior caste at most times. No different to now really just replace priests with experts

>>212098309
You can't argue with results

They weren't exterminated. They Spanish fucked their women and their descendants are modern day spics.

>>212098309
>Spaniards slaughter millions of people in the name of Jesus
Demonic culture you say?

>>212098309
you shouldn't blame pagans for being degenerate because it's in their nature

>>212098358
>>Spaniards slaughter millions of people

They didn't

>>212098456

>>212098309
We have all been tricked into worshipping demons after the second bronze age collapse

>>212098358
more like in the name of the pope
spanish are catholics

To be fair they were cool as fuck. I prefer the murder-raping, blood pyramids erecting, skull armor wearing indios to the fake "peaceful" native americans living in tents. Wouldn't wanna have either as a neighbour, but the former make for more interesting material.

>>212098173 (OP)
>spaniards come
>little shithead tribe butthurt about the aztects joins the spaniards to betray their people
>help the spaniards to competely wipe out native civilization
sad! many such cases!

>>212098358
That was war. Everyone did that

>>212098309
By ran through surely you mean infected with smallpox.

>>212098309
uuuhm...christianity does the same by forcing thousands of millions of kids to go to church two times a year

>>212098173 (OP)

>>212098358
learn your history you dumbass spic

>>212098665
>ally with the clearly overpowered new faction against the psychopath retards that kept sacrificing people to the gods
What betrayal?

>>212098173 (OP)
How the fuck did these guys not know there's an entire city in their fucking backyard?

>>212099452
They weren't exactly the brightest

>>212099452
They lived in a fairly small territory, just big enough to support their tribe, and they didn't fucking care about the rest of the world. I wish we could still live like that. Men will never be as happy as they were back then. (Except for when you were the loser of the village, but whatever.)

>>212098531
>spaniards killed billions in the name of the antichrist
lol

>>212099452
It's great that Mel cast native looking actors, any other director and it'd be indian extras with Matt Damon as the main indian

Aztecs were so bad that their neighbors were willing to team up with pale, hairy-faced aliens to take them down.

>>212098173 (OP)
They are Mayans. Mayans didn't get exterminated.
They survived in the jungle living in their little villages and jungle cities, they were isolated and avoided the worst of the Spanish Conquest.

Today they still live in Southern Mexico and Guatemala. In fact the majority of people in Guatemala are pureblooded Mayans, they managed to avoid mixing with the Spaniards too.

That's also why the world Hispanic is wrong btw, some of these peoples have no Spanish blood at all.

>>212100887
More like rival peoples were led by power hungry tyrants who'd do anything, even selling their own land and killing their own, for a chance at having even if just a bit more power

>>212098358
spaniards also got rid of jews, so yeah they are good.

>>212100952
Nah m8, the Aztecs were dicks and kept these people in a weakened vassal state and constantly raided them for new sacrifice captives.

>>212100917
Current geopolitics aside, it's a very nice geographical area for a primitive people to live in, no shortage of rainfall and incredible biodiversity, meaning no shortage of fruits and animals, just a neat land bridge with lush foliage.

>>212098309
It's their culture Chud, their god is no less valid than the Christian god or the flying spaghetti monster (which I personally worship ironically xD).

Applying European Christian moral values to them is colonialist and imperialist, as it presupposes that their indigenous BIPOC value system is somehow less valid.

The fact that Tlaxcalans who allied with the Spaniards and comprised the overwhelming majority of the Spanish army that conquered Tenochtitlan had more rights and better lands than white European Spaniard settlers and were also the very first colonists to invade the Philippines (the very first expedition that landed in the Philippines and initiated its colonization consisted of Nahuatl speaking Catholic Tlaxcalan warriors) is meant to whitewash them because Europeans predicted they'd be accused of racism 500 years later

>>212101120
Who are you arguing against? You made some strawman in your head and now you are arguing against yourself?

Very unhinged schizo post threatening to ruin a comfy thread.

>>212101120
Spain was so racist and evil that it gave black people encomiendas and recognized them as full conquistadors

>>212098173 (OP)
>Woah those guys were wild
actually one of most civilized in area and era

>>212101214
Spaniards were so remarkably evil and misogynist that Moctezuma's daughter became an influential and wealthy Catholic noble under them with more rights than were ever afforded to women under the Aztecs

>>212100979
To be fair, jews were the ones that invited the arab armies, so they totally deserved it

Moralizing history is dumb. Spaniards wanted their shit and they took it. Simple as. The christwank is just for history books.

