So Kidman's character was formerly an orgy girl right?

And the whole movie is basically Cruise's character coming to terms with his wife being a whore.

WOah Kubrick, what a flick!

nothing in the movie happened and was just cruise telling people about things he thought were happening

>incorrect preconception
>smug, moronic conclusion

>>212406486 (OP)
She sold the daughter without telling him

The whole movie is Kubrick warning the world that they are ruled over by elites that practice sex and death cultism

Why wouldn't they just initiate Bill into their circle? He was a well to do Jew York doctor who made house calls for billionaires. He was already moving in those circles to some degree. A young buck like him would go down a treat at a place like this. Makes no sense that they'd want to kick him out.

>>212406548
might have worked better to look into the camera and give evidence then instead of all this metaphor fart in the wind

>>212406530
>>212406486 (OP)
The point of the tempted housewife plot is to show that infidelity is the tip of a very deep iceberg. By knowingly going to places with horny models and underage whores and so on, Bill allows his family to become a small part of that world. His daughter is especially at risk, as Kubric subtly suggests at the end. She doesn't get fucking kidnapped like midwit redditors think, but she could be the next girl overdosing on a couch.

>>212406593
This guy gets the movie. The answer is that Bill's initiation had already begun when he saved the overdosing whore and agreed to keep it a secret. He's being groomed into the elite. That's why the pianist dies off camera but Cruise just gets a stern talking to and a spy on his tail. That's Ziegler's way of offering him membership while making it clear that he can't discuss the offer with anyone even if he refuses it.

>>212406828
What he said

>>212406828
>She doesn't get fucking kidnapped
She does, you're just retarded

>>212406878
But I'm talking about what happens in the movie, not in your imagination.
>Bill and Alice discuss their experience in a crowded toy store
>daughter wanders off, audience loses track of her
>conversation gets more serious
>daughter shows up again to remind the audience that she's still wandering around the store
>they pat her on the head and she leaves again with a lingering, uneasy glance that dominates the shot

You're definitely meant to be worried for her because that's the theme of the film. You think to yourself, "I wouldn't let my girl out of my sight if I were in his shoes."

There is no kidnapping scene in the movie though. Go ahead and look for it to prove me wrong. I've seen Eyes Wide Shut more times than you've seen the evening news.

>>212406593
my nigga you do not know. Doctors are a more useful breed of goyim but they are still goyim. You gotta be a stockbroker and above to be part of the club,

>>212406486 (OP)
>formerly
yeah, she worked at Chuck's

>>212407096
>But I'm talking about what happens in the movie
You're talking about what happens in the movie from the perspective of a retard with no inner monologue who doesn't pay attention or think very well.

the movie is a critique of sex and how bad it is no matter if it's in a rich enviroment(mansion) or a poor environment(store) among other things

The least believable part of this film was that these mega rich elites would go to all this trouble for a secret sex party then get literal junkie whores to be the entertainment.

The weirdest part is that Kubrick realises how ridiculous this premise is, because he directly addresses it by mentioning how the street walker Bill went to see got HIV.

They would be using nubile trafficked preteens.

>>212407377
The two Asians paying to fuck the costume store owners daughter got a better deal than the so called elites fucking junkie whores.

>>212407392
>They would be using nubile trafficked preteens.
this is actually shown in the store underage prostitution, kubrick obviously decided just to show it there instead of the mansion to not make the movie so controversial

>>212406593
he didn't offer enough. Ziegler said the people in that room were very famous and important.

the stuff about the hooker sacrificing herself, the stern letter, the stalker were all theatrical to scare Bill off. Ziegler even said it was theatre.

the elites were larping for the fun of it but Bill took it at face value.

the book and film are also metaphorical for unconscious and repressed sexual desire

>>212407356
>source: my ass
Thanks for clearing that up

>>212407392
>>212407436
This. The nubile preteens are behind closed doors but they're still at the party. I don't think Special K was avoiding controversy so much as trying to make a subtle, tasteful personal story instead of an erotic thriller.

>>212407562
The whole movie Ziegler making Bill an offer. Some things have to go unsaid and some things you can only see with your eyes sh- Now you get it.

