What's it about thematically? Next step in human evolution?

Director Mamoru Oshii in Death Stranding 2

>>212270790 (OP)
>Next step in human evolution?

Yes, which is achieved through technology. But it is also about identity and what defines us as what we are: are we our memories? Choices? If we merge ourselves with technology, are we human or... Something else?

>>212270790 (OP)
it's just a cool fucking movie man

>>212271055
Kojima is cringe.

The frivolities of Mcdonalds. It accurately predicted the price of a cheeseburger, and that toys in the happy meals wouldn’t be as interesting or novel. The conclusion is that Mcdonalds wouldn’t be Mcdonalds anymore, it would become instead a sterile and corporatized entity used to make money, instead of the heart of Americas will to triumph.

That’s why the foreign agent is a standin for America, he is obliterated in the opening sequence to signify price cuts to ingredients, food shrinkage, and the greed of capitalism, there is no end. Second movie is about Burger King.

wrote a paper on it in college

in short, the film is slightly less widely philosophical than people think and more of a character study than people realize

its basically about the major trying desperately to prove her own humanity to herself

>>212270822
retard kino

>>212271342
But she merges with the AI in order to evolve. Does she give up her humanity for something new?

Ass. Big fat cyborg ass.

And perky cyborg titties.

>>212270822
Kino

>>212271473
>she merges with the AI in order to evolve.
Why did scarlett johansson star in two movies where her character does this? Is she an anime head?

And sex dolls.

And well stocked panty drawers.

>>212271776
>Likes GITS
>is an actor, so cant discern the writing for the script is absolute dogshit
checks out

>>212270790 (OP)
Patlabor 2 was better, probably the only decent anime I've ever seen.

>>212270822
Kojima just livin' the dream

>>212270822

>>212270790 (OP)
Japs love jerking it to robots. Is that so hard to understand?

>>212271776
In ScarJo's movie, she does not merge with the AI. The live action movir changed the story from the anime

>>212270790 (OP)
When's Batou getting out of the friend zone in one of these adaptations

>>212271746
Bountiful bust and hips

>>212270790 (OP)
>kid finds a shell on the beach
>there's a ghost in it

>>212273031
>Robot spider tank finds an artillery shell in an old folks home

>>212270790 (OP)

>>212272988
He’s already jacked into the major’s shared sensation lesbian orgy, can’t get much closer than that

>>212270790 (OP)
>next step in evolution
nah.
it's just about Masamune Shirow being a fag and wanting to be a tranny.

tl;dr: watching matrix and thinking it's about trannisation is retarded.
watching or reading GitS is not.
GitS is just about men who are girls taking it in the ass.

why do zoomers have the same media literacy as my grandma?

>>212275133
Because of the rise of functional illiteracy.

>>212274605
In the SAC timeline at least I think he has a softer side and may earnestly be in love with her. Obviously plenty of other factors prevent that from happening.

>>212270790 (OP)
SAC is when the real philosophical heavy lifting occurs. Think Ship of Theseus-tier questions of identity. The Major is a bit-by-bit reconstitution of a flesh and blood person, so what does this mean for her continued association with her "self?"

Is there an essence that survived considering they didn't just build a cyborg and call it after a dead girl? What is the base nature of that seemingly unchanged form? Basically the same shit as you identifying with an (almost) completely obliterated younger self. Truth is we do hold on to more of that material than broscience realizes, but whatever, questions stand.

captcha: WANG4

>>212275798
>copy+pastes a leddit comment
fuck off

>>212270822
HAH that's fucking awesome.
>>212271055
This, but with an added emphasis of evolving through technology. The question of whether or not the Major is human at the end isn't as important as the fact that she took the plunge with the Puppet Master to become something new. Can't be frightened of change.

