So, let me get this straight, during the republic era, the senate was an slow, bureocratic institution, that was the playground of rich and influential people, aristocrats, royalty or noble born, corporations and economic cartels, that were all ok with slavery, forced labour, debt bondage and deep economic inequality.
But when the Empire takes over, they expect the little people to fight for them and join the Rebellion because of reasons?

star wars is garbage

>>212450154 (OP)
Just like real life! Haha aren't movies fun.

>>212450154 (OP)

>>212450154 (OP)
Slavery was illegal in the Republic. Tatooine was outside Republic space. Otherwise, yeah, the system was pretty fucked and everyone knew it. As for the Imperial era, something to keep in mind is that the senators who defected and became the leadership of the Rebel Alliance were largely members of Padme's old progressive coalition. Meanwhile the more corrupt elements of the Old Republic either fit right in with the new Imperial order or they got pruned.
So yeah, you join Mon Mothma and Bail Organa because they've been saying there's problems for decades and now it's worse than ever. Honestly, the only reason that Dooku isn't remembered fondly as a martyr is because the Rebel leadership is full of Jedi sympathizers who have the whole picture on Dooku turning Sith and being a sock puppet.

>>212450154 (OP)
Kind of like 3K where Cao Cao is the bad guy because... he's trying to overthrow a corrupt, dogshit Empire ruled by a limp wristed cuck and ultra corrupt ministers.
Also it's shown the New Republic are also completely retarded in Ahsoka. Though, Star Wars has always relied on Idiot plot, even Andor and the OT.

Really makes me wonder about George Lucas. He describes a lot which would indicate the Emperor and Anakin WERE in the right. Is it another case of a leftist artist not understanding what real good and bad is and only thinking in terms of superficial aesthetic and sentiment? Time and time again they face the harsh reality that the normal person is basically a fascist. They want order, peace, hierarchy, stable rule.

>>212450767
>Slavery was illegal in the Republic. Tatooine was outside Republic space.
But indenture servitude was not. Royal houses had those.

>>212451002
>He describes a lot which would indicate the Emperor and Anakin WERE in the right
I'm not really sure how you've arrived at that conclusion. one of the first things the empire does is blow up a planet for almost no reason
Palpatine spent years softening up the Republic with his network of agents so that he could take over and become the ruler of the galaxy and impose his will on everyone

that's all pretty evil

>>212451002
Anon, replacing a corrupt Republic run by inept bureaucrats with a double corrupt Empire run by power tripping stooges and a literal evil wizard is not being in the right. The only people who were in the right were Padme's (small) cadre and maybe some true believer Separatists.

>>212450154 (OP)
Most of the senate was on Sheev's side.

>>212451002
>He describes a lot which would indicate the Emperor and Anakin WERE in the right.
Gonna need you to expand on that point.

>dude isn't the government corrupt??
>yeah we should totally replace it with SATAN
kinda based, ngl

>>212451136
>I'm not really sure how you've arrived at that conclusion. one of the first things the empire does is blow up a planet for almost no reason

What planet?

>Palpatine spent years softening up the Republic with his network of agents so that he could take over and become the ruler of the galaxy and impose his will on everyone

Of what use was your process if it allowed the Emperor to even happen? He did that easily. It was sick and corrupt, feckless, incapable of doing what it should be able to do for its citizens and people, and he picked the crown out of the gutter.

>>212451186

corrupt =/= malicious or severe

One thing we don't see is much of the day to day in the Empire so we don't actually know what "evils" were committed on the regular. We are exposed more to normal life in the Republic where it seems the government is totally useless.

Notice the rebellion wasn't very large? Surely a hated Empire would have multiple planets and star systems rallying against it, instead of a random band of retards committing what amounts to terrorism.

>>212450767
>So yeah, you join Mon Mothma and Bail Organa because they've been saying there's problems for decades and now it's worse than ever.
>>212451186
>The only people who were in the right were Padme's (small) cadre and maybe some true believer Separatists.

But they were all fighting to keep their privileges been taken away from them by the new Empire. Not for the people, freedom, lower classes or anything like that.

>>212451186
Wish the Sepratists were shown as being mostly good guys. That would make the "tragedy" of Star Wars much more apparent. Instead Dooku has them just mostly acting like cartoon villans.

>>212450154 (OP)
That was the point of the prequels. The OT rebellion is ass and won't bring about meaningful change. Everything Luke was told by Leia and Obi-Wan was ideological drivel. Only Darth Vader could've saved the galaxy and Luke rejected him.

>>212451300
It was literally part of Dooku's job to keep them retarded so that they'd have a hard time rallying again after Palpatine took over.

>>212451239

The purpose of a government is to govern. To ensure order, law, justice, to understand all perspectives, to find common ground. Otherwise, why would it exist?

