What the fuck did I just watch.
This movie started off so strong. Then the kid went full retard, his mom somehow killed a zombie with her bare hands even though she was on deaths door, they found a magic baby that doesn’t need food, and then the kid joins a troupe of faggots?

Is this some sort of allegory about the pipeline from being a retarded kid to getting preyed on by pedos?

Best film of the year

>>212397713 (OP)
You watched kino.

>>212398534
It started out kino and spiraled into stupidity

>>212398575
Filtered

>>212397713 (OP)
I appreciated the creativity that went into the camera effects, but they were very distracting ngl. The scene with the doctor was oddly touching. But the first hour was chef’s kiss. The bit where they encounter the slug zombies in the forest felt like a bizzare, medieval fantasy horror. Like something out of Berzerk. I’m interested to see more of that

>>212399023
Sequel is being directed by the chick who made nu Candyman and The Marvels and I've no clue what her style is like.

>>212399658
It’s concerning that Boyle isn’t directing all three of this new trilogy

>>212397713 (OP)
filtered
garlandkino wins again

>>212400603
I'm worried about the Garland + Negress combo

>>212400603
Why would they think this is a good idea after the star wars sequels

>>212397713 (OP)
It's an occult film. I can't completely articulate a full, well-reasoned exposition on my intuition, but I've picked up on occult symbols, such as:

Four teletubbies, representing the four traditional elements in alchemy (earth, air, fire, water).

The two alphas; the first one that sort-of looks like Jesus is Messiah Ben-Joseph in Rabbinical Judaism. The second one that is named 'Samson' is Messiah Ben-David. Rabbinical and Kabbalistic Jews believe that Jesus, the false messiah in their view, paved the way for Messiah Ben-David by destroying idolatry in gentile nations, making them worship the Jewish god, YHWH, as God.

The doctor either represents Esau or an alchemist that has completed the Great Work (since fire is the final stage towards the Philosopher's Stone).

The killing of the Swedish soldier by Samson represents the eradication of White European masculinity.

I'm tired and I want to sleep. I'll leave this here as well: the director, Dan Boyle, says he is a "spiritual atheist." Basically, what I'm alluding to is that Dan Boyle is an occultist and a Luciferian. I'll have to rewatch the film and ponder on the themes more to formulate a coherent system for how all the occult elements fit together, and which to discard if they do not mesh well with the others.

>>212400603
I think it is cheaper for him not to direct the bone temple, he is still looking for funding with the third film

>>212401576
More on the Teletubbies, compare their colors to this engraving of the four traditional elements in alchemy:

>>212401704
Also, the scene where Spike and his mother go into the gas station filled with gasoline vapor, the gas station is yellow, representing Air in alchemy. In Alchemy, Air emanates from the interaction between Fire and Water. The sign on the gas station also says 'Hell.'

>>212401576
It's deeply occult and anti-white. Everyone in this thread needs to watch The Wyatt Stagg video on 28 days later.

>>212403105
How about I don't and just enjoy the well made kino on the screen without thinking everything has an agenda. And yes, I'm aware there is an agenda, and you know what me being aware of it isn't going to do? Fix it. You know what no one else is gonna do? Fix it.

>>212397713 (OP)
I thought they were alluding to the fact the virus after all these years became airborne and now essentially everyone is "infected" and has the rage in them, some may time longer than others for it to become stronger if at all. But nope, LE CANCER LOL.

>>212397713 (OP)
less of the schizo indian editing and should have been more about lindesfarne and how they've just adapted to medieval lifestyle. the fuck did they not show the castle? should have had some leader living in it. should have atleasted filmed Bamburgh too.

the whole tide path thing is a cool plot point that should have showed "zombies" adapting to waiting for the tide to come out and hordes just always charging for the gates. like a constant threat to the island and shit or show smarter virus ones using shit to try float over.

Once again a movie where nothing fucking happens.

>>212397713 (OP)
the boy spike is icsh

>pivotal threatening moment
>kid falls over putting experienced character in danger
i really fucking hate this trope

>>212403105
Just watched this guys video on Gattaca. Retarded drivel and you should be embarrased anon. He bases his entire argument, that the film is an esoteric reading of the jewish relationship with the European, on the fact that Hawke's character is an 'other' and the film makes reference to the number 7. Schizoid nonsense desu, and its a great film and I won't see it slandered.

>>212401576
>The killing of the Swedish soldier by Samson represents the eradication of White European masculinity.
>>212403105
>It's deeply occult and anti-white

i'm sorry to tell you this fellas but you both have severe self inflicted brain damage

he cute

>>212403105
>It's deeply occult and anti-white. Everyone in this thread needs to watch The Wyatt Stagg video on 28 days later.
Forget your meds again, anon?

>>212404285
Nigga that's a kid

>>212404996
a cute kid

>Jimmy doesn't get infected in the intro and turn into the alpha
>"infected" didn't evolve like in "I am a legend"
>The world outside of bongland is perfectly fine
>lets crush the zombies at close distance at the end eventhough the first movie tells you how one split of blood in your eye contaminates you

>>212399658
Her style is ''follow Garland's exact command'', I assume

>>212397713 (OP)
>What the fuck did I just watch.
A combination of Welcome to zombieland: chav edition + Left 4 Dead + Power Rangers

>>212397713 (OP)
Legitimately one of the worst films I've seen in a while. It is just an advertisement for the next film. It is a travesty that a film with such incredible sound design and some genuinely beautiful cinematography was so pointless and bereft of any sort of significance as a film on its own. It is totally devoid of anything but the most shallow themes of loss and death, it says absolutely nothing new or interesting, and because the entire film is just a big setup for the sequel the plot feels halfassed and nonsensical.

