Why was everyone else so useless?

>>212339374 (OP)
Frodo and Sam literally destroyed Sauron.

>>212339408
Frodo was a plastic wrapper on the ring so Sam could do his job and take it to Mount Doom

>>212339374 (OP)
Ah yes, Gandalf the useless.

>>212339408
Samchad Gamgee had to drag Frodo kicking and screaming to Mount Doom and when they got there Frodo bitched out. Gollum unironically did more to destroy Sauron than Frodo.

>>212339449
Cope more Maiarnigger

>>212339449
What did he even do?

>>212339408
>Frodo and Sam literally destroyed Sauron.
>Frodo
He bitched out right at the end. If it want for Fagle fucking everything up the ring wouldn't have been destroyed unless Sam intervened which is probably what would have happened

>>212339440
Actually surprisingly accurate.

>>212339374 (OP)
>aragorn
>his strength is being the descendent of a random guy which gives him the ability to summon a ghost army exactly once

>>212340208
Well, it worked didn't it?

>>212339772
>Balrog
>Theoden
>Helm's Deep
>Gondor

>>212340208
And that ghost army made all the difference
What's your point?

>>212339772
Stopping a balrog from killing everyone for a first.

>>212340208
Yeah it's called fate.

Samwise was Tolkein’s educated upper-class take on the British working class. He’s a dumb servant, can’t read maps, happy and stupid and dependable. Just wants to sit in a pub and drink beer. He’ll come with the rich and powerful people on their insane quest to meddle in world politics (e.g. world war 1) and suffer endless hardship, but it’s all worth it for his lord’s approval. Even if he has to do the actual heavy lifting in the end after Sir Winston gets greedy. He just eats it and eats it and then goes back home without complaining. Then at the end of his life he gets to be Duke Penistone’s gardener in Heaven.

>>212340208
>None of the other characters could summon a ghost army
What are you getting at?

>>212340424
Then why it's le bad when anime does it? All of you niggers were pissing, shitting and dilating in anger because of Juan Piss when the cartoon powers were revealed.

>>212340529
Where the fuck did you get this from all of a sudden lmao

Legolos killed like 6000 orks over the course of the movies by the way.

>>212339374 (OP)
Merry and Pippin are the most useless of the bunch and they still managed to convince treebeard to destroy Isengard.

>>212340748
>chud ganja gremlin convinces treecels to do things
Great writing, bravo Tolkkkien.

>>212340748
That was mostly Merry. Pippin just wanted to go back and smoke weed. Pippin is the most useless Fellowship member. What did he ever do?

>>212340618
Drop in the bucket

>>212340812
Uh he sang okay that one time and touched the big "Call Sauron" skype ball.

>>212340812
>Showed himself to Sauron with the palantir which convinced Sauron that the halflings were at Isengard (then found Isengard was in ruin and seized) which convinced Aragorn to further taunt Sauron into thinking he had the ring which resulted in Sauron clearing Mordor to attack Minas Tirith, resulting in fewer Orcs defending mount doom.
>Saved Faramir’s life by getting Gandalf to stop Denethor

>>212340208
He is also the last living descendant of a goddess who shaped reality in the men linages. Same idea as if Jesus had kids and the kids had super powers.

>trips Gollum

>>212339374 (OP)
reminder that without missing a beat aragorn and broamir turned and started to run back to stand with gandalf and fight the immortal timeless satan hell demon.

thats why gandalf knew he had to be deceptive in making his last stand because the two MEN wouldnt stand for it

menchads just keep winning

>>212341256
Holy shit, Aragorn was real?

>>212341256
That is the right era for LoTR too going by the equipment description.

Swap the kettle helm for a norman tall helm and make the colors dark blue/black, white and gold you have what the two would have looked like. Aragorn had a crest of seven stars and boromir would have the tree

>>212340208
>wrests palantir from sauron through sheer force of will

>>212339792
Frodo convinced Sam to spare Gollum which is how they got into Mordor without needing a convoluted plan to sneak past the main gate. Frodo's patience and affection were key even if he doesn't have the willpower of Sam.

>>212341245
Yes and no.
The ring curses Gollum. In so doing, it seals it's own fate. This is the point of Gandalf saying "I think he still has some purpose" or whatever it is, where mercy for the little fucker is the key to victory.