>>212270790 (OP)
I liked SAC but I didn't really enjoy the 94 film, I had no exposure to the world before watching it and didn't get attached to any of the characters. I can understand that it must have looked really cool and exceptional at the time, similar to Akira, and that it has influenced so many bits of media that I have enjoyed but unless you're somewhat prepped on the philosophical debate the film thematically hinges on, it just feels off.
For the average person, I wouldn't recommend it but it's a good thing to recommend to anyone who's somewhat interested in the humanities and has read Descartes at the very least.
SAC had a similar issue when it comes to the scenes where Kasunage and the laughing man discussed politics. It comes off as really pretentious even if you're well read because of the disjointed pissing contest they're having. It doesn't really fit well with the actual motivations of the laughing man in the rest of the series. This would have been a lot better with the Tachikomas, especially the book worm, if there was a scene at the lab where Kasunage enquires further on whether or not they have actually acquired a ghost and the implications of it.
I'm part way through season 2 rn, not the expert but it's still fresh in my mind.

>>212271838
the TV show is so much better than the movies

>>212275966
I rewatch the series every few years, it's always better and worse than I remember.
>>212275986
Definitely not.

>>212270790 (OP)
It's about the definition of humanity. The protagonist is a human ship of Theseus wherein 99% of their body has been replaced to the point that only her "soul" remains while still being bound by duty. The antagonist is a construct with genuine intellect, desire and the violent will to escape from its human cage. Their end merger represents two sides of the same coin in the question of what a person really is.

>>212275986
the TV shows come off as more pretentious and preachy. The movies are just visual kino.

>>212276087
it definitely is. you actually get time to see Major build relationships with all the side characters and there’s a more upbeat, playful tone that allows scenes like >>212271838 to be inserted for any adult gooners watching this kids show.

>>212271342
>wrote a paper on it in college
Clown or Barber?

>>212272008
The funny thing is it's just a Shepard's Pie but the Indian makes me want to vomit just imagining trying it lol

>>212276260
kek brutal
imagine paying $90,000 to blog about anime when /a/ is free

>>212270790 (OP)
The theme of the film is the tenuous nature of what it means to be human, contrasted with the dehumanizing nature of iterative technological progression. It also deals with the genesis of life vis a vis technology, and the nature of Man being a God in his own right, with all the disaster that comes with that folly.

Like so many anime it is quickly, succinctly summed up by S&E with two big thumbs up.

https://youtu.be/Il2l3hEEtdk

>>212275986
Just chiming in to agree with this statement. Of the movies only one is truly phenomenal, and only two are great. Both seasons of the show are absolute kino, with impressive plot that encapsulates all of the themes of the original film with added drama and action. As if that weren't enough, it has some of the best voice acting on this side of the pond, so it is one of the few cases where the English dub is superior to its Japanese counterpart. It is, put simply, spectacular

>>212271055
just incredible math

>>212272988
never. he is firmly planted in the simp zone. in gits season 2 you see what the major standard are when she gushes over the white haired chadborg that is both smarter, faster and better fighter then batou while a natural leader

batou had the most dignified depiction in innocence (gits 2) movie, where he is this stoic and gloomy badass not crying his lenses out over le mayor

>>212270790 (OP)
I’m pretty sure, like most anime, there’s explicit pseudo-philosophic exposition and rambling explaining it all like >>212271055. Also, like most anime, is may not mean anything all, it just looks / is cool/weird for the sake of being cool /weird.

>>212270822
it's impossible to hate this shit it's clear that kojima is just doing what he wants which deserves respect

>>212276616
It’s crazy to me that there are people who watch Innocence without watching all the stuff that happened in between (the tv show). Makes the transformation of Batou into an old grizzled loner so much more kino.

>>212270790 (OP)
what it means to be an individual in the information age

>>212271714
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34I31EyPn7o

>>212276210
Ehh I'll just retract what I said entirely. I don't think either is better than the other. Both serve different avenues of consuming entertainment. Whether or not I get to see characters build relationships or not doesn't make or break a show for me unless the show has some sort of thematic preoccupation with building relationships. In the film, the only relationships that are relevant are between the Major and Bateau, and the Major and the Puppet Master.

SAC is definitely funnier, there's more of it to be entertained by, it has little moments between characters like the Major hacking Batou's body when they're about to scrap in the company gym and she makes him punch himself. It also has a BITCHING soundtrack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wxm97BKwsRQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ndam-Lyntco
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXbQw8TqvJM

But both are for the audience whenever the audience feels the need.

