It always bothered me how the villain was just some kid they bullied at a young age who's main goal was only to make everyone equal so no one felt left out. It was hard to root for the Super family with all the powers going against one kid who had no powers.

>>212100928 (OP)
Megamind was a better movie

>>212100928 (OP)
Why would you even find an evil incel like Syndrome sympathetic? Uh oh.

>>212101001
He wanted to give everyone super powers. I don't even get how that was a bad thing.

>>212100928 (OP)
that's why this film is great
the young kid was a dork who didn't "have it"
delusional, probably trans, worthy of ridicule, hurt people by following his delusion, should have known his place and understood his function in society

>>212100928 (OP)
he was a murdering prick who killed hundreds in his quest for revenge against mr incredible, up to and including blasting his family out of the sky with a missile. and he does this to a guy whose only crime against him was not bringing a child into direct combat against violent supervillains who have no problem killing children - the first thing bomb voyage does when Buddy appears at the start is attach a bomb to the kid's cape. having a problem with the villain's motivation is fine, the movie is pro-exceptionalism so the villain's stated goal of "when everyone is super, no one will be" will seem bad to some and good to others, but syndrome is a violent, murderous asshole who deserved worse.

>>212100928 (OP)
>someone is mean you to you
>dedicate your life to killing people who save lives

>>212101133
Giving powers to everyone is objectively good unless your a super fag who will be useless once that happens.

This movie was basically jocks vs the nerd. The jock and his family bullied a nerd. The nerd wants revenge by giving everyone the ability to stand up to the jock and his privileged family and the jock gets butt hurt he won't be special anymore.

>>212100928 (OP)
A weak man controlled by his emotions almost destroyed the city/world if not for the family values and strong leadership of Mr. Incredible.

>>212101019
The murders

>>212100928 (OP)
>main goal was only to make everyone equal so no one felt left out.
was that his real main goal tho ???
how did killing off superheroes help him achieve this goal ???
why did he have robots attack the city and start larping as a hero ???
why didn't he just make everyone equal without all the mind games and killings????
you're brown and I hate you.

>>212101001
>incel
He was fucking Mirage.
>>212101019
It was the "I'm going to kill innocents to make myself a hero and then I'll make everyone super" that made him evil.
He'd be much more nuanced if he was capturing and killing supers to develop his technology, which he was then going to distribute to the world.

>>212101001
not every man that is angry is angry over pussy oh my god

>>212101644
Hating the family unit is a white thing though.

>>212100928 (OP)
Syndrome is a remarkably well thought out villain considering this is a kids' movie, you sympathise with his motivations/origins but you fault his methods and cruelty. But of course this shouldn't surprise us because this movie came out at a time where even children's entertainment was considered worth being high quality. Hell when you think about it incredibles is unironically a better, more well-rounded and more thematically powerful film than the vast majority of ADULT films released today.

>>212101299
wow now that i read the thread from, from this perspective i get it now. i'm gonna start a first draft of my manifesto.

>>212100928 (OP)
the most unrealistic part of the movie, and I would consider it a flaw, is that he implied that he would give other people superpowers.
The film would make a lot more sense if it was the nerdy kid engaging in a technological arms race to kill his ubermensch enemies and keep the power for himself. The motive is weak.

>>212101774
The increadibles is the best fantastic 4 movie adaption ever made.

Syndrome is a great villain for being truly villainous in a human way. WHY was he doing good in the first place? For recognition. He doesn't get that recognition, his hero tells him to go away, in spite of his great talents. So he gets revenge. He was never doing good for goodnesses sake or to help others or to make the world a better place, he was being selfish. This is very real and there are loads of people like this who feel they get moral license to be a bad person because they were wronged, especially if they were wronged by a good person. This has nothing to do with doing what's right and all about the persons own ego. If you relate to Syndrome or feel that he's sympathetic, you need to ask why until you realize the only extent of sympathy he ever deserved was a 'that's rough man' for when Mr Incredible dismissed him, and no more.

>>212100928 (OP)
>villain wants to exact petty revenge on people who rejected him under the guise of making everyone equal
I really don't get what's hard to understand about this OP. It made sense to me on the first watch.

>>212101133
getting sucked into a jet engine is pretty bad

>>212101181
syndrome is an example of someone who shouldn't have superpowers.

>>212101745
there is no such thing as "the family unit."

Everyone seems to be forgetting that in the same monologue where he said he'd make everyone super, he said specifically that he would keep the best stuff for himself.
Not exactly some champion of equality, you disingenuous indian ai bot shits.

>>212101774
The Incredibles is a better adaption of Watchmen than the Snyder movie

>>212107364
Not really, the driving force behind Watchmen is the impending doomsday, and Incredibles' world seem pretty peaceful minus Syndrome's schemes. An insurance agent gets beat up, which is a net good.

>>212107364
But yeah, I see the similarity in themes of retired superheroes, and the villain larping as a hero.

