I'm supposed to believe Don Draper is willing to cheat on January Jones for this?

>>212336021 (OP)
he cheated because he was depressed and self-destructive, if it was only about beauty he would have never been unloyal to his bombshell wife

>>212336234
he wanted her to run away with him and start a new life somewhere else

>>212336264
sounds like something a depressed and self-destructive man would want to do

>>212336021 (OP)

>>212336021 (OP)
see what broke up hugh grant and liz hurley.
you don't cheat on someone because the next thing is hotter, you cheat because you're bored, new is exciting and/or your wife is a cunt.
And January Jones comes off as a massive cunt

>>212336301
Betty is literally perfect.
>>212336234
>>212336297
>>212336298
Oh true.

>>212336021 (OP)
His bitch wife was annoying and he was depressed enough with his vain attempts at connecting with someone

>>212336264
mere escapism, it was never gonna happen. Him sleeping around was always about excitement and/or forgetting all about his problems for a while

>>212336383
I got bored by the show pretty early on and dropped it. What exactly are his problems? Is he at risk of his real identity being revealed or something?

>>212336425
>What exactly are his problems?
No love shown in childhood so he has a poor foundation for how relationships should be.
>Is he at risk of his real identity being revealed or something?
Yes.

>>212336264
and she looked at him like he was retarded when he asked her to leave town with him. He wasn't making sense because he was a drunk and emotional wreck.

>>212336021 (OP)
every role this woman plays is of an annoying cunt that is enabled by her peers. I hate this archetype

>>212336425
Micahel Wiener appears to have not ever really figured out what he wanted to say about Don.
the show is at its best during seasons 3-5, when its directly mocking sixties culture. you're not the only one who found 1-2 tedious, as they are basically Wiener trying to make Don himself interesting and failing. then 6-7 are him failing to reach meaningful conclusions about most of the characters.

>>212336425
>Is he at risk of his real identity being revealed or something?
no, this is basically never really raised again after season 1-2 iirc. spoiler: the owner of the company doesn't actually care if he is really who he presented himself to be. he's good at the job BECAUSE he is fake.

>>212336328
>Betty is literally perfect
No she's a massive cunt with an ugly mole that got of on cock teasing that dumbass kid. The only redeeming thing about her is when is offered to help rape sally's friend but that was all talk

>>212336548
>No she's a massive cunt
She makes Don food, she's given him two children whom she tends to while Don is out adultering with the artist junkie. She loves him and wants him dearly. Were you a kid that got cockteased by an older woman once upon a time? Is this a personal vendetta? We're anonymous, anon. Pray tell.

>>212336503
Pete and Roger are the main reasons to watch from 6 onward

>>212336503
>>212336616
Isn't it clear the whole thing is
>The good old days were made up of people just as lost as anybody else
Don Draper, handsome, successful, ostensible family man, is just as broken and beat up inside as anyone else. I don't think I'm smart for pointing that out or anything but I don't think it was rocket science to figure that out.

>>212336503
>then 6-7 are him failing to reach meaningful conclusions about most of the characters.
that's the main difference between the sopranos and mad men and the other shows in terms of character study
mad men and the sopranos accept the idea that people don't change and don't 'reach meaningful conclusions' on their own. even roger's false sense of truth due to psychedelics usage is ridiculed because that's true to life. people don't have massive self inflicted epiphanies, don't radically transform their lives out of the blue or through 'character arcs' or other nonsense sold in previous narration. that's part of the deal rather than a failure in the writing

>>212336021 (OP)
So no one has rewatched Mad Men since understanding zog?

>>212336914
I'm rewatching it for the first time in a decade maybe. Midge's boyfriend is one pretentious mother fucker. Don completely owns him. Another one of those things you wouldn't see on TV nowadays.

>>212336021 (OP)
You wouldn't get it

>>212336953
the scene where the druggies panic because of the police and Don just nonchalantly steps outside was kino

>>212336717
but by referencing the Sopranos you are admitting that static arcs CAN be done well, and Weiner was around for the end of that show so ought to have planned MM around something.

and ideally you would do a number of seasons that reflects the amount of dramatic ground you have to cover, not do 7 seasons just because.

