Was he meant to be likeable? He was a whiney little bitch who did stupid choices at every step but got lucky

And the dad did literally nothing wrong at all but they made him a villian???

>>212347985 (OP)
They tried to make him Eren from Attack On Titan

>>212348100

I dont watch gook shit. But the father was 10x more admiriable than the son

he was mad at his dad (who just saved his life and was drunk and high of of that fact) for seeking companionship in the arms of a sane, attractive woman instead of his bed-shitting schizo wife who he knew was as good as dead but couldn't put down because of community rules which is the whole implication cause he obviously knew she was terminally sick.

>>212347985 (OP)
>good guy bad guy
Why do you see things in black and white?

>>212348224
Trying to play it high and mighty when it comes to anime while wasting so much of your time posting on an anime forum is some fine irony.

>>212348416
Im not i just dont watch it, i find clean animation offputting, i liked older hand drawn animes

>>212348370
Yes saving his life and installing strong masculine traits in him and sheltering him from others by propping up his failures is actually LYING AND BAD AND EVIL

If your father shelters your feeling by not screaming in your face that your mother is dying, or propping you up so others admire you more you should pull a knife on him

>>212347985 (OP)
Did he know his mom was hot AF?

>>212348224
The father broke the sacred contract of marriage. He is a truly despicable character

>>212348495
Clearly, the film made Spike's reaction an overreaction and that you're not supposed to agree with him on Jamie because he's a dumb fucking kid who can't grasp life. It was nonetheless expected that so many people took that view on Jamie despite the movie being abotu Spike's deluded journey to save his mother. Only when Kelson kills her and tells him to grow up does the story actually chart. 3rd part ain't being made.

>>212348564
Mothers aren't for fucking

>>212348565
Nope, as far as cheating goes, with Jamie's circumstances, he was as close to justified as it gets. Plus, cheating is truly only unforgivable when it comes to the female of the pair due to men and women being different beings thus held to different standards. A mother is the entire backbone and foundation of a family while the father is indeed the breadwinner, the mother is of paramount importance to the family. If she cheats, the family unit is desecrated forever. If the father cheats, they can remedy it provided it is not done in spite (and only in human error).

>>212348652
Letting the mother be the backbone of the family is perhaps an even greater shortcoming than cheating for men

>>212348782
What are you on about? The mother has always been the backbone of the family unit. She nurtures and comforts and it's a sad (but true) fact that instictively vast majority of children feel much more "love" for their mothers than they do their fathers. You only grow to love your father (if he's a good man and father) once you mature and grow but the man can't take of the kids, feed, clothe them and do what constitutes 99 percent of raising a kid. That one percent the father chips in is morality, discipline and maturity which is the most important percent of all. But that doesn't make the mother any less paramount. You can't be one of those "equal time raising the kid" people, right?

>12 year old lad is more of a man than his father
is this what growing up outside of modernity does to you?

>>212349075
>more of a man
>carried/saved by a Swedish soldier for most of the movie and then saved by Kelson
>drags his sick mother to the mainland on a deluded childish belief that this man who is a Doctor has the cure to everything
>Kelson just kills his mother after drugging him and shows him her skull
Idiot.

>>212347985 (OP)
so glad I didn't pay to see it, the way it bait and switched the roles of the dad and mom and then the power rangers ending

>>212349263
sorry to hear you were filtered

I'm sure this will be a civil thread

>>212347985 (OP)
The second part of this movie wasn't amazing. A delusional woman with cancer could fuck an infected (sure, it was an american zombie but still) and the kid became Rambo even though he shat himself during his training, the alpha plot made no sense, the holding hands with the pregnant infected made no sense, the swede was annoying and the pacing was way too slow.
The first part was way better and I don't understand why people think the father was a bad dude. Sure, he cheated on his wife when he was drunk (again, a sick woman who cannot offer him carnal pleasures), sure he slapped his kid (who menaced him with a knife) but he also protected the kid despite his mistakes on the field, he lied to make him look better, he chose to not eat bacon so his son could and after the salp, he hit the wall.
He is flawed but that makes him a good character, a goody two shoe man in the apocalypse never fairs well, not just the incarnation of toxic masculinity (I assume people will make the comparison with the big dick alpha)

>>212349313
Embarrassing.