>>212108226
the driving force behind watchmen is superheroes don't make the world less complicated

>>212101683
Mirage is so underrated

>>212100928 (OP)
that's why the Incredibles is such a good movie

it's also interesting that Syndrome has a genius level intellect, able to invent advanced things at a young age, build an empire, but he's still driven by his insecurities, ignoring any gifts he does have.

>>212101181
He was going to sell his idea, not give it away. He was planning on commodifying "superheroes" as a final fuck you to the people he perceived having wronged him.

The whole point is that syndrome took the wrong message from mr incredibles rejection of him.

“He rejected me because I don’t have powers” rather than “he rejected me because I’m to young to be doing this”


Hence the whole “i’ll make a robot that only I can defeat” so he can have the glory while making real hero’s feel powerless

The making everyone else super is his retirement plan

“And when I'm old and I've had my fun, I'll sell my inventions so that everyone can be superheroes. Everyone can be super. And when everyone's super...no one will be.”

>>212101181
>give powers to hood niggers, islamic terrorist and russian gangsters
>causes needless chaos and violence because some techfag got mad his superhero idol wouldnt suck his cock in the middle of a job
yeah sounds objectively good to me

>>212108271
Syndrome's false flag is also similar to Adrian's plan

>>212100928 (OP)
Syndrome has Main Character Syndrome

>>212109887
Implying that they could afford it at the price he sells it….

Even if they could I suppose the whole

“If everyone has a gun” argument could apply

>>212110015
guy i replied to said “give powers to everyone.” dont move goalposts on others behalf

>>212100928 (OP)
>>212101019
>>212101181
>he just wanted to make everyone equal

PEOPLE ARE NOT EQUAL you midwit retard. some are smarter, some are less smart, some are stronger, some are weak. trying to turn everyone into the same is an inherantly stupid, impossible idea, and more over is evil because its rooted in jealousy.

why does everyone have to be the same? why do you hate those who stand out and are exceptional? because you're a jealous immature child

people will be better than you in almost everything. maturing is accepting that.

>>212110160
>people aren't equal
no one man can fight off two men determined to kill him, is the basis for "equality."

>>212101745
>Hating the white family unit is a jewish thing though.
Fixed.
Is the Incredibles the only modern film to portray a whole white family positively?
Like, nobody dies and is replaced by a brownoid, the parents or kids aren't degenerate drug addicts or something.

>>212110288
the "family unit," the "nuclear family," was created by jews to break up white families so they'd willingly move to frozen hellholes to man factories

>>212110341
So jews CREATED the white family unit so they could... destroy it?
I see, now I understand, thank you internet poster for your wisdom.

>>212110101
More like putting the goal posts back in their proper place if we are being honest

>>212100928 (OP)
That's not what happened, retard. He got brushed off, in a callous way I'd admit, and took it personally. He then proceeded to dedicate his life to making supers just as mundane and insignificant as he felt when he got shot down.

>>212110416
family, before "the nuclear family," was multigenerational. "the nuclear family" was created to facilitate atomization of the individual.

>>212110469
This

Perfectly summed up

Sure mr incredible could have explained things to him better (but to be fair if he encouraged anything to do with crime fighting he would have been dog piled with lawyers if anything had happened)

But syndrome’s reaction was way out of proportion

If you were bob how would you go about handling it?

>>212110469
i like how the movie needs to have syndrome ignore the fact he's the reason bomb voyage got away and the reason for most of bomb voyage's destruction that night.

>All I wanted was to help you. I only wanted to help! And what did you say to me?
>Fly home, Buddy. I work alone
>It tore me apart. But I learned an important lesson. You can't count on anyone. Especially your heroes

Notice how he chooses to omit Bomb Voyage from his memory, just to feel more justified

>>212110288
inside out did the same thing

>>212110524
Coulda swore it was a natural thing, that the man would work to provide for his family and the woman supports the family.
No women paying taxes ect. Then jews forced feminism on us to destroy our family units.

>>212111066
You are right, inside out had a good family.

The fact that everyone in the part family has at least one thing that people of different ages can relate to for the corresponding stage in their life is a testament to how well made incredibles is

When I was a kid it was violets desire to be normal but now as an adult it’s bobs struggles that are more relevant

It’s the perfect film about family

>>212104742
no the truth is men aren't supposed to be controlled by their emotions but we have a lot of beta bitches now

>>212110469
you're looking at the symptom and not the disease. yes him getting disregarded by mr incredible hurt him, but fundamentally the source of his malice is his jealousy
>when everyones super, no one will be

hes just a jealous who didnt get what he wanted and is now making it everyone elses problem

How did mirage go along with the plan?

>>212113691
All the movie tells us is that she thinks Syndrome is misunderstood, meaning that she sympathizes with him

>>212113691
she wanted power and was willing to do whatever Syndrome wanted but he gambled with her own life and was also willing to murder children which made her go enough is enough.