>>212407567
What you're doing right now is called projection, not that you're smart enough to get it.

>>212407741
I'll give you another try: Show me where in the movie Helena gets kidnapped.

If you can't do that, post your headcanon somewhere else. This thread is for discussing Eyes Wide Shut, not something you think would have been a cool addition to Eyes Wide Shut.

>Honey, I've witnessed fully grown men...having consensual sex...with adult prostitutes. AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH I'M GOING INSANE.

>>212406593
Point being there is a difference between Bill's self-perceived middle class importance (well-educated doctor with a nice apartment in central NY) and the 'true' power that operates unseen. Bill's entire sense of self is built on his idea of being upper class and important, hence is predeliction of handing out his business card everywhere. But when confronted by true power and wealth during his nightly odyssey, his sense of self unravels. Bill is not rich, he is not important, and he'd never get to join the club.

>>212407792
Real humans are able to see beyond surface level details and deal with subtlety and suggestion. You wouldn't understand. I accept your concession though.

>>212406486 (OP)
Actually the story is all a dream. That Tom Cruise dreams. He wakes up in the sequel, but the director was murdered.

>>212406878
>>212407356
>>212407741
>>212407877
A masterclass in how to argue without deploying a single argument

>>212407877
I have to go now but my advice to you is browse /pol/ less and watch Kubrick more.

So who took the mask out and placed it on his pillow?

His wife, or someone sent by the elites?

>>212408044
The elites, who had his mask after catching him crashing their party. It wasn't in the house anymore for his wife to take out.

>>212406486 (OP)
i finally watched this recently and it was so incredibly obvious cruise's character was supposed to be jewish (and is in the book) and the whole thing is basically jewish neuroticism and soft disclosure/interpretation of the pedo blackmail epstein island aspect of judeo-american politics

>>212408155
ackshually...

>>212408235
Another example of based S-Kube rescuing a wonderful story from an author who doesn't understand it

>>212407926
you gotta respect it

>>212406548
>elites that practice sex
Oh no, not sex!

>>212406516
Yeah I'm sure that it wasn't inspired from anything real. Definitely not.

>>212406593
Regular doctors aren't elite, really, not in the context of New York high society. Yes, they'll make more in a couple of years than me or you will in our combined lifetime careers, but it's still nothing impressive in the grand scheme of things.

>>212406486 (OP)
Yeah sure ranjesh that is what the movie is about kek

>>212406486 (OP)
Society is a movie which is more overt in the plot of the elite sex cult stuff even if late 80's cronenbergy cheese.

It reminded me of the Menendez brothers or something. Definitely shit like that going on in Hollywood, music industry and like with George Bush and all that crap.

Pretty heinous stuff. These type of movies have the same feeling as Rosemarys baby too specifically with the gaslighting of the main characters.

>>212408567
Yeah Rosemary's Baby, directed by Roman Polanski the Jew pedo who got a standing ovation and also had a tape of his pregnant wife getting raped (who resembles main character in RB)

Definitely no way this stuff is real.... :|

>>212406486 (OP)
The film is an adaptation of this 1920s book https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_Story
It is broadly about infidelity, imagined and real. The wife's infidelity is imagined, but hurt by her confession of her fantasy the husband considers pursuing real opportunities for infidelity that present themselves to him. However he discovers that avenue leads to dark, disturbing, and confusing things, so he doesn't go through with it, instead returning to his wife and young daughter.

Translation: The writer was a coomer. The moral ending was probably just to justify the erotica that preceded it.

>>212408235
guess my jewdar is just that good. also ford is a jew not a goy.

>>212406486 (OP)
Made the thread again huh Ivan?
>It's da joooooooz!

>>212408683
seek help

>>212406486 (OP)
This movie is really interesting and I find that most discussions of it are ruined by conspiracy tard slop. The secret society aspect is interesting, but they ruin that too with the fake stories that Kubrick included implied pedophile scenes which were cut. This isnt true, the footage that was cut was just more explicit scenes of sex between adults. It was cut because it would lead to an X rating.

Also the idea that Kubrick was killed for this movie which is stupid and makes no sense.