>>212101293
Moralizing history is the base of nationalism and the opposite

>>212098834
>not mentioning tribe mutilating own (and not only own) male children, traumatizing them wih permanent brain damage
if you want to complain about religion, blame each one equally

>>212101288
>white, blond visigothic rulers give the entire peninsula peace and prosperity for centuries
>spaniards (brown): *smacks lips* shieet
>Al-Habibi arrives at the gates one day
>the spaniard, seeing their identical appearance in complexion, opens the gates without really understaning the ramifications
>spain delves into an unprecedented dark age only salvaged by pure austrian rulers

>>212101269
Cortes in particular was such a monstrous hitler figure that he prevented Tlaxcalans from massacring another tribe in order to establish a mutually beneficial alliance with them. He also had them participate in colonial expeditions where they benefited from doing so like white colonists.

This is exactly what we're facing in Blurmpft's America.

>>212098309
there were other native inhabitants who wanted to get rid of them, so they allied with the Spanish. it's funny, it's kind of like if a genocidal regime somewhere was taken out with the help of foreigners and then later on everyone starts crying about how they dindu nuffin

>>212101402
Forgot image

>>212101417
Tlaxcalans paid 0 taxes and were all recognized as Hidalgos (nobles), it's insane how privileged they were under the Spaniards. See >>212101120 pic

>>212101402
Mexico's population fell by over 90%. Sure most of that was diseases. Ultimately you can argue all you want but the Tlaxcalans fought for their own demise, of their people and culture.

>>212098512
The heir to the Inca throne, who became Catholic and assimilated into Spanish society but was nonetheless critical of Spanish excesses and was aided by Spanish monks in championing native rights, wrote a memoir where he described first witnessing the Spaniards and perceiving them as superior angelic beings by virtue of their height, light skin, blond/red hair and physical beauty.

>>212101547
>Sure most of that was diseases.
And you cannot ascribe moral fault in the absence of intentionality. Most diseases reached Mexico before the Spaniards themselves.

>>212098309
They were doctors, lawyers, philanthropists. They wanted to help people, to save people. And the Spanish ruined it all.

>>212098512
>>212101570
It actually gets more spicy, he says that this impression was shared among all of the Quechua people who saw them. They found them too beautiful to be human in the same sense that they were, like witnessing elves.

>>212101570
bruh, the Spaniards asked for a ransom from Atahualpa, a room full of gold, and then after he complied they killed him anyway, you really want to bring the Incas into this? The Potosi mine slaves? Spaniards were so noble truly angelic.

The spanish exterminated them for their lust of gold

>>212101681
It's not Atahualpa, it's Titu Cusi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu3BFrcHOAE

>>212101642
>>212101570
Holy shit this retard is so dumb he falls for 17th century propaganda, not even modern propaganda, he takes shit written as propaganda 300 years ago at face value.

>spic rape babies larping as christfags trying to justify the destruction of the amerindians by conquistadors hundreds of years ago

Just cut the cables going into the third world already

>>212101721
Watch the video, it's sincere and actually even blames the Spaniards for many excesses.

>>212101736
Yes the more brown someone is the more they simp for the Spanish conquistadors, it's truly a fascinating Latin American phenomena.

>>212101736
>destruction of Amerindians
Peru is full of Quechua speakers and Indian genes survive in every Latam country. Unlike the British the Spaniards weren't racist and preserved many elements of native culture such that Spanish colonial nations are still largely defined by it. The same cannot be said for the US.

>>212101417
Happened across what's now the third world
>Tribe A is slaughtering Tribe B
>Tribe B flees to European Outpost, asks for help
>Tribe A decides European Outpost is full of wealth, attacks it
>European Outpost allies with Tribe B, effortlessly defeats Tribe A
>Tribe B is so impressed and overawed by the power of European Outpost they agree to become a protectorate
>The remnants of Tribe A are placed under direct European rule
>This will later be called "divide and rule".

>>212101789
>Unlike the British the Spaniards weren't racist and preserved many elements of native culture

Just shut up

>>212101849
If Anglos weren't genocidal racist Nordicists the US would be brown and full of native cultural traditions. Instead Germanics opt for apartheid and genocide.

>>212101789
>the Spanish weren't racist
>enslaved the Indians and put them to work to death mining silver to ship back to Spain
>but that's totally fine because they gave a nobility title to this one noble, also the native genes didn't die off completely, it's totally fine

>>212101906
The laws of Burgos and Sublimis Deus prevented enslavement of natives. Encomienda workers weren't slaves.