Truly a fucking horrible movie that has no right to be released on its own in this state.

>>212401576
>>212403105
>the /x/ and /pol/ schizos left their containment boards
Awwww shieeet!

>>212403105
Wyatt, who does very heavy research on every video, obviously did not read the movie's script. Cannot name the writer. Gets basic plot details and quoted lines of dialogue wrong.

He is a cuckold fetishist who just likes to stand around gaping at how thoroughly he is being owned by the presence of numbers in the background of random movie scenes.

>>212404220
His responses to a couple of questions in the comments made it overwhelmingly obvious he has no idea who Andrew Niccol is and assumes that all movies are made by a generalised mass of Jewish people based in Hollywood. He will never explain what his "research" process is.

>>212405855
Jimmy's just that fucking badass. Since the next movie is about "evil", I imagine some act of immaturity on Jimmy's part might start things on a dark trajectory. Quite possibly that might be getting one of his friends killed doing something totally unnecessary.

>>212406370
The movie isn't mindblowingly complex, but it is very rich in meaning start to finish. If parts struck you as pointless you probably weren't getting it. I would be happy to run through particular sequences with you if you'd like.

>>212401576
>>212401704
>>212403105
>they used Das Rheingold music for the killing of the first alpha
what does that mean, occult-kun?
wha

>>212397713 (OP)
Boyle-slop

>>212406679
>If parts struck you as pointless you probably weren't getting it
No, the parts that struck me as pointless were the obvious sequel baiting, like the completely unexplained cult on the island, the ending, how alphas are relevant, why the baby wasn't infected.

Adding to that there are absurdities in the film that took me out of it: how a modern warship ship sank due to rocks off the coast of Scotland, how the doctor has a seemingly infinite supply of morphine and iodine after almost 30 years, how that alpha could keep breathing after piercing both lungs with arrows, how Spike and his Mom survived the gas explosion, how they are so careless about blood splattering everywhere when they kill a zombie (this was addressed one time but ignored completely the rest of the movie), how idiotic it is to leave the British Isles as an infected breeding ground for nearly 30 years when it would take one lucky idiot with a boat to end the entire world.

You watched slop for indians

>>212406873
The "sequel bait" ending also serves as a bookend to accompany the film's opening, which otherwise was largely irrelevant to everything else we saw.

It's Jimmy. The kid from the opening. He survived and is an adult. This movie is primarily a coming of age story for Spike. He's a boy who starts growing into manhood through extreme experiences *which he has older and more experienced and responsible men to guide him through*.

Jimmy undeniably went through some extreme experiences. Probably far more extreme than Spike. But Spike was guided and protected by his father, while Jimmy lost his. Jimmy grew and became capable, but he may not have matured and truly become a rounded and complete man. Jimmy naively hero-worships a British meme-celebrity (who after 2002 was revealed to be a deeply deranged and disturbed person), and takes cruel pleasure in torturing and massacring the infected in childish displays of bravado and flashy martial arts.

Over the film we see Spike on track to become a good man through the careful enculturing experiences of his people and other mature men. In Jimmy we see a sinister reminder of why human beings need cultivation, love, and the inherited wisdom of culture. He's a deranged manchild radiating menace. His initials are JC and he wears his father's cross upside down. Rather than maturing he became the opposite of the vicar-father he saw fail him. He has become the antichrist of the new britain.

The "cult" on the island is a playful allusion to The Wicker Man. Without the modern world and the information age they now form quaint natural traditions among themselves which are probably the foundations of a new benign religiosity. And the different behaviours and quirks of the infected are to remind us of at the same time animal natures and their underlying humanity, both of which warrant respect.

Otherwise, I just give movies a break. Boat sank? Lots of iodine? Sure. Whatever. I accepted the rage virus already. I'm having fun.

>>212407036
You completely pulled ALL of that out of your ass.

>>212407099
Jimmy wears the cross upside down. You can probably look up that scene again somewhere online to check. People are saying it everywhere. What part of this strikes you as unbelievable?

Are you going to say that the man who wrote 'The Beach' and the director of 'Millions' would never make a coming of age story?

>>212407036
Anthony, this is unrelated to the thread, but I must ask you: How do you rationalize Hideo Kojima partnering with Jordan Peele and making an Unreal Engine game? Not an attack, I know you like Kojima a lot, so I am interested in how you go about that.

>>212397713 (OP)
no? it's the same retarded writing as the last two movies man

>>212407186
Yeah he wears the cross upside down because in the opening scene his father mistook the infection for God's judgement and basically comitted suicide in a fit of religious insanity, Jimmy clearly doesn't follow the same path as his father and that inversion is reflected in the upside-down cross. To Jimmy the cross represents God's wrath and he stands in defiance of it by refusing to capitulate to the infected and slaughtering them where he finds them. It isn't that deep.

>>212407214
Well this is a fucking awkward night to be posting on 4chan.

I haven't played Death Stranding 2 yet but from what I hear Kojima is kind of suffering the fate of SUDA51 and SWERY but slower. Basically just being too nice because he's Japanese. And having an overly optimistic read on the state of American culture because he's Japanese.