>Then suddenly, as before under the eaves of Emyn Muil, Sam saw these two rivals with other vision. A crouching shape, scarcely more than a shadow of a living thing, a creature now wholly ruined and defeated, yet filled with hideous lust and rage; and before it stood stern, untouchable now by pity, a figure robed in white, but at its breast it held a wheel of fire. Out of the fire there spoke a commanding voice.
>"Begone, and trouble me no more! If you touch me ever again, you shall be cast yourself into the Fire of Doom

This is what destroys the ring. As gollum does, in fact, touch the ring again he is invokes the curse it placed upon him itself. When he falls he takes the ring with him inadvertently and it is destroyed by it's own contempt.

Nobody possessed the strength of will to destroy the ring. Sam was humble enough to turn away from its temptations and was the only one who could willing give it up, but nobody had the will to stand at the crack of doom where the ring was made and destroy it. It was too powerful. Only by it's own machinations could it be undone.

>>212340812
he summoned the balrog which gave gandalf the levels he needed to evolve which saved the world

>>212340951
The best part about Pippin using the Palantir is that Gandalf left Isengard without being certain about what exactly the stone was.
He meant to find out by using it which by his own admission would've been catastrophic because he wasn't yet ready to reveal himself to Sauron and would've most likely capitulated to sauron's will, possibly revealing part or all of the plan.

Was it Merry or Pippin who came up with the idea of having Treebeard drop them in Isengard which triggered the Ents going to war?

>>212339440
>>212339612
>>212339792
>>212339988
>shitting on frodo
Sam wouldn't be able to carry it to mount doom
>but le garden
It was still a temptation, ring literally had nothing to tempt frodo with, he only wanted to destroy the ring to save his friends, it resorted to just mentally raping him the whole journey, fogging his memories and not letting him rest, and he also was stabbed by nazgul blade that never heals
It was frodo/sam/gollum team effort, none of them would get even close without whole team
And it was stated multiple times that it is simply impossible to willingly destroy the ring, nobody in middle earth would be able to drop it down into lava, except bombadil, but it doesn't count
Also movies changed frodo, he was very smart and level headed in the books
In the book the literal god resorted to intervent so the ring could be destroyed, in the movies it made so ring destroys itself out of shortsighted desperation

>>212340208
skill issue

>>212341718
You forgot bilbo, bilbo is the only one who willingly gave up the ring after actually using it and claiming it as his own for decades
Sam barely touched the ring in comparison, and was cautious like faramir

>>212341394
Nah, that's too late.

One eagle could've done the job of all those retards. Tolkien is a hack.

>>212342520
>get instantly shot down by mordor air defence nazguls

>>212342195
True. It is something about the values of hobbits in general. I have always accepted that the ring exerted its will differently at different points in time. Becoming more domineering and imposing on frodo than it was on smeagol or bilbo.

>When the Hobbits return to the Shire, they are the Chadliest of Chads
>They save the Shire from Sharkey
>they have enormous wealth and celebrity
>Merry and Pippin are the tallest of any Hobbits ever since they drank enchanted water that made them grow
>Sam gets Bag-End to live with his wife and thirteen kids and governs as Mayor for half a century

>>212340812
Lit the beacons of Amon Din
Also getting the Ents off their backsides was entirely on Pippin I don't know what you're talking about

>>212339772
He was Deus Ex Machina made flesh

How many designer Marijuana brands in existence are called "Old Toby"?

>>212343130
>Lit the beacon
Not canon though is it. The beacons were already lit as Gandalf and Pippin were riding through the outer walls while entering Gondor

Let's be honest here, none of you have read the books.

>>212343517
I stopped reading it halfway through the first book because i was bored.

>>212343517
Sure, it's been a while though. And they're not exactly 100% canon with each other.

>>212343517
I was gonna marathon the entirety of Tolkein's work but then I realized that combined it's longer than the Bible, Talmud and Quran put together so I chickened out.

>>212343822
listen to them as an audiobook on 2X, dummy

>>212343845
>Audiobook
Philistine

>>212339772
you know just stopping the strongest being in the whole movie Balrog

>>212343763
Redpill me on Tom Bombadil, why does he BTFO of people so much.

