JESUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

>>212228306 (OP)
Keep it down nigger I'm trying to do miracles

>>212228306 (OP)
he was right tho

>>212228343
there are no miracles in JCSS

>>212228343
A JADED MANDARIN
JADED MANDARIN

>>212228408
With all this negro racket I'm not surprised. Pipe down for a minute and maybe I can whip up a miracle or two.

>>212228446
WHO ARE YOU TO CRITICIZE ME?

>>212228306 (OP)
>Make Judas have the best song in a Christian musical
Why did they do this?

>>212228408
He can do them in his head

>>212228494
WHAT'S THE BUZZ
TELL ME WASSAPPENIN

>>212228408
incorrect

>>212228561
King Herod had the best song

>>212228889
he touches the lepers, but they are never seen cured
he could not even ressurect

WHO IS THIS BROKEN MAN, CLUTTERING UP MY HAAAAAAAALLWAY?
WHO IS THIS UNFORTUNATE?

>>212229004
the king of the joos

>>212228918
He foresees Judas' and, more miraculously, Peter's betrayals.

>>212229004
SOMEWHAT BIBI KING OF THE JUICES

>>212229036
prophecy is not miracle

>>212228446
GET OUT THEY’RE WAITING!!!!
GET OOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUTTTTT!!!!!!!!!
THEY’RE WAITING!!!

>>212228306 (OP)
THIS JESUS MUST DIE

>>212228561
>Why did they do this?
Because Judas unironically is the most interesting of the Apostles.

The others follow Jesus but abandon him. They embody human failings but their reactive failings are insignificant to "the story". Without Judas' active failing would the eucatastrophe of Man still occur? Is a "without Judas" even possible? There are plenty of terrible people in the Bible doing terrible things, but only of Judas is it said that it would be better for him if he had never been born...but was that only because of his final choice? Also, Jud(-ack) is each of us when we reject the path of forgiveness that is offered, and to what end?...a far more complex series of decisions.

So yeah, his songs can have a bit more depth than Herod's.

>>212229357
all the other apostles are shown as morons

>>212229356
Did they not know back then that martyrs only grow after death? Jesus should have been discredited and he would've fallen into obscurity.

>>212229467
most of them don't resurect

2 of my favorite movies are musicals with a cast almost entirely of singing Jews, directed by a Christian named Jewison.

Here's the original B-side version of John 19:41, including its odd ending:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki_ML0ohqts

>>212229695
which is the other one?

>>212229467
I believe there are many jewish messiahs that did fall into obscurity after their deaths, but the old concept was that of a war hero so a violent death was expected jesus cleverly preached non violence making his death a tragedy.

>>212228408
He still predicts the future. Other characters notice.

>>212228918
he's anointed by the marys

>>212229828
not on screen

>>212229913
yeah, it's during Mary Magdalene's song
then Judas shows up and gets mad

>>212228561
It's about Jesus but it isn't Christian per se. It's playing around with the idea of the cult of personality that built up around him and him being a celebrity rather than a messiah. It still largely frames Jesus as a well meaning sympathetic figure who accurately predicts everything that's going to happen to him without really showing or proving that he's the son of God and resurrects after he dies from crucifixion. Judas points out throughout the show that Jesus is in danger, that he's begun to lost focus on helping people, and rats him out to the priests because he's afraid the Romans will kill all the Jews is Jesus gets them too worked up

One thing I'll say for him: Jesus is cool

>>212229828
nta, but how is this related to miracle talk?

>>212229994
Yes. But I would argue Jesus' role as Christ is still central. It's just that the supernatural element is not needed to show what they want to show, so it's left ambiguous. (I guess Judas'...reprise...can be framed as a hallucination.)

>>212229769
Pilate on the right.

>>212230625
Yeah, Judas singing Superstar is absolutely a hallucination. He killed himself a couple scenes earlier and Jesus, also beaten half to death, only then begins to internalize and examine Judas' criticisms

In summary, although both prophecy and miracles flow from God’s supernatural initiative and may co-occur, prophecy is properly a communication of God’s hidden will or future plan, whereas a miracle is a visible, wonder-producing interruption of the natural order. They are related charisms but not interchangeable.

>>212230625
it's part of his resurrection

>>212230625
but Herod new about the Miracles in his song.
so was that only hearsay?

JEEEEEEESUUUUUUSSSS

>>212229994
>It's about Jesus
You arent thinking lefty enough.
It's about Andrew Llyod Weber, and HIS doubts and musings on Christianity. He gives Judas a first and such a central role because Judas is playing the author's mouthpiece.

>>212228306 (OP)
This is the best Christian movie and it's not even close.