Even though he can write sharp politics I don't think Kojima is a particularly neurotic or plugged in guy when it comes to making sense of the world. I think the Japanese can punch massively above their weight in writing that makes sense of the world just because they aren't absurdly loaded down with bad memes and bad spiritual baggage like we are. It's like I keep saying about notes from the author in manga. They all have the same bright and naive tone as a pet-blogger even if they're writing absurd ultraviolent rapemaxxed seinen or existential epics on the nature of power and death. You can just do that if you don't have Jewish people in your cultural stream.

It's double-edged of course. If they leave Japan they're suddenly naive and ill-equipped to understand the culture-terror regime we live under.

>>212407305
I don't really see anything you've written here as contrary to what I wrote. Yes. Jimmy appears to reject his father and his view of the world and the fate of man. More than flipping the cross, he lives as a spiritual inversion of his father. He is exuberant, flamboyant, eager to face life head on. He meets his fate laughing at the novelty of the day, not tearfully meeting his fate in a state of spiritual exhaustion.

Also my specific read is that Jimmy's appearance is meant to be *Celtic*. We get the invocation of the Anglo-Saxons. Then Erik the "viking". Then Spike goes north and meets jovial and flamboyant blonde haired warriors with a lust for life and a cruelly fatalistic outlook. Spike is living through a twisted memory of what England was. Now he's meeting the Celts. That doesn't seem like a stretch to me in the slightest.

Problem is people went in not expecting something weird. It wasn't as good as 28 days later but at least it didn't try to replicate it and I'd say it's better than 28 weeks later which isn't a bad movie. This is one of those sum of all parts ones. If the other 2 flicks are equally enjoyable and engaging and flesh out the story whilst existing on their own like say Red Riding trilogy well then you can kick up that score a bit. I had two teenage girls walk out of my screening cause I told them to shut the fuck up. Either that or they really hated the movie enough to make a videocall 20 minutes in.

>>212407425
>I don't really see anything you've written here as contrary to what I wrote.
The difference is what I wrote can actually be inferred based upon the information the movie provides and what you wrote is pure headcanon bullshit that will almost certainly be disproven in the sequel. And Jimmy's appearance is just looking exactly like Jimmy Savile, which is clearly something that the sequel will elaborate on in what I'm sure will be a very boring and uninteresting fashion; [everything henceforth is pure speculation] like a straight up face to face conversation about why Jimmy dresses like a retard and him just responding saying he likes Jimmy Savile and it's funny because in 28 Days universe Jimmy was never outed for being a rapist, and then it is never referenced again.

>>212407371
Hm, I was guessing you would say something like that, thank you Lord Anthony-sama, please never stop writing. Arigato gozaimashita

>>212407488
>I had two teenage girls walk out of my screening cause I told them to shut the fuck up
Did you watch the movie in Newmarket yesterday? I just witnessed this happen.

>>212401576
you guys have no idea what occult it is

>>212407530
I can show you interviews and quotes from Boyle and Garland about how these films are about coming of age and finding yourself. The first film is about Jim waking up as a figurative "baby" naked and helpless and becoming a man. Weeks is an interlude carried by a different creative team, still centrally about a family's dynamics.

Then Years is back to Boyle and Garland's original interest only more directly now. The film being about a child is the most natural thing in the world. Every step of the movie is about Spike growing in maturity.

Which specific things that I've said strike you as implausible or unlikely? Even the Celt thing is barely a step at all when the film is spamming us with images of England's ethnic history and then Erik the Scandinavian who arrives on a primitive boat calls himself a "viking".

Danny Boyle almost became a Catholic priest, and my belief is that he still kind of is one (he even concedes this himself, calls directing movies a priestly calling). I think that in the mind of Boyle the vikings and Celts are spiritually immature cultures (look at their representatives) while Kelson's druidic appearance and nature is presented as an ideal. The maturity and respect for the world of a tired Christian but with an openness toward life and the future. If Kelson is good religion and a good distilled ideal of British ethnos and culture, Jimmy is going to be a bad ideal.

They've said themselves the second movie is going to be far darker. The first film is about love and family. The second film is about "human evil". You can very easily find footage of Boyle saying this.

>>212407662
I absolutely agree with your interpretation of Erik and I picked up on Kelson essentially being a druid as well, especially with regards to his ever-burning fires. I disagree entirely with your interpretation of Jimmy, I think you're just making excuses for a legitimately bad aspect of the film which serves almost exclusively to tell the viewer to watch the sequel. Maybe I'll be wrong but there's no telling unless I watch the second movie, which I probably won't do, at least probably not in theaters. I understand what Boyle was going for (mostly) but I think the way he went about doing it was awful and he was a lot more concerned with selling his sequel than telling any coherent narrative in this film.

>>212407569
Negative but I'm guessing a lot of teens went into this expecting the final destination flick that happened months ago and got a thoughtful, scrap book edited, snooze fest for them. There are some dull moments no doubt but high highs on this one for me. Alpha kills. Everything with Ralph Feinnes. Even the dumbass ending.

the guy who is here 24/7 obsessively ranting about what the movie is about is one of the jewish writers seething at being exposed by /ourguy/ Wyatt Stagg.

just get over it, shlomo.

I don’t think enough has been said about the feminist and queer shit going on in this movie.

First of all, Spike is clearly a faggot. He fails at his coming-of-age trial. He doesn’t fit in with the culture of his island. He grows to hate his father. His tale is the classic queer tale, but it actually seems like Boyle is casting it in a negative light, like warning against it. More on this later.