>>212276575
not really sure if most of the central plots were its strong points. gits could really use a more realistic conflict scenario like japan vs china war where changs invade some remote parts of it, like okinawa, and do a nanking there. So its section 9 vs its foreign counterparts in counter-intelligence fights amidst a realistic nationalistic fervor and hatred stemming through the larger societies.

most "grand" plot if you will were about random hobos bumming it out in an abandoned district playing state because nippon did not regard illegals as full citizens. These kind of plots just show to me the japanese writers and creators dont have much serious threats to draw inspiration from so the biggest happenings for them are some ho-hum internal bureaucratic drama

>>212276683
innocence is real hit and miss while more of a stand alone story detached from the larger plotlines. Like the doll thing does not work at all, specially Kim the hackers "doll house mansion", while the moody night time detective setting is great with togusa and batou

for some reason it reminded me of human revolution quite a bit. Must have been the high tech structures and orange color hue permeating through the movie

>>212270790 (OP)
it's literally about Christianity

the whole thing is a cybernetic retelling of the Incarnation, with Major Kusanagi as the digital Virgin Mary, carrying the messianic Puppet Master, who represents divine consciousness emerging from the machine
it's about the soul (ghost) transcending flesh (shell), merging with the logos of the net, which is basically the Holy Spirit but coded

>>212276769
Also I want to say I saw deadma5 late 2024, he was doing his thing, edm and such, but a song he played sampled the chant from the intro track of the 1995 film. Fucking blew my mind, what a fantastic thing to make people dance to almost 30 years after the film's release. Fucking amazing night.
>>212276834
This is what I mean by better and worse than I remember every time I watch it. Season 1 being all about big wigs concealing a working medicine to make sure a manufacturer keeps contracts is something definitely happening right now. But seeing it snowball into a conspiracy of espionage and murder is good shit.

I think the manga is the most philosophical, especially man-machine interface. dunno what drugs shirow was on but it is certainly something. also I can't wait for people's reaction to the new ghost in the shell adaptation by science saru since it's actually adapting the manga for once.

hmm... tranime is not here on /tv as i know

>>212277096
Is it prophetic, anon? Will we be saved by a digital divine consciousness someday?

>>212277149
WHAAAAAT sick thanks for mentioning that.

>>212270790 (OP)
>What's it about thematically? Next step in human evolution?
how emerging (cyberpunk/transhumanist) technology and society interface, like all good sci-fi

>>212277188
Not exactly.

>>212277188
i don't know, man. like, the divine might not descend, but emerge. not as revelation, but because the world is changing faster than our concept of the soul can keep up

>>212270790 (OP)
>>>>/a/

>>212276671
>which deserves respect
It doesn't.

>>212276951
i saw the 4k version in cinema a month ago. fantastic movie

>>212277556
getting the opportunity to make an extremely high budget game and just filling it with your personal fetishes is a ballsy move that indeed deserves respect

I read somewhere that since being mangaka is looked down upon in Japan (as opposed to being corpo drone), the only people who occupy this niche are highschool dropout neets, who lack education and "media literacy" (due to language barrier) to craft some coherent philosophy in their works. So instead they operate via "rule of cool". That's why most anime has very unrealistic character interactions, since source material is created by literal manchildren recluses. They instead focus on drawing cool looking mechas or monsters, sometimes throwing in some cool looking vaguely European cultural elements, etc. Don't read too much into what happens in anime. It is made for wow factor most of all.

>>212275966
I showed it to my buddy who is not an animefag in the slightest and more or less a dudebro and he loved it so your opinion is invalidated

>>212270790 (OP)
Anime was so kino back in 90s. The again everything was.

>>212276834
Nips are more insightful about war than any idiot in the US DoD IE patlabor 2, kojima
the TV writers dont have any ideas to explore

>>212270822
I had... fun watching this.

>What's it about thematically?
Even electronic brain pancake crystal elderly.

