Why do women like shows about a time before they had rights?
Do they secretly what do back to a time where men would dominate them?

>>212304304 (OP)
They're into shit like this

>>212304304 (OP)
Same reason guys like movies about middle ages, a time when majority of men didn't have rights in the feudal era. People like self-inserting into the ruling/upper classes, not the lowly serfs

>>212304304 (OP)
yes
>>212304384
no

>>212304384
How many men bitch nonstop about how they were oppressed in the Middle Ages though?

>>212304304 (OP)
no
>>212304384
yes

Lidia Poët is the greatest lawyer and detective of all time and she was real or something.

>>212304484
Not middle ages but the entire population of Ireland bitches nonstop about the time they were """"""""""""""""""""""""oppressed"""""""""""""""""""" under British rule

Men acting like men instead of gay pussies, chivalry / gentlemanly culture, the clothes look amazing, everything has an air of romance / fairytale quality to it. Plus the restrictions on women can make things more tense and interesting with relationships with power imbalances or across social classes. Liking shows like that doesn’t mean you want to literally live back then, but there are aspects of it that are really appealing

Also they strung up and burned fags to death back then and that’s super based <—- peep a lil fact

>>212304583
they took me 'tatos

>>212304583
do they romanticize that time period though?

>>212304629
>Liking shows like that doesn’t mean you want to literally live back then
I do
>>212304384
>hen majority of men didn't have rights in the feudal era.
my family were nobles

>>212304304 (OP)
it's the period when male romance really came into fashion with lots of nobles who have nothing to do but dress up in fancy clothes and woo each other

>>212304629
the men were specifically starting to act more feminine than in earlier periods

>>212304673
>my family were nobles
What a coincidence, mine too.

>>212304702
Do you have a sister I can marry?

>>212304384
Everyone had rights and obligations in the western euro serf system. Peasant's tied to the land couldn't be forced to serve in armies and typically only had to commit 1/3rd of their working days to their lord. Free men communities had to provide levies and feudal lords were obligated to go to war against brigands and the like for their communities. Mudcore feudalism only existed as you approached asia

>>212304673
>>212304702
nobles in name only or also rich? asking for a friend haha

>>212304629
>Men acting like men instead of gay pussies, chivalry / gentlemanly culture
Chivalry was the gayest shit ever. Some dude literally simping for a married woman lmao, chivalric legends are proto-cuckshit originating from degenerate Frenchies.

>>212304304 (OP)
I am a man, and I like The Gilded Age.

>>212304691
>the men were specifically starting to act more feminine than in earlier periods
It only looks that way because we have masculine theater instead of actual masculinity

>>212304760
I bet you think watching sports ball while eating bacon in your man cave is what masculinity is

>>212304673
I am the re-incarnated soul of Charlemagne. My astrologist told me so.

>>212304769
Same, I've seen every episode

>>212304811
Charlemagne is in Heaven with Jesus

>>212304808
Definitely more masculine than smelling roses and writing French poems about how your heart aches when you think about some married hag.

>>212304673
Well, it depends on your sex, but you certainly had to get luckier and work harder to live a comfortable life. But I think people conflate social and technological change too much, it’s possible to have a culture that promotes the values these eras did and have computers and shit at the same time. I think a lot of progressive type people (read: FAGS) like to pretend their ideology is inherently tied to central heating and indoor plumbing, when really it was the work of people from history who were built stronger that made everything today possible. There is a lot to be said for more stringent social rules and a greater sense of personal duty, and that’s another reason these shows have such a romantic quality to them, everyone’s lives were wrapped up in these big noble ideas that are just shat on and called stupid in todays boring fucking world

>>212304843
There's a dress that Mrs. Russell wears in S1 or S2 alone at a dinner with her husband, and it made her tits look fantastic.

>>212304772
no you're just in denial about liking dandy men. sorry if i'm the first to tell you about this

>>212304760
One reason I love medieval culture is chivalry. I felt like the balance between men and woman was figured out. Men were in charge, but women were respected and honoured and men saw it as a duty to protect them since they didn’t view them as responsible agents in their own right. Chivalry goes beyond incel tier black and white modern views on sex, it is both chud and simp in one and it’s beautiful IMO

>>212304879
And you can still do that as long as you will challenge someone to a duel if they insult you or your family's honor

>>212304953
lol i bet you supported mens metal health month

>>212304975
>if they insult you or your family's honor
or that married woman's honor, don't forget her. imagine dying for someone else's wife kek.

>>212304304 (OP)
They wish they could dress like princesses, but are too busy conforming to fashion to do so.