The feminist elements of this movie are fantastical and mystical.
1) Spike’s true coming of age is to steal his mother from his father and become her father and hero
2) Infected women are able to give birth to uninfected babies due to “the magic of the placenta”
3) The female child born in the movie requires no food. It’s literally inhuman in that it does not need any sustenance. It is a mystical being.
4) the female is the pinnacle of the memento mori

The feminist coming-of-age serves as the key in Spikes gay story arc:
1) it begins with failure to meet male norms and continues with the rejection of the father
2) as many gays do, Spike lashes out in destructive and over the top ways against his society by burning the building
3) the Oedipal journey with mom is what actualizes his identity
4) decides not to return home, as many gays do after high school or college, and explore his newfound identity
5) finds a community of people like him to mentor him in his newfound identity

Cont.

>>212407929
2/2
The more I reflect on it, it almost seems like a cautionary tale against being queer. A praise of norms. Why?
1) the island society isn’t perfect, but high functioning
2) there is no way you can construe Spikes burning of the building as “the right thing to do”. Seems like Boyle is highlighting the destructive nature of queers rejecting their entire existence
3) Jimmy is dressed like Jimmy Savile, the faggot pedophile. Jimmy is clearly a bad person in the universe of the film, as evidenced with his name being carved on people ritualistically murdered.
In short, Jimmy and his troupe of faggots represent adults waiting to prey on disaffected queer youth.
Boyle is showing that after rejecting societal norms, queers are dumb enough to fall in with groups of pedophiles and criminals, believing that they have found their community, when their true community is normal society.

The film seems to be a tragedy about the foolishness of being queer.

>>212407815
They wouldn't make Jimmy the intro and coda if they didn't have serious plans for him. They're openly talking in interviews about how the second movie is about him and the darkness in him.

They did make two movies at once, so the idea is there's more to see of Jimmy. But I also believe this movie works on its own and Jimmy plays a role in filling out the thematic picture. His two scenes are enough to establish his life story as an inversion of Spike's. Spike grows through guidance and mentored experiences while Jimmy misgrows due to losing the adults and his entire world and being left alone to pick up the pieces himself. His bizarre, cruel, and juvenile appearance at the end says all of this.

>>212407841
Alex Garland is 3/4 English 1/4 Lebanese (his grandfather was a scientific genius who grew up in Brazil with Lebanese parents).

>>212407929
His father takes him to the "ritual" early because he wants an excuse to avoid his responsibilities to his sick wife. His father is the failed man. Spike is a 12 year old who gets attacked by a humanoid dire-wolf and its pack because of his father's irresponsible whims. Considering that he does okay. His father is easy on because he obviously didn't know what to do either, but is also guilty because *he* fucked up and endangered them.

There is nothing gay about spike or feminist about the events of this movie. You're just saying random things involving his mother are "feminist". What was he meant to do? Put fucking *Erik* on top of the cairn?

Spike doesn't fail to meet male norms. He's able to kill dangerous infected and survive in the wilderness by himself by the end of the movie. And most importantly, he decides for himself what he values and believes in. You're casting deference to tradition and social norms as masculinity heterosexuality, which is fucking absurd.

>>212408111
If you can’t read the feminist tropes between the lines then you aren’t smart enough to interpret film

>>212407929
>>212407944
Holy projection post. I understood it more as the point of childhood when you lose your innocence. You realize your parents are just normal people trying to get by like everyone else. Your come to face with your parent’s mortality, and the kid inside you doesn’t want to let go. Growing up is terrifying, the world is terrifying. But death is an inevitable part of life, you should come to terms with it, rather than be paralyzed by it. Memento Mori

>>212408111
Oh they have serious plans for Jimmy, in the sequel. I understand they are making two films at once but that doesn't excuse leaving half or more of the shit in this movie on the backburner to be concluded in the next film, that makes it a BAD MOVIE.

>>212408111
>to avoid his responsibilities to his sick wife.
which resposabilities? do you expect him to cure terminal cancer? do you think because a person sick life around that person must stop?
>His father is the failed man.
how? in what way is he a failed man? he's perfectly integrated in his feudal community ad able to survive a dangerous situation while teaching his son how to survive.

>>212408168
Spike didn’t just “realize his parents were flawed”. He witnessed his father’s flaws and flew into an irrational hatred of his father and worship of his mother. His actions are irrational and very clearly so. His behavior mirrors that of a child who foolishly rejects there father and flees home, destroying the fabric of their family. Not a regular growing human who recognizes that their parents are flawed.

>>212408207
*do you think because a person is sick then life around that person must stop?

>>212408148
No he is right, there is nothing pointing to "feminism" and especially "queerness" in this movie. It's about a kid outgrowing his parents' dominion and becoming a man in his own right. Not only that, but becoming a better man than his father, and outgrowing his home entirely, becoming someone willing to risk his life in the wilderness than remain in a sheltered but ultimately doomed life on the island. Absolutely nothing about sexuality.

>>212408241
“The Magic of the placenta” - an actual line of the film, reads like it was written by a feminist academic. Women literally cure Rage. Just by being women. It’s feminist.

>>212408207
I'm not saying he has to sit by her bedside. It's clear that there largely *is* nothing he can do. And he doesn't like that. He wants to do *something* for the sake of action and decides to use Spike as an excuse to get off the island for a while and then party. Calling him a 'failed man' is a bit much but if we're talking about people failing to be masculine ideals Jamie is an imperfect husband and father, even if still a decently rounded man for the most part.

