I just saw this film and it's honestly one of the most transgressive rawest pieces of art i have ever seen, no wonder it makes romantic western humanists seethe.

>>212177888 (OP)
Cheched.
Haven’t seen it in years. I remember it having a disturbing story but a stark set piece. I bet it doesn’t hold up.

>>212177888 (OP)
>Imagine putting your penis inside a 5/10 after she was used by half the town.
Hillbillies can't be that stupid.

Haha yea it was some kino while also ludo but never pseudo or bino. Now watch Manderlay

>>212177888 (OP)

i only bought the dvd back in the day cause she gets raped

>>212178331
Uhhh ok
It better have a cool Uncle Tom character

It was like watching a play with minimal set pieces. Never seen anything like that before, it was interesting.

>>212177888 (OP)
I have the memory of my dad watching this on tv as a kid and he was actually into it too which is strange to me cause he’s a pleb and a Danish drama slow burn movie is typically not the kind of thing he’d be in to.

>>212177956
It’s an intentionally Brechtian film where the fact it is a story is drawn to you intentionally by the sets being lines on the ground and all the obvious props. This is done because it is like Bertolt Brecht, using a fake setting with obvious plot devices to make social commentary (Dreigroschenoper as Marxism in 20s Germany and Dogville as individualism in the US).

Dogville is best paired with Europa because Dogville is mocking and criticizing US society while Europa is a criticism of Germany and has the opposite issue (Germany as too collective ie Nazis and America as too individualist, everyone in the town’s claims of being a community is twisted as they torment Nicole Kidman because each one is afraid of the gangsters and takes it upon themselves to abuse her due to having power over her with zero regulation to stop their mistreatment).

>>212177888 (OP)
Kino of the highest order
>>212178294
This on the other hand is crap

yes, very raw. brutalist. visceral. personally it made me cry and vomit when watching, but also ejaculate in pants with joy. a triumph of cinema.

>>212178672
I cried at the end unironically

>>212178684
>”Whether Grace left the people of Dogville or on the contrary, the people of Dogville left Grace (and the entire world for that matter!) is a question of a more artful nature which we won’t get into here.”

*dog materializes and barks as Young Americans plays*

>>212177888 (OP)
Let me guess.
She's oppressed because in that picture she's a woman who's wearing a thing on her head. That means it's Handmaiden's Tale.
There's not a chance in hell that that woman is not oppressed in whatever this film is.

Tell me, am I right? Is that the message?

Is this that movie about SoCal skaters in the 70s?

>>212178735
No lol watch the film instead of making assumptions like a fag

>>212178735
No, shut the fuck up, you idiot. This is an A plus movie and I hate dumbfuck comments like yours made without even watching it.

It’s about the destruction of grace (literally represented by a woman named Grace) in America because of individualism and lack of social cohesion. It’s one of the best movies on American society

>>212178770
I read the plot.
I'm right you faggot.

>>212178793
That's gay shit. It's about a woman who works, hates it and then wants work to die.
>Le words and symbolism
Make a better story. You're doing the medium that can show and tell stories. Make things happen, not this Dark Souls item lore bullshit.

>>212178793
>it's about the destruction of grace (literally represented by a woman named Grace)

i take back my mean words about mr. lars von trier. the man is a genius

>>212178828
The woman was on the run from gangsters and the town takes her in but as time goes on they realize they have total control of her with no consequences so they take advantage of her in increasingly brutal ways until eventually they decide they are done with her and that they’ll turn her over to the gangsters she’s running from.

Eventually it is revealed that the gangsters were chasing her because she’s daughter of a mob boss and didn’t approve of his criminal activities. She says that the people she encountered were so cruel and worthless that human nature can’t possibly be worth saving (her name being Grace is relevant here) so she decides to join back her dad and their first order is to gun down the townspeople.

The narrator concludes the film with a scathing pun. He asks whether Grace had left the people or whether the people themselves chose to leave Grace.

>>212178871
He is. I love him

>it’s fucked
>it’s transgressive
What do you mean?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7w25SK0gRU

>>212178921
are you a woman or perhaps a homosexual man?

>>212178871
>>212178955
The sets, names, etc are obvious like that because the film is an homage to a playwright named Bertolt Brecht. Read Morher courage and her children and Threepenny opera in particular and you’ll see a lot of thematic similarities

>>212178921
Just say I was right about the hat.
And, I'd like to add, I was right about it 4th and 5th dimensionally as this came out before the handmaiden's tale.