>>212230929
>Andrew Llyod Weber
Tim Rice (but I agree on your other points)

Yes, the same person who wrote the words for "Heaven on their Minds" wrote "Can You Feel the Love Tonight?" and "A Whole New World" (and everyone's favorite, "The Golden Boy"):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG-AaBV0V-o

>>212230932
Second only to Die Hard

>>212228446
A JADED FADED FADED JADED MANDERIN

FOOLS! YOU! HAVE NO PERCEPTION! I like 2000 Caiaphas more than 73 Caiaphas

>>212228446

GO

THEY'RE WAITING

THEY'RE WAITING GO

>>212234013
2000 Caiaphas is kino but its Judas sucks

>>212234167
Yeah, but 2000 Pilate is pretty good in his role as executioner although 73's Pilate is way more haunting and sympathetic
>Then I saw thousands of millions
>Crying for this man
>And then I heard them mentioning my name
>And leaving me the blame

>>212228306 (OP)
4 B.C. had no mass communication

>>212228871
MARY MMM THAT IS GOOD
WHILE YOU PRATTLE THROUGH YOUR SUPPER

>>212234313
>Pilate is way more haunting and sympathetic
WHAT
DO
YOU MEAN
BY THAT
THAT
IS NOT
AN AAAAANSWERR

the guy who played peter became a pornstar

>>212228561
>>212228902
Pilate had the best song actually.

>>212237069
Was he ROCK hard?

>>212229467
>Did they not know back then that martyrs only grow after death
No, actually. Civilization as we know it was at a turning point - prior to that, if the state wanted you erased, they could just kill you and then punish anyone who spoke your name, but the Roman Empire had laws and considered that kind of lack of self-accountability barbaric. At the same time, its governing structure was still Iron Age so they couldn't do things efficiently. If you execute someone, you have to put it to paper and that slows things down, so there's always more Christfags popping up when you kill the current ones.

>>212237371
So what if he made some poor choices in his acting roles.
I don't SEE what all the FUSS is about.

>>212234167
>2000 Caiaphas is kino but its Judas sucks
Are you literally mentally disabled?

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

>>212239616
Yo, his neck does some amazing things while he sings.

>>212237069
Is he hot?

>>212239616
JUST WATCH ME DIE
SEE HOW
SEE HOW I'LL DIE
JUST WATCH ME DIE

>>212230903
kek

/jcs/, I AM OVERJOYED TO MEET YOU FACE TO FACE

>>212241707
I just found out Herod was in Jurassic Park. Never realized

>>212229357
It would have been better for him, not mankind. Judas' place is to be punished for an action that was ultimately necessary for the redemption of mankind, even if the choice to do that great evil was chosen wilfully.

>>212228446
>jcss is pro-Taiping heavenly kingdom
Huge development.

>I don't know how to love him
>I don't know why he loves me
>He's a man, He's just a man
>He is not a king
>He's the same as anyone I knooww
>He scares me so
>When I'm cold and dead...
>Will he let me be?!
>Does he love- DOES HE LOVE ME TOO?!
>DOES HE CARE FOR MEEEE?!
Carl Anderson's performance in this is my favorite performance in any musical.

I WASH MY HAAANDS OF YOUR GREAT DEMOLITIIIIOOON

>>212242164
DIEEEEE
IF YOU WANT TO

>>212241964
It’s really an amazing performance.

When the strings all swell as their hands clasp is a 10/10 kino moment.

>>212243613
Not even Christian anymore and still brings a tear to my eye.

AND I'VE HAD SO MANY MEN BEFORE
IN VERY MANY WAYS
HE'S JUST ONE MORE
[...]
DON'T YOU THINK IT'S RATHER FUNNY
I SHOULD BE IN THIS POSITION?

>>212243613
i was just thinking of this. love the look on Judas' face

>>212229356
HE IS DANGEROUS

>>212244808
Kek'd

>>212229356
When I was a kid and watched this for the first time, I hoped I would grow to have a voice like that guy, instead I got a squeaky nasal voice. Fuck this shit.

>>212234167
nah, 2000 judas was good, jesus was the one that sucked

I don't get why Phantom is jerked off so much when JCS exists. I have to concede that as a commercial product it is impeccable (the songs are catchy and sweeping, you've got romance and danger, etc.), but everything about JCS blows it out of the water in my eyes, it's such an incredible work. Has Weber ever made anything else as interesting?

Also, where does /tv/ stand on the Gillan-Nealey debate? I keep going back and forth on the matter, both are great in different ways. Gillan's got the stronger and more proficient voice, but holy shit does Neeley emote.

>>212228902
You misspelled, "fagsong".

>>212246993
Literally any other performance of JCS except for the movie has sucked ass. Phantom can have good performances from lots of different casts and productions.

Haven't seen the film in years, but one thing I've always loved about it is the moment in Gethsemane where Jesus demands God show him the wages of his sacrifice and the film launches into a montage of the depictions of the crucifixion in art, set to that pounding tune. Such a powerful moment, always gives me the chills
>>212247144
What's wrong with the original concept album?

