>brutally rapes every capeshit movie made afterwards

>>212214555 (OP)
Nope
It was restrained and focused on slice of life drama and comedy and wasnt an escapist adventure film

Imagine if gunns superman is so bad the curse is true

>>212214921
Henry Cavil still has a career and mostly happy
Isn't he

It was crazy watching this for the first time recently, he actually puts an emphasis on saving people rather than just destroying buildings to stop some magic evil guy
>>212214921
Imagine if gunn fell off a horse and became crippled

>>212214957
He's bald and his wife is ugly.

>>212214957
>still has a career
does he? everything he's been in aside from Mission Impossible has flopped and now he's doing the warhammer shit which will probably never come out

not even better than The Trial of the Incredible Hulk

>>212215002
Is it entertaining to watch though?
If you dont like supervillains, then why the heck watch a superhero film? Why stop there?: Superman having superpowers and using them is stupid!

>>212214957
>Henry Cavil still has a career
He's a streaming service pig. Literally on the same level as Millie Bobbie Brown.

>>212215248
As someone who actually read comics as a kid, superheroes should be unsuspecting people who have a secret identity that they turn into when someone needs help. Once it becomes about stopping the CGI villain from getting the box to turn earth into darkness or whatever I stop caring.

>>212215514
Even Superman comics back then were outlandish sci fi adventures with Supes fighting supervillains
Then you dont want escapism and might as well stick to straight up drama then

>>212215514
And how many superheroes fight purely regular theifs or only stop natural disasters without any plot thread other than the superheroes private life?

>>212215514
You are so intellectual for needing superpowers and a colorful outfit for your slice of life drama

>>212214555 (OP)
THIS IS AMERICA

>>212214957
He seems to be getting kicked off from stuff. Can't speak about the home life

>>212215607
>Even Superman comics back then were outlandish sci fi adventures with Supes fighting supervillains
Difference is those comics were still about him saving the city and stopping whatever villain that week, not fighting a battle for some macguffin caused by a decades long revenge plot.

>>212215248
There is a supervillain but superman cared about saving people more than he cared about killing the enemy, he was a hero not an “avenger”

>>212215883
Nice damage control, you complained about fighting supervillains and going on adventures, period

>>212216010
Well, too bad there wont be any of that in the Gunn film then
Here hes angrily knocking some guys teeth out

>>212215683
You can have a supervillain without him being a boring doomsday man bent on annihilating the universe. A bank robber who gets superpowers then uses them to rob more banks is more interesting than trying to make the villain some epic threat.

>>212216010
Cavill superman didnt kill in cold blood and he felt remorse afterwards
Superman killed Zod in the comics too

>>212216203
>you complained about fighting supervillains and going on adventures, period
when did I say that?

>>212216010
Hardly a supervillainsince he didnt use any sci fi tech
Heres how he looked in the comics back then

>>212215248
Super powers in storytelling ideally should be used as metaphors we can relate to

Otherwise it's just super strength WWF for idiots

>>212216268
he saved a dog in one of the tv spots I saw which was cute

>>212216297
he killed an AU Zod after it was well established he didn't like killing then exiled himself from Earth in guilt. that said there's nothing wrong with Cavillman killing Zod it's that the movie doesn't establish he has some rule against killing at all prior to that. in fact quite the opposite given how he callously punches people through buildings and into gas stations to blow them up seemingly without caring at all so him being so torn up after killing Zod doesn't hit that hard.

>>212216290
You complained about supervillains and big spectacles in itself, again, nice damage control
That type of villain wont make for good plot thread, but oh I forgot, you want your Daily planet drama with the villain encounters being episodic and a new one all the time
You already have Lois and Clark, the TV format is perfect for what you want, no film budget needed

>>212216327
Here:
>to stop some magic evil guy
Have you considered suicide? Its never too late

>>212216365
Cavill saved people too without it being fighting villains in a montage, nice circular argument, bro

>>212216360
And people not into comics would call you uninelectual for demanding superpowers for your storytelling and here you are trying to sound intelectual when people not into superhero fiction wont give a crap
It sure as fuck wont get you more laid if thats what you are thinking

>>212216565
yeah but he looked depressed and moody while doing it as if he's some autist at a party he doesn't want to be at while somber music played so it wasn't fun

>>212216450
>>212216496
Supervillains are boring once you get to large scale nonsense. A scene of a robber holding a gun up to a kid has more dramatic tension than an evil alien saying he's going to spread microbots across the galaxy to kill all life. One is a real tangible danger to a person we can see, the other is some vague threat about with nothing to personally connect to. Supervillains are fine but it should be about the hero saving civilians from the villain, not just stopping the villain because he's le evil mastermind.

>>212216360
False dilemma
Why the unnecessary restriction? Superhero fiction are escapism
Star Wars should be about the space travel only and lasers and the force makes it unintelectual?
Damn, you sound boring as fuck
Just admit your are to dyslectic to stick to books
And since you are obviously a lib trying to sound smart and just, then why dont you call out Lois Lane's toxic femininty and only being intrested in Superman cause hes famous?