>>212304888
>conflating social progress with technological progress
Reddit loves to do this.

>>212304975
>duel
kek a real man just bashes their head in when they are asleep and doesn't have to fear any repercussion because he got his own warband soldiers that control the territory. "duels" are the feminine version of warfare with strict rules and lots of ceremony. honor is a feminine concept too btw. pure power is the primal fountain of masculinity from which everything else is derived

>>212305024
>or that married woman's honor,
no that would be cringe and if her husband was any kind of a real man he would challenge you to a duel
And for the recond going after a married woman would have been seen as dishonorable

>>212305085
>kek a real man just bashes their head in when they are asleep
and when would this have been socially acceptable

The love letters written between Abelard and Heloise are some of the most beautiful and romantic correspondences of all time, if you genuinely cannot imagine why women wouldn't romanticise that you're just dumb.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P1KaC4weBo

>>212305011
i didn't even know it's a thing. i have to remember 12 months already. i'm not gonna memorize more.

BUT i do support in general. why shouldn't a support something that benefits me by proxy? men more than women are social creatures and we need each other for mental support.

>>212305098
>no that would be cringe
so chivalric romances are cringe, glad we agree on that.

>>212305203
lol mental health is fake and gay
just stop acting like a whinny faggot

>>212305140
it doesn't matter because as long as you aren't a tyrant you decide what is socially acceptable because you are the leader of an autonomous tribe

someone is a threat to you and your pals? you eliminate them. maybe you make it a public thing to showcase your power but a duel is the admittance that you're bound by the rules of society

>>212304673
>>212304702
Amusingly, if you track back any random European's ancestors back to say a thousand years ago you will find that most of their ancestors at that time will be some sort of nobility or landed gentry. Those types had more children who survived childhood than the lower classes. The very poorest had birth rates below replacement level. That resulted in Europe having a multi-century process of of the upper clases demographically replacing the lower ones.

>>212305098
>And for the recond going after a married woman would have been seen as dishonorable
Romancing married women was literally what Chivalric romances were all about, anon. See Lancelot and Guinevere

>>212305262
go to any bar and listen to what the older men have to say

>>212305264
no it means you are a man of honor
a concept that appears to be foreign to you

>>212305283
its a tragic story
nobody thought it was acceptable
>>212305296
Why would I want to listen to some drunken losers bitch about their problems

>>212305165
>wouldn't
*would, sorry

>>212305310
ok you know what i agree with you. got a bit carried away

>>212305379
>>Why would I want to listen to some drunken losers bitch about their problems
because people like you tend to become one of them. unironically

>>212305379
>nobody thought it was acceptable
That's what chivalric romances were about. Forbidden love between a noble knight and a married lady.

>>212305264
>it doesn't matter because as long as you aren't a tyrant you decide what is socially acceptable because you are the leader of an autonomous tribe

That's not how it worked in europe though.The roman writers recorded that tribes were lose confederations of strong men supported by an extensive part time warrior caste that made up a huge chunk of the population.If you could afford a sword and shield you got to vote on tribal affairs. It made diplomacy very difficult for the romans as even if one king/lord/council made a deal, the town down the road would vote to do their own thing. This continues into early middle ages with the shire moot system and the Fyrd levies and probably extended back to the paleolithic.

>>212305408
Do you think dueling was legal in the 50s?

>>212305423
>Forbidden
There is the key word

>>212305486
Love is the keyer word

>>212304384
>People like self-inserting into the ruling/upper classes, not the lowly serfs
Men don't self-insert. They just watch the fucking show.
Women watch Gilded Age and go "omg it's literally me" when in reality you probably would have been scrubbing shit off a toilet in that time.

>>212305534
And that is why it is tragic she is already married

>>212305459
fair enough thanks for the clarification. i got a bit carried away here because i do think that duels are a somewhat feminine form of combat but i made the error of too much black-and-white shitposting

>>212305464
not sure how this relates to mental health

>>212305572
>Men don't self-insert.
Not sure about that one chief.

>>212305649
Yeah that's what chivalric romances are.

>>212305684
they are modern men with modern values

>>212305669
>i do think that duels are a somewhat feminine form of combat
yeah, that's why the state banned it. because it's too feminine. litigation is much more masculine.

>>212305763
Yes and they would have been considered dishonorable

>>212304384
This.
/Thread

>>212305809
Yeah but that's what chivalric romances were.

>>212304304 (OP)
Incel general?

>>212305850
Then what is your point?