>>212246993
Ted, however I would have loved to see Gillan in the film like they originally intended

>better in the movie
Jesus, Judas, Peter, Simon

>better on the album
everyone else

>>212228871
WTF tell me whatsa happenin

>>212228871
WHY SHOULD YOU WANT TO KNOW?
DON'T YOU MIND ABOUT THE FUTURE
DON'T YOU TRY TO THINK AHEAD
SAVE TOMORROW FOR TOMORROW
THINK ABOUT TODAY INSTEAD

>>212247986
BASED

>>212229004
Someone Christ
King of the jews

>>212229356

>NO WAIT..
>.....
>...
>..
> we need a more permanent solution to our problemmmmm

>>212248023
I..... COULD GOVE YOU FACTS AND FIGURES
I COULD GIVE YOU PLANS AND FORECASTS
EEEVEN TELL YOU WHERE IM GOING

One thing I'll say for him, Jesus is cool

>>212229357
Judas's sin wasn't the "betrayal". That was a necessary part of the path that lead to the Cross and the redemption of mankind. He did what none of the other apostles could.
His failing was faithlessness, hanging himself with a hempen rope after seeing his master die on the cross.
But if Judas killed himself before witnessing the Resurrection, that means he and Christ were in Hell at the same time.
And I think Jesus would forgive one of his closest friends for a moment of doubt.

>>212243613
Is that Frank Zappa on the left?

JESUS CHRIST….

SUPERSTAR!


WHO ARE YOU WHAT HAVE YOU SACRIFICED

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EW03GCm74M&list=PLcjhIRNyAuvFZe2anv7CIk4PpaloSel7b

I really don't see how Jerome Pradon from 2000 isn't everyone's favorite Judas. And the entire production has captured the spirit of the end of the millenium so well. I guess you had to be there.

>>212248579
What did Jesus went to Hell for?

>>212249682
The weight of all the sins of mankind.
He wasn't just dead during the three days between the Crucifixion and the Resurrection, in between was the Harrowing of Hell, when Jesus rescued the first souls to go to Heaven.

>>212229695
Im pretty sure the entire cast except for Pilate were not jewish

>>212249835
But what sin specifically?

>>212234167
2000 Judas was good. His singing was a little weak, but his acting made up for it. 2000 Jesus was so cringe, apparently the guy is head of a ufo cult.

KEEP THEM YELLING THEIR DEVOTION
BUT ADD A TOUCH OF HATE FOR ROME
YOU WILL RISE TO A GREATER POWER!
WE WILL WIN OURSELVES
A HOOOOOOOOOME

most underrated song by far

>>212250034
I enjoyed his perplexed/worried/pouting faces throughout the whole thing, it depends on your interpretation of course, but it solidified the idea that he had incarnated into what's essentially just a guy to me.

>>212241964
Every single scene he's in he steals.

>>212228408
The miracle is it got released.

>>212247942
Who's really different? Pilate and Mary are both the same. It's just Herod and the Pharisees

>>212229289
11/10 musical moment

>>212250098
Makes me think of Donny Osmond from Joeseph

>>212246993
Phantom is my personal favorite, but JCS and especially the 1973 version is a much more emotionally powerful piece. Especially because of the religious elements.

>WE HAVE NO KING, BUTT-SEIZER
Pilate was remarkably patient with that crowd, they were very rude to him

>>212250231
kek yeah good point

>>212250436
lmao

>>212228306 (OP)

A while back, when I was visiting home, mom put on the score in the kitchen. Dad and I became very annoyed. Oh my god, this is horrible. I learned that the meme about Andrew Lloyd Webber being awful is true. So annoying. We all get on well and we love mom but damn.

Similarly, mom rented Moulin Rouge, years ago. After about ten minutes of cartoonish screaming we had to leave the room and allow mom to complete the film by herself.

>>212249488
I'm rewatching this now and it's fucking brilliant. Judas with the Pepe face and the anti-thot memery in Strange Thing Mystifying and Jesus being pussywhipped.

>>212249939
EVERY SIN.
Past, Present, Future.
Every Sin ever, the Sinless man bore upon himself as the Sacrificial Lamb of the Final Passover.
The wages of Sin is Death, and Sin is heavy. He died and was dragged down into Hell and made the way out of Death, out of Hell, and into Paradise.
Go talk to a preacher about it or something.

>>212250673
Why didn't you just doubleteam her?

Are there any recordings of the stage version with Alice fucking Cooper as Herod?

>>212250685
That's really stupid, he had to have personal sins to end up in Hell dude.

>>212250706

Because the only thing more horrifying than imagining having sex with my parents is doing so while listening to bad musical theater.

>>212250776
>he had to have personal sins
I don't think you're wrapping your head around the whole "Jesus" thing.

>>212250912
Ok well something put him into Hell dude. You don't just trip and fall into it lmfao.

>>212250989
>something put him into Hell dude
All the Sins of Mankind.

>>212249874
I think you mean Herod, and I was just referring to the characters, like if my favs were films of Indians even if they're played by swarthy Italians.

>>212250673
>After about ten minutes of cartoonish screaming I had to leave the room and allow her to complete by herself.
Me and my oneitis.

>>212250776
The Harrowing of Hell is an extra-biblical doctrine created to tie up in a nice bow the "problem" of the righteous dead before Christ. A preacher won't likely be well-grounded in it, ask a priest.

>he had to have personal sins to end up in Hell dude.
Job, Jacob, David all placed themselves in "hell", as it was merely the grave. So it's easy to imagine Jesus' visit as being an earthshaking turning point. Read Dante's affecting version of it in Inferno.

>>212249488
His depiction of judas is great but Carl's singing is top.
nu-jesus is hot grabage though, looks like a pouty child and can't sing for shit

>>212251082
Not how it works.