>>212408271
It's about nature. The druid says that. Women don't cure rage. The humanity within the infected re-emerges in the form of new, pure life.

>>212408232
He escapes a pointless slow death on a tiny island with his mother, who is succumbing to that fate already physically via cancer, to live adventurously on the mainland. It is basic as fuck, I'm sure the sequel will reveal the true nature of the island as a place of death and paradoxically reveal the mainland as a place of life. The islanders have essentially given up, the only hope for Britain is to take the mainland back, even it it means risking it all. The only alternative is a slow, meaningless death on a rock in the sea, even Erik talks about inbreeding which will wipe out the island eventually.

>>212408271
Once again this is another "WATCH LE SEQUEL FOR MORE INFO!" moment. I'm sure it will be explained, in the near future, after you buy another ticket. That is why I'm calling this a bad movie.

>>212408271
>“The Magic of the placenta”

>>212408346
I don't think he is a bad father or setting a bad example, he is just a reflection of the stifling effect that life on the island has upon the human soul. He is an absolute nihilist, he has no dream for a future, he just brutally survives, but there is more to life than that, and Spike reveals that to him by leaving, taking his Mom, and then giving the island a miraculous baby and disappearing yet again, he is essentially saving the island by showing them that there is more beyond the horizon and that a slow death in an enclave is not worth anything.

>>212397713 (OP)
>>212398575
How far in to the movie before it gets gay?

>>212408346
>>212408350
You are just hand-waving away all of the symbolism in a highly symbolic film. That’s not an argument. It is very clearly about coming of age in a masculine society and finding an alternate way. This alternate way includes the rejection of the father and stealing his wife, Oedipal to its core. At the very least it is Freudian in the essential role of the mother in Spikes true coming of age.

>>212408346
>He wants to do *something* for the sake of action and decides to use Spike as an excuse to get off the island for a while and then party.
literally nothing wrong with that
LIFE GOES ON
their only coward choice was not to euthanize the woman, thankfully for everyone involved she magically recovers herself enough time to express her desire to die

>>212408448
Jimmy and the gay-coded super zombie fighters don’t appear until the last 5 minutes. Other than that the gay is in the interpretation.

My best guess is that they shot the trailer footage first before figuring out what story they wanted to tell.
This was probably originally a netflix show but nobody took the deal so they had to splice it together and turn it into a movie. Only reason why things feel like they're simultaneously moving too fast while constantly missing out key details.

>>212408429
>He is an absolute nihilist, he has no dream for a future, he just brutally survives,
what? they totally have a future, they have a strong society based on personal relationships

>>212408522
My guess is that they were trying to film a romantic comedy about brexit but through an improbable comedy of errors accidentally made a zombie movie.

>>212408486
I don't know why you're wasting your time arguing with dummies who are so incapable of reading between the lines that they will resort to hostility towards anyone who even tries to interpret anything.
I'm an absolute codemonkey artlet with zero ability for spiritual imagination and even I picked up on the majority of the points you made in this thread (even if I may not have been able to articulate them eloquently). The most obvious thing to pick up about the movie is the very tradition coming of age story for a boy, learning to become a man. Breaking the patterns of his father who misguidedly tries to be an example of manhood through bravado and sexual dominance, and instead becoming the TRUE masculine ideal through courage and protection of those weaker than himself (his sick mom). Seeing feminism and wokeness in this story is truly demented. Then some of the more cultural/historical themes are obvious: the coexistence and conflicts of different spiritualities in britain (druidism with Kelson, catholicism with Jimmy's dad, norse with Erik). And more shit I didn't necessarily pick up on.

>>212408508
Almost forgot about the infamous Bong pedo they put in the movie lol
Although I'm sure with faggot words you just used like "gay-coded" the movie has definitely limited the overt faggotry to just that last 5 minutes

>>212408241
>>212408271
>>212408346
>>212408386
>>212408429
>>212408448
>>212408486
i have a theory about what happened and it actually makes perfect sense

garland was sitting there writing the script, about a dad and son embarking on a quest to train the boy and maybe meet a doctor to look at the mom, simple premise.

garland asked his wife to take a look at the script.

his wife walks in, takes a gander at the scripts tells him:
>its an okay script, ally, but ill tell you whats missing. i think they should leave the capable toxic father behind, because his just a cheating asshole like all men, and the son and mother should go out on their own and hmmmm how about his, how about the mom, despite being a crazed cluster B nutjob riddled with brain cancer, about half way through the movie, goes full yas queen to help another female zombie and then a giant jason momoa-looking zombie with a giant dick - which we will show, we will show this giant jason momoa penis a lot - chases her because the giant penised jason momoa zombie might look like an enraged psychopath but actually hes a loving father unlike that PIECE OF SHIT white man back at the house who cheated on me.......i mean her. i mean cheated on the mom. put that in!
and then alex garland proceeded to re-write half the movie

>>212408654
Jimmy's dad is catholic? thought he was protestant

>>212408654
>>212408667
Good points. I didn’t get into the historical shit, but it absolutely permeates the movie, and I don’t think it’s negative. The comparison of the young boys to soldiers throughout britains history seems complimentary.