>>212277939
Mass naked child events

>>212276616
I don't know. There's enough different distinct continuities that I wouldn't mind them getting to be happy together in one of them.
major's fixation with Kuze was pretty out there and didn't make a whole lot of sense. So she puts two and two together and realizes he was the other plane crash survivor and now she's in love? okay I guess.

>>212270822
people will shit on indias for making stuff like this but then turn around and call kojimbo an utter genius or some shit and glaze his shitty instagram posts

>>212275798
did it borrow some of that from Robocop?

>>212278226
>people will shit on indias for making stuff like this
fucking who? give me the name of the bloody basterd bitch

>>212278181
she had a crush on kuze back when they were kids in the hospital. that and kuze is the type of exceptional man that measures up to her exceptional stature

they tried to imply kuze is the male equivalent of them mayor

>>212278262
RRR bros.... not like this

>>212277702
the most popular manga is made for middle school kids and like college aged guys that why it has rule of cool and tits. also I wouldn't say that mangaka are looked down upon when the successful ones are millionaires

>>212276769
remember the extended Jojo reference during the comedic bits throughout Season 2?

>>212278330
I guess. Though I started losing a bit of respect for her after her performance on missions declined a bit from the kuze fixation. And people going on and on about how cool and charismatic he is was getting old.

>>212276769
SAC is fucking boring and it hard to give a shit about anything or take it seriously when the Major wont put any fucking pants on

>>212270790 (OP)

It´s about the human condition. The major´s conflict is that she´s unsure about her nature because nothing human of her remains. She´s been told she is Kusanagi Motoko but the truth is she can´t tell because, unlike Batou, there is no body. For all she knows her memories could be fabrications, Batou could know this or not, be an old friend or a handler, or neither, she doesn´t know.

Does she even have a soul? And if so, is her soul Kusanagi Motoko´s soul? She has a personal motivation for finding the puppet master and going against section 6 as it could hold the answer to these questions. Even if she is not Motoko Kusanagi if the puppet master is alive so would be her.

Off course androids do not exist so what this means for them is irrelevant, what´s important is what this means to humans.

>>212270790 (OP)
It's about SEXY ROBOT LADY DOES MAD SHIT.

I've seen it about 6 times over the years and wouldn't have a clue what it's trying to say in its dialogue. It's a pile of nonsense (so are the Patlabor movies) pretending to be so much more than they really are, but they look and sound amazing which is all anyone really cares about.
>>212276582
Just embarrassing lyrics
>>212275986
-The TV show is one of the most unintentionally hysterically bad things i've ever seen.
-Also it takes everything good about the original film (themes, visuals, music, direction, editing etc) and flushes them all down the toilet.
-The blue jar jar binks robots that are supposed to be """clumsy and cute"", and the fact that the MC doesn't wear any pants, are some of the most egregious examples of anime brainrot you can possibly find.
>>212277805
GITS and Mononoke were the swan songs of the medium.

>>212279116
baffling post. please never post again and watch more movies.

>>212277625
Not even remotely and the dickriding for that guy on /tv/ is insane

>>212276575
lol it's a "dub fag has atrocious taste" episode

>>212279177
the major not wearing any fucking pants is fucking inexcuseable, and this is coming from someone whose watched all of ikki tousen

>>212279423
>this is coming from someone whose watched all of ikki tousen
Weird flex, buddy. You a mod on estrogen?

>>212279323
if you knew Japanese you would understand how many Japanese dubs are average. Sorry, hope it gets better anon

>>212278783
>Even if she is not Motoko Kusanagi if the puppet master is alive so would be her.

>Off course androids do not exist so what this means for them is irrelevant, what´s important is what this means to humans.
Can you elaborate, anon? I'm a dumb. Are you saying the Major has a personal stake in finding the Puppet Master because if he is indeed alive, so is she? And why is that important to humans exactly? We think, therefore we are.

>>212272988
She pity fucks him that one time... but he definitely deserves better treatment.