>>212251202
>Read Dante's affecting version of it in Inferno.
Where can I get this, I'm too poor to buy books. Can you get your priest to send me some.

WHY GOD WHY

>>212251202
>The Harrowing of Hell is an extra-biblical doctrine
The details might be up for debate, but "Jesus was in Hell" is Scripture, Matthew 12:40.

is Godspell any good

>>212251420
Don’t know if you’re trolling or not, but you’re just wrong and are completely missing the significance of Jesus in Christian belief, like the most basic fundamental stuff. If you’re genuinely interested in this stuff, please look a bit into theology before arguing with people about these things.

>>212228306 (OP)
This scene was played brilliantly. Judas's righteous rage, Jesus's otherworldly stoicism that transitioned to loving accusation on Judas.
Then Jesus goes from "the poor will be with you always" to "you'll be sorry when I'm gone."
Judas is the only one to realize, "Wait, what do you mean gone?"

This facial expression is his moment of epiphany.
Totally brilliant. Almost as if Jesus is sort of rewarding him for his zealotry with an act of trust.

Does anyone else dislike Tim Minchin's Judas? He was stiff, and his singing style wasn't very good. I also hated that show's version of Superstar because it felt cruel, like Judas was gloating instead of confusion or playing a part like in the 70s and 2000 versions, respectively.

>>212229467
>Jesus should have been discredited and he would've fallen into obscurity.
They couldn't 'discredit' Him, whatever that means. So they had to kill Him.

>>212251876
If there are special rules then the whole thing is pointless.

>>212252030
Jesus is not a real historical figure.

>>212243613
yeah this a yell out "kino" moment

>>212228561
>Christian musical
That's where you are incorrect. It's agnostic at best, anti-Christian at worst.

>>212252112
What do you mean by that?

>>212228446
>>212228306 (OP)
>>212228871
BASEDBASEDBASEDBASED

>>212252191
He's a literary figure. There was no Nazareth back then. The apostles are made up. Luke-Acts is fiction. Matthew is Jewish folk mythology similar to Syrian paganism. Mark is about Serapis and Ninos and the Cyrenian Jews.

what is this movie, i need to know

>>212252287
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070239/

>>212252287
Jesus Christ Superstar (1973). Top tier musical by Andrew Lloyd Webber and Tim Rice. Was also originally a rock album

>>212252112
>>212252278

>>212251967
Only good Judas is in 2000. There are some good productions that have other good bits though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3RZfzA3hDQ

Look at this for example. It's amazing.

if for whatever reason you wanted to hear japs sing this musical here you go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBkJL3k4ftQ

>>212251571
See this
>>212251202
>Job, Jacob, David all placed themselves in "hell", as it was merely the grave.
Just as Jonah was in the "belly of Hades" (LXX), as good as dead.


>>212251471
>I'm too poor to buy books.
Here's a website. It's like a book on the computer for people too poor for, or allergic to, paper.
https://digitaldante.columbia.edu/dante/divine-comedy/inferno/inferno-4/

>“Let us descend into the blind world now,”
>the poet, who was deathly pale, began;
>“I shall go first and you will follow me.”

>But I, who’d seen the change in his complexion,
>said: “How shall I go on if you are frightened,
>you who have always helped dispel my doubts?”

>And he to me: “The anguish of the people
>whose place is here below, has touched my face
>with the compassion you mistake for fear.

>Let us go on, the way that waits is long.”
>So he set out, and so he had me enter
>on that first circle girdling the abyss.

>Here, for as much as hearing could discover,
>there was no outcry louder than the sighs
>that caused the everlasting air to tremble.

>The sighs arose from sorrow without torments,
>out of the crowds—the many multitudes—
>of infants and of women and of men.

>The kindly master said: “Do you not ask
>who are these spirits whom you see before you?
>I’d have you know, before you go ahead,

>they did not sin; and yet, though they have merits,
>that’s not enough, because they lacked baptism,
>the portal of the faith that you embrace.

>And if they lived before Christianity,
>they did not worship God in fitting ways;
>and of such spirits I myself am one.

>For these defects, and for no other evil,
>we now are lost and punished just with this:
>we have no hope and yet we live in longing.”

>>212252379
Scholars also believe in global warming dumbass.
It's because biblical scholarship is a niche field that mostly only believers are engaged in.

Scholars think Christianity is novel and therefore the innovation of a single mad individuals (Jesus) among illiterate fishermen. Bullshit. Almost all of Christianity correlates to Syrian and Egyptian pagan motifs but these "scholars" don't even know about those motifs if you ask them, which I have, via a few hundred dollars of superchat money.
It's a joke.

>>212252123
>That's where you are incorrect. It's agnostic at best, anti-Christian at worst.
LMFAO you idiot.

>>212252463
>Great sorrow seized my heart on hearing him,
>for I had seen some estimable men
>among the souls suspended in that limbo.

>“Tell me, my master, tell me, lord.” I then
>began because I wanted to be certain
>of that belief which vanquishes all errors,

>“did any ever go—by his own merit
>or others’—from this place toward blessedness?”
>And he, who understood my covert speech,

>replied: “I was new—entered on this state
>when I beheld a Great Lord enter here;
>the crown he wore, a sign of victory.