>>212408713
I thought he was a Calvinist scot

>>212408654
>the TRUE masculine ideal through courage and protection of those weaker than himself (his sick mom)
sorry but I dont see the father failing to show courage and protection, he excels at it in their trip through the mainland
he shows violence when confronted by the kid about his infidelity but that's it

>>212408645
I have been holding off on the Brexit interpretation but unfortunately a pretty decent analysis of the film is the rediscovery of Britain post-Brexit (represented by the virus and subsequent excommunication of Britain from the world). You have all the historical origins of the British people making their appearance in the movie, you have the historical footage, you have the village yokels happy to continue a meaningless primitive existence in total isolation forever who stand in contrast to the starry eyed protagonist who goes on a journey to save Britain (his Mom Isla, as in the British Isles) from post-Brexit annihilation. He fails to save old Britain, but saves a miracle baby and names it Isla, the new Britain, and delivers it as a symbol to the village of what could be if they desired a real future for the nation instead of stagnation on a rock.

That is what the movie is really about but it is so distasteful of a narrative I have held off on saying it thus far. Unfortunately I can't deny it any longer, it's a fucking Brexit movie.

>>212408797
Also the Isla = old Britain concept really hits home when you consider she is living in a delusion of the dead past the entire movie and can't see the present for what it truly is. The old Britain has to sadly die, she goes on the top of the Memento Mori out of respect, and then she is left behind and the new Britain is nurtured in her place, post-Brexit Britain, a pure and virus-free Britain that may some day again interface with the international community. I'm sure the sequel will revolve entirely around the survival of this baby and it will come down to the yokels wanting to kill it and live in a permanent dark age versus the enlightened protagonist and his band of merry men trying to save the future of Britain.

>>212408713
I could be getting this wrong, with it being the UK he could have been protestant indeed. The point being the lingering cultural impacts of those old (but not quite forgotten) and new religions and cultures. The idea that after a zombie apocalypse, some of the survivors, living in isolation, would revert back to ancient celtic ways of living is interesting.

>>212408775
The father practices violence because he enjoys it. He's come to despise the infected and goes to the mainland to hunt them for sport. Maybe he wasn't always like this, and he just ended up becoming like that out of habit and living in this situation, but that's what he became nonetheless.
Spike learns that capacity for violence and decides he doesn't enjoy it, but he's still capable of doing it if he needs to defend himself or someone close to him. It's a pretty traditional idea of "virtuous violence".
That's the difference between them, and again, a pretty common theme in coming of age stories. Dad's a paragon of masculinity based on the current societal standards. Men want to be him, women want to be with him (and he doesn't mind going for a little romp behind the hay bales), and everyone loves him and respects him because he likes to kill their enemies. The son decides all this violence and reveling in it is fucked up, and discovers his own way to be a virtuous man beyond the limitations of his father, which involves the capacity for violence as a means of defense, but not as the default, and without the cruel enjoyment of it. I couldn't tell you how many fucking books I read that were basically this exact story.

>>212408926
This ignores that Jimmy is clearly a villain. He won’t be the one to save the baby. He is literally the image of Jimmy Savile and he carves his name into people and hangs them up.

Of course, this could be subverted. Perhaps the JIMMYs on corpses and shit is all a psy-op planted by the villagers to keep their children from joining the fabulous gay outsiders. I can see this being the case. The reason he is dressed like Savile is to further his role of scapegoat- saying that normals use people like Savile as scapegoats to blame all gays for pedophilia

>>212401576
The word you're looking for is "esoteric", not occult. And no, it's not that either, it's what anyone who has done an English Lit class will know as pretentious analysis, where you make up whatever bullshit you like and say that's what's intended. I believe you zoomers now call it "media literacy".

>>212397713 (OP)
Yes, it's a big stinky turd.

>>212409024
You realize that Boyle is a product of those English classes that taught him to analyze of everything on many levels? Art geeks make esoteric symbolic shit.

>>212409070
And you realise that Boyle is also a hack now and has no deeper thoughts in his films than "what camera gimmick can I use this time"? His closest attempt at being esoteric was having the cheesy ""Father, why have you forsaken me?" me line in the intro.

>>212409009
is enjoying violence an evil trait in a society that only can be maintained through violence? they're continuously under attack of the rage of the infected. I guess the morality of this poinnt depends more on the (still unknown) nature of the infected than anything else.
He doesnt seem to enjoy the violence against his son, he is embarrased about it the very next moment.

>>212409160
That’s not true though. The movie is full of symbolism.

>>212409223
There’s no indication that he enjoys violence. It’s more that he accepts it as a prerequisite for existence. Violence is glorified by the filmmakers themselves as something that connects the British to their ancestors.

>>212409230
>Alas, poor Eric. I didnt know him at all.

>>212397713 (OP)
the extreme fumbles for me that brought it down were
>jimmy's priest father being a parody of a religious character who somehow thinks that the infected are a good rapture thing but at the same time doesn't want them to get to his son (after his mother and sister are killed or infected)
>the jimmy gang's acrobatics (the idea of some roaming gang dressed like that is fun and random, them dispatching zombies like circus animals is not)
>touching an infected and helping it give birth and then taking a screaming soft infant that will inevitably attract infected at the worst time conceivable with you who MAY OR MAY NOT be a carrier of the virus
>the dad not being in more of the film
>people talking loudly when they're in dangerous places where noise can definitely attract attention that will get you killed
other than that I enjoyed it a whole lot, but it really shot itself in the foot with several of these things while it also tried to deliver more serious themes. for me it's a net positive.

>>212397713 (OP)
They copied the Army of the Dead

>>212409223
>Is enjoying violence an evil trait in a society that only can be maintained through violence?
Yes. Virtuous societies that practice controlled violence as a necessary means to an end (protection and survival), often will devolve into societies that practice violence as an end in and of itself, out of habit I guess, which is a bad thing.