What if dobermann went to dogville?

>>212178999
thank you, never heard of him. is he still alive, this bertolt brecht?

>>212177888 (OP)
>transgressive art

>>212178999
Is there a particular reason why all the kids are named after Greek heroes?

>>212179055
Most people would have trouble getting into this style of theater/ filmmaking but I feel it works well as do most of the people itt apparently

>Mother Courage is an example of Brecht's concepts of epic theatre and Verfremdungseffekt, or "V" effect; preferably "alienation" or "estrangement effect" Verfremdungseffekt is achieved through the use of placards which reveal the events of each scene, juxtaposition, actors changing characters and costume on stage, the use of narration, simple props and scenery. For instance, a single tree would be used to convey a whole forest, and the stage is usually flooded with bright white light, whether the scene depicted is a winter's night or a summer's day. Several songs, interspersed throughout the play, are used to underscore the themes of the play. They also require the audience to think about what the playwright is saying.

I don’t understand why you’re so worked up on a film you haven’t even seen

>>212177888 (OP)
>watch it with GF
>she nopes the fuck out when they tommy gunned the baby
it was 10/10 just for making her react like that

>>212179036
To fight night bitch

What happened with night bitch? That one came and went and people didn’t even really make fun of it

in the end of the movie (sad ending) graces last words before dying are "this truly is a dog eat dog world"

>>212179123
She didn't take issue with the TWO rape scenes, but that was what got her?

The chudette ending was a pleasant surprise

>>212179115
I haven’t seen this movie in ages and I wouldn’t remember a detail like that however, I imagine the fact they are weak malleable characters doing whatever their parents say and in the end they get massacred as a lesson to their mother (“if she can hold in her tears I’ll let her live”) might have something to do with it.

Like I said I haven’t seen the movie in years though

>>212179115
Weak characters as in it lends irony to the play like Nicole Kidman singing/ quoting Threepenny opera.

>>212179120
>They also require the audience to think about what the playwright is saying.

goddamn this sounds right up my alley. i will attend mr. brecht's next play when it is performed in my town, and hopefully i will meet him personally after, if only to shake his hand.

>>212178921
So then it's a waste of time.
The entire reason you know the word "Grace" at all is only because of Jesus Christ and his Grace will not be revoked.
As for the "le bad people" part. I'm sure that town of entirely white people is supposed to portray the world? How worthless. Considering the world at large is stupid. Indians rape, Chinese cheat, blacks steal.
Every single comfort you've ever had and felt in your entire life is because of some Christian invention, event, or phenomenon. So the idea of making a movie looking at "the world" and going, "Yuck! You're not good people" is so insane that it could only be a gimmick movie to be relevant in some way.

>>212179222
I don’t know why you are being so pissy. You came to this thread expecting it to be a handmaids tale knock off. It just ticks me off that this is a thought provoking film not your cultural war bullshit

>>212179286
>As for the "le bad people" part. I'm sure that town of entirely white people is supposed to portray the world?

It is specifically about America and how we feign a cultural community but really we are rootless individualists. Europa from 1991 is about Germany and their collectiveness. Each film asks about man’s place in society- the individual in charge of his destiny vs the individual as part of a collective

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g7eCMHWiCM4&pp=ygUQRXVyb3BhIHZvbiB0cmllcg%3D%3D

>>212179153
Women love rape scenes. I worked at a movie theatre and I only ever had fat lefty nerds ever ask if there was a rape scene or anything triggering in a movie before I sold them tickets. My gf would always give me pussi after we watched a movie with a rape in it. All women are whores until they hit menopause.

>>212178803
No you're not. Even with your broad simplistic assumption you're wrong

>>212179410
So the woman who was raped, twice apparently, forced to work, and hunted by mobsters is not oppressed.

Can I say it?
I thought Chloë was cuter than Nicole in this flick tbqhwy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oT15Gd81xa8

>>212177888 (OP)
What's so great about transgressing? What's wrong with being romantic? Are you some sort of cold-blooded psycho?

>>212179442
Taken advantage of, yes. They gave charity then took advantage of her because of the people who were searching for her. It's more nuanced than just "she was oppressed" which can be applied to any character male or female in most films

>>212179787
Yes, that Anon wants to make this seem a feminist film to suit his largely irrelevant politics into this thread for some reason. The movie is more on man’s nature and highly analogous to Christian thought in saying that maybe man is so fallen he doesn’t deserve to be redeemed. Grace exists in the world but men refuse her in their hearts.