There is absolutely no way this room is reaching any kind of consensus. It would take a month for everyone just to speak

You don't need 100% consensus nor does everyone need to voice their opinion. Proxies and blocs do that.

Imagine if someone got the mic and farted

>>212187186 (OP)
how else would you run a democracy in a galaxy of trillions?

Nay! it was heresy!

>>212187186 (OP)
Exaggerated scale has always been an immersion-breaking issue in sci-fi/fantasy; the massive senate building SW, the 4,000-foot statues in LOTR, etc.

>>212187186 (OP)
I doubt all of them had to speak

>>212187186 (OP)
The only ones that talk are the niggers who want their bribes or want airtime. You really think jar jar cared about that resolution?

>singlehandedly debunks democracy

>>212187240
Hi Stavros

>>212187250
It's literally impossible. Look at earth if you need evidence. Once you exceed a certain amount of people there is no chance for peace

>>212187250
why would you even want to run a galaxy spanning (((democracy)))? globohomo fags are mentally ill. a simple union between autonomous star systems would work just fine.

>>212187224
You mean kinda like a space AIPAC only with Gungans instead of Jews?

>>212187590
Idk, that sounds pretty anti-siemetic anon. Because then how would the (((trade federation))) enforce space taxes?

>>212187590
what happens when one autonomous star system starts to conquer other ones?
how is the union maintained and negotiated peaceably?

>>212187250
Give everyone two buttons one for yay and one for nay. Works a treat in parliament.

>>212187730
sanctions. if diplomacy fails, a civil war breaks out after which the slaves are freed and it is understood that secession is forbidden. the president of the galactic union will be assassinated shortly afterwards.

>>212187186 (OP)
Do you think everyone in the senate and house of representatives gets up and has a speech when it's time to vote a bill?
That said yes that scene is retarded.

>>212187370
>debunks democracy while trying to decry fascism
George Lucas is a complete failure.

>>212187899
No because they all rep the same party and have talked amongst themselves. The people in the senate don't have parties and are speaking strictly for their own planets so yes they have to speak individually

>>212187186 (OP)

>>212187932
>Star Wars was about making a political point

>>212187186 (OP)
Yeah, that's the point

>>212187273
>>212187186 (OP)
Most star systems aren't represented you stupid mouth-breathing mongoloid, that's why the Old Republic failed, read the fucking lore. It's not really a full democracy, it's a collection of Core World aristocrats, trading cartels, guilds and corporations that bought their seats and most planets don't have a voice.

Jar Jar has a seat that represents over a hundred populated star systems with no voice, just because Naboo is rich, it's all incredibly disfunctional and that's the point.

>>212187958
They don't speak for their planets, they speak for entire sectors. Retard.

>>212187273
Yep, you just basically have to accept stuff without questioning it

>>212187273
>the 4,000-foot statues in LOTR
which ones are you talking about? certainly not the argonath.

>>212187250
You can't. The options were to balkanize or become an Empire under a genius like Sheev

The Republic went to shit because they gave citizenship to too many non humanoids

>>212188847
It fell because born rich and shit starters were allowed to live
Kill all trolls and the born rich
And wow earth gets better
People actually have to work to get wealthy and if you try to antagonize someone for fun you can kill them and Harvest their organs

>>212187224
>here's that 38 year old young man i told you about

>>212189312
37*

>>212187186 (OP)
It's not meant to be realistic. If you want realism go watch Babylon 5 or maybe Firefly.

>>212188847
Gungans needsa more money for demsa programs.

>>212187186 (OP)
It's illustrative of how byzantine and inefficient democracy is.

>>212187590
>i want to throw away the little bit of influence i have and let me be ruled by some strict, authoritarian daddy regime
keep your bedroom out of politics

>>212187186 (OP)
Maybe it's like the weakest link and their chairs glow red when they are out of the discussion?

>>212189552
midwit retard you have to go back

>>212189899
you’re brown

>>212189395
Oh nee ieman poopensharten op de cuckstoel

>>212188954
why are commies the most braindead reatards 100% of the time?

>>212187240
>*clears throat* *taps mic* My fellow Senators...
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FLRHejWAo8

>>212187273
Mega structures have existed throughout human existence historylet. The LOTR statues aren't even that impressive, they were carved out of mountains which has always been one of the easiest ways to make giant statues. IRL the ancients made bigger ones out of metal.

The only thing that fantasy settings consistently get wrong is communications and logistics.

>>212188954
Well the rich are the ones bringing in most of the foreigners so I do agree with your killing all of them stance.

>>212187186 (OP)

>Implying discussion actually matters in any parliament

You serious? Each senator knows what it´s own vote´s going to be well before the first speech is even made.

>>212187186 (OP)
Chancellor Valorum is underrated, his booming voice and performance was great.

>>212188847
I love that the consensus is shifting towards the Empire being the good guys now.

>>212187186 (OP)
>It would take a month for everyone just to speak

Yeah that's how democracy typically works, turdworlder

>starkino
Based Germanic chad!

>>212188790
And the Empire was so stable it collapsed after 30 years

>>212190921
>write nuanced evil that is realistic and makes very good points as a cautionary tale
>mouth-breathers slobber all over the 'based' characters
Retards like you are the reason we can't have good villiains now, they are all cartoon-tier bad guys because modern audiences are too dumb.