Spike's dad in this case, is pictured as having become accustomed and comfortable enough with violence that he *could* be able to direct it towards those he is meant to protect out of anger (although he doesn't cross that line and punches a wall instead).

>>212409230
Only if you're desperate to pretend there is. Otherwise, it's not symbolic at all, it's literal.

>>212405855
it would have been interesting to see one of the alphas prior to infection, maybe in an intro or flashback. hopefuly they use that in the next movie!
>>212405855
>the world outside bongland is fine
I mean, yeah, why wouldn't it be? They constantly patrol as shown, and quarantine is so severe that anyone who even gets stranded is never allowed to leave again. The one thing I was missing was an explanation as to what happened after the end epilogue of 28 Weeks Later. My headcanon is that they literally just nuked Paris to REALLY be sure.

>>212406873
>warship sunk
I am assuming it was just a small patrol boat, since there were only like 10 of them. Still not a tiny vehicle, but not a hangar ship.
>leave the british isles alone
they tried to go in once and it lead to thousands dying and a spread to mainland europe that must have been incredibly costly in lives as well. they're not taking any chances, thus the patroling by several nations (or just nato) along the coastline to make sure nothing makes it out of there.

>>212409604
>The one thing I was missing was an explanation as to what happened after the end epilogue of 28 Weeks Later
I suspect 28 Weeks isn't even canon in the 28 Years universe honestly, I got the impression that everything in that movie was rendered completely irrelevant or straight up didn't even happen.

>>212409708
they could have had the swedish soldier mention it in passing at least, though idk how natural that would have sounded
>damn this as unlucky as that one time a carrier got off mainland britain 28 years and 30 days ago and we had to nuke paris which just so happened to contain the entire spread at the time!

>>212397713 (OP)
There's problems all the way through, but for me they are most easily condensed down to that last part.
>bunch of kids turn up dressed like Jimmy Saville, despite bright colours being more easily spotted and so would attract more infected
>their fighting style is hand-to-hand, with flips and grappling, despite that being the easiest way to not only get infect blood on you, but also to throw it around at others
>make tons of noise all the time, constantly putting them under threat of more infected
It's like the writer didn't bother to sit down and think for one second about what might actually filter out as a viable survival approach after 28 years of dealing with infected, and just picked the most ludicrous and flamboyant style possible, at the cost of any immersion into the film. And that happens fairly often through the rest of it, things happen that would make sense if you're brand new to a zombie world, but if you've lived it for almost 30 years it would be ridiculous.

I think the reason it sucks, not just because the story is boring and doesn't really go anywhere, is that it feels lazy and less grounded than the previous installments. Danny Boyle was more concerned about getting Matrix-spin shots (which isn't even groundbreaking in the least) for a couple of minutes of the movie than he was at creating an actually decent movie.

>>212409708
The opening of 28 Years directly acknowledges the ending of 28 Weeks though. It mentions that infected managed to reach France and start fucking shit up, but NATO forces manages to push them back and quarantine Great Britain. Hence the patrol ships and Erik being in the movie.

>>212401576
It's the new watered down version of woke.
>>212403105
you triggered all the likes in this thread.

>>212397713 (OP)
> Is this some sort of allegory about the pipeline from being a retarded kid to getting preyed on by pedos?

You know, that maybe right. And that makes it even more kino

>>212400603
I guess they made it like this so she could almost direct the sequel at the same time and save on money. It was reportedly cheaper and Boyle is still directing the third one. My guess is that she will just copy what Boyle was doing.

>>212397713 (OP)
They explicitly say that the baby will die without milk, that's why he brings her to the village

>>212411013
it'll be all off of Boyle's storyboards and from Garland's script, she will be directing the scenes at the locations.

>>212410904
REEEE BUT HOW DID ZOMBIES LEARN TO EAT I NEED TO HAVE THAT EXPLAINED TO ME LIKE I'M RETARDED FOR SOME REASON

>>212412354
That's explained too. The infected aren't zombies, they need to eat to survive.

>>212408448
Like 30-45 minutes

>>212405855
>make a point of having the mum get splashed with infected blood and the kid wiping it off in a panic
>10 minutes later Sven mag dumps an infected whilst the mother and son are stood 1 foot away from it and nobody cares

>>212401576
>Rabbinical and Kabbalistic Jews believe that Jesus, the false messiah in their view, paved the way for Messiah Ben-David by destroying idolatry in gentile nations, making them worship the Jewish god, YHWH, as God.
>t. retarded kike

>>212407036
Jimmy's arc from the very beginning gets contradicted throughout the rest of the film. It literally establishes within the first 3 minutes that the infected are mindless, hostile, and violent beings after the little girls he was with are killed off screen with only their screams and cries.

But later on in the movie we have the birth scene with the infected and the mother, and the alpha being sedated by the doctor. These random elements of empathy 100% clash with the beginning of the film. Its bizarre how stupid it is.

>>212399658
I liked the look of the new Candyman so if she uses the same DP and style I’m fine with it. It'll definitely be affected by how 28 Years Later looked.

>>212412452
Yes, they've turned the rage virus into a retarded mcguffin.
>this virus totally turns you into a raging violent psycho that will leave you ripping people you love into pieces within a few minutes of exposure
>...But you can also be immune and just carry it with no symptoms!
>Oh.. .and uhhh you can also keep some logic going and become a hunter gather pack species with an alpha that performs fatalities
>also if you're going through birth contractions the virus goes away and you become a sympathetic human for a bit too!