>>212216428
Cavill showed remorse too, retard
Further damage control
Get the rope, you know what to do

>>212216738
for like, a second, and then the next scene he's completely fine. regardless it doesn't matter because they never set up that he had some rule against killing

>>212216653
And there you go again, like a scizo, switching back and forth as it sees you fit
Superman IS A LARGE SCALE SUPERHERO, hes not Batman, hes a fucking alien
If you were intellectually honest, you would diss Superman for being overpowered and stick to Green Arrow instead

test

>>212214866
Hard to believe sooner, there was a time when CGI didn’t exist. Crazy right. So had use actual practical FX. Like instead of a giant CGI Incredible Hulk they would had to paint a giant body builder green

>>212216776
And John Byrne Superman set that up? john Byrne Superman showed remorse right away?
If you at least were consistent and honest with your criticism, then you wouldnt be ready for suicide

>>212216862
>byrne superman set that up
yes it was well set up he didn't like killing in Byrne's run
>showed remorse right away
yes, he exiled himself from the planet as I said

>>212216856
False dilemma, A New Hope beats every new film in outlandish escapism without CGI

>>212216877
BEFORE he killed Zod?
No, not right away
Why havent you killed yourself yet? Im waiting

>>212216968
>before he killed Zod
yes
>no, not right away
yes, after he killed zod

Damage Control - The Thread

>>212216978
Nope, he didnt leave earth right away

>>212216933
Toy space ships and models is not the same as a dude flying and fighting supervillains. How do you create Darkseid without it looking stupid as fuck?

>>212217026
he actually did

Fuck Snyder for influencing John Byrne who had a crystal ball which he could see into the future with and therefore made Superman kill Zod, Snyder ruined Superman forever!
Fuck Snyder for making Gunn's Superman aggresive when Gunn dont want to but have to cause Snyder, gunn can blame Snyder for his Superman being aggresive! Damn you Snyder for making it impossible for Gunn to make a course correction no matter how much he wants to since the forces of nature stops him from doing it!

>>212216810
>Superman IS A LARGE SCALE
Yes but he's at his best when it's smaller scale. Look at the most iconic and beloved Superman moments from the comics. It's moments like him hugging the suicidal girl on the roof in All Star or telling the kid "thanks my mom made it for me" after a he complimented his outfit in For All Seasons. It's not Superman going into outer space and doing a big laser fight with Darkseid because that shit isn't interesting.

>>212217032
And that translates to 90% Daily planet stuff? Damn, you are retarded
Superman 2 had Zod

>>212217122
You dont need a large scale superhero for low scale villains
The suicidal girl is recent sappy Superman, not golden age, silver age or bronze age
Allstar Superman was made for adults coping about not being intelectual and not having moved on to books, so they needed a "profound" Superman story
Kids dont want to read about suicidal girls, they want escapism
Fucking hilarious, you "real fans" brag about your knowledge but only bring up post 90s stuff as recomendations
Sappy slice of life Superman, where evey story are supposed to make you cry cause of some hamfisted message, didnt become the norm until Allstar Superman which was released in 2005

>>212217175
Zod and his goons were set up for the sequel. They were created for because it’s a lot easier to have other human looking villains than actual comic book ones. Why even Nuclear Man in part 4 was just a blonde guy

>>212217358
Maggin and Bates wrote plenty of emotional Superman stories too, but I suppose you don't like them either.

Superman fans arent Superman fans who constantly try to retool Superman to justify liking him
He started out as a power fantasy for boys then the fans who werent fans but wanted to be cause of OCD demanded that he became Chstmass sappy to justify them liking him cause God forbid they didnt really like him

>>212217577
I dont like chrsitmass sappy Superman, no
And you cant claim its "real superman" if he wasnt like that from the very start
Ive always prefered the sci fi elements and Krypton lore of Superman and you cant claim that will make me less of a real fan than you since your prefrence didnt become the norm until late 00s
You are right about that Superman is mainly for kids and kids prefer action and adventure over your Chritmass tales

the only thing Christopher Reeves superman fucked up was time travel BS. But saying that, just pulling S-tier super powers out of his ass with zero reasoning is entirely cannon to how the comic universe functions

>>212217680
Who's your favorite Superman writer? Just curious what you even like about the character of you dislike Morrison/Maggin/Bates.

Here you go, the ultimate Superman story for real Superman fans
No superpowers or silly fights, just sharing and caring
Even has the calm jazz soundtrack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhYY3vboOlU

>>212217768
John Byrne

>>212215029
>>212215119
>>212215264
>>212215863

>>212217822
How can you hate on All Star for not being the real Superman but then say Byrne's is your favorite when the entire point of his run was to completely reinvent the character?

>>212217583
You have no idea what the fuck you are taking about. Christianity aspect wasn’t because of fans. It was because of Comic Book Code after some pervert shrink wrote “Seduction of Innocence” claiming comic books was causing juvenile delinquency. It was forced on all comics. Horror comics were banned for being demonic. . Batman turned into goofy Adam West style buffoon. Wasn’t until ‘70s it got lifted. But that is the Superman Silver Age boomers remember because they grew up on that version

>>212214555 (OP)
Nah Batman is better.

>>212217970
So Allstar Superman which came AFTER is more real and classic?

>>212217970
I dont like Allstar Superman cause its sappy slice of life drama

>>212217982
Im not refering to Christinaity, Im refering to Christmass sappiness, like Its a Wonderful Life
Every Superman story is like that now and its very pretentious and rings hollow

>>212218906
Just saying it's a little hypocritical

>>212218979
>Im refering to Christmass sappiness
nobody cares what you think, Ranjeet

>>212214555 (OP)

Superman movies have never been good.

>>212216615
>>212216707
That's not what I said, thirdies

>>212216297
lmao he detroy everything without any remorse, pays lip service to emotions for a second after never establishing why would he feel suddenly bad for killing, and the it's all sunny ending with no consequences

>>212216565
>in a montage
thanks for conceding

>>212217120
Superman doesn't kill, and neither do batman or wonder woman.
deal with it

>>212217680
You are not a Superman fan lmao