>>212408683
I thought NAFO had its USAID money cancelled

I heard theres meant to be sex and murder in that party scene but I must have seen the edited version. I saw a naked woman I think that was it.

>>212408928
Shabat shalom!

>>212408928
you're glowing bro

>>212408928
stop telling the truth

>>212408928
>Also the idea that Kubrick was killed for this movie which is stupid and makes no sense.

It makes no sense if you disregard the CIA does have heart attack powder shit.

More interesting is the real things like Franklin Affair, North Fox island stuff or Elm House in London or that chateau castle in Belgium. Less interesting is "oh the film is about women's depth of infidelity and the hiddenness of it like underworld of yin to Yang bla bla"

Justice for the children

>>212409018
>>212409030
D student/wagie tier responses as expected. Conspiracytard shit has run its course and you guys are becoming annoying faggots. Its similar to the youtube atheist crowd who everyone just eventually had enough of due to their obnoxious behavior.

>>212409095
>pedophiles exist
>this means that Kubrick included pedophile scenes in the movie which were cut and then he was assassinated by the CIA with a heart attack gun after the fact for even filming this
This is retard logic. This is a film first and foremost about sex and relationships, its not about pedophilia.

The hyper focusing on pedophilia around this movie, when its not even implied, is bizarre.

>>212409112
>has no argument
>resorts to name-calling
very agency-coded

>>212409144
I literally did have an argument and presented mine. You cant form a counter argument and can only respond with canned meme repsonses
>GLOWIE!
>KIKE!
This is because youre a stupid person who is incapable of forming your own thought.

>>212409138
Yeah I'll have to ask Satya and Dyeus Pater on that one spooktard. Times up for you freaks.

>>212409209
I think someone needs to go back to the tunnels they crawled out from

>>212409112
This entire movie is about secret society conspiracy shit tho...thats the entire point of it lol

>>212406486 (OP)
It's really about Bill climbing the ranks of freemasonry, and the concept of mind control. Alice is a split personality mind controlled mk ultra sex slave within the high nobility secret society. Bill and Alice had to sacrifice the daughter as a sex kitten to protect themselves, this is confirmed when they're both sobbing in a scene together leading up to the last scene. These high nobility secret clubs are satanic at the core, demonic bloodlines linked to Cain. Pic related.

>>212408928
Glowfaggot glowing so hard I had to put on sunglasses.

>>212406486 (OP)
>makes a movie about jew pedo hollywood
>lowest rating, smear campaign, and director assassinated
Yup yup not suspicious at all

>>212409209
at some point you must realize you're being baited

>>212409367
he's a rookie agent, cut him some slack

>>212408481
Depends on your definition of elite. Which country are there the most doctors? Which group of people are relying on doctors the most due to bad genetic quality?

>>212409262
>secret society conspiracy shit
Yeah, just not pedohilia. This was a story written in the 1920s and back then, just the idea of men cheating on their wives with whores was enough to be controversial and shocking. Still when the film was made in the late 90s this was the case.

But now, since your shock nerve has been stamped flat by years of consuming schizo slop, this isnt enough. And since this is such a seminal secret society movie, you have to project pedophile shit onto it when none is there.

Again, the movie is about sex and relationships, its not a "pedophilias is wrong" movie.

>>212409503
Well if pedophilia gets redefined into being not a crime maybe one day you won't have to defend EWS pedo references this hard. You'll be able to shag a 'goy' toddler in the street and talk on those things all you wanted.

Unfortunately I guess it's regarded as an extremely heinous crime and have to do an operation or something to throw a spanner in the works of justice.

Justice in relation to fighting the most heinous crimes that have happened and gone unpunished. That's the truth.

No. Read the book. The movie is a near perfect adaptation, except for the modern setting.

>>212409503
Yeah guys in the 1920s people didn't have sex orgies in Weimar republic bringing the children with them and getting molested by Jews at the party.

Disregard Kubrick's other work the Shining, which also references the above and plays on it with an insider knowledge of it.

>>212409594
>>212409664
Both of these responses are completely nonsensical to the point where you sound like AI. Again, conspriacytards are such obnoxious and stupid assholes that they are becoming universally disliked on the internet.

