>>212286148 (OP)That he wouldn't have said anything he would have listened which is what noone else did
>>212286148 (OP)Dumb wop shoulda had a goonbotomy
>>212286148 (OP)In this scene, Tony is finally coming to terms with his daddy issues, but in the worst possible way. The series focuses on his mommy issues, but this is a cover the whole time for his deep seeded issues with his father who pushed him into mob life.
Long as fuck, but this old blog post does a great job of explaining everythign
https://thechaselounge.net/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=2503
He said “I did it” referring to winning a lot of money back
>>212286148 (OP)Post-psychedelic false sense of revelation. Not dissimilar to his attitude after his coma dream/near death experience. It's not important
I thought he said “I did it” and was talking about Christopher
if he is like me, when I tripped one time it was basically
>oh I’m just a piece of shit, and that’s okay because everyone is
but I’m not a violent gangster mob guy so maybe it’s different
>>212286148 (OP)i interpreted it as he realizes that he's never going to change, ever. he's always been a sociopath rotten to the core.
>>212286216>deep seededIts deep seated you fucken ignorant cunt.
>>212286252>Post-psychedelic false sense of revelation. This, I've had a similar experience but realized it was nonsense afterwards.
>>212286148 (OP)Tony realized determinism is correct
>>212286148 (OP)He thinks he understands his neurosis, but he really dosen't. It was a false enlightenment generated by his own troubled mind. You can never trust anybody completely, especially yourself.
>>212286353Everyone who has had one and aged a few years has, myself included
>>212286148 (OP)I'd suck the hell out of James Gandolfini. That man was top masculinity and full fledged alpha bear
The dream episodes were overwhelmingly retarded. The one on the boardwalk was even dumber than the "He drives a Lexus™" (awful line btw, who writes this shit?) Finnerty dream. When I saw those episodes I figured it was because the crew wanted a break or everyone was hung over.
>The dream episodes were overwhelmingly retarded. The one on the boardwalk was even dumber than the "He drives a Lexus™" (awful line btw, who writes this shit?) Finnerty dream. When I saw those episodes I figured it was because the crew wanted a break or everyone was hung over.
>>212287050He’s not wrong. The dream episodes are the biggest fart huffing “this show is le deep!” Bullshit ever.
>>212286148 (OP)I took a big nitrous oxide hit once and thought that I had figured out the meaning of life, 30 seconds later I had forgotten what it was. It meant nothing, that was the point.
>>212287273That feeling itself was the meaning of life. Maybe to your unconscious lizard brain.
>>212287207i feel bad for people like you who view everything through 6 layers of irony and can never authentically enjoy anything. i sincerely suggest you get off this site because it's poisoning your mind.
>>212286148 (OP)He finally understands gravity. It's the same principle as the solar system.
>>212287341It wasn't a feeling, it was a sequences of thought and "logic," but the fact of the matter was that I had just deprived my brain of oxygen to get high
>>212286997>awful line btw, who writes this shit?Canonically it was Tony Soprano who came up with that line because it was his dream sequence (if you pay attention to the show you'll realize he's obsessed with puns)
>Kevin Finnerty>KevIN FINITI>Infiniti>Drives a Lexus (lol)
Nothing. Literally nothing. Just a feeling you get when you do shit like mushrooms. A few days/weeks later, you're back to your previous state.
Think about it this way
For most of the show, we see Tony wrestling with the ideas of morality, wanting to be a “good person” while also being a gangster. Incompatible things because being a mob boss is inherently bad and will mean you do and sanction horrible things that hurt a ton of people
He tries to square this circle by acts of seeming kindness or mercy, like when he helps out artie, or doesn’t kill that pedo coach. But they don’t actually change anything in the long run
By the final season and his killing of Christopher, he accepts he is no longer trying to evolve or change and is happy to fuck over others for personal gain.
In this very episode we see Tony orders asbestos to be dumped in a lake instead of it being safely disposed of because he didn’t want to pay any more percentage to Phil. We also see AJ emotionally distraught over his little crew of friends stomping out the Somali student.