>>212305764
dude if you think you're going to be fine without any mental support network of some sort then whatever. but the world is full of "drunken losers" who bitch about their problems because no one else will listen and they really want to talk about them

i don't need any lame parades but if someone says "hey this month is men's mental health month" i'm like "ok nice"

>>212305669
Its honestly pretty neat, and partially why the western euros could pump out massive armies to compete with the romans. Every guy with a few sheep or cattle could buy a spare son some cheap equipment and it allowed them to get numbers up in the tens of thousands when they went to war. The more rigid caste structure of the east that the greeks and persians had meant that once the professional armies were broken the war was done and rome won. Western Euros could get a huge percentage of the population to march off to war for loot and fame which allowed them to compete with the roman recruitment system.

>>212305880
Just making a point about chivalric romances being French degeneracy.

>>212305782
dressing up and performing a ceremony at a later date is kinda feminine. the more masculine way would be to resolve it right here and now. in an honorably way ok sure but not without all the rituals

>>212305934
>but not without all the rituals
but without*

>>212305934
The ritualized combat evolved out of the necessity of labor to survive. Your two local knights cripple each other in a brawl and it turns into a batch of revenge killings? Now your town is defenseless and the brigands living in the woods rape and eat you. Two farmers get in a spat that escalates? Now a whole bunch of families starve to death over the winter.

>>212305889
Why would you want to talk about your problems instead of fixing them?

>>212305934
lack of self-control isn't masculine, that's feminine

>>212305911
chivalric romances were not only about married women

>>212304304 (OP)
I really like this show.

The season three has some interesting storylines going on. I wish that the seasons were a bit longer. The setting and costumes are amazing, Marie on that yellow/lime dress, fucking hell 10/10. Loving this very much right now.

Regards, man in his 30's, quite straight.

>>212306137
Its a good show but I am not going to pretend its not aimed at women

>>212304304 (OP)

There´s never been such a time. Women have always been politically influential ever since ancient Rome. Those that had the status to do so anyways, those that are powerful are powerful on every age and those that are powerless have been powerless on every age. The real issue is social class. Always has been.

In fact, in many non christian cultures women had been priestess, sorceress and overall guardians of knowledge, tradition and wisdom. Which is way Christianism branded them witches.

The empowerment movements are usually more about mass manipulation and generating social unrest to benefit a few people at the top. History has proven most revolutions are like that.

Or, if you don´t like that analysis we could just say it´s because of the clothes.

>>212306032
some things can't be fixed. it's just good to know that someone cares and allows you to vent from time to time

>>212306069
Women in chivalric/courtly romances were almost always married, man. Sir Lancelot and Queen Guinevere is the most famous example obviously but then you have Petrarch and Laura,

>Poets adopted the terminology of feudalism, declaring themselves the vassal of the lady. The troubadour's model of the ideal lady was the wife of his employer or lord, a lady of higher status, usually the rich and powerful female head of the castle. When her husband was away on Crusade or elsewhere she dominated the household and cultural affairs; sometimes this was the case even when the husband was at home. The poet gave voice to the aspirations of the courtier class, for only those who were noble could engage in courtly love.

>>212306295
If you bitch about your problems to other men they will not respect you

>>212306359
That is because you need a tragic part to make it a good story
See Romeo and Juliet
She wasnt married
In real life though most men would go after single women

>>212306185
>I am not going to pretend its not aimed at women
It's aimed for people who like period dramas; romance, beautiful settings, costumes and chivalric manners and social hierarchy. Not a female thing. Though, certainly women tend to be more interested in such things in general, but still. I'd argue that if you showed The Gilded Age to 10,000 random dudes, at least 80 % would enjoy it.

>>212306433
>See Romeo and Juliet
not a courtly romance. juliet was not in a position of power over romeo

>>212304304 (OP)
Wage slavery isn't that desirable to some women

>>212306366
respect isn't earned by what you say but by what you do. you may laugh at me but i respect e.g. Jordan Peterson despite him being a hysterical and batshit insane crybaby sometimes. simply because he cares and puts that care into action through his online lectures and books. although i didn't read any book of him yet

he can sound like a frog and devolve into some weird rants about characters from the muppet show but as long as he is out there and genuinely trying to do good then i don't mind... too much. it's not easy to find real human beans among all these reptilians nowadays

>>212306433
Rationally, assuming actual infidelity is off the table, the best approach is to always court multiple back-up partners, in case your current one doesn't work out for whatever reason (because of death, let's say). Which makes equal sense for both men and women, probably more important for women since they rely more upon their man. So you'd expect that in every 'real life' situation, everyone's always courting multiple potential partners, no matter their social situation, just in case.