>>212343517
The books are boring as fuck. How many pages of Tom Bombadil slop do we have to sit through? Hundreds?
No thanks

They literally could have buried the ring in a 100 ft deep hole somewhere in the woods and no one ever would have found it.

>>212340208
He healed Merry and Eowyn and saved Faramir from certain death

>>212344629
Did you see how deep Saruman dug in isengard? They'd have found it

>>212343517
I did it twice

>>212339374 (OP)
Did you miss the scene where Gandalf solo'd Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli in The Two Towers?

>>212344013
>rothschilds bow to Bombadil

>in contact with aliens

>rumoured to possess psychic abilities

>control the old forest with an iron fist

>own rivers and trees all over the world

>direct descendants of no one, oldest and fatherless

>will bankroll the first cities on Mars (Bombagrad will be be the first city)

>own basically every DNA editing research facility on Middle-Earth

>first designer babies will be Bombadil Babies

>said to have 200+ IQ

>ancient harad scriptures tell of an angel who will descend upon the Earth and will bring an era of enlightenment and unprecedented technological progress with them

>They own Nanobot R&D labs around the world

>You likely have Bombabots inside you right now

>Bombadil is in regular communication with the Valar, forwarding the word of Eru to the Gondorian Church

>He learned fluent Dwarvfish in under a week

>Imladris entrust their gold rings with Bombadil. There's no rings held by the race of elves, only by Bombadil

>Bombadil is 67 years old, from the space-time reference point of the base human.

>In reality, they are timeless beings existing in all points of time and space from the Bog bang to the end of the universe

>Bombadil will guide humanity into a new age of wisdom, peace and love

>>212344629
Where do you dorks get this idea that hiding the ring is the winning move? Did you just completely miss the part where the ring was lost for thousands of years and presumed gone forever, yet still Sauron was set to win? It's baffling that all these decades later you still say this dumb shit and think it's smart

>>212342086
>in the movies it made so ring destroys itself out of shortsighted desperation
improvement to be honest

>>212341815
Kek! I never thought of it like that. Gandalf has to go back to Eru Illuvitar to update his skill tree.

>>212341833
Also, by using the Palantir, Pippin presented Sauron with the image of a halfling in a location other than that of the halfling he sought, distracting his attention from his own borders and drawing his armies to Gondor, giving Team Ringbearer the opportunity they needed to bumble and stumble into accidental success.
The moral of the story is that no force in history has greater power than the dumb luck of lazy idiots.

>>212339374 (OP)
the REAL question is why 4/5 of the Wizards are useless or strayed from their mission? If just one other, like Radaghast, had helped Gandalf, then they'd have curbstomped Sauron. If both Blues had joined in too, they'd have been unstoppable.

>>212345537
Gandalf didn't want to be a leader because he was too busy smoking hobbit weed, they wanted him to be one but it took thousands of years, sauronman flipping and near death experience to make him understand the responsibility
Sauronman didn't give a fuck he just wanted to be a leader
It's probably easy to stop caring about sauron even after 500 years of literally nothing happening
But logically they should have all been patrolling mordor so the big ass evil tower couldn't be built and gorillion of orcs weren't born

>>212341833
>>212341833
Why would that be true? Gandelf is as strong as sauron. It was maliketh that was the higher order being

>>212343104
It's nice of sam to father her 13 children like that. I mean I wouldn't but it's nice that some did.

>>212346087
All fathered by Sam. That man was a machine when he returned. Married his crush immediately then spent morning, noon, and night pumping babies into her.

>>212346035
>Gandelf is as strong as sauron
No.
>maliketh
Bruh

>>212346035
Sauron would mindrape anyone in direct confrontation, nigger spent millenias hating and seething, chud energy overflow would oneshot anyone, even if galadriel, gandalf, elrond and aragorn combined faced him, he would blackpill them almost instantly

>>212347258
A couple of Humans defeated him when he was at his strongest and with the One ring. Elrond and Aragorn could do it. With Gandalf and Galadriel's help, it'd be child's play.

>>212343517
My mom was super intense about reading when I was a kid. The Hobbit was the first book she offered up as the first for me to read alone without her help when I was 5-7.

>>212347428
>biggest battle of the age
>A couple of Humans