Tony in contrast murders his nephew, and his long run of bad luck gambling wise ends. He sees this as a sign given the peyote high. That he doesn’t have to worry about trying to do good and should be even worse
The same thing as that guy from the avengers and the town. The one who people say got his dick chopped. Now he goes on podcast talking about the meaning of life with a false sense of wisdom and how he felt so good when he was having that NDE. It's literally nothing. Your brain doing shenanigans.
Almost any time I've done LSD I had a moment of false actualization, it doesn't change you as a person 99% of the time you just feel at one with the universe or some shit but it's fake/shallow the second you get sober
>>212288084It’s weird people genuinely believe drugs can give you true “enlightenment”. All they do is stimulate parts of the brain more than they should, or occasionally generate new connections. Neither of these mean you understand anything more
It’s bizarre people can see pleasure and euphoria generating drugs don’t give true self improvement just because they feel good. But fail to see the false understanding created by drugs is the same thing
I have never read anything written by some LAD hitting dude that discoverer true enlightenment that was remotely interesting or real for any sober person because it’s bullshit
>>212288746drugs make you think, and weird people don't like to think
>>212288746>I have never read anything written by some LSD hitting dude that discoverer true enlightenment that was remotely interesting or real for any sober person because it’s bullshitHave you ever listened to something written by some LSD hitting dude?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S22a1CITgj0&list=RDS22a1CITgj0&start_radio=1
>>212286148 (OP)Its literally just him accepting death and realizing that in the grand scheme of things his life doesnt matter
>>212289058Brian Wilson was a genius and I'm sure it helped him be creative but this is a musical piece not any philosophical breakthrough
>>212289058LSD ruined Brian Wilson. He could have made a lot more great music if he didn't turn to drugs. It aggravated his schizoid personality.
>>212289218See, you know the dream episodes are possibly the deepest shit ever put to film by man because you NEVER saw a mafia movie that had a talking fish or a deli with human body parts until this heccin kino
>>212289715But it made the Beatles far better and none of them went mental
>>212286148 (OP)I take it as him realizing that nihilism is the truth. He isn't going to face karma or divine justice for his evil actions like killing Christopher.
>>212289815The Beatles were shit in the first place. Van Morrison composed Astral Weeks and he didn't need a single tab of acid to do so. And that's widely recognised to be the apex of the psychedelic genre. Meanwhile smack killed Tim Buckley and Nico, substance abuse degraded The Band, and speed nearly killed Bob Dylan. Drugs are bad, mmkay?
>>212290049This. It's Tony's picrel moment.
>>212290206>heroin and methYeah I agree these are bad especially abusing psychedelics. But no, the Beatles were not “always shit” nothing from any of those even touches Revolver, Sgt. Peppers, even Magical Mystery Tour
>>212286997Funhouse was good because of the pussy revelation. First time watching it the "ya know i'm working for the government right tone?" caught me off guard. But it made sense after I thought about it because his subconscious had been nagging him about puss being a rat for the longest time
The Test Dream was alright but the revelation that he had to whack his cousin and the impending war with ny didn't hit me as hard
>>212286148 (OP)That he was tripping balls.
>>212287365>DUDE THE MOB SLOP I LIKE HAS TO RESONATE WITH YOU OTHERWISE YOU’RE NOT DEEP AND GENUINE LIKE MEI’m sorry you wear your feelings on your sleeves, and I’m more sorry that some mob slop got you riled up, I sure hope those niggers you idolize don’t come and beat you on the head one day.
He realized dat our muddas are like da bus drivas
>>212291300The Test Dream rules, love that episode
>>212286997You've been filtered harder than plankton in the vicinity of a whale
>>212286353No, you just failed to hold on to the lesson.
>>212291534>slopAnyone who uses this can safely have their opinions regarding anything discarded.