>>212336953
their conversation was essentially
>i reject the system
>lmao you're not part of the system

>>212337053
It really lays out that hippie culture was kind of a farce.
>So, if you had a job, what would you do?
>Broadway may be the birthplace of mediocrity, but I think it's conceived here (in reference to a little art cafe/bar)
I remember later on Midge ends up being pimped out by her boyfriend. It's good stuff.

>>212336613
>whom she tends

Best dialogue ever written.

>>212337149
Yes.

>>212337086
He did 7 seasons so he could extend the show starting with Don's peak in the 60s to the cultural shifts in the 70s. Don starts out as a creative self made star, and ends up an antiquated cog in a corporate machine

>>212336683
>I don't think it was rocket science to figure that out.
that's the whole problem. there are no more layers. its incredible obvious even from the title sequence of the show and nothing much about that theme is escalated over the course of 7 seasons.

it's amazing how much the show introduces then drops: Ginsburg, Pete committing a rape, the guy who leaves to join the Hari Krishnas. the show doesn't ultimately even make a meta-point, like if it implied Don is searching for meaning by doing adverts when he should be an artist. Sally is honestly the only character who even comes to a proper realization about something in the final season.

>>212337190
I really wish I could be as witty irl as even the most retarded character in this show

>>212337219
he's too successful and rich for his decline to register as drama. plus the final scene of the show is him having an idea that will get him back in.

it doesn't ever really even critique whether advertizing is what he should be doing.

>>212337122
there's a cut scene where he pitches "by the waters of babylon" to the jews and they pass.

>>212337199
She has some motherly moments but I think they make it pretty obvious she gets little fulfillment out of being mother. Carla does most the childcare and when she's gone, they're usually watching TV or sent to their rooms.

>>212337122
>>212337053
>>212336953
can you link a video of this bit or provide the episode? I've forgotten it.

>>212336021 (OP)
>>212336234
>>212336264
Kill yourself

>>212337122
"You invent the lie" wasn't a condemnation of hippy culture. don being able to just walk outside while the police are raiding is also another lie, as he's a deserter. his life is built on lies.

>>212337222
Nice trips. I agree. I think it's rather middling television as I'm rewatching it, but the sets, makeup, and actors are entertaining enough. I remember just enough about the show to know that yeah, the writers weren't smart enough or just weren't willing to suggest that Don, for however much he despises his life, maybe he would have been happy doing something else. You might say, "well it's the 60s, they didn't know there could be anything else," but the show doesn't do that either. Don is trapped in his cycle of unhappiness but the show never floats the idea that his choice of employment is part of the problem.
>>212337330
Nono not the invent the lie episode. Way before that. Besides, I'd wager a lot of money Don shoving it up their ass with
>There is no lie. The universe is indifferent
is definitely a condemnation. Not one in favor of Don, Don is obviously very unhappy. But one hypocrite seeing another is very satisfying. Perhaps you remember, but hippie culture was still looked back upon fondly up until the late 2000s. All it really was was a bunch of people who didn't want to work.

>>212337086
>but by referencing the Sopranos you are admitting that static arcs CAN be done well
none of the 'character development' in the Sopranos was better than in Mad Men. Mad Men is the better character study and it's not even a contest

images you can hear

>>212337322
here's a couple of bits
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ssa31hmBqVQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4FC1VU_uO4

>>212336021 (OP)
He banged that nasty waitress once. Imposter syndrome and self esteem issues (i have the same)

>>212337269
Decline doesn't have to be monetary. Both his marriages have failed, his coworkers have all moved on, he hates his job, the only connection to his life as Dick just ditched him without a word, and at his lowest point, instead of turning his life around, he takes the place that could lead to self improvement and turns it into an advertisement.

>>212337437
>>There is no lie. The universe is indifferent
>t. man who's entire life is a lie

Talking about lies to don is like a fish talking about water.

>>212337588
Yes I mentioned as much in my post. Don is a very unhappy man. He's a liar, a cheat, a deserter, an imposter. But I respect that guy more than the guy who sits around, doesn't go to work, and says such navel gazing bullshit as
>You invent the lie
and snipes Broadway musicals while attending down under clubs where a woman talks about Castro fucking her in a dream. C'mon man. The boyfriend character is a real loser.