>He carried off the shade of our first father,
>of his son Abel, and the shade of Noah,
>of Moses, the obedient legislator,

>of father Abraham, David the king,
>of Israel, his father, and his sons,
>and Rachel, she for whom he worked so long,

>and many others—and He made them blessed;
>and I should have you know that, before them,
>there were no human souls that had been saved.”

>>212252287
Kino of the highest order. I am not hige on musicals, but I unironically love Jesus Christ Superstar.

>>212252478
>Scholars also believe in global warming dumbass.
What is the schizo theory behind there being no snow in most of Europe at all anymore, and most of the year being unbearably hot compared to any year in our lifetimes?

>>212252463
That's not a book. Your Church is too poor to send me a book?

>>212252478
>Scholars also believe in global warming dumbass.
Sorry man I can't be seen conversing with retards. Last word's yours if you want it.

i've heard a lot of stories of this musical inspiring hippies to convert to christianity because of how it framed the religion in a more accessible way than how it was shoved down their throat by their parents and community leaders
it also probably inspired some people to leave christianity, too
it's like a paradox

>>212252417
Nahhh. Carl Anderson is the GOAT. I like 2000 Judas too, it's just Anderson's performance is unbeatable.

>>212252557
>>212252584
Of course Christcuck retards would believe in the radiative greenhouse effect.

>>212252488
It's definitely agnostic when you realise that Judas is Tim Rice's mouthpiece. Superstar is basically him asking if Jesus is really all they say he is.

>>212252609
It works so well because of its religious ambiguity and relatability/humanizing of figures such as Judas Iscariot and Pontius Pilate.

>>212252463
>e have no hope and yet we live in longing
I know what it's trying to say but longing and hope overlap substantially.
>>212248579
Basedbased. Many people don't understand Judas.

>>212252540
I've heard that a lot of its fans aren't typical musical fans. I love musicals, but I also love JCS.

>>212252619

>>212228561
Judas is LITERALLTY us, anon. Every day we choose not to have faith in Him, we are Judas.

>>212252609
I just watched it, and I'm teetering on the edge of ignoring all that I know about reality to try and become a Christian. At the very least, it has made me realise how powerful the story of Jesus really is.

>>212252676
And this is not Christian how moron?

>>212248579
>>Judas's sin wasn't the "betrayal".
A demon entered him during the act anyway, so yeah, good job trying to appear smart for the American zoomer tards who think Christianity is what the fat black dude tells them while rolling his eyes and twirling a snake around.

>>212252041
Christians believe he is literally God in human form.

>>212252777
>triple 7s

>>212252767
I see you don't understand Judas at all. He literally had the most faith in Jesus out of everyone.

>>212252827
Because Tim Rice is an atheist friend. JCS can appeal to atheists, Christians, and agnostics. That's part of why it's so powerful.

>>212252894
He killed himself because he lost faith, no? He wasn't patient?

>>212252761
TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL ME WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT YOUR FRIENDS AT THE TOP

>>212252868
That's one account, but not a consistent one.

>>212252923
DID MOHAMMED MOVE A MOUNTAIN OR WAS THAT JUST PR

any Godspell enjoyers here?

>>212252881
"Why did you convert to Christianity?"

"I got triple 7s on a 4chan post about considering my faith."

>>212252898
Might want to ask him again now that the UK is a sharia caliphate lmfao.

>>212252914
No.

>>212252425
I recently discovered there's a large amount of Korean versions aswell.

>>212252962
DON'T YOU GET ME WRONGDON'T YOU GET ME WRONGDON'T YOU GET ME WRONG

I ONLY WANA KNOW

>always hoped that I'd be an opossum

>>212252976
i'm watching it in clips on youtube rn

>>212253138
>sneeding in a gentle pool of wine

>>212252580
>The world will let no fame of (You)rs endure;
>both justice and compassion must disdain (You);
>let us not talk of (You), but look and pass.

>>212229357
The other Apostles only got interesting after Jesus had already buggered off

>>212253088
It's not faith if it's called a betrayal.

>>212250034
2000 Judas was scheming, and snide with obviously sinister intentions. His acting lost all the nuance, anguish and inner conflict 73 had.

>>212253532
Ok so you're the same as any retarded capitalist psycho piece of shit thanks for confirming.

>>212253846
Your understanding of the human condition is based on TikTok I presume?

>>212252478
>Scholars also believe in global warming dumbass.
>if you ask them, which I have, via a few hundred dollars of superchat money.
please keep talking. this is really funny.

holy kino...

My super religious orthodox parents often had this movie playing.

>>212238389
Did you thought even a single person was going to get that pun?

>>212244808
lmao

>never made a Prophet Muhammad Superstar or King David Superstar
what gives?

>>212228306 (OP)
When he was like "you've begun to matter more than the things you say"
I was like "yeah"

>>212237474
>but the Roman Empire had laws and considered that kind of lack of self-accountability barbaric
then why did they do it after the events of the Gospels to people like Domitian?