1. Existential Clarity / Acceptance of Chaos
Tony may be realizing that life is meaningless, chaotic, and random, and the only rational response is to embrace it, or at least stop resisting. This is consistent with his earlier existential musings (like "Is all this shit for nothing?"). The peyote opens him to the possibility that there is no grand meaning, and he's okay with that.
2. Freedom Through Amorality
He may have realized that killing Christopher was a good thing for him, and he's at peace with it. The guilt is gone. He "gets" that detachment and self-interest — not moral struggle — is the way to survive. In other words, "I get it: kill or be killed, and don’t feel bad about it."
3. A Spiritual Awakening (Twisted)
Some interpret it as a kind of spiritual moment, like a sick version of enlightenment. Tony feels transcendent joy because he thinks he’s finally above it all, beyond guilt, beyond consequences. It's his "Buddha under the Bodhi tree" moment, but with mob violence instead of meditation.
4. Pure Irony
It’s possible David Chase included it as ironic. Tony thinks he’s had a profound realization, but he hasn’t changed at all. The show then leads toward his downfall. So “I get it!” could be just another delusion: his version of enlightenment is just selfish, empty, and doomed.
>>212286148 (OP)kill christopher then your gambling luck goes up. blood sacrifice. that was the reality.
but I don't think he was talking about that. he talking about something else,
>>212288084it's just neurons firing in a certain way..
the brain is so fucking retarded. it's like when i am filled with this false sense of accomplishment when i do a pseudo-task, which isn't really, objectively productive. but my brain doesn't know any better so it just releases the same fucking neurotransmitter it shoots when you win a fucking medal.
>>212286148 (OP)That our muddahs are bus drivers and we just have to let them go.
Also realising that whacking Chrissy was the right thing to do, even if he had lost any shred of humanity left and damned himself.
To be honest, Tony's insistence on the 25% for the asbestos deal and going to war with NY over it was fucking suicidal and wrecked his Family.
it's the moment he gave up trying to be a better person or wrestle with his many issues and just be a fat fuckin degenerate out purely for himself
>>212289815things like weed/lsd are fine for most people but you give them to people with schizo tendencies it can either onset outright mental illness or exacerbate it if it's already appeared
>>212286148 (OP)He had an epiphany: everything is just spinning balls that rotate around bigger spinning balls. The roulette wheel. The solar system. Christopher.
>>212288032This is how I thought about it too. It's one of the funnier scenes in the show too, it's inherently comedic that his big revelation is that he was right to and should continue being a murdering piece of shit.
>212290423
>tourist trying to hard to fit in
>>212286148 (OP)he didn't get it, but he thought he did
>>212286148 (OP)lots of people have false realizations on psychedelic drugs which is why they MK Ultraed so many boomers
the only thing a person should actually take away from using psychoactive substances is how easily your mind can be manipulated by chemicals, imagery, and sound
>>212296087You dont know what youre talking about.
>>212286148 (OP)>your mom is like a bus that drops you of into this world and then goes its own way, but you try desparately to get back onThe sun flashing mirrors and reminds him of the light house flashing in his coma dream, in which he gets to experience the life he would have had without the mafia and his background. He now gets that all his shit in life is because his of parents, trying to appease them, even after their death, but now is able to live freely. Like most psychedelic insights, though, the positive effects from this experience do not last long or form stable fundamental changes, and soon enough Tony reverts back into his old ways, regardless of remembering some of the insights he retains
>>212286148 (OP)He gets that the world has no moral rules. He'll never be punished for killing Chris or anything else. He's realizing that morals were holding him back from being his true self and he can just let them go and take what he wants. It's a pure Nietzschean moment.
>>212286148 (OP)He accepted that life is totally meaningless and that there's no way he'll ever be happy outside of the fleeting chemical highs of hedonism.
>>212286255I thought he said this too, considering the entire episode was him avoiding his guilt over killing Christopher.
Death just shows the ultimate absurdity of life
>>212288032Tony's mindset was always very feminine-he does what he feels like doing and then rationalizes afterwards. So of course he's vulnerable to false enlightenment and superstition.