>>212101928
Sure, cope however you wish.

>>212101953
You're just historically illiterate and informed by woke latinx studies historiography that isn't even written by actual Hispanophones, but rather by Anglo postcolonialist Marxist retards in Berkeley.

>>212101789
Come on, stop being an imbécil. You know that the natives Spaniards found had a civilization and therefore could be ruled and converted. Things would have gone different if they were rogue steppe savages like those anglos found.

>>212102006
I'd agree if it wasn't for the fact that Chile is still mostly Mapuche genetically and Paraguay is Guarani, both of which were nomadic savage cultures without any state organization. Guarani is even the official language of Paraguay

>>212098309
now there's 60 million versions of those things, but with 2/3rds of their genes, running around the US.

>>212101979
No, I just went to the Potosi mines, I was literally there, and got the guided tour. Thousands of miners worked to death. Slavery, encomienda, mita, I don't know what the system used was called but it was fucked up.

And the whole native culture surviving in some countries was due to the Jesuits curtailing some abuses, not the Spanish monarchy itself.

Basically your entire narrative is schizo nonsense.
Nobody believes this benevolent Spaniard bs.
At best, they may have been better than the Anglos but even that is debatable. (New Zealand had a relatively comfy colonization for example)

>>212099452
can't tell from the screen, but these Big John types were only three and a half to four foot tall.

>>212098309

almost like the leftist orthodoxy that white men were uniquely evil is the exact inverse of historical reality

>>212098358
Yes, slaughter millions of demon worshippers in the name of Good.

>>212102086
The Spanish monarchy did everything it could to curb excesses, but viceroys had very limited authority and lawlessness often reigned.

>>212102037
Paraguay was a jesuit colony.

>>212098358
They didn't tho. For one thing they didn't have the man power to do it even if they wanted to. It wasn't like dropping napalm on Vietnam. Bows and the types of guns they had were almost on the same level, both wore cotton armor and used swords and pikes. Falconets were the biggest technological advantage and it's not like every soldier carried one.

>>212102086
Since you mentioned New Zealand, here is what the Maori did to a peaceful native culture that was religiously prohibited from killing even in self defense:

Moriori obeyed Nunuku's Law strictly, and maintained peace in the Chathams until 1835, when Ngāti Mutunga and the Ngāti Tama, two North Island iwi, arrived in the Rēkohu in search of resources and territories. They were initially welcomed by the Moriori before their intentions for conquest became clear.[5] Moriori gathered urgently for a council at Te Awapātiki. Although youths argued in favour of armed resistance as they outnumbered the invaders, elders ruled that Nunuku's Law could not be broken as it was a covenant with their gods. The Moriori population were conquered and enslaved. Their population decreased dramatically as a result.[6] By the time they were released from slavery in 1863, around 1561 Moriori had died

During the period of enslavement the Māori invaders forbade the speaking of the Moriori language. They forced Moriori to desecrate sacred sites by urinating and defecating on them.[9] Moriori were forbidden to marry Moriori or Māori or to have children. This was different from the customary form of slavery practised on mainland New Zealand.[17]

The Māori ritually killed around 10% of the population.[9] Stakes were driven into some of the women, who were left to die in pain.[16]

The Maori deserved the worst

>>212102174
I'm not defending the Maori, you are the one with some binary brain, natives bad, Spanish good.

Fact is people are shitty in general, native cultures were brutal, and colonization was also brutal in a different way.

>>212102210
I'm evaluating intentionality, and the intentionality of the Spanish crown was downright benevolent despite its failure to live up to its own moral standard.

>>212102210
>>212102228
It was so benevolent in fact that the Philippines remained perpetually underdeveloped due to the crown's refusal to extend the encomienda system there on humanitarian grounds. The Philippines suffered absolutely nothing and only stood to gain as a result.

>>212098358
They should have. Maybe we wouldn't have to smell you through the screen if they did Paco

>>212101547
Yeah I'm certain we knew their population accurately.

>>212099452
Too busy hunting and gathering to worry about big maya city slickers and their gucci animal hide shoes

>>212102086
Lol look at this tard. Smelly beaner. Again i wish all this stuff was true then guys like this wouldn't even exist

>>212102294
Instead they impregnated thousands of Chels uncontrollably which, over the centuries, led us to majority of LATAM being brown pacos. They should have followed the Anglo route of expulsion, reservation camps and systematically trimming down the numbers.