>>212349580
The treatment of Jamie was infuriating. As far as fathers go, he was an A- (and even then the - minus for cheating is overblown to me given the context and circumstances) and I hope he's treated better in the sequel which of course he fucking won't be.

>>212349708
Here's who's directing the next movie, of course he won't

>>212349708
Even at the end, the dude ran on the submerged pathway even though he said, at the start of the movie, we will not search after you and do not go on the road if it's under water. And this wasn't rage to me, just despair.
I do hope he is shown under a better light, especially in constrat to the chavs. But Garlan has an issue with men so we we'll get 50 shades of toxic masculine behaviour if he is writing it.

>>212349641
i can tell you're asshurt over this because you're probably the same kind of mediocre excuse of a man as Jamie. pretending to be a le serious tough guy who doesn't have emotions outside of punching walls isn't cool, it's sad
if you identified with him, you were filtered, simple as

>>212349920
Your brain has been mushed by kikes and women, for all of human history being a strong and brave man is GOOD, being a weak shaking frail man is BAD

Im sorry your father was a weak man who couldnt raise you better but its not too late to break the cycle

>>212350161
in what world was he a "strong and brave" man? he immediately shit himself in fear the moment a real alpha (male) showed up. when he was drunk and bragging at the party about shit that never happened, you were meant to see that his masculinity was almost entirely a facade
that's why he was left stranded on the island village at the end. he was literally and spiritually stuck

>>212349920
Jamie was a stone cold alpha male and thus he wouldn't stay celibate on the behalf of a doomed sick crazie. Insane imbecile.

>>212350400
>Jamie was a stone cold alpha male
then why did the film contrast him with an actual alpha male, who went out of his way to run Jamie down on the causeway after his tribe was killed?

>>212347985 (OP)
>was he meant to be this
>was he meant to do this
>was I meant to think this
>what am I supposed to think of this
Why don't you just watch a movie and take away from it whatever you take away from it, instead of trying to find the most popular answer to everything? Did you like him? If not, then no you weren't meant to like him. Did you find him whiney? Then that's what that character was to you.
>And the dad did literally nothing wrong at all but they made him a villian???
Did you see him as the villain? Obviously not, so by who's metric was he "the villain"? I didn't see him as the villain, nor did anyone I know who also watched the movie.

>>212350513
That's your insane reading of it. The Alpha has no correlation with Jamie's character in any subtext.

>>212350700
there absolutely was, which is why Jamie was bragging about what happened to the villagers as if he wasn't seconds away from being torn apart by a much stronger and dedicated man
the imagery could not be clearer: Jamie couldn't cross the causeway at the end because he failed as a man, whereas the alpha ran across it with such force that Jamie nearly shit himself

>>212350881
You're beyond a midwit and it's painful to see you try your hand at critical thinking.

>>212350933
>here's your totally manly man alpha male, bro

>>212351029
Why did the alphas look like pakis

>>212348495
>shelters your feeling by not screaming in your face that your mother is dying

>>212351078
Only one did and it was because he was played by a paki. I thought he was just meant to look swarthy and feral and dirty.

>>212351078
the alpha in the causeway scene was played by picrel

>>212348939
NTA but children of single fathers are significantly less likely to end up in prison than children of single mothers.