>>212337287
Really? I have never seen a single deleted scene from the show.

>>212336021 (OP)
Jewish writers think he'd be tempted by that jewess.

>>212336328
betty has probably never sucked dick

>>212337722
Unironically a good point. I feel that way about Maggie from Trudy Tective season 1.

>>212337661
Sounds like you just fell for the whole heart/brain cliche about how real intelligence is just becoming a mindless cog in the system.

>>212337481
There are no characters in an advertisement
Kill yourself
>>212337529
Kill yourself Jew
>>212337539
Kill yourself

>>212336021 (OP)
I think Don left Betty just in time.

>>212337773
and the anti-smoking schizo arrives.

>>212337578
Its his art and making art is the only thing that makes him happy in the least. do you think he'd be happier as an ascetic?

>>212337759
I can say with certainty I have not. I just have more respect for someone who does something with their life other than bitch about people richer than them.

>>212337758
You'd best have steel in your hand with words like that partner

>>212337578
I got all that. it just didn't need to take seven seasons.

>>212337790
>morality is INSANE
Every time with you Jews
Kill yourself
>>212337811
Propaganda is the furthest possible thing from art

How come Don didn't get divorce raped twice? Did that not happen back then?

>>212337818
it's been a while but I'm also pretty sure that the boyfriend suffered Don's presence only because he too wanted some of his money

>>212337539
ty, and ignore the whackjob

Imagine fumbling this.

>>212337835
It's subtle but I do think it's there. Marty blows up his marriage the first time over blowjobs, and the second time over anal. The only reason men get stupid about sex is because they're not getting what they want at home. After two kids, sure, Maggie probably doesn't feel like getting on her knees anymore, let alone anal in her late 30s/early 40s.

>>212337854
No its not. Lots of art seeks to move the thoughts those who experience it. Is that not propagandist?

>>212337858
He did but he was making like 500 000 a year which was all the money in the world back then

>>212337818
except the hippie was "doing things" with his life. he just wasn't making huge amounts of money off being a professional liar. the entire point of their interactions is how there's no money in honesty.

>Stop smoking so much, it's a sign of weakness!
Was he right, /tv/ros?

>>212337919
When youre right, youre right. Maggie doesnt suck dick any more, but thats a tragedy of glories gone past. Betty never sucked dick period and thats worse in my eyes.

>>212337976
theres a line when it crosses from a manly vice, to an obvious crutch for some deficit of character

>>212337976
yeah, a grown man get all nervous because it's been a couple of hours since he's sucked on a fag is beyond pathetic

>>212337960
Part of "doing things" with his life later in the show is trying to sell an evening with Midge to Don. That kind of honesty? The honesty of a guy reading the newspaper on stage at an underground night club and passing it off as poetry? The honesty of a woman dreaming she had sex with Castro and feeling the need to tell people about it? There's no artistry worth admiring in that sort of honesty. There's a middleground, and I believe part of that middleground is, again, not bitching about people richer than you.

Put it this way man, would you EVER catch yourself dead saying
>You invent the lie
to someone? It's such a faggy, loser thing to say man. I don't know how you're not getting it. I can't stress enough, I don't envy Don. I respect him more than a jobless, "money is the root of all evil" navel gazing, hair dressing stick in the mud.

>>212337976
>all that I got from that story was that Hitler didn’t smoke and I do
Ugh this show is so perfect, what other show can you just remember page after page of dialogue.

>>212337539
>>212337878
actually embodies why I found the show underwhelming. they have to make Don a Randian existentialist with no beliefs so that he can out-edge the hippies. but that rationale is more suited to a burnout than their goal of wanting to start a theatre. it feels too "and then everybody clapped".

>>212338119
My gfs father couldn't go 5 minutes without a cigarette, I looked down on him for it.

>>212338124
Youre right, faith without works is a dead thing. Praxis is what matters.

>>212338124
the show has to make sure Don only interacts with bums because if he ever met someone who had made originality pay the contrast would expose him as a massive hack immediately.