>born too late to impregnate hundreds of natives
>born too soon to explore anything fun in the universe

>>212102210
I'm a Greek historian who specializes in Byzantium so I have no dog in this fight, but I'll try to make you understand what the Spanish monarchy was to the best of my ability.

I will post a convo I had with a friend on discord supplemented by a short introduction

All Spanish colonization financing was controlled by german and italian bankers, who also controlled almost all Spanish trade within Iberia and almost all movement of gold from america to europe, the reason being that Charles V had promised them new world gold in exchange for religious war loans in Europe. Spain saw very little new world wealth and very little prosperity reached the common Spaniard, it was all eaten up by bankers in exchange for holy war loans the moment it arrived in Seville.

The idea of Spain was the ideology of a universal multicultural Catholic monarchy that sacrificed everything including the prosperity of Spain itself and basic realpolitik concerns in order to spread Catholicism. This was its undoing.

>>212102555
>born just in time to fight in the upcoming AI-powered mech vs humanity war
also let's not kid ourselves, you wouldn't set foot anywhere near the new world because that would require stepping onto a ship with a very high likelihood of not making it

>>212102616
Yeah it was a great risk at the beginning. You needed to have a specific pioneer/maverick mindset (or escaping from something equally worse) to embark on a dangerous journey like this.

>>212102587
>ideology of a universal multicultural Catholic monarchy that sacrificed everything including the prosperity of Spain itself and basic realpolitik concerns in order to spread Catholicism. This was its undoing.
You can blame the jesuits for that. That was their end goal and their stranglehold on academia made sure it was seen through, as they were providing the crown with its counselors and educators of the future monarchs, until this pious structure would necessarily give in to the non delusional powers.

>>212102616
>>212102696
in those times there was a 30-50% chance of dying as crew on a ship, even along known routes. cause was mostly disease and malnutrition.
people had a different outlook on life and death, sailors would often have dead pools, betting on which one would live through the voyage or die next as a way of passing the time.

>>212102817
They also always had a priest or an entire religious convoy for +10 morale boost. Those priests were saints, all of them

>>212102322
Xolota'xeke did a complete survey of all 7 of the isolated tribes in the whole of south america in 1,200AD and counted exactly 50 in each tribe, which amounted to 500 trillion people total, almost all of whom were tribocided with a single shot from a musket carefully aimed so it would bounce off "bullet mirrors" precisely placed on the trees of all the jungles there, by the evil deliberate spanish, 0% of whose lineage remains in any part of mexico or in south americans as a whole, because now they're all magically "native" again and can blame spain and people living in spain from spain who never left spain.

>>212102850
an interesting English captain in the 1500 or 1600s used to put on shakespeare plays during the voyage, so the crew would spend their time rehearsing for them and taking it seriously, the crews apparently loved it, as it kept morale up and the crew unified and distracted when necessary.

>>212102719
Im convinced jesuits were/are some sort of psyop. Many seemed to actually care but much of it seems to push similar stuff to the failures we see today

>>212101789
>Unlike the British the Spaniards weren't racist
Bongs weren't any more racist than anybody else at the time.
The difference is the Bongs had a more modern approach to empire building compared to the Spaniards.
People should really study it because the exact same thing is happening in western countries atm, i.e. divide and conquer.

>>212103146
To be fair Germanics were always bad at assimilating due to being extremely racist and endogamous. Swedes couldn't even assimilate Finns, English couldn't even assimilate celts and actually discriminated against them in common with Danes under Danelaw on a racial basis.

>>212103089
Personally I like them and how they shaped Spain, mostly because I'm catholic and they made Spain embody a remarkably Christian political ethos.

>>212102616
>AI
no such thing exists

>>212099452
They have a defined territory for hunting and respect boundaries. That's why they freaked out when they saw the refugees, even walking through someone else's backyard is an invitation to get shanked.

>>212098309
Now read what jahwe did in the bible.

>>212098365
Nothing more degenerate than worshipping jews.

>>212103847
>worshipping jesus is degenerate

>>212104411
Yes and also very very pathetic.

>>212102006
Well that's an interesting point because in Uruguay and Argentina the natives were largely steppe nomads more similar to those of the plains indians in America, and they were in fact largely wiped out.

