Alright you're now in charge of writing Alien's lore. Where do xenomorphs come from?

>>212387532 (OP)
a planet

>>212387532 (OP)
space Jews made them

>>212387532 (OP)
created by the outer gods or something. youre not really supposed to explain sci-fi horror

>>212387532 (OP)
eggs

>>212387532 (OP)
giger's bdsm themed dreams

>>212387532 (OP)
We don't know. We're not supposed to know. It's alien.

>>212387532 (OP)
Equestria

>>212387532 (OP)
Naturally occurring animal from another planet we've never seen.
Are you implying something about Jonesy?

>>212387532 (OP)
Supposed to be a different path of evolution. It's parasitic, partly inorganic, and goes through multiple forms as it's growing. Space Jockeys wanted to study them since they're interesting. Never bioweapons and certainly not perfect.

>>212387532 (OP)
Don't know, won't tell. It ruins the creature's ability to induce fear or interest if everything is known about it.

>>212387532 (OP)
They come from nowhere in particular. They're just a ubiquitous and dangerous space pest that are encountered in derelict spaceships, abandoned space stations, or remote moons.
Characters might speculate about them being some kind of mutation, a deliberately created bioweapon, or even a former spacefaring species that regressed and went feral. But nothing beyond speculation. All we know is they have no apparent homeworld, origin, or creators, they're just mysterious 7 foot tall space hornets.

>>212387532 (OP)
Genetic weapon is fine origin. why not? Problem is we add the perfection aspect and religion into this shit. Same fuckers and ideas that ruined predators with that dumb ass civilization fully based on who nest hunter.

>>212388419
>It ruins the creature's ability to induce fear
kek, that's been LONG gone for decades now. They proved the only way to bring back the fear was to make it interactive so it could actually chase you around. But no Alien movies will ever be scary again.

>>212388419
yeah it doesnt needed better focus on what first films did. tell stories of other characters tell about greet in attempts to abuse this shits or even what Alien descend did with people making religions based on this aliens.

>>212388582
well not when they show us aimbot rifles that kill dosens of aliens in seconds.

After the engineers fucked off or went extinct, the bio-mechanical cyborg penis machines they used to breed living tools made in their image kept creating life without purpose or direction, until eventually the creatures they created were a crude mockery of their makers. And then for a trillion years or so, all those bio-mechanical inbred abominations kept fighting against each other until the xenomorphs reigned triumphant and the space jockeys came second. Or something along these lines

>>212387532 (OP)
I like their origin in prometheus in broad strokes, just not the way they were executed.

A species of space worms mutated by Space Jokey bio-weapons that wipes the entire Space Jokey civilization is an absolute kino and plays on the Arete-Hybris-Nemesis theme so well.

Arete (advanced civilization seeding planets with life), Hybris (they create bioweapons to destroy planets they don't like), Nemesis (the Xenomorph).

They just completely fucked it up with the David shit.

>>212388650
As demonstrated with Alien Covenant, even when the monsters are difficult to hurt and killing dozens of humans, they're just boring to watch. The humans will get there eventually. Everything is on fast forward now.

>>212387841
> youre not really supposed to explain sci-fi horror
>>212387971
>>212388067
This.
>>212388567
> Genetic weapon is fine origin. why not?
It’s just extremely reductive

>>212387532 (OP)
They originated from Baba Booey’s teeth.

>>212387532 (OP)
space jockeys engineered them to be living bio-weapons that they could unleash on their enemies, xenos escaped, attacked and destroyed their creators before that could happen

today, still wanted by the government they survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them....maybe you can hire The A-Team

>>212387532 (OP)
Some super harsh planet where they mindlessly kill all other forms of life large enough to be their host. If you did some kind of archeological research there would be this recurring cycle of life being wiped out by xenos, xenos dying out leaving only dormant unhatched eggs, life slowly reemerging or evolving, then life being wiped out again and again and again. That's the entire fossil record, Xenos being this repeated extinction event preventing any kind of evolution or growth beyond a certain point.

Engineers would have landed there and set up some kind or research facility or mining/resource gathering operation been infected and then taken xenos off world.

>>212387532 (OP)
COVID-19.

>>212387532 (OP)
They evolved on their own? Does it need to be more complicated?

>>212389574
Apparently. There is some weird idea that the aliens and humans have to have been made by some fantastic beings for mindblowing reasons

>>212389574
Yes

>>212389716
Where this shit idea possible could came from?

>>212389716
>for some reason
Giger's artstyle is pretty much what made alien popular. It's not far-fetched for people to want more biomechanical shit in it

>>212389944
You need to work on your reading comprehension

>>212389944
Probably just body horror in general not just Giger.