>>212338124
>doooood hes gay man that's gay gay gay hes such a faggy loser gaaaaaay

so you have nothing to actually say, is what you're trying to avoid admitting. also
>trying to sell an evening with Midge to Don
no idea what you're talking about here. the character doesn't come back.

>>212338134
show pathologically avoided anything that could be a potent critique of capital.

>>212336021 (OP)
The entire show was a jew circlejerk, and the first season especially.

>>212338261
while masquerading as it. the show is basically dead once weiner admits he has no problem with marketing as a profession

>>212338233
No I was very clear anon. If it helps, just remove the "faggy" part. I apologize if you're gay and I struck a nerve. I was using "faggy" like we used to, where it meant "stupid" or "annoying".
>no idea what you're talking about here. the character doesn't come back.
It's much later, but yes they return for the last time.
>>212338223
That's agreeable. I don't think the show ever bothers including someone smarter than Don. Sopranos wasn't afraid of that at all and was better for it.

>>212338261
I was going to argue against this, but you’re right. The show never criticizes the system itself, only the rich white non-Jewish men it claims were running the show at the time.

>>212338300
exactly. it pretends to be a social critique, but its just memberberries in the end.

> the company employs accounts people to basically just schmooze clients occasionally, the rest of the time they fuck around in the office

Was this true?

>>212336021 (OP)
>Don Draper
>he doesnt know

>>212336021 (OP)
I guess he wanted to have sex with the jew because detachment is healthier.

>>212338448
The schmoozer class has always existed and they are unironically why the world fucking blows

>>212338212
>James 2:17
Too based. I'm going to go do something productive now anon. Thank you for reminding me.

>>212338442
Oh there’s definitely social critique, but it’s all very politically correct and safe.

>>212338349
if the hippies scenes >>212337539 had been in the Sopranos, they would be followed by a Melfi therapy session that went
>why do you go out of your way to hang out with people you have nothing in common with?
>I dunno, to make myself feel better by comparison I guess.

then Melfi would hurriedly invent a different reason so as to avoid having to admit to herself that Tony is insecure, and Tony would make an annoyed face because he actually wanted her to point it out so he could self-righteously throw a tantrum denying it.

>>212338544
respect. grill some meat in honor of those that died for us.

>>212338627
yeah like gender and race relations shit that has been social bedrock gestalt for 30 years by the time the show came out.

>>212338660
anons.........is all television shit?

>>212338754
Youre ready
>>>/lit/

>>212338448
The redpill is that the entire world runs on personal relationships. People do business with people they like, and that’s that.

>>212338349
you could've just said yes.

the goal, in retrospect, was clearly just to paint counter culture as, how you put it, "gay." just a bunch of like faggy gay losers maaan. apparently it worked on you, as you missed how the point the theater bits was that they were all true, but said truth was muddled in some manner. the reality of the greatest day in two people's lives hidden behind cold newsprint, the truth about the dream undermined by her getting her tits out, and the genuine performance of waters of babylon undermined by how the song is fictional, and that's affects don there, but he doesn't understand why.

>>212338844
Yeah i hate that I was brought up with the concept of fairness drilled into me, because nobody else does it, it's bullshit

>>212338917
They should have taught us, if they even understood, that by far the most important thing in life is Who You Know. I learned this the hard way in academia, but I imagine it’s identical in business and politics. If you know the right people—if the right people like you—the sky is the limit.

If you know the wrong people you’re going fucking nowhere.

>>212336021 (OP)
I absolutely despise negroes and can't even stand hearing them, but I cheated on my perfect gf with a shortstack negress for a couple of weeks. The smell of her "beauty" products was intoxicatingly disgusting and her lack of general knowledge infuriating, but I still couldn't stop fucking her, it got to the point where she said she'd file a rape complaint.
Protip: their stench takes at least two days to wash off your hands and body, so be careful.

>>212336021 (OP)
Don is the proto irony poisoned man. Everything about his reality is fake either directly through his actions or indirectly through his observations and opinions of American culture. The show is a constant barrage of self destructive existential crisis with Don “living like there’s no tomorrow…because there isn’t one” punctuated by flashes of sincerity and something he thinks might be a genuine experience only for him to either sabotage it somehow or realize it’s the same bullshit with a different coat of paint like everything else.