The Charruas, Tehuelches, Huarpes, Pampas, don't exist anymore. The Quilmes were sent into reservations. The Mapuche did survive to a large extent but they had more complex societies with agriculture.

So Spanish did colonize differently, but also Latin America had huge native empires that made the place also different from the US. In places where the natives were more primitive and similar to American natives the colonization was more similar to the US as well. Settlers slowly moving the frontier, getting raided by natives and eventually arming and subjugating them more similar to the American Far West.

>mfw trying to tell a cute girl I l-like her

Eat the boar testicles.

>>212099452
the city is many miles away

>>212105937
Just use google lol. The noise and light pollution should have been a clue. Stupid natives!

>>212098309
The weird part is they still do it to this day, they just switched from Quetxaquotal and maize to Mother Mary and cocaine.

need cute jade brown gf

>>212104435
>a wild shlomo appears!
Jews absolutely despise Jesus lol. Its why they spend so much time attacking Him and twisting Christianity into fruity humanism.

>>212098173 (OP)
Americans who believe indians were exterminated are so dumb and never seet a foot in central america, south mexico or Colombia ecuador peru bolivia north brasil.

There are no mestizos there, all pure indígenous people.
Spaniard were so few to breed millions of indians, they just matted with the upper class.

>>212098173 (OP)
Imagine if aliens came to Earth and decided to subjugate us because muh environment and abortion or something

>>212103165
>das raysis mangggggg
the term, concept, idea, thought process, notion didn't exist before about 1930 when a hooknose made it up.
ever see a pack of antelope that is 50% walruses?
animals are biologically programmed to stick with their own kind, prefer their own kind, further their own kind. it is how "life" works, and why it takes numerous generations of day in day out propaganda over decades to erode that even slightly.

>>212106702
A bit of an exaggeration, mestizos are the majority in Peru, Colombia and Ecuador. (The latter two also mixed with African ancestry).
Bolivia, Guatemala and Southern Mexico are native-majority though.

And yes the natives (Aztecs, Mayas, Incas) had huge empires, the Aztec capital was one of the most populated metropolis in the world, so the Spanish couldn't wipe all the natives out even if they wanted to.

Brazil is its own thing, the natives there weren't as numerous, a majority of Brazilians are white + afro mix to different degrees, but native blood is more rare.

>>212098309
TRVKE

>>212098173 (OP)
If they were exterminated, wtf are they doing on my construction sites?

>>212098309
explains why the cartel is so comfortable killing people in the most insane ways possible.

>>212106962
at least they're paying taxes, avoiding being criminals, aren't violent, are polite, quiet, well educated and don't rape their nieces/daughters on a daily basis.
imagine if all third worlders had just been left as they were, never given new tech or civilised, and we could just drive through like jurassic park and shoot a few of them for trophies.

>>212103165
You sound extremely gay and brainwashed may want to rethink your life

>>212105332
I'm no expert on the topic but iirc the atrocities against the indigenous in Argentina happened after independence, Spain had laws of autonomy and protection. The criollos were waiting for the metropolitan authority to collapse so they could massacre them.

>>212108876
It happened in stages. The Spanish wiped out the natives of Uruguay and the immediate area of Buenos Aires because they couldn't be reasoned with. In fact Buenos Aires had to be founded twice because all the original Spanish settlers were wiped out and eaten by the natives. So the Spanish had to be aggressive to settle the area.

Then the frontier gradually expanded south, but the Spanish were never really interested in Argentina so most of it was left largely unsettled. The only reason they cared about it at all was to establish a route to the Atlantic to export silver from Peru and Bolivia, so they founded a string of cities from Bolivia to Buenos Aires, but even then it was a secondary route for the silver exports, most of the silver kept being exported from Peru in the Pacific. Main export of colonial Rio de la Plata was cow hides and leather, which tells you how irrelevant the area was. The colonial population was very small and basically a backwater.

Then in the 19th century the steamer ships were invented and these allowed exports of refrigerated beef and wheat to Europe, and that's what made the area economically interesting for European settlers so the large scale immigration begun, after the country was already independent. The new settlers outnumbered the original colonial population like 14 to 1. They begun pushing the frontier southwards in slow phases, forts would be built but native raids were a constant headache.

Finally in 1880 the government panicked because Chile was extending its own frontier southwards so they feared they would take Patagonia or another foreign power would set shop so they decided to do a big military campaign so the government annexed the whole of Patagonia (orange region on this map and extending all the way south) on one big gulp.