>>212228343
Jesus would never say that

>>212244808
>>212245136
>>212258753
idgi :(

why doesn't jesus bring judas back?

What kind of god can’t save everyone?

>>212259401
>can’t
won't
>but then he's not worth worshipping
cope

>>212259401
evil shitter what else

>>212259339
Watch the 1973 movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN4TxOd9I8Q

>>212260200
>Rattling
Lol. Thanks.

for me it's pirate's dream

>>212228306 (OP)
I scrolled past this about 10 times before I realized it wasn't Michael Jackson in Thriller.

>>212229356
Wow Russell Brand really fell off.

>>212228306 (OP)
That's right

>>212228871
Just stick to fishing from now on!~
>>212251202
>The Harrowing of Hell is an extra-biblical doctrine created to tie up in a nice bow the "problem" of the righteous dead before Christ
See Revelations 20:15, it was already addressed before that.

Actually everyone here should read Revelations, it's sick. even the non-religious will enjoy it

>>212262579
I have a grasp of the Harrowing Of Hell. Can you help put in context the Scouring Of The Shire?

>>212259401
Do you want a world with no free will?

>>212262626
"Mash them, boil them, put them in a stew" is my general interpretation.

>Pilate didn't want to kill him
>tried to trick the jews with flogging first
>jews demand crucifixion
>Pilate orders death sentence
>wink wink
>???
>three days later Jesus mysteriously resurrected

>>212263422
HMM

Why do the lyrics rarely rhyme?

>>212264232
why would they?

>>212264994
They usually do in songs, it sounds less weird

>>212253846
I disagree. Every scene he's in, he is clearly conflicted and deeply loyal to Jesus. In superstar he acts cocky and gloating when singing, but when the backup singers start and he is no longer the focus he gets face to face with Jesus and looks like he is in pain at seeing his friend in misery. He is playing his role as a betrayer in public, but in private, he is deeply regretful.

>>212265323
Do people really not understand all this by just casually glancing at the screen? Are zoomers genuinely autistic?

>>212265356
If someone saw the 2000 version of Judas and thought he had no nuance, then maybe they are all autistic

>>212263422
You wouldn't really WINK WINK survive getting crucified, though.

>>212265893
Why not?

STOMPIN ON THE ENEMY!!!
JESUS CHRIST!!!

>>212264232
not uncommon in sung-through musicals

>>212265938
Because it's designed to suffocate you.
When you arms are held up above your head like that, it's difficult to breathe.
Add in the fact that you're held there by nine inch nails through your wrists, and you'll try to pull yourself up so you can breathe and relieve some of the pressure on your wrists.
But you can only do that for so long before your shoulders give out, forcing you to release them, falling downwards, putting pressure on your chest and nails.
Repeat this in the desert sun for a few hours until the Legionaries get bored and break your legs, except for Jesus who got a hole pierced in his lung.

>>212252976
comfy

>>212229356
ONE THING I'LL SAY FOR HIM, JESUS IS COOOOOOL

>>212239616
I love Gethsemane

>>212246993
A big part of Phantom's appeal is the stage version has a lot of truly cool special effects done live. But a big part is that its a largely secular show, and a lot of people don't particularly like the depiction of Jesus as a young man with a girlfriend who doesn't heal the lepers and who may or may not be the son of God

>>212252894
>You have set them all on fire
>They think they've found their new Messiah
>And they'll hate you when they find they're wrong

JCS presents Judas as never having believed in any of the Son of God talk. He follows Jesus because of his charisma and good deeds but thinks that the worship has gone to Jesus' head and is causing him to lose sight of what he was originally trying to accomplish.

>>212259231
you will piss off the larpers, but christianity and racism are fundamentally incompatible
also yeah he only spoke herbew herp derp

>>212228306 (OP)
Why is he doing the skeleton puppet pose?

Has anyone else seen AD/BC: A Rock Opera? It's probably one of the most obscure things Matt Berry and Richard Ayoade have been in

INKEEPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb1QUefKjpo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL1-jDdUqAg

>>212244808
Goated post.

>>212258981
Can't depict Muhammed and nobody will see a musical about a guy who's told to go collect 100 philistine foreskins and comes back with 200

>>212264232
They do in all the big numbers, but they cut corners when they just need to get a little expository dialogue in

>>212268137
>Add in the fact that you're held there by nine inch nails through your wrists
Which you're of course not, you're held by rope around your upper arms.

NAZARETH YOUR FAMOUS SON SHOULD'VE STAYED A GREAT UNKNOWN
LIKE HIS FATHER CARVING WOOD HE'D HAVE MADE GOOD
TABLES CHAIRS AND OAKEN CHESTS WOULD HAVE SUITED JESUS BEST
HE'D HAVE CAUSED NOBODY HARM, NOBODY ALARM

I'm sorry but the original album version with Ian Gillan from Deep Purple as Jesus is still the best. It has my favourite Judas and Pilate too
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vqvdgWxRu1k&list=OLAK5uy_mh_FRUrETtDj6O49G5_Fi748LA7OCkz5Y&index=14&pp=8AUB

>>212268773
Why are you quoting lyrics to me when I know all of them by heart?
>>212268853
They are perfectly compatible.