>>212409805
No, we simply know the score kike.

>>212409805
this post contains more truth than any conspiracy '''theory'''

>>212409825
>KIKE
>GLOWIE
>SHALOM
Thats it, keep it going conspiracytard! Say all the schizo lines!

>>212408599
>also had a tape of his pregnant wife getting raped
what?

>>212409876
The new line now is Justice for the Children unfortunately for you lot

>>212409896
Tom O'Neills book on Charles Manson murders. It's current consensus certified by the state, don't worry. Unless your a Mossad agent.

>>212408928
>>212409503
>>212409805

Milich's underage daughter whispered to Bill "you should have a cloack lined with ermine" which confirms she was at the satanic orgy party. It's clear and obvious this film had alot of hints at pedophilia. You must be a rookie glowfaggot.

>>212409925
>justice for children!

>>212409994
I think we're getting to shut it down time about now, let's see

>>212409138
>The hyper focusing on pedophilia around this movie, when its not even implied,
excuse me?

>>212409992
>undersage

i havent seen the movie but what? shes supposed to be 16 or something? thats hardly underage for anything but technicalities of certain state laws and is also literally not pedophilic

>>212408683
cope, commie nigger

>>212410057
That's an Oy Gevalt moment right there.

Stop being heinous for 5 seconds

>>212410047
see >>212410057

>>212409994
>criticize the group youre not allowed to
>have cp uploaded on your pc and arrested

it was honestly hard to tell that your pic was supposed to be some sort of """clap back"""

>>212406486 (OP)
so besides kubrick wanting to own cruise with two weeks of takes over one scene to punish him for his own daughter running away to scientology, was the character of bill a semiautobiographical account of kubrick's father who was also a doctor?

>>212406486 (OP)

Why not just taking the daughter on a trip and never coming back? Pretty sure he could have just taken all the money as well and disappeared.

>>212407310
You are largely correct but there are some very notable exceptions. Doctors that pioneer treatment methods, pharmaceuticals, and other research that can be commercialised can make insane money. The Texas medical center has numerous research and treatment buildings named for doctors that died and left insane fortunes behind to their associated universities and hospitals.

>>212409992
dumb headcanon.

France's " first lady " is a man.
Emanual was groomed from a young age.
The reality is much more sick than this movie portrays.

>>212410057
14 actually
leelee sobieski was 16 when the movie released, younger during production
>b-b-but that's epheb-
only pedos care about the distinction

>>212410241
>Texas medical center
lol. a hospital run and staffed by inbred Texas retards. what a laugh

>pedophilia isn't even implied
It's at least implied by Helena's abduction being implied.

So, has Kubrick ever said wild conspiratorial shit in interviews? I know he died before this film was released but I mean in general. Was he a paranoid dude or did he just like some of this imagery?

>>212410897
He sat down Kidman and said bloodsucking pedo jews run hollywood.

>>212410897
He may not have actually died he may have just been doing revelation of the method with his films (inside jokes on the goy) and then 'disappeared to Thailand'. That's also possible

>>212410475
pedophilia is a great moral wrong regardless of laws or society

actual hebephilia (11-13 aka the ages kids are going *through* prepuberty) is a weird area and a good example of why you need good laws in a society to stop weird stuff from happening that may otherwise happen and cause harm

15+ (the actual age of leelee, but we all know why you lied about it) is just a post pubescent women and only hysterical hags trying to beat out competition clutch pearls about

>>212410897
When someone does they get martyrized by people and if this stuff is true people think kubrick is a hero. Even funnier for the elite on the goys if he was in on it as well. His mansion was called Childwickbury ffs.

>>212411043
*dies*

>>212410995
I didnt say what Leelee's age was. I said what the character's age was.
She was 15 at the oldest during filming though.

>>212410995
As the anon you are replying to said, you are splitting hairs and it's painfully obvious you are a pedo. You won't be having sex unless it's forced so I hope you are on a list

>>212411075
oh well my point still stands. a 14 year old is an objective women. some laws in some places may be against it now and they may change in the future, its not based on hard reality like anti-pedophilia is

a year ago women could have penises. now they cant. 20 years ago they couldnt. the next president will reverse it again. caring about laws as if they represent morality or right and wrong is gay

>>212411043
Yeah there's a thing with this. The octopus. When a victim of these things tries to escape, they trust someone like that (Kubrick, someone who seems they can help) only to wander right back into the clutches of that nefarious world because the 'hero' person was bought or in on it, like layers of deception and trauma farming.