Which is why that chick with a boyfriend will keep flirting with you even though she has no intention of going further with it, unless her man suddenly disappears for whatever reason. Like if you kill him.

>>212306640
boyfriend is not a husband

>>212306574
It cracks me up how many women wanted independence until their bosses got shitty with them or they had to work 50 hour weeks with shit benefits.

When my wife got a major promotion, it just made more sense for me to stay home with the kids instead of paying for childcare and my wife was confused why I was so excited.

And for all the moms out there that make child raising or being a housewife out to be some hellish existence, this shit is a fucking DREAM. Sure the kids can be a pain in the ass, but even my worst day at home is better than some of the best days working in construction or being a code monkey.

>>212304583
We were brutally oppressed though you faggot

>>212306637
>i respect e.g. Jordan Peterson
would you go to war with him?

>>212306908
You were burning women for being faerie changelings til the 1880s. That is why you were oppressed

>>212307000
yeah because i'm 100% sure that he is able to be tough when necessary and won't send me into a meatgrinder if it's at all avoidable. honestly i would probably even vote him if i could. i'm not an us citizen btw

>>212307179
what if he broke down on the battlefield?

>>212304769
>African-American upper class
The fuck?

>>212308326
tell me of a man who wouldn't

>>212308652
most dont

>>212308926
lol

>>212304304 (OP)
They want their rapecake but in a way that communicates they're really in charge

>>212308955
My dad and both of my grandfathers never did

>>212309074
cool

>>212305572
>Men don't self-insert
I don't care if what's next in your post is the meaning of life I'm not going to read past that retardation. Now I understand posters that fill up the character limit with HAHAHAHAAAA!

>>212309089
I dont know where you are getting the most men break down on the battlefield from

>>212309117
sorry i was trying to imply that i don't think there are many men who would *never* break down under *any* circumstance. and if there were such men i would be very afraid of them

>>212309152
OK and would you acknowledge that the more a man can take without breaking down the stronger he is

>>212309262
depends on the situation. case by case. no really. honestly i think it's fair if you don't trust someone who breaks down on public tv not to break down in other maybe more stressful situations. although i do have to say that crying and looking ugly is far from a "real" breakdown in my opinion

but personally i see some seemingly unbreakable determination in him and since i borrowed some of it i'm just going to assume it's real

>>212304304 (OP)
Because they have beautiful costumes and are about relationship drama which women love

>>212304384
Cope

>>212304384
Fucking serfs had more protection & worked less than people do now

>>212305098
You are a sissy, a cuck, a simp and I bet you prep bulls, go back to sucking your wife's boyfriends dick niggerboi

>>212305310
Honor is for cuckolds, real men do whatever the fuck they want.

>>212311333
I am a cuck because I am saying if a man goes after your wife you should challenge him to a duel?
Do you just throw out buzzwords you don't understand?

>>212311411
Chivalry is cuckoldry, honor is cuckoldry, philosophy is cuckoldry, even civilization is cuckoldry, we should go back to the Neolithic ages and just kill and rape each other non stop, thinking about things is cuckoldry, real men such as myself just tape and kill anything that moves.

>>212308462
Persian.

>>212311492
this is a tranny rage post

>>212304769
so what unbearable degeneracy is the brittish man with suspiciously good teeth gonna be revealed next sunday?

>>212311533
The only reason subhuman roonsters exist is because of your cuckold ideologies like empathy, society and respect for laws and each other, if those didn't exist subhuman nigger faggot jigaboo roonies would get curb stomped and mutilated as they deserve. You support cuckoldry and trannies

>>212304304 (OP)
I want to say it's comparing the status quo of the era to modern times in an attempt to rationalize their personal grievances as part of a timeless struggle for autonomy and self-fulfillment... But it's probably the fashion.

>>212311567
Probably something something he's gay and looking for a beard.

Who is the most based character in the show?

>>212312588
her being pro-blacks is just too fantasy and out of character to me.

>>212312588
I don't have a pic, but the "French" chef in the Russell house.
>My wife is dead :)

>>212312631
Her family probably would have been abolitionists in the real world

There may not be any strong and particularly individually interesting characters, but I don’t mind it quite a nice easy going plot. Prefer it over Downton Abbey which has one good series and then goes downhill. Both are Tory wank by a old fat tory wanker but it’s fairly easy watching.

>>212309074
would they tell you if they did?

>>212314663
Well that would at least mean they knew it was shameful

>>212305572
>Men don't self-insert
delusional or retarded, place your bets folks