From what we see of the Republic: lawlessness abounds. From what we know of the Jedi (the Republic's only arm of law enforcement), they are gleefully obsessed with willing apathy and will only intervene when forced. What is their function? They don't understand people at all, they're utterly divorced from reality and stroking their own egoes in their temple, while the politicians stroke their own dicks in the chambers of Coruscant. There is a void precisely because there is something not being done that should be.

Yoda is low key one of the worst characters in all of Star Wars. He is very old, and very wise, so he knows better, but his aggressive pride and apathy get in the way of practical, active leadership and so everything around him falls apart. He can't even hold on to Anakin. In the OT, he barely does anything for Luke other than piss him off for being such a judgemental and apathetic dick. The Jedi were dogmatic and Yoda was the face of that. The Republic was inept and it allowed Palpatine to seize what was being neglected.

>>212451289
>Notice the rebellion wasn't very large? Surely a hated Empire would have multiple planets and star systems rallying against it, instead of a random band of retards committing what amounts to terrorism
This is basically the entire plot of Andor. The Empire was slowly tightening its grip on the galaxy in the hopes everyone would just stay complacent until they unveiled the Death Star which at that point nobody could stand against them. Characters like Luthen & Cassian purposely escalate shit so the Empire will show their true colors forcing regular folks to realize they have to stand up against the Empire or be crushed beneath its boot.

>>212451293
Noblesse Oblige, the aristocratic classes that joined the Rebellion were using their position to help the little people. It only looks hypocritical because you’re applying more nuance than necessary for a fairy tale.

>>212451289
>What planet?
Alderaan, man. it's in the first half of the first star wars movie ever made. have you actually seen these movies?

>Of what use was your process if it allowed the Emperor to even happen?
what a stupid thing to say

>>212450206
Bomb Tattooine or Naboo will be overrun by Gungan terrorists.

>>212450767
Droids are people

And they are sex slaves to boot. Tell me these droids on the far left aren't consorts for the politicians

>>212451186
Rebellion wants to bring back the senate. It won't work. The only real shot they had was Luke making a Jedi order that didn't suck balls (guess what yidsney did in order to return us to the status quo, it all rhymes like poetry)

>>212451509
Alderaan wasn't the first thing the Empire did.

>>212451667
to clarify, it's one of the first things the audience sees the empire do.

The republic was ok with the Decraniated

>>212451757
nope - all imperial period

>>212451293
No, the point is that those senators had already been decrying the problems with the Old Republic and kept it up when all those problems became 100x worse with the Empire. If they just wanted to keep their privileges, they'd just be good little simps for Palpatine or take their money and run for Hutt space.

>>212450154 (OP)
>So, let me get this straight, during the republic era, the senate was an slow, bureocratic institution, that was the playground of rich and influential people, aristocrats, royalty or noble born, corporations and economic cartels, that were all ok with slavery, forced labour, debt bondage and deep economic inequality.
>But when the Empire takes over...
...nothing changes

The empire is simply an outgrowth of the republic.
All the things the empire did; were already done under the republic.
It was a rotten project through and through.

>>212451711
the audience has watched 3 episodes by the time alderaan gets destroyed

>>212451261
Pretty little evidence the empire was all that evil. Yeah they were authoritarian, but then so were most governments in human history. That shit works. Oligarchy does not.

>>212453263
>Pretty little evidence the empire was all that evil
Other than the mass arrests, slavery, and massacres

>>212453263
>Pretty little evidence the empire was all that evil. Yeah they were authoritarian,

>>212454165
Alderaan deserved it

>>212454165
they had WMDs

What would happen if 4chan gave star wars it's own board ?

>>212450154 (OP)
The problem of the Republic was that they created "functional constituencies" which were basically seats for corporations and cartels, which had representation despite being unelected while thousands of worlds didn't. Also core worlds which had more representation than outer rim planets owing to their historical importance.
It's very hard to understand because no country works like this but basically it was a very messed up institutional arrangement that got progressively worse over the millennia.

Would have been kino to see the New Republic tackling these issues but Disney denied us the chance.

>>212450154 (OP)
Star Wars is pure boomer truth nonsense

>>212457338
>boomer truth
I like this. Mind if I use it?

The wrong side won

>>212450154 (OP)
>the senate was an slow, bureocratic institution,
that's still true
>that was the playground of rich and influential people, aristocrats, royalty or noble born, corporations and economic cartels, that were all ok with slavery, forced labour, debt bondage and deep economic inequality.
that's any government nowadays
>when the Empire takes over, they expect the little people to fight for them and join the Rebellion because of reasons?
that keeps happening in any political party
YOU'RE DESCRIBING OUR REAL WORLD, retard

>>212450154 (OP)
No matter what you people think ...
This was peak 2025 /tv/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYSHraDJ17E

>>212457855
>bud
Hasn't been the beer of choice for trailer trash since the Great Wokening Budweiser Superbowl Betrayal

>>212457731
I didn't invent it, go ahead