>>212387841

Space Jockeys aren't albino humans, they are their own lovecraftian type bio mechanical species. They have to fuse their bodies with their technology to make it work.(bio-punk) Everything about them as a species is grotesque(think the video game scorn). Xenomorphs aren't "the ultimate weapon" just a predator lifeform they were working one. They got cocky as they wanted to make it more deadly when they eventually lost control and the research lab where they were created was wiped out. Its ambiguous whether or not space jockeys are extinct or not. It hinted that xenos didn't wipe out them but rather something else did (which makes whatever did much scarier)

>>212390209
I took it as if you'd prefer it if the xenomorphs were a natural form of life and not a bioweapon made on purpose by the fantastic beings in question
>>212390248
What other sorts of body horror you think would fit Alien well beyond giger's biomechanical stuff, besides rape and male pregnancy?

>>212387841
The race of Yith were just a long living species that the real race of Yith body swapped with and had been doing for all of eternity.

>>212391370
no shit RETARD why are you trying to do the most basic bitch """lore""" dump to someone posting pics of them and obviously knows?

>>212391432
You said created by the outer God's or something. You clearly didn't read the source material dumb ass. They always existed. They weren't created merely found you turbo nigger.

>>212390540
Look at that marvelous design
It's really fucking good, man
I should curse Scott every day before I sleep

>>212387532 (OP)
it isn't that hard. many ideas can work, just don't make it lame.

>>212387841
That's a really shitty anthropomorphic rendition of the yith

>>212387532 (OP)
Some balls curdling Lovecraftian shit from abyss of time immemorial that'll never be revealed, maybe hinted.
Oh, and it stays a Phalic Rapemonster as envisioned by O'Bannon and Giger, not Cameron's space wasp cannon fodder to rub out his Vietnam analogies.

>>212388582
>kek, that's been LONG gone for decades now.
Well, if I am suddenly in charge of the lore I never let it get to that point. And definitely not having them get made by a fruity android in a prequel taking place like 15 years before the first movie. It just shows that the OG is good in spite of Scott, not because of him.

>>212387532 (OP)
Originally an advanced space faring civilization, they eventually learned from investigating the ruins of previous space civs that there is an inevetable point in technological process where you learn about the cosmic horrors that memetically spread by discovering them and that will destroy your species and possibly the whole universe out of sheer evil malice. The only way they can prevent this is by reshaping themselves into highly intelligent quasi-beasts that refuse to develop technology (including having literacy) and adopt a way of life where they kill off other space faring civs before they can advance too far and doom the universe.

They deliberately create nests and traps to lure in ships to infest and spread among civs for the express purpose to exterminate them. They are much more intelligent than a human but are limited to only understanding how to use already built tech, but not how to built it themselves and will destroy any sources of knowledge, like databases or books, to prevent future civs from leaping too far ahead from pilfered knowledge (hence why all ancient civ ruins are full of fractured and cryptic bullshit but never a blueprint).

The space jockey was just an unfortunate victim of a xenomorph trap. The xenos then landed the craft in a route likely to be frequented by space travel, established a huge nest and activated an emergency signal before going dormant. If the alien had succeeded on the nostromo it would have set course for earth and wiped out mankind.

The viewer will never hear about this because all he will ever see of xenos is them wrecking a place and building nests and sometimes inexplicably shredding books or doing a very smart manipulation of technology (like operating a lift or airlock) while suddenly outwitting their prey on a level a beast would never be able to after deliberately pretending to be stupid to create a false sense of security in their victims.

>>212387532 (OP)
>you're now in charge of writing Alien's lore
We don't need to know where the aliens came from. We don't need to know who the Space Jockey was. We don't need an explanation for any of this shit. It's always a mistake to over explain your monsters.

>>212387532 (OP)
Why the flying fuck would you do that? It would suck all the cosmic horror of the unknown out of it. Oh wait, that's exactly what that disgusting Englishman Scott did. Probably part Italian.

Th canon tabletop RPG gives us this explanation.

Space Jockeys? Those cute little guys

Space Jockeys shouldn't have legs

>>212387532 (OP)
I always liked the idea that they are the perfect bioweapon because when they gestate instead something they learn all its weaknesses and the form it 'evolves' into is specific to those weakness. hence the alien having acid blood, excellent night vision while we have shit night vision, hands and fingers so it can manipulate the same stuff we can like door handles, keypads etc,

and that if it gestated in something else like a shark, the alien would look completely different than the human ones do.

>>212394598
they're not perfect nor do they take the form of whatever they're in.