From the first fucking movie with this asshole it's established that none of the retarded shit in the third movie should be happening.

Samson…

>>212412765
>the vaguely-defined made up not-zombie virus in my movie isn't internally consistent with my preconceptions that aren't particularly based on anything tangible nooooooo
>I'm losing my heckinerino minderinoooooo

>>212412945
>Hey guys let's come up with a dystopian infection plot where the virus itself is both insanely dangerous and also not a big deal whenever we feel like it

>>212412945
Not him, but you'd have to be retarded to not know how the virus works after seeing the first film. The zombies all died out within about 2 months, so 28 Years Later is just a retarded retcon.

>>212412945

>>212411013
I've never seen any of her works, but I can't say I'm excited after reading THR's article "The Alpha Zombie Will Return in Next ‘28 Years Later’ Movie"
>Bone Temple filmmaker DaCosta previously stepped into franchise fare with Marvel Studios’ The Marvels. That project did not work critically or financially, and DaCosta has been open about knowing it was a Marvel Studios movie, not really her own. But with Bone Temple, Boyle and writer-producer Garland say DaCosta did indeed get to make her own film.
>“I remember her saying, ‘I’m not going to make a Danny Boyle movie.’ She was absolutely clear about that. And she hasn’t,” says Boyle. “She’s made her own movie and it’s very strong. I think probably because of her experience, she knows what she wants to do now and how she wants to do it, and tells you up front."
I've never seen any of her films, but I'm going in with far lower expectations for Bone Temple since it's being done by a far less experienced American filmmaker. I still liked Boyle's work on Years, so hearing her claims sets up red flags.

>>212412651
Wow dude it almost sounds like there was some 28 years of difference between the opening scene and the rest of the movie and things like the virus evolved somewhat

>>212415141
I still have some hope since the script is solely written by Garland but we’ll see

>>212415224
>the virus le evolved into something convenient

>>212401576
We're reaching levels of cope that shouldn't even be possible.

>>212415141
Why did they pick her in particular? She's not a brit and the movie's dna is inherently british. It's such an odd choice.

>>212409604
>it would have been interesting to see one of the alphas prior to infection, maybe in an intro or flashback. hopefuly they use that in the next movie!
This is why I was so sure watching the trailers that the little boy from the intro was going to be the alpha and that the group lead by the alpha would be a great terror (the writing JIMMY IS HERE => I thought the alpha had a rep of being the ultimate boogeyman).
Turns out jimmy is just the leader of a bunch of clowns.

>>212415371
Well, yes. The virus evolved into something convenient for there to be a plot.

>>212415224
>virus went from a rabies type virus to video game zombie types
That's like if suddenly rabies evolved to make people become video game zombies. And that virus has been around since the dawn of time.

>>212415620
i'm gonna assume that the 2nd movie has some very on the nose "actually humans are the REAL monsters!!" writing with infected being humane or whatever and jimmy being a bad person

>>212415461
I'm guessing the cost of directorial services came in far lower for her than competing directors, and since Garland didn't want to direct they basically took a chance to save as much money as they could for the trilogy. I can't think of any other reason unless a Sony producer recommended her as a favor, since her background seems to be as American as you can get with her growing up in Brooklyn, New York. And with franchise's DNA being explicitly British like you said, it really does strike as extremely nonsensical, especially for any britaboos that also like the series.

>>212415859
Lol the virus in these movies is already fictional and has nothing to do with real life rabies beyond making the infected violent. The second movie already showed there were variants. And even in the first movie the infected retained some semblance of cognition and at least recognized the other infected as part of their group.

>>212403105
>Everything I don't like is because of DA JOOZ

Fuck off retard.

>>212415892
That’s just the first movie all over again

abysmal film

>>212416158
okay you got me there

>>212401805
>The sign on the gas station also says 'Hell.'
Yes, because Shell sell petrol here in the UK. The 'S' fell off and now you have 'hell', haha, isn't that funny? You're looking too deep into it.

>>212416121
Yeah it is fictional. But the first and second movie were fairly grounded as far as most things go. This was over the top video game bullshit. It may work fine in a series like Left4Dead or something because the whole plot took that into consideration from the start. Going from 2 grounded movies to utterly ridiculous video game schlock is a major leap. Not to mention all the other problems. This would be kinda campy as a stand alone film. As part of the 28 series it's downright retarded.

>>212412889
What do you think was his name for the Alpha who died?

>>212415740
You could still have a plot without a retarded "evolution" concept

>>212406040
The fuck?

>>212412286
Yeah. Exactly. The amount of time the baby goes without milk would kill it before it reaches the village

>>212417301
Jamal

>>212403949
As a Geordie I was enraged by the ridiculous geography of the film. The sailors wash ashore at Kielder dam, a reservoir fifty miles inland, and get chased down the spillway. Lindisfarne castle gets CGId out in some shots for some fucking reason.

>>212421753
>Lindisfarne castle gets CGId out in some shots for some fucking reason.
Because then people might think "oh thats right england has fucking castles. a heavily fortified position might be a lot better for them to be at than on some island that is easily exposed by the tide." And this is a slop movie made for retards. So they cut it out.

>>212412765
My headcanon is something changed with the virus with the mother in 28 weeks later. It got weaker in the sense it allowed for humans to retain some of their intelligence. And so since she was the new patient zero for the second wave of the outbreak thats why the infected in 28 years behave more like animals rather than mindless rage filled killing machines.