>>212188847
If anything it's the opposite retard, the Core Worlds were overrepresented and the Outer Rim was paying taxes with little representation and no Republic services. That's why many systems followed the Separatists into seccession.

>be random alien species from a world in the Chommell Sector
>Amidala and fucking Jar Jar Binks speak for you because some bureaucrats decided a thousand years ago that Naboo was gonna have the seat for the whole sector, so your vote doesn't matter
>You get taxed to pay for all this fucking endless bureaucracy, comittees and Amidala's yatch
>nothing actually trickles back to your homeworld
>might as well leave

>>212187899
>>212187958
>>212188169
> The Rim Faction, led by Orn Free Taa, was one of the two major factions of senators and representatives in the Galactic Senate during the last years of the Galactic Republic. Majority of its membership were predominantly from the Outer Rim.
> Most of the Rim Faction's members were non-Human, and astrographically, most came from the Outer Rim as well as the Mid Rim, and also the various special interest groups—such as the Techno Union, Commerce Guild, Corporate Alliance, and Trade Federation.
> They were a politically conservative faction and so advocated reducing the power and influence of the Republic government. As such, they commonly stood for the maximization of planetary sovereignty, placing them in direct opposition to the Core Faction, who favored greater centralization of power. Fiscally, the Rim Faction advocated for economic liberalism, thus supporting free trade, low taxes, minimal restrictions on enterprise, and the deregulation of markets.
Honestly the politics in Star Wars are kino

>>212187250
Democracy was conceived as a form of government for small city states. Not thousand of different races and civilizations.
So in other words, its a fantasy and somehow it all just works.

>>212187590

>>212192271
> The Rim Faction were strong opponents of Chancellor Finis Valorum, and were quick to seize upon his weakness in the aftermath of the Eriadu Trade Summit disaster of 33 BBY. In the hope of restricting his ability to pass legislation unfavorable to them, Taa directed the Rim Faction to elect Mas Amedda, one of their own, into the powerful position of Vice Chair.
> The next year, it was the strong support of the Rim Faction for Amidala's vote of no confidence that enabled the toppling of Valorum and the ensuing election for Chancellor. Once more on the nomination of Taa, Palpatine, despite being independent of any Senate political grouping, was the Rim Faction's nominee for Chancellor. It is possible that because of his neutrality, a rogue section of the Rim Faction backed Ainlee Teem for Chancellor. However, Palpatine won.
> Taa's hope that Palpatine could be controlled, or at least counted on to not be a nuisance, were eventually realized as false when he ensured the Core Faction's attachment to him. During the Separatist Crisis and Clone Wars, a large number of the Rim Faction's membership seceded and joined the Confederacy of Independent Systems, either voluntarily or were expelled from the Senate. Other Rim Faction senators, such as Taa, Aks Moe, and Onaconda Farr, supported the Military Creation Act vigorously. Despite the continued loyalty of Taa and Amedda, this combined with Palpatine's courting of the Core faction resulted in great weakening of the Rim Faction.

My allegiance is to the Senate..TO DEMOCRACY!!

>>212187590
So they dont get planets like ours coming in and messing everything up with star wars.

>>212192271
>the politics in Star Wars are kino
They are but most of it is tucked away in obscure books that are now decanonized by Disney which is a shame.

The history of the Trade Federation is fucking interesting for example, they were born as an alliance of small shipping companies, free traders that wanted to break away from the monopolies of the big shipping companies, basically banding together so they could fight the big fees the monopolies charges, but over centuries the Nemoidians wormed their way to most positions of power, and the TF consolidated into a monopoly in itself, controlling most Outer Rim shipping, building its own ships and private armies, becoming what it set to destroy.

Even the Wookiees have their shady shit, since they are great navigators but their Claatuvaac Guild or however it's spelled, hoards all the knowledge it has acquired about secret hyperspace routes and refuses to share it with the Galaxy. (which comes in handy when Han and Chewbacca become smugglers since Chewie has their database, which eventually does get shared with the Rebels)

>>212191363
>might as well leave
You forgot:
>proceed to follow a bunch of mega-corpos pretending to be a government into a suicidal war against the most developed section of the Galaxy (a single level of Coruscant alone having hundreds of times the population of your shitty species)
>radicalize the republic into authoritarianism and humanity into xenophobia by tacitly approving about giving the command of your coalition's armed forces to a genocidal seething cyborg
>proceed to be enslaved by the human supremacist Empire you dumbly helped to bring about after your globo-corpo leaders get murdered
The only aliens I feel bad about are the ones who supported the Republic, like the wookies

>>212193748
That's the whole idea, that the CIS was evil but they had a point. And the Empire was the also evil but a somewhat understandable backlash to the CIS. (ie. A villiain that makes sense)

Your initial point is still wrong, the Republic didn't fail because they gave citizenship to many aliens, it failed because it didn't follow the principle of no taxation without representation. Too many interest groups and bureaucracy and too many unrepresented "members" which were taxed but saw little benefit from it.

Basically the institutions were captured by Core World old money, corporations and guilds which bought their seats.