If nothing matters and everything is fleeting or fake then January’s pussy ain’t shit.

>>212339000
they want to be the only ones who know that

>>212338349
>I don't think the show ever bothers including someone smarter than Don.
Ginsberg shows up Don, despite being mentally insane. Pete has occasional flashes of insight that Don never has, though I wouldn't exactly call him smarter

>child thinks cheating is about trading up because you're seduced by outward appearances rather than just having an irresistible urge to FUCK

>>212338873
>how you put it, "gay." just a bunch of like faggy gay losers maaan
Yes.
>the reality of the greatest day in two people's lives hidden behind cold newsprint
The people had the greatest day of their life whether or not it's written or print, or read by someone in an underground club. It wasn't worth sharing, the people got married just fine on their own. You're sticking up for the wrong people, I assure you.
>the truth about the dream undermined by her getting her tits out
The truth of being fucked by Castro in a dream? That wasn't worth sharing, it's certainly not art, and it's definitely not worth admiring.
>the genuine performance of waters of babylon undermined by how the song is fictional, and that's affects don there, but he doesn't understand why.
Those performers are nothing like the other people. They had a craft they were willing to put on display. I know you're smart enough to see what I'm saying, and we see more eye to eye than you think. I hope you have a good day anon I need to sleep.
>>212339175
There's also Barrett I think.
>You wanna step out, you go to a whore
Was a good bit/episode. Barrett using Don to get his comedy off the ground, and then spitting in his face for sleeping with his wife. There's also waaay later this bit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP5Cd8i6Cb4

>>212339057
>Don is the proto irony poisoned man
it's funny how people always quote his "I don't think about you at all" comeback when in that scene Don was coping hard, behind his wit and charisma there's just a really pitiable man

>>212338349
Dons underlings are smarter than him all the time but he abuses his father-figure position of authority to browbeat them into submission and steal their ideas.

>Be closet fudge packer
>Get written off the show
Did he deserve it?

>>212338133
Extremely Jewish
Kill yourself
>>212339057
"He" is just a Jew

>>212339332
He wanted too much money iirc

>>212339238
what you're trying to say is you should never experiment. just do whats safe all the time. never put yourself out there. whether you realize it or not.

you don't belong here. you belong on reddit.

>>212336021 (OP)
This actually looks like a guy in drag but actors are faggots so makes sense

>>212336021 (OP)
AWOOGA

>>212336021 (OP)
He has a jewess fetish

>>212339239
It’s a gangster ass comeback for sure but it’s a what the man in the costume playing a character says. Dick Whitman’s soul was bruised by that comment. Don Draper is too cool to care.

The point is the entire Don Draper character is a massive existential cope.

>>212339238
Good call on Utz Man, I knew there was another character who properly showed Don up but couldn't remember who it was.
Barrett gets a twofer as well, since he's almost entirely responsible for making Betty actually think about Don.

>WAAAA I HAVE A BIG DICK AND I'M HANDSOME AND WOMEN LOVE ME LIFE IS SO HARD FOR ME PLEASE FEEL SORRY FOR MEEEEEEEEE
Where have I seen this one before?

>>212339332
>Sal's wife became frustrated by Sal's refusal to have sex with her
madonna

>>212336332
This.
He knew his relationship with his wife was built on a lie and he knew absent the lie she would never have stayed with him (this is proven true in the later seasons when Betty realizes what's going on).
Every night he slept with his wife felt like sleeping next to an atomic bomb that could go off at any time; one he found annoying and superificial which is why he stepped out of his marriage so much.
None of this "excuses" his behavior to be clear; he made the choices he made and no one was responsible for how shit ended up besides himself.
But ultimately to OP's question its not surprising at all he decided to fuck some random Jewish department store owner's daughter just like it isn't surprising he fucked the art hoe in queens or the comedian's wife. ln every case he felt like he could be more honest and relaxed around complete strangers then he could around his wife because the truth was he COULD.
That was the life he had built for himself. That was the sort of marriage he had.

>>212339904
Based and pays attentionpilled.