>>212350245
>when he was drunk and bragging at the party about shit that never happened
He wasn't "bragging", he was talking up his son to make him feel better
>he immediately shit himself in fear the moment a real alpha showed up
You can't be brave if you don't have fear
He did not have the tools necessary to (reliably) kill the alpha, fighting it would simply get himself and his son killed - that wouldn't be "brave", it would just be stupid

>>212351450
yeah, but he sure was quick to grab that knife from his 12 year old son and seethe over it, huh? crazy how that works
>immediately runs in fear when alpha male comes at you
>suddenly tough when a boy stands up to you
many such cases

>>212348939
>The mother has always been the backbone of the family unit.
Totally wrong. This is an extremely recent invention, as men seek to hide or run away from their children rather than raise. Men have abdicated that responsibility since the industrial revolution
>You only grow to love your father (if he's a good man and father) once you mature and grow but the man can't take of the kids, feed, clothe them and do what constitutes 99 percent of raising a kid
If it takes you until mature to love your father, your father comprehensively failed when raising you and was probably absent for most if not all of your young life
>You can't be one of those "equal time raising the kid" people, right?
Equal time? Its not an equation. Either you're there for your child, or you aren't

>>212351532
>you won't fistfight a grizzly bear but you'll disarm your son so that neither of you get hurt, you must be a coward
You are an absolute fucking retard

>>212349708
>I hope he's treated better in the sequel which of course he fucking won't be.

you think this because you are too easily triggered to recognize that the movie is setting up a good dad v bad dad conflict between Aaron and Sinnersguy
Aaron will obviously have a redemption arc.

>>212351565
>This is an extremely recent invention, as men seek to hide or run away from their children rather than raise.

anon before the industrial revolution there was a 50% child mortality rate and many working class boys were sent away from home early to serve as apprentices, essentially as child indentured labour.
you don't know what you're talking about.

>>212351619
except it wasn't a grizzly bear, it was another man. why do you think the tribal alphas were so much bigger/taller? Jamie was a big fish in a small pond, in the wild he would be torn apart by stronger men

>>212351640
>calling Jack O'Connel Sinnersguy
If you're not a Brit/Euro, I won't talk about this movie with you.

>>212351707
>it was another man
Who is 7 feet tall, can survive multiple arrow shots with no issue, has significantly thicker skin and unnaturally large muscle, and super strength
But sure dude I'm sure not wanting to have your head + spine ripped straight out of your body makes you a coward

>>212351703
If you are only focusing on the small population of people that served in apprenticeships you'll never understand what I'm talking about. You have to think bigger

>>212351813
look, it's pretty clear Jamie was traumatised from everything that happened during the apocalypse (Garland/Boyle said as much in interviews). i actually feel a lot of sympathy for his character, but he seemed more like a critique of modern masculinity than anything else. him not wanting to get destroyed by the alpha is rational, but i feel like the way it's framed is trying to suggest that his masculinity was a sham or coping mechanism
Spike's mother even seemed sad that Jamie wasn't ever silly with him. Jamie isn't cool or manly, he's hurt and trying to get by

>>212352047
>you have to imagine an idealized fantasy version of the past that only existed for a minority of people

AND I WOULD HAVE BEEN A WIZARD'S APPRENTICE

>>212352093
one aspect of the movie being from Spike's POV is all the adults being flawed in different ways. it's absolultely not just Jamey, it's also Isla and Jimmy and Dr Kelson.
the reading of Alex Garland as dissing men specifically in this movie is wrong, it's all about developing Spike. if any of his role models were perfect then there would be no story because that character would end up bumping him down to side character status, like a lot of dimwits thought he was based on their whining about the second half of the film.

>>212351532
This is a ridiculously stupid take

>>212352239
i'm not reading this as a critique of men in general, only a particular kind of man, but otherwise i agree
>>212352288
you've contributed nothing to this thread

>>212347985 (OP)
Is that a photograph or a painting?

>>212351714
he hasn't really broken out except in the US, which is where Sinners made money (I torrented it, watched half, got bored and skipped to the end), so I don't remember his name. I know he's been in a bunch of stuff.

>>212352390
for some reason the chad archtype being criticized generates way more complaining. I guess every guy wants to imagine themselves as one so its like criticizing our hopes and dreams.

