why do movies depict european sword combat as brutish when it was actually like this?

>>212408340 (OP)
Not all movies depict it Brutish. Look at Kingdom of Heaven swordfights. But keep in mind, these HEMA clubs don't depict accurate combat either. They look at manuscripts from the renaissance that mostly covered dueling. In the chaos of battle they are not doing these stop motion stances and flourishes. It's chaos and HEMA has no impact on the grand strategy of showing a battle on screen.

Pretty sure real fights wasn't a guy attacking with pre-arranged telegraphs moves and then allowing the other guy to counter with no resistance whatsoever

>>212408340 (OP)
Movies always depict sword combat as gay choreographed dance like your gif

>>212408446
>In the chaos of battle they are not doing these stop motion stances and flourishes.

Sword fighting is a lot like MMA fighting. Everyone spends a ton of time learning the stances, the parries and positions, the guards and disarms and creating openings and all of that. And then, when you're actually in the shit, most likely you're just going to end up being tackled to the floor and holding on to the other guy while you try to punch each other. Because it's not some pretty duel where you have the time or luxury of getting the movements correct, you've got one or more other dudes diving at you trying to cave your skull in.

>>212408548
That's not how battles worked though. You don't have this hollywood 1v1 in a battle. You don't tackle people to the ground or else you get killed too. You are in a formation of hundreds of men. You have no idea what's going on around you. You move in a rugby like scrum next to the other scrum and try to poke and bash them to death. You start doing your little HEMA/MMA wrestle to the ground to dagger a knight and you will get killed. It's about formation cohesion, people get ganged up on and singled out once the formation breaks.

>>212408660
Most "battles" were not hundreds of men charging at hundreds of men. Those happened, sometimes, but that wouldn't be where you're swinging a sword to begin with. Most fighting in the time of swords and armor was done in very small numbers, not entirely dissimilar to how modern military actions are small groups of people attacking other small groups of people.

>>212408740
Throughout most the middle ages the big famous battles were hundreds of men. England for hundreds of years fielded around 1000-2000 knights in an army + thousands of archers. French armies were even larger. Battle of hastings was tends of thousands of men. Battles in antiquity were even larger. You are thinking more like skirmishes I don't know where you are getting these small numbers from. I never said hundreds of men charging into each other. It was hundreds of men walking in a tight formation and meeting and fighting in formation. Medieval warfare was very similar to how the Romans and Greeks fought. Yes they did swing their swords in formations. They Thrust and did overhead attacks, just not wide swings because they were shoulder to shoulder. Even armoed mounted charges were knee to knee. Every bit of combat in this period depended on a tight formation. I'm not describing this disorganized Braveheart charge. I'm saying that you as an individual had very little idea of what's going on beyond the men immediate beside you in your formation. Soon as that formation breaks, the men route regardless of the current state of the battle. When the route happens, that's when the killing happens and it's not this pretty HEMA shit. It's a slaughter.

>>212408340 (OP)
>why do movies depict warfare as some dudes spraying and praying in the general direction of the enemy when it was actually like this?

>using anything other than a spear for close combat
Couldn't be me

>>212408340 (OP)
>stabbed in the face
that still seems pretty brutish

>>212409533
Spear was to keep distance and avoid close combat though, the danger to the spear is when they get inside your ability to poke

>>212409563
Brutish means they're just hacking at each other. Real fighters had practiced skill, techniques, strategy to overcome opponents who had the same

Circling your wrist and inner arm around the length of a blade seems like a bad idea

>>212408340 (OP)
Why do neither of them try rolling through the other's strikes?

>>212408467
Every single martial art, including those with weapons, are just practicing choreographed drills over and over and over again. The idea is to get to the point where you can do them without thinking, so in the real world if somebody attacks you your brain automatically sees
>Oh they're doing that move
and automatically counters it. Pointing out that drills are practiced like it's a checkmate only reveals a lack of understanding.

>>212409731
no stamina

>>212409710
you have to be fast and grab his wrist quickly. It would overwhelm a low-to-medium skilled opponent and allow you to deliver a killing blow from inside their defense. Wearing Gambeson like they do also reduces any slicing damage to nil

>>212408548
Nah, technique matters in MMA and any combat sport really. Drills are performed so they become muscle memory and they kick in flawlessly when you're in the fight and your corner is yelling at you. I can imagine medieval combat being similar.

>>212408340 (OP)
>fictional media is le fictional
next you will tell me water is wet fucking queers

>>212408340 (OP)
It was actually more like this

Why don't they display more weapons than just swords?

>>212410043

>>212409533
Me when I play chivalry

>>212410043
Billhook my beloved.

>>212409816
>Nah, technique matters in MMA and any combat sport really.
And no one said otherwise.

More than just individual tactics, I wish they'd actually portray real group fighting tactics. Usually they just immediately break into one on one jumbled fighting. The only ones I can think of offhand that didn't were the first battle in Rome and Braveheart

>>212410672
Which is why the battle in Alexander is the best on screen and really captures the scale of Alexander's plan

>>212410927
happen to have any webms?

>>212408340 (OP)
This shit is a larp based on a few pages found in books.

>>212411074
For me, it's the men in the back who can't possibly know what's going on also just standing there doing nothing silently.

>>212411254
Your contention is movies accurately portray sword fighting?

>>212411289
They have been put in the medieval cuck chair.

>>212411254
This lol. Some Italian from 1600 or so wrote down what he imagined noble dueling was like. He probably never saw a real knight and only read Don Quixote but larpniggers ate this shit up.
What's even the point of making up a style only for unarmoured longsword duels (thing that never happened) that looks even dumber than Hollywood fights?
Look at drunken gipsies fighting with machetes. I guarantee that's closer to real medieval warfare than this.

>>212408927

Kinda wild to find out that many medieval battles were basically rugby matches with axes and spears and shit while, at the same time, chinks were fielding 100K men on the field on field on average.