Mad men is by far the smartest, most /lit/ show ever produced and it’s very existence is a miracle

>>212337906
That scene was nuts

>>212337906
What did they meeeeeean by this?

>>212339332
I really liked this guy. Wish he was around for longer

Never liked Don.

>>212337330
lt was condemnation of both; in the early seasons of mad men the writers were actually sophisticated enough to do something like that.
Don is emblamatic of the essential nihilsm and individualism that defined post-war american capitalism (ultimately leading to the social degredation of both the nation as a whole and Don's own marriage) but the hippies aren't portrayed as virtious intellectuals either.
They both misunderstand and fail to provide any meaningful opposition to the very system they claim to critique (just as in real life all the hippie movement did was get baby boomers to ultimately accept the legalization of weed and the integration of blacks into the system itself).
Literally all we se the hippies do in the episode is read some cringey fucking slam poetry at a coffee shop then go back to their flat to get high and have an orgy.
There's no revolutionary spirit, no higher virtue, there's a baseless sense of superiority and incoherent distrust of capital but no one in that room is ever going to "make something of themselves" let alone make something of an actual political movement to resist the (((system))).
They haven't sold out but that's only because the system has no interest in buying them out.
Fundamentally they're not going to do anything but smoke weed, fuck their std ridden mulato girlfriends and bitch in their 3rd story apparentments about the military bombing some kids in vietnam while doing NOTHlNG to fucking stop.

>>212340108
It is Jewish filth. It is not a show, it is an advertisement. It is about how Jewish advertisers are the coolest guys ever and is nothing but an advertisement

>Sorry Pete but you see I follow the rule of thirds and you've attempted to center this around yourself, creating far too much head space. Ironically, in your attempt to appear as the bigger man, I, Don Draper, appear bigger while you appear smaller. My actions that ironically appear as inaction, only highlights my strengths to the person you wish to turn against me.

>>212337906
And people wonder why the hell he left her lol

>>212340291
Kill yourself Jew

>>212340291
>yes they’re both being criticized but I hate hippies

k

>>212340317
Keep coping schizo

>>212336021 (OP)
IRL Betty’s naked tits are actually really disappointing so now you know why Don stepped out all the time.

>>212340682
>morality is INSANE
Are you Jews capable of saying anything else?

I’m here to remind you that Duck Philips abandoned his dog. Feel like that guy and the man on the train who electroshocks his wife’s brain constantly make the main cast, despite the rapes and cheating, look like saints.

>>212338448
When you can personally make friends with someone and convince them to pay the firm millions and millions of dollars to run 30 second commercials between flintstones episodes for years if not decades?
Yeah dude, companies were willing to pay for that, they still are infact not just in advertising but in life insurance, wealth management and a whole host of other industries in sales. lt's honestly not a bad job in your 20s if you're an outgoing and charismatic enough business major; and they're high demand now as so many zoomers dont want to leave their fucking home.
Only difference between now and then is that basically everyone works commision now.
Good news with that is you really get someone at lucky strike or coca cola to sign you (the "accounts" guy) stand to make a $100,000 pluss off one sale.
Bad news is you dont get paid anything if you dont make a sale.

>>212340771
Nietzsche is correct on this. Slave morality is an invention to disenfranchise the powerful in favor of the weak.

Feminism states that all women are valid. Therefor it''s only fair that you cheat on your wife with all women otherwise you are a fucking CHUD.

>>212340771
>moralfags on 4chan
Just fuck off back to gif and goon to trannies or whatever you do when you’re not clutching pearls

>>212341249
Reminder that the anti-smoking schizo is an unabashed pedophile and half the reason he spams Mad Men threads is because he's angry they "hurt the cute little girl" or whatever the fuck by making her smoke fake cigarettes in one scene.
He's not actually reasonable or honest.

>>212341320
Gee so you’re saying the guy who camps out on /tv/ to spam mad men threads is mentally unstable ?

>>212341368
I know, shocking, right?

>>212341320
he was on kc during one his bans here and we got to talking about masha babko and he was more upset about the smoking videos than the child pornography, prostitution, or the fact the girls were starving to death.