>>212228306 (OP)
god imagine a remake with Creed doing the soundtrack with original lyrics
I'd cry

>>212271048
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo-qS_flExM
not as punchy as the movie

>>212269812
>they cut corners when they just need to get a little expository dialogue in
sadly that does make it kinda weird for me, like they should have prioritised song quality as opposed to explaining everything

>>212269125
nice, I never heard of this before though

>>212271684
Yeah, it'd be nice if it got somewhat of a resurgence like Darkplace, but unfortunately it remains completely unknown, which is weird given how many other Brits with much better-known later roles are in it.

>>212228306 (OP)
YOU REALLY DO BELIEVE
THE THINGS THEY SAY OF YOU
YOU REALLY DO BELIEVE
THIS TALK OF GOD IS TRUEEEEEEEEE

>>212252609
I never understood how Christians can't embrace the fundamental lesson of the Jesus story as empathy and forgiveness even for the most heinous acts and shy away from sympathy for Judas or Pilate or the devil himself. Surely the lessons of Christ are "even the worst among us deserve redemption" but Christians through history simply don't register that and instead focus on people being mean to a nice guy so they can persecute people without feeling guilty. Christ would be ashamed to witness the state of his followers through history.

I know he's a meme and he can't sing-sing but I have sentiment for Tim Minchin's Judas because that's the version I saw in tv as a teenager kek
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5lTwmK__TDo&pp=0gcJCcEJAYcqIYzv

>>212265938
You don't get better from being crucified. It's a lethal form of torture.

>>212228561
Judas was the most important apostle, anon. Idk why Christians fail to realize this.

>>212241707
>you've been posting awful memes, all around the place
>chuds and basedjacks, superman's weird head
>and now I understand you're... "based"
>at least that's what you've said...

>>212243168
YOU INNOCENT
Puppet...

>>212252988
Why would a artist depict Jesus as a retarded Eskimo?

>Spanish version ends with the Judas singer betraying the Jesus singer in real life
KINO

>>212274039
It was a nice fresco that was vandalized by some retarded old woman in Spain

>>212269752
Why do people hate overachievers??

>>212273404
Yeah I don't understand how Chr*stians don't just give all their worldly possessions to Israel either.

>>212273489
>You don't get better from being crucified. It's a lethal form of torture.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion#Survival

>>212229357
>Mmmm.

>>212228306 (OP)
kino

>>212274641
he looks really gay

>>212274678
looks more perturbed to me.

>>212229357
>>The others follow Jesus but abandon him.
???

>>212252540

Same. Never cared for musicals but Heaven on Their Minds Scene is celestial kino.

YOU SAD PATHETIC MAN
SEE WHERE YOU'VE BROUGHT US TO
OUR IDEALS DIE AROUND US
ALL BECAUSE OF YOU
AND NOW THE SADDEST CUT OF ALL
SOMEONE HAS TO TURN YOU IN
LIKE A COMMON CRIMINAL
LIKE A WOUNDED ANIMAL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMybTpDXI7Q&t=273s

>>212265356
>>212265778
You guys are the ones not picking up on his secret snarls and evil little grins.
Dude was playing a villain and did not convey the torture Carl Anderson did.
Plus, just look at this clown. Surely he's trust worthy

>>212252425
Holy shit, this sounds weird. Not bad, just... Very weird.

>>212269125
i enjoyed these songs

>>212252425
Considering how... complicated Japan's history with Christianity is, I wouldn't be surprised to discover that this translation was entirely funded by some death cult with ties to a cookie manufacturer or something.

>>212275711
>Black guy running amongst sheep
>He's the black sheep
So fucking kino

>>212252425
this version of What's the Buzz rules

>>212252777
I always tell people that even if you don't _believe_ or want to engage in the religion part of it, the Jesus story is a fantastic saga on its own. From the events leading to his birth to his final "Lol k, bye", the structure and historical context makes it the purest of kino.

But don't let Reddit/4chan deter you. If faith will lead you to making better choices, improve the way you live and relate to the world around you-- go for it.

Jesus is King

>>212264232
Rhyming is for more lyrical portions; much like actual opera, the exposition is delivered in the "recitative" sections, which usually dont rhyme.

>>212252711
My wife made me watch Joseph and the technocolor dream coat. It was alright. More accessible for my kids to watch.

Made her watch Jesus christ superstar star. She looked out but not as much as joseph. I so think Jesus christ blows joseph out of the water. So many good songs

>>212238389
Funny pun

>>212243168
Did anyone else not like this guy or his songs?

>>212279092
Pilate has the best songs, you pleb

>>212279092
they grew on me. i like his acting

DON'T YOU GET ME WRONG

We can at least all agree that Trial Before Pilate is the best song, though right?

Fuck yeah

>>212275860
He is definitely conflicted. Look at his regret during superstar when the cameras are focused on the back up dancers

>>212229357
Imagine living your life and then you find out that you never had free will at all. Judas entire life was premeditated dude never had a chance. What kind of a fucked up god does that to an innocent creation before it is even born? One that demands foreskins?