>>212388564
And you know what, there’s nothing wrong with them being hornets of space

I wouldn’t say anything. I would leave it alone, and that’s what no one did.

>>212394650
you mustve missed the part in the op where it said I'M in charge of the alien lore

There are two primordial cosmic deities. A male deity personifying life, and a female deity personifying death, who is his mate. Basically yin/yang. All organic life in the universe is the spawn of the "life" god, except for the xenos which are the spawn of the "death goddess". The xenos are essentially "anti life", and their relationship with life is analogous to the relationship between matter and antimatter; they annihilate each other.

>>212388564
This is the best one and what it should have always been

>>212387532 (OP)
No one fucking knows because their space cocoroachs

>>212387532 (OP)
Space bugs genetically engineered by unknown species, or just regular space bugs. Space is a scary, often harsh place. Only the most resilient and eldritch creatures survive, like in the ocean depths

>>212388933
I like this idea. It keeps their true origin a Lovecraftian mystery, while still doing the Engineer bio experiments gone wrong plot

Space wasps. Cosmic pests they stumbled across. Engineer had a ship full of bees and died.

Addressing the Fermi paradox is the thing Ridley Scott missed the most on.

sad trombone

scorn

>>212387532 (OP)
Xenomorphs are biotech cancer. The space jockeys didn't create them deliberately.

>>212387532 (OP)
Space.
They come from space. In the vast, uncaring cosmos, a scary fucking thing evolved out there in the deep dark void of space. No need for an origin story

They're a delicacy. The Space Jockey was a food truck deliveryman bringing eggs tk a space restaurant

>>212394892
>female deity personifying death, who is his mate. Basically yin/yang.
That's the opposite of yin/yang. Softness, motherhood, the darkness within the womb, are all yin. Yin is life bearing.

>>212387532 (OP)
Doesn't matter. We don't need to know anything else about them other than them being deadly. Trying to answer to a question of where a monster comes from always leads to a disappointment.

>>212388770
>HP Lovecraft deities made it, ignore the ship and Pilot they were just some rando hauling them around
That’s way more reductive. The bioweapon angle is more of a Roadside Picnic scenario except instead of ants finding the remains of a picnic it’s a crashed b-21 full of weaponized parasitic wasps. It’s still incomprehensible to the ants.

>>212394892
>The xenos are essentially "anti life", and their relationship with life is analogous to the relationship between matter and antimatter; they annihilate each other.

Did you rip this from that Alien3 screenplay? That was Bishop's assessment of the Xenos.

>>212390862
Or like Demons from last Hellboy ending

>>212397796
i feel like some random hobo can easily defeat this heroes.

I wouldn't explain it at all because it doesn't matter

It has to be a Gollum montage where an engineer goes underground and slowly turns into an alien.

maybe there were like alien mushrooms on a distant moon in the solar system of the engineers and they explored it and then they breathed that shit in and it then turned into somekind of space aids which spread by sex and they had alot of sex and then it would just evolve into some sort of parasitic virus-esque lifeform that would turn into facehuggers and take on other lifeforms to evolve even further, or something

>>212387532 (OP)
I like the explanation given in the prequels.
The classic biomechanical xenos are the result of the engineers and subsequently humans truing to reverse engineer alien DNA that they found. The original Deacon xeno that the engineers found remains a mystery.

>>212402225
You watched prequels using you asshole? Aliens were literally made by android in a cave with a bunch of scraps!

All what was left from engineers is retards who run up to see the ship like some tribal cavemen

>"DONT EXPLAIN IT OH LAWDY"
This place is overrun by absolute midwit mongrels that have no fucking clue about horror, mystery, and fiction. No wonder that you also wank all over such a shit nobody writer like Lovecraft.
This "MUH UNKNOWN" cliche only works if you confine that idea in a single primitive film, like the original Alien did, being basically a slasher flick, but with a space monster instead of serial killer.
If you want to make a more complex movie, or multiple films, you can't simply masturbate the same expositionless concept – it will get stale pretty quick.
Moreover, the Alien is a cultural staple, was dissected and sucked dry through decades already. Why would you even bother nowadays to do something with this franchise if you don't want to explore it, but rather just copy all the existing tropes all over again?

>>212387532 (OP)
The planet from Alien was their abandoned outpost but all that hinted at it was too expensive to put in the movie.

They're my exes.

>>212387841
>created by the outer gods
According to Dan O'Bannon they are blood relatives of Yog-Sothoth.

>>212387532 (OP)
I retcon everything after Alien and call the people involved small dicked retards. It did not need a sequel.

>>212387532 (OP)
Mogo