>>212337539
>So Roy, if you had a job
kek

>>212337782
She wouldn’t have let herself get fat if she was still married to Don lol. She was always a chunker at heart, she just didn’t respect Henry enough to work at staying pretty for him, he was simply too nice to her and she got bored. No need to work to keep him interested.

>>212337858
Henry urged Betty not to seek anything from Don, he was also quite rich and she actually stepped up in status marrying him- going from a new money large suburban house to old money upstate mansion with a summer house off the LIRR. I imagine alimony wasn’t relevant since Betty remarried so quickly. Meghan got an LA house/apartment plus a milly out of him, probably a bit of cash until she also inevitably remarried.

>>212337782
oh fat betty
Bamalam
oh fat betty
Bamalam
Yknow she eats the ham
Bamalam
Peanut butter and jam
Bamalam

>>212336425
It's more like his total absence of any personality leads him into an existential crisis
He has no meaningful real relationships except with Anna Draper, who dies and he constantly looks for a real human connection, but can't actually find one, and it's because he can't really connect with anyone, because he's an empty suit, his whole personality is manufactured and surface-level, there's nothing underneath
Every hint of personal connection he gets, he whores to reaffirm his fake personality instead of developing a real one
>uses pictures of his wife and children to win the kodiak carousel account
>given Anna's ring, immediately gives it to his secretary to be his next trophy wife
>turns his spiritual awakening into the cocacola ad to worm his way back into mccann
Probably many other moments I forget

>>212338541
>>212338448
I’m a mid level engineer. If I have the option of working between two product sales reps:
1. Extremely knowledgeable, expert in the field, awkward to talk to, generally doesn’t pick up the phone, condescending, rude
2. Kind of knowledgeable, bends over backwards to get me info when I need it, takes us to lunch, can talk about subjects other than work, charismatic, pleasant
I’m quoting #2’s product every time.

>>212336021 (OP)
Didn't make in sons of anarchy either
Bitch is fucking ugly even old Katy sagal mogs her

>>212339000
Who You Meet is a better way to describe it. If you can get people to like you there’s really no limits. Unironically being very tall also helps but isn’t the most important thing. You know it when you meet someone with natural charm

>>212336503
You're simplifying things a bit but you're not wrong about most of it

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>>212344615
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>>212338873
Looking back nearly 70 years I agree the hippie counter culture was indeed gay and lame. I also used to smoke a ton of weed, unironically you grow out of the mindset when you get a job and start taking care of yourself. Meeting some of these real “free spirits” who expect pure comfort and happiness but won’t lift a finger to get it… you can’t achieve happiness, nirvana, whatever you want to call it without working for it.

These “artsy” burnouts are of the same culture as the stinky hitchhikers you find stealing from farm stands with the logic that “it’s all from the earth and we all share the earth man.” They want attention for their expressions that are not profound, interesting, unique or even inspiring. They’re not artists, they’re unmotivated and untalented, they are gay and lame.

>>212338349
There are a couple who see through him at least.
>you’re a football player in a suit
Comes to mind

>>212339238
>you’re garbage, and you know it
Is 10/10 delivery

>>212339904
Alternate, simpler explanation is that he was doomed from the start in that the first person who ever showed him genuine warmth and care in his life was a literal prostitute who then took his virginity at like 12 yo. We like to say
>nice
But theres no way you come out of that with a healthy view of love or even sex. He was head over heels about Betty before marrying her but after a few years… nothing compares to the smokeshow who was a conjugal professional and also fed him soup and sang to him when he was horribly sick.

>>212344891
its pretty obvious you're trying to convince yourself of this, rather than anyone else.

>>212340942
Calling what Pete did to the German “rape” is ridiculous

>>212345394
I’m sure your understanding of art is much more unique and deep than the thesis of an art appreciation 101 course lmao

>>212345894
i accept your concession

>>212337222
>Sally is honestly the only character who even comes to a proper realization about something in the final season
I can't really recall what that would be. What are you referring to

>>212345943
She realises her dad is an asshole

>>212336021 (OP)
do incels really think if you marry a hot woman you're just happy with that forever and never get bored of it, even though literally nothing in life works that way?