>>212276753
It's not reddit atheists that stop me from believing. Its how strange the inner workings of the universe really are. What kind of god would make quantum mechanics where probability is an intrinsic factor. Why are we just a massive clump of interacting electrons, protons, and neutrons.

A god that cares like the biblical one is hard to believe in with how strange the universe is.

>>212280933
Everything you've done before now was always going to go that way, or it wouldn't have happened. That's free will.

>>212278414
Joeseph is the kids version of JCS. JCS is more emotionally and spiritually resonate. The main characters of Judas and Jesus have more gravitas than Joeseph. Also JCS has a better structure and is more consistent.

HE-HEY WOMAN YOUR FINE OINTMENT

>>212279092
CRUCIFY HIM! CRUCIFY HIM!!

>>212281028
If I am not born, and I am then born, and my life is to sacrifice God, then it doesn't sound like free will. If Judas wasn't predestined to turn on Christ, there would have never been a Christianity.

>>212229467
Half of the gospel is the pharisees trying to discredit Jesus and getting destroyed by faith and logic

>>212281190
Take a poor boy (not Judas). Dad who works all the time, mom is a lazy nag. Dad only knows he has to work to survive, isn't educated enough to impart meaningful values, ditto the mom. Kid has no meaningful values, so he turns to things that give more immediate gratification such as drugs. He was always going to go that way because his environment didn't encourage anything else. He was always going to go that way because his father's father didn't impart meaningful values, his mother's mother probably wasn't even there, etc. They all acted with free will, but it ultimately leads to one destination.

Judas was always going to betray Jesus because life worked out that way. We all have free will, make no mistake, anon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compatibilism

I've been playing Victoria 3 and one of the technologies in the game is called "Mass Communication" so the entire time I'm playing I've got "ISRAEL IN 4BC HAD NO MASS COMMUNICATION" stuck in my head

That's not free will, at all, though? You are telling me, no matter what the kid did in his life, because his parents were fucked up, he deserved to suffer? That makes God look even worse in your analogy. Anyways. I denounce the talmud, marduk, babylonian caananites, and all other jewish derivatives.

>>212268853
>christianity and racism are fundamentally incompatible
>>212271131
>They are perfectly compatible.
Let's see some arguments

>ending was supposed to just be the cross with the sun setting behind it with sad music
>a random Shepard leading his flock just happens to cross by during the filming and accidently ends up in the scene
>keep it in
Kino

>>212281441
>he deserved to suffer?
I didn't use the word "deserve" or "deserved."
>That makes God look even worse in your analogy
I hate to be the one to tell you this man, you're very likely sub100 iq. You're thinking about it in terms of good or bad or """"deserve"""". This is the only way reality can work. You cannot understand peace without suffering. You cannot triumph if there is no struggle. You cannot take care so you don't meet the ill fates of others if there are no others with ill fates. It just is. I am that I am. If you truly disliked it, you have a way out. We both know you won't do that.

>>212281931
unplanned symbolism of the resurrection. God is good

>>212281946
>be born
> in India
Praise god!

>>212243168
now that the dust has settled, did he do anything wrong?

>>212282302
Could have been born retarded. Could have been born in bumfuck nowhere Tennessee. It is what it is. If one wishes to raise their standing, they must give themselves to The higher power, and He will carry you.
>"Your path led through the sea, Your way through the mighty waters, though Your footprints were not seen."
To make it /tv/ related.
>Sometimes I go about in pity for myself, and all the while, a great wind carries me across the sky

>>212281931
I wonder exactly what their reactions were when that happened. It's such an obvious symbolism that it's hard to believe it was mere chance but if it really was a coincidence, it's mindblowing.

>>212281931
>>212282946
Oh c'mon. They saw the guy running his sheep some meters away and they said "hey, can you lead them this way while we shoot?"

>>212228343
Jesus was black

CHRIST I KNOW YOU CAN'T HEAR ME, BUT I ONLY DID WHAT YOU WANTED ME TO

>>212228306 (OP)
DESUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

>>212263196
There's no free will under god

I really enjoy Annas' performance I think it's underrated

>>212284196
He plays the evil sniviling sidekick well. He dosent come across as unlikeable and overly evil. In Judas's Death he seems genuinely confused why Judas isn't happy with how well everything was working out.

>>212280847
Yeah while he's dressed like Satan with devil-sluts dancing around him...
Its a mocking, faux concern saying "Look how you fucked this up for us". Nothing about his performance puts forth sadness or regret

>>212281004
>A god that cares like the biblical one is hard to believe in with how strange the universe is.
I don't see why. What would make more sense to you?

>>212281190
Those choices were still his. I don't understand why people get hung up on this. Knowing the result doesn't mean the steps to get there were, what, programed? Puppet?

>What then to do about jesus of Nazareth, miracle wonderman, hero of fools?

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>>212284653
Hes playing a part, just like he played the part of betrayer. You can see it everytime the cameras focus on the background singers he drops the act and is full of sadness and longing for Jesus. Near the end he has this look as Jesus reaches out for him before he shifts back into mocking to sing. Its not even subtle. He's playing the villain, even though he loves Jesus regrets how it all turned out