It's a thing to be grateful for people, that your not in that position. Hopefully soon these monsters crime ring is gonna be exposed and we can save those people.

>>212411239
I dont care about any of the dumb rationalization you're doing.
I jerked off to Leelee in this movie. It's not a big deal and I do not care.
It IS implied pedophilia though.

>anonymous Random Stranger photoshop
Whoa it MUST be true!!!! I believe anything in .jpg format!

>>212411299
>It IS implied pedophilia though.

it raises the question that if its meant to represent pedophilia why he didnt just use a child since thats sort of at the crux of pedophilia

youre just being a women
>he RAPED me!
>no he didnt
>well i had drank a white claw a few hours earlier so i consider it rape since its basically the same thing

>>212411350
>why he didnt just use a child
yeah i'm sure casting a 9 year old in that part would have gone over well

>>212411350
Bill has a younger daughter and theres clearly things being drawn between her and the other girls in the small details of EWS with that. "Somewhere over the rainbow" and the type of women it constantly is portraying, the similar contexts and things with the hair.

I'm sure Kubrick wasn't trying to do that though ... :\

Oh....I get it. If she gets groomed at that age but only has sex in depraved orgies and usurped her life after she's a technically or not technically a child, it's then okay.

Oh, thank you Mossad agent in the thread, I think I finally see your point. :/

Yeah cos women are secretly trash aren't they? This is what it says so in biblical and talmudic law so, guess EWS is fine then. Nothing to see here!

>>212411350
see >>212409992
at the age of 14 the character was well-acquainted with the kind of sex party Bill goes to later, and is literally introduced by getting caught in the act with two ugly old chinks
she clearly didn't start this shit at the age of 14
you are retarded

>>212407356
No need to project.

>>212406516
sure buddy

>>212406486 (OP)
this movie captures the demonic aspect of sex pretty accurately

>>212406486 (OP)
You'll understand the movie if you watch it from a meta perspective and replace the character of Tom Cruise with cruise himself and take into consideration all the power and fame he has. Only then will you realize the message of the film.

Protip: Tom Cruise could do nothing in that situation even with all his power as he was just a mere goyim at the end of the day.

Best book with this kind of feel? I've read programmed to kill, chaos, and the devil's chessboard. I have that chickenhawk book but it's a bit too amateurish , or at least felt so I'm on my first pass. Any reasonably well written conspiracy books about weird illuminati shit?

>>212408928
100% this.
https://youtu.be/Wyaac2kqk50?feature=shared

One extra thing not mentioned: Nick Kidman

'her' dad was a weirdo behavioural psychiatrist with scandals under his name.

The first shot of the film is of 'her' ass. The film is called Eyes Wide Shut.

It's a joke on the audience

>>212411903
she literally shows her pussy in Billy Bathgate

>>212411928
Awesome. Incredibly informative. Did she nick anyone's kids off them, man?

>>212411350
It's less so to do with pedophilia and moreso conveying what roles women are expected to play in society that's instilled in them from an early age. This is why Kidman is shown working on a maths equation with Helena where two men's money are pitted against each other, it's all thematically in line with the costume shop owner's daughter getting "sold out"

>the elite is sex-starved

I will never understand how people can be so addicted to pussy, even the powerful are like this.

>>212412080
bro if I could snap my fingers and bang jailbait whenever I wanted i'd never have time for anything else
imagine having the kind of power that let's you get ten women together to fuck you and tell me you wouldnt become preoccupied

>"If you men only knew..."
Knew what?

>>212411928
Funny also it's called 'Billy' bath 'gate' (sounds like a certain influential billionaire)

Might as well be Billy Shearsgate. What is her husband in EWS called again?