>>212345943
I think Don actually spelled it out for her pretty well
>you’re a beautiful girl, it’s up to you to be more than that
Eg she’s responsible for her own life, beyond just what she “should” do. Betty had a similar note about her marching to the beat of her own drum in that fucked up not quite suicide note.

>>212346003
Right, from your post I was expecting something more meaningful I guess. But Sally was kind of wrong anyway. Her "realization" was that her mother and father have a different experience than most people and get away with more things because they're both so attractive. This isn't untrue, but she also conflates that with the being otherwise useless or average people. Which is false, they're both intelligent and capable. The thing is Don encourages her line of thinking, it's a beautiful final scene they have where he tells her "you're a very beautiful girl, it's up to you to be more than that"

>>212346139
Yep

>>212346015
Worse, they think they stay beautiful

>>212336021 (OP)
That's a man

>>212346235
Lol. I wish we had booths at my office, fucking annoying I can't have a private conversation without going outdoors.

>>212346235
the scene is filmed so perfectly that if you project onto either of their perspectives they're both equally valid kek

>>212346270
Should be longer to get more of Don's reaction

>>212346235
I love that this show can have a scene like this

>>212337437
>You might say, "well it's the 60s, they didn't know there could be anything else,"
But if there's any decade where they did "know" there could be something else, then it's the 60s. Many didn't find what they were searching for but by god did they think there was something else for them. I'm not just talking about hippies either. There's a billion different cults with different slants and various political groups working to build the world they want, or people going off on their own to build their life with their own two hands like Richard Proenneke, or becoming artists that use new mediums to create things they couldn't do in previous decades, or inventing new technologies that makes way for entirely new kinds of jobs and lives etc. etc.

Even the media at the time had this view with Green Acres, a show about a rich guy wearing a suit realising he doesn't want the big city life and buys a farm instead and spends his day happy despite it being a shithole, being incredibly popular because it captured the spirit of the era. Unless you're living during the Belle Époque you're not going to find a much better era for people being incredibly optimistic and thinking there's new ways of doing things instead of being stuck in the old ways.

>>212336021 (OP)
well, shes hotter, whats the issue?

>>212337782
>>212343274
Did we watch different shows? The guy was a fucking feeder making her eat more to fatten her up on purpose. If she'd met anyone else she would probably have stayed thin.

>>212338448
It's still true in a lot of companies, the outright sex part just isn't allowed any more or kept extremely hush hush and denied at every opportunity. I remember one guy talking about how the company he worked for instituted a policy that they could no longer pay for the strip club when clients came into town when more women started working for them or the clients were women, but his older married coworker loved taking clients to a strip club to get his own kicks so he skirted the rules by fudging the numbers and charging the money to a bar or restaurant instead so it looked okay on the billing account, I think the strip club owner was in on it somehow and helped fudge the receipts, happy the guy was bringing in "high rollers" with company accounts. The guy was so sick of wasting hours at the sleazy strip club babysitting the coworker and drunk clients who tried to grope strippers that he ended up reporting his coworker for the fraud and got him fired, just so he wouldn't have to do that in particular any more and instead just go to "normal" schmooze places with the clients, like restaurants and theatres and bars.

>>212338261
Sounds like what little I've heard and seen of John Hamm's new show where he loses his job and starts to steal from all his richs friends.

>>212337976
>noooo it's not an addiction and thus a weakness!!! Smoking is actually a sign of a thinking rational mind harnessing nature and the mind into a pinprick of light, because Muh Prometheus!
Just imagine I spent pages on saying this through a random cigarette salesman character monologuing to the MC and you'll know what it's like to read Atlas Shrugged.

>>212347172
Now that I think about it you may be right. I haven't seen the show in years. Wasn't he a momma's boy and his mom was fat?

>>212336021 (OP)
Every hole is a goal

>>212348543
Something like that? It's honestly been a decade or something since I last saw an episode so I might be remembering wrong myself. I just have this distinct memory of her wanting to lose weight but the guy pushes her to eat a steak. While also always telling her he liked her no matter how she looked and she didn't have to lose weight, without outright saying he wanted her to stay fat because that would have blown his plans wide open. Classic feeder.

>>212344304
>spoiler
The Suitcase still gets me whenever I think about it