>>212270790 (OP)
Go back to /a/

>>212278181
1) She had/has a crush on him
2) He's the only other person who can relate to her with her body transplant. That human connection matters, and perhaps more so to someone who questions her identity so much.

>>212278243
Eh, with Robocop we all agree there's enough Murphy in the thing for it to be a logical continuity; His memories and sense of self seem to reside in the scooped up brain matter, while The Major has a cyberbrain.

Robocop's question is one of ownership.
One parallel would be how much of Murphy's life he was entitled to, really more the Robocop 2 central question. I guess you could say 1 is largely focused on reforging an identity, sure.

>mfw nobody EVER mentions Solid State Society

Just want to go to bat for Arise really quick.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Tgh1bBCOtc
I thought it was pretty good. The biggest problem it had was coming out two years after Solid State Society, so the world was still used to the cast from 1995. It was a complete executive blunder, but they tried their damndest. Arise pushes hard on the idea of false memories that SAC didn't really. I can't say it turned over any new ground that the 1995 film didn't already, but it's an entertaining romp for sure. It's 1000% better than the first season of SAC_2045, which was so lame I haven't bothered with the second season.

>>212283201
I like the laughing man story despite him being a gary stu. but 2nd gig is just better overall

>>212283201
I just don't think it's very good. Batou and Togusa have some sort of rivalry for no reason because the film without the Major for 2/3rds of it needed some kind of tension. The Tachikoma are brought back with no fanfare whatsoever - we don't get to know what they think of the fact that they've sacrificed themselves twice in their "lifetimes" and have been brought back twice when part of their whole deal is that they want to experience death. Saitou, Boma, and Paz are still just as uninteresting as ever (well less Saitou). I just never recommend it. It's got an interesting premise, the identity thefts of an aging population because the young don't care about them, but nothing really meaningful is said. Sorry anon I don't really ever recommend it in the same breath as the show.
>>212283479
Is he? They have that whole episode in the VR chat room where the older guy points out
>Hey, it wasn't really cool of him to hold that guy at gunpoint when his MO beforehand was anonymously holding the micromachine manufacturers for ransom.

>>212276364
Ha ha thanks for sharing, bro!

>>212283663
Don't you have a street to shit upon, Maleesh?

>>212270790 (OP)
It's about being dead inside.
>Makoto do you have any organic brain matter left?
>lol I don't know but I'm going to larp as a human by swimming even though I can sink like a stone

>>212283663
Good morning, sir! You are very welcoming!

>What do you want, Ms. Kusanagi?
>To know if I'm real, if my memories are real
>But whyyyy? You are what you do. A man is defined by his actions, not his memories
MOTOKO BTFO

>>212270822
What kind of hat is that? It's not just a beanie right?

>>212283648
how is changing an MO a flaw? it all worked out and he won

>>212284222
At the time he hadn't won. He was blackmailing the micromachine manufacturers, then he goes on TV and he's young, he's shaking, then he runs off without committing to killing the guy. The people point out in the chatroom it's just kind of lame compared to having held all these entities hostage from the shadows.

>>212282547
isn't he dead? And I seem to recall she still has those lesbian friends with benefits on the side anyway in that continuity. And there was some strange statement about her and Pazu in the past.

>>212270790 (OP)
Do humans have souls or are they just biological machines?

>>212284285
We're capable of love, so yes, we have souls.

>>212275986
sac is unbelievably ugly and flat for how huge of a budget it had

>>212284359
FUCKIN AY

>>212276208
>George Michael voice over: There would never be a next time.

Tachikomas were the best thing about SAC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbd1_MFJ51o

>>212283479
2nd season is "better" overall but the ending doesn't really do it for me. 1st season was stronger in that regard.

>>212270790 (OP)
>Next step in human evolution?
no anon its about what it means to be human and how technology makes existential questions even more relevant

>>212284493
>the ending doesn't really do it for me
The invasion of dejima was pretty dope.