>>212352599
if you want to be an alpha male, then you have to do "alpha male" things which aren't really possible in civilisation. it's crazy to me that these guys are identifying with Jamie and not the alpha/berserker infected who actually live up to these masculine ideals

>>212348370
>>212348495
Maybe I missed something thanks to the shitty camrip but I never got the impression that ATJ knew or suspected that his wife was terminally ill.
It seemed more like to him it was an inconvenience in his life but he was still thinking of it as a mental thing that would eventually resolve itself somehow

>watching at the cinema in sweden
>audience completely dead silent entire film
>swedish guy shows up
>im erik
>crowd goes nuts
>they laugh at every line he says
>the entire part with the phone got more laughs than any comedy ive seen

I hate these people so much its unreal

>>212351029
So, is being a manly man blindly getting yourself killed against an opponent you're unmatched for?

>>212351300
Addressed in the same post.

>>212354141
Jamie has a bow, the other guy has nothing but his hands

>>212352108
You're so afraid to acknowledge what you've lost that you won't even let yourself imagine it.

>>212353011
>I never got the impression that ATJ knew or suspected that his wife was terminally ill.
Isla literally says that they knew she had cancer after Dr Kelson diagnoses her properly.

its retrospectively apparent that ATJ wanted to take Spike out at a young age because staying on the island watching her deteriorate was driving him crazy.

>>212354199
I don't get the impression that you've read many pre-20th century stuff because life was just as annoying and incomprehensible back then. there are writings in the Bible bitching about how insufferable women are, and that was back when they had zero rights.

>>212354376
Each generation having its own trials and tribulations has nothing to do with father's abdicating their responsibility to their children

>>212349302
>then the power rangers ending
Is kino

>>212349580
>he cheated on his wife when he was drunk (again, a sick woman who cannot offer him carnal pleasures
He not only cheated on his wife, he cheated on her with a married woman.

>>212351714
Holy shit, that was fuckin' Cook? I didn't even realise.

>>212349302
The power rangers ending is a setup for how the next movie will more thoroughly explore how non-infected survivors in mainland Britain have descended into various forms of weirdness or mental illness.
Trust the plan, it will all make sense in the end

>>212354591
So? An extramarital affair isn't that bad, they were both drunk and willing, that doesn't make them monsters.

>>212354843
you know who we didn't see getting drunk and sleeping around behind everyone else's back? the actual monsters

>>212354843
>An extramarital affair isn't that bad
I want to go through archives now to find out when adultery was decriminalised and who was responsible. Your post has left me in despair.

Are you a woman? The only people I know to defend homewrecking are women.

>>212354081
Cope, swedecuck

>>212354922
People are flawed dude, and it's not the end of the world, you can't put infidelity in the same category as, I don't know, theft, rape, murder, grooming or whatever. If you were to be cucked, then, just remove the chick from your life, and not with a bullet or a stone, and find another, more faithful one. I guess you are either from the US or a Muslim country and that's why your pov is different from mine.

>>212355326
>Create an environment where infidelity is seen as normal and not a problem
>Dude, just find another woman that's faithful, lmao
Cuckholding destroys lives. You sound like a modern progressive fellow, how important do you consider mental health to be?

>tfw the psychotic caveman cared more about his woman than Jamie did for his wife

>>212352551
He's been in high-profile movies since the mid 2010's.

>>212355443
I didn't say normal, I said it wasn't the worst thing in the world. But it still is a flaw.
>Cuckholding destroys lives.
Yeah, if you are cucked and not strong enough to just go on with your life.
>modern progressive fellow
There are things I don't mind, others I don't like.
>how important do you consider mental health to be?
As important as physical health. Mens sana in corpore sano.

>>212355749
I applaud your level of double-think, you're well indoctrinated by the mainstream. If the thread is still up in a few hours, I'll go into depth if some other anon doesn't.