I don't even care about the film this much, all those coinkydinks are supposed to drive people crazy. But they are there though, why? It's a little bit spooky. Interesting to talk about though

>>212412103
I wouldn't. What's so enthralling about putting your dick in a pink wet hole? I get it once or twice can be fun but all the time? Making your lifestyle about it? Maybe it's me that is broken.

>>212412178
you lack imagination. and probably have also never had sex. and definitely have never had power over a woman.

>>212412178
>>212412103

We have here also 2 extremes deflecting the topic the thread has become about. Curious

>>212412258
>everything is... LE JOOZ

>>212412236
I had sex and I don't want "power over a woman". They bore me and are extremly annoying.

>>212412303
Well no, some of it is playing on Christian notion of highly restricted celibacy Vs over the top heinous evil.

Neither of those are sane or normal things. They both create one another. Standard Yeshiva school convo. Normal people don't talk like this.

>>212412147
periods and shizz

>>212412103
im sure you would get bored of it for spells. after the novelty of it wares off it feels just as good and is faster to just jack off

>>212407096
>You think to yourself, "I wouldn't let my girl out of my sight if I were in his shoes."
Bill never told his wife about the masked party incident. If he had, her reaction would've been remarkably different. He just told her about sleeping with a prostitute.

>>212412468
you've never had sex OR power in your entire life

>>212412985
I wish you were right. I said it's me that is broken. I've had sex believe it or not.
>power in your entire life
Not interested with that.

I read a story about EWS being a sister movie to Crank(2006). What happened there?

>>212412985
Except the power to picrel

>>212413005
>Not interested with that.
sour grapes

>>212412530
>jacking off feels just as good as young pussy
haha I know right? and you ever notice how a woman's boots feel like bags of sand?

>>212413386
That's just what they do.

>>212413386
im sorry but its true. only chad sexhavers will ever understand

after the novelty of running through whores you just want to find a pure qt to make babies with and the idea of having to be around some dumb annoying cunt just to fuck her is something you actively avoid

>>212412080
It's all about power and fulfilling all your fantasies. Once a person has enough money life gets boring.

>>212413490
Somewhere along the way you just have to let Ishmael record a porno with your daughter.

>>212407856
this is the right answer
>>212406593
Bill got some money by his hard work, these people inherit fortunes, they were raised rich and have nothing in common with him. It's like a hobo begged for 12$ and goes to buy a liquor and in line start a conversation with you about upcoming capeslop movie he saw advertisement for on a billboard.
>Will you consider his opinion valid?
>Would you treat him equal to yourself?

>>212413463
nobody cares about your larp, bro

>>212413577
modern society doesnt have an aristocracy. they wear the same cloths and watch the same movies and shows as everyone else. they have to cope by caring about brand names and other dumb shit

in real life these gay clubs where they do nothing interesting is another form of cope. they are like the evil party member in 1984, he has power but still lives basically the same life as other party members but in current society they cant even wield power like that

>>212413577
But at the same time, they're criminals and their time is coming.

Not sure about Crank, but After Hours (1985) has a very similar bizzare night-long odyssey theme as EWS, with a lot of occult/masonic symbolism as well. Great film too.

>>212413150
See
>>212413777

>>212413777
Nice trips.

The other one someone already mentioned was Society(1989) but that's more plot.

>>212406486 (OP)
Hottest naked ass in cinema history. To this day I still dream of ass fucking Nicole Kidman because of that scene

>>212409416
Doctors are just plebs. If he were from an elite family then he might have gotten an invite but he was just a pleb.

>>212413610
>t. tattooed up roasty

chads not shopping for meat in the discount aisle

>>212414410
If flys and cockroaches live only a few weeks or months in normal circumstances, doctors become quite important for them when they are super rich.

>>212414401
The infidelity scene was initially some with Harvey Keitel but apparently something went terribly wrong and they replaced him.
Seems like an interesting story there.

So Bill wouldn't have been complicit in his daughter being taken, right? I've read people saying they offer her up to get out and that's what the crying scene was about. Why would he do that, though? Like why do the awful things to avoid a less awful thing?

>>212406486 (OP)

daily reminder that Suri Cruise was apart of these in real life

>>212415139
>Spilled juice on her shirt
lol what a retard

>>212411715
Glamorama