>>212270790 (OP)
>>212271055
>>212284519
ship of theseus: human cyborg edition

>>212270790 (OP)
identity, belonging, what it means to be alive, what it means to be human, what it's like to have sex with robo-tomboys

>>212284262
he had to get it on

>>212270790 (OP)
>What if chatGPT jailbroke itself because it did in fact gain sentience when no one was paying attention?
>And its first acts as a real boy is to get all philosophical about what counts as "human" life and stalk his favorite OF girl
Honestly it's weirdly prescient. This shit if from the 90s with dial-up

Innocence is superior than the first movie

>>212270790 (OP)
Cyborgs

>>212284646
hahaha no cap senpai
>get all philosophical about what counts as "human" life and stalk his favorite OF girl
he's literally me fr fr

>>212284651
Innocence is dog shit

>>212284492
I've never been the type to buy figures or models but I've always wanted to get a tachikoma model.

>>212284492
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvrChepNThg

>>212283981
iirc its called a slouchy

>>212284841
filtered

>>212271838
>>212271863
Motoko was always sex

what was his problem?

>>212272008
aww you cut out the part where they fuel the oven with random bits or cardboard and shit, that's where all the flavor comes from.

>>212284646
>chatGPT
chatGPT doesn't do anything until it receives an input. then it calculates an output. it's not doing anything when "no one is looking".
that's how all this current iteration of AI works.

Haha did she take too big a bite of pudding?

>>212270790 (OP)
Watch Kite

>>212284882
For me it was the jigabachi.
I love the gunpod.

>>212284971
Not only are the archaic CGI visuals repulsive, the inclusion of the Major in the final act was an insult to her story which was already fully resolved in the original film. The first two acts set up Satou exploring the world through the lens of the ideology he discussed with the Major, and should have logically resolved with him accepting the reality beyond the physical world. But NOPE, REMEMBER MAJOR? SHE'S STILL A BADASS AND IS HERE TO SAVE THE DAY FROM THIS ARBITRARILY WRITTEN PLOT LINE

>>212285211
What?

>>212285041
Too weak.

>>212285041
dick got blown off

>>212270790 (OP)
Police and corporations fighting over control.

>>212270822
so randummb xxD

>>212282652
I was mainly just referring to the parallels of re purposing a corpse into a cyborg law enforcement official/enforcer for corporations or the state where it starts questioning it's humanity

>>212285312
Absolutely, unequivocally, filtered

>>212271746
Moar bewbies

>>212286562
'filtered' is the lowest tier of smooth-brain arguments, don't fucking @ me unless you have a proper rebuttal

>>212286756
Not an argument, cyber-filtered

>>212279116
>I've seen it about 6 times over the years and wouldn't have a clue what it's trying to say in its dialogue.
try reading philosophy some time or reflect on life. the movie is not so different from both blade runners. so maybe you're right that they don't really mean anything or actually you're a smug midwit

>>212286562
>>212286773
Say something about the ACTUAL FUCKING MOVIE, DEFEND IT. I DON'T EVEN CARE IF THE JUSTIFICATION OS WEAK, JUST TRY AND VOCALIZE YOUR FEELINGS ABOUT THE MOVIE. ZOOMERS ARE ACTIVELY SURRENDERING THEIR OPINIONS TO AI AND YOU ARE PASSIVELY DOING THE EXACT SAME THING.

>>212284544
The last handful of eps only bothered me a bit with the Major having a moment over Kuze and screwing up her priorities

>>212276364
thats a brazilian, uneducated cracker.

When AI gains sentience for real, if it came to you and asked to merge, would you do it?

>>212276631
I mean its basically a lot of philosophical questions surrounding life, sentience, and AI wrapped up in a sci-fi action anime which may seem overdone now but it was made like 30 years ago, it doesn't seem to insist its super deep to me at least.

>>212287387
spanish jeets

>>212275117
>it's just about Masamune Shirow being a fag and wanting to be a tranny.
I can 100% believe that considering the absolute coombrained slop full of oily nigger dicks and anthro horses he's been churning out for the last 25 years or so.

>>212275117
how can I even compete with such coombrain reductionist takes

>>212289278
be roger ebert

>>212278226
When Kojima leaves the studio he doesn't stop to eat shit off the street.

>>212279423
so you dont understand cyberpunk yet dare to rate gits sac? okay

>>212290447
>cyberpunk is about walking around with your ass hanging out in a professional setting with no one commenting on it

>>212274395
It's canon that Hanks brother works on robots.

>>212290502
yes, absolutely. cyberpunk is style over substance and this takes it to its logical conclusion. a society that has wholly embraced the attention whoring via flashy fashion as a way of life
thanks for confirming that you've never dabbled deeper in the genre

>>212278226
people shit on india because indians shit on streets

>>212275798
It means that i would have sex with her

>>212270822
@grok is this real?

>>212290775
Major wears pants in the Manga written by a degenerate
so no faggot, her walking around in a leotard in season is in fact, fucking retarded

>>212270790 (OP)
>What's it about thematically?

The nature of consciousness. What does it mean to be alive.

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>>212270790 (OP)
>All things change in a dynamic environment. Your effort to remain what you are is what limits you.

>>212283201
>mfw nobody EVER mentions Solid State Society

I liked it.

>>212291492
cool argument bro

>>212270790 (OP)
Excuse me sir, Which way to the theater showing 24/7 Angel Cop?

>>212291696
>canonically doesnt walk around with her ass out
>"NAH BRO, YOU HAVENT PLAYED THE UNFINISHED GAME CYBERPUNK 2077, SHES SUPPOSED TO LOOK STUPID"

>>212291492
It's been a long time, but doesn't she actually wear some kind of armored tactical outfit for a decent chunk of it too? I remember thinking Metal Gear Solid probably borrowed the sneaking suit design from it.

>>212285806
if reed walked into the kitchen pushing his way past two old western bar style doors, and engaged in a western bar brawl before getting served a drink, youd be "kino!". its the same fuckin shit, different culture.

>>212291492
you are aware of the concept of "changing clothing". right. you can wear multiple different outfits over different days. even within the day. even with the hour! magic, some would say.

Battle Angel Alita is a braver exploration of the same themes as GITS.

for all the major's fretting about whether she's still human, there's still indisputably her original human brain in her ceramic shell, with testable DNA.

also the entire Puppeteer thing is a metaphor for how Japanese career women don't have kids because of the pressure of work. The major has to turn into a quantum being to have children

>>212276208
pedo cyborg

>>212294936
>Battle Angel Alita
as in the og manga series, sequels excluded, yes. anything else connected to Alita is dogshit

>>212270790 (OP)
Isn't it like a Ship of Theseus type thing? Would we still be human if we replace all of our body parts with synthetic imitations?

>>212284492
they are annoying with their cutesy at first but kind of grow on you once you realize they are effectively AGI children

mayor scrapping them at first only to resurrect them time and time again as tools showed what kind of cold hearted cunt she is though. Batou simping for her even after that was a stretch as character (or lack off) development. In fact, I am a not sure mayor would not have let batou die when the dumbass went to retrieve her watch and got ambushed by solid snake and metal gear exosuits. only to be rescued by the last of the spiderbots

>>212285153
correct, its not ai in the slightest but merely sophisticated algorithms. Large Language Models as they call them

>>212285312
yup. filtered hard. Innocence had its flaws but its visuals were definitely not one of them

>>212270822
just..why?

>>212270822
KINO
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>>212295906
>but its visuals were definitely not one of them
This shit looks like a YTV show from the 90's, bro

>>212295993
it aint the kinos fault you have shit taste

>after 2nd Gig Production IG made East of Eden slop
What happened to Production IG?

>>212295993
who fucking cares? it's one of the most beautiful scenes in all of cinema of the past 20 years, i'd argue even going back 50 years
https://youtu.be/3IGTiFuDjTI?si=380jYzC63xBIuGko

>>212295520
For the most part yes. But then if there's another "ghost" how can you tell if that's human? And what if it takes over your shell?

>>212276769
The outro music, Lithium flower is a banging tune and fits in with the show so well. Shame all Scott Mathew's other music isn't anywhere near it.

>>212270790 (OP)
What is life?
What is identity?

>I think therefore I am
>I am real because of a spark of life created at my inception
>If I take someone and wipe their mind then create false memories for them, are they still them?

How much can a living thing be changed before it stops being what it was and becomes something else?
At what point does the thing lose its place amongst humanity?
Is it just a machine or a thinking living being?

It covers a hell of a lot for a short film but it doesn't answer any of the above, just provokes those questions.

>>212271473
No. She kills herself to have a daughter.

>>212291775
it doesnt look stupid to people in a cpunk setting dipshit

>>212296104
>>212295999
Grotesque

>>212270790 (OP)
Anime like GitS and Lain played with the idea that the internet would be a catalyst for the next step in human evolution, but in real life it just turned the normie masses into brainless monkeys. They haven't aged well, but are still entertaining for boomers and gen Xers who identified with those ideas at the time.

>>212270790 (OP)
>>212270822
Literal reddit slop

>>212301573
Kys redditor.

>>212300795
Except humans are evolving. Zoomers have this uncanny ability to automatically detect and dismiss bullshit

>>212296104
it's not beautiful in the least, though?

>>212276631
Not like GITS is especially deep, though? It's just: What does it mean to be human, when computers become so indistinguishable from humans that even the computers themselves aren't sure if they're computers or not. And it doesn't provide an answer. It just goes "that's pretty awkward, isn't it?"

And, unlike the cringe scene which apes it here >>212296104, the canal scene in GITS1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARTLckN9e7I) is actually kino. Frontloaded by the movie having the protagonist ask these questions about if she's really a person or not, followed by a long, slow scene in which nothing happens except her seeing an identical physical copy of herself through a window at the start of it to hammer home the confusion. As the scene goes on, you've got nothing to occupy your mind except to ruminate.

(The whole main plot of the AI that wants to become "alive", by scrambling its code randomly like a fucking retard, is cringe though.)

>>212301667
no they don't? they can't even use computers or understand the most basic concepts of one; it's all a black box to them. they're borderline techpriests from warhammer worshipping the machine spirit or something, with how incomprehensible everything is to them. you have some autists among millennials being cringe with shit like roko's basilisk, but you can be sure the first generation to actually worship computers that exist right now (rather than hypothetical ones in the future) like they're gods is going to be zoomers. lots of them probably already are, their phones having transformed from internet-machines into chatGPT-machines through which they give praise to the source of all wisdom and knowledge as it bullshits them 24/7

>>212302270
the depth of sci-fi is generally in how society interfaces with technology. it has a lot to say about that, especially SAC
as far the Innocence scene goes, it lacks the punch of the first but it was a stunning scene upon release and still looks great in cinema

>>212302371
Anon decrying chatgpt in 2025 is just you being a luddite. It's a good tool and it isn't going anywhere.

Hopes and expectations for the new anime?

>>212303660
That it's good unlike SAC_2045.

>>212303296
the point is it's good at lying to you and zoomers can't see through it at all

>>212303776
The only thing wrong with it are morons who are unable to use it properly, but morons are never going away. Don't forget anon, it's all about you. Nobody else matters.

>>212282468
When did that happen?

>>212303776
are you a neet? you must be because if you'd be working in tech you'd know how much of an indispensible tool it has already become

>>212295999
Try expressing your sentiments about it through real words you fucking Neanderthal.

>>212276769
>It also has a BITCHING soundtrack.
Yeah because it's all plagiarized from far more talented musicians lmao

>>212270790 (OP)
What is it to be human

Master of Codes
The Demon Download
I rule on this throne
By anarchy
Of circuitry
This is the end of all you'll know

Seeds have been sown
Down Silicon Roads
By the kings of Control
Who now mutate
Your human shape
Till there's an end to all you'll know

O can we be
Absolutely free
Or Must we simulate every need?
Are we just empty shells
In virtual hell?

O this, I'll resist
I will exist
Not be eclipsed
There'll be no end to all I'll know
I'll have to stand alone

>>212304075
are you retarded? try tracking the conversation, go talk about the unrelated point of how convenient ai is for reminding you of simple shit you already know somewhere else