Woah, that's deep dude

>>212450845 (OP)
I work in a gas station.

>>212450845 (OP)
The alternative for most is homelessness

>>212450845 (OP)
seems like a shallow message and yet people are still pulling extra shifts at the Amazon warehouse so they can pay for all their streaming subscriptions

>>212450845 (OP)
it's pre-9/11, you had to be there

>industrial society is... le bad
yawn

>>212451020
it contributed to the overpopulation of the third world, so yeah kinda.

>>212451000
i wish we could go back to where things were prosperous and good to the point that having a comfortable life was something that caused existential despair. you really get the feel for that in a lot of the era's films, the matrix, this ,etc. "things are too good and good is boring ahhhh get me out of here!". God, if only.

>>212450845 (OP)
I work a job I hate so I can buy shit I want.

What now, Pittman?

>>212451210
You have that right now you dork, you're posting on 4chan and think you're living in the post apocalypse because you don't like Star Wars anymore.

>>212451210
>"things are too good and good is boring ahhhh get me out of here!"
office space
matrix
fight club
american beauty

This movie came out before corporations learned how to make employees happy. It's different now

>>212451210
>having a comfortable life was something that caused existential despair
But the narrator didn't have a comfortable life or existence, he had a horrible work schedule flying from place to place working long hours which fucked up his sleep to the point of extreme insomnia and psychosis . Not only that but his job demanded he covered up horrible accidents for a major auto manufacturer where he got to investigate the death scenes of dozens of people, AND he was a loser with no love interest or friends and came from a broken family who snapped.

Besides having money he was a hollow, miserable, and completely broken person who snapped and started beating the shit out of himself and other people. That's the whole point of the movie, even having money doesn't somehow unfuck your life up. Think of all the miserable fuck ups who are the sons and daughters of billionaires or politicians like Hunter Biden or Uday Hussein. Money does not = fulfilled in life

>>212451272
Two of those movies are about guys being laid off from their “le comfy jerbs” because of the incompetence of their bosses, one is about a dude developing schizophrenia from jet lag, and the fourth is about robots enslaving humanity.

>>212451516
>stand waaaay in the back and do nothing while pretending to participate
>this shit eats up work time, which is a plus
Skill issue.

>>212451516
People see this and think
>Fucking Americans
But this kind of shit actually originates from Japan. If you ever think Americans have a retarded, capitalistic grind just remember that South Korea and Japan are twice that

>>212450845 (OP)
It's very true at least.

>>212451020
We are the orcs.

>>212450875
and you probably can't even afford things you don't need. haha grim.

>>212451684
Can you provide an example? To my knowledge Japanese work culture is designed to grind people to bloody stumps, but not to humiliate them.

>>212451828
No I'm not russian

>>212451684
I've never seen japs do the wagie dance

>>212451020
It's not even about industrial society really, the Narrator just sees capitalism and industrial society as an extension of his ego and really wants to become an hero , and because of his self hatred wants to blow up everything and take it over until he finally shoots himself and blows up a bunch of sky scrapers

>>212451679
It's all fun and games until one of the other wagies reports you to management so they can be rewarded with an extra day of unpaid time off

>>212451933
Twist:
they still get called in

>>212451853
>>212451874
I mean you can just look it up. It's a very common standard in Japan as well as other shit like not being able to leave until the boss does and all that jazz. There's also an episode of An Idiot Abroad where Karl has to do one before doing a job.

Very obvious things seem profound to some people, very few people actually think even beyond the surface level. Like how many times have you heard someone say "both parties are the same" like it's a mind blow political revelation, when its the sort of thing you knew when you were 15?

>>212451982
That's rajio taiso. It's a calisthenics routine for the whole Japanese population designed to keep them healthy. It's intended for the benefit of the people doing it, not to humiliate them, and it's not mandatory.

Most importantly, however, in relation to this particular conversation we're having, the Japanese got the idea from radio calisthenics in the US.

>>212451853
They have the disadvantage of having abusive bosses forcing them to go to after work dinners and if they don't participate they are labeled as antisocial and not a team player and it'll fuck up their career. I worked with a Japanese dude and I told his boss I wanted to invite him to dinner at my place and he asked how he will get back to his work dorm. I guess a taxi because we'll be drinking some wine for dinner so i can'tdrive hom back. Drinking on a Saturday? No. I can't allow that.

I just lied to the dude and said his boss said it was OK because I'd take the blame if he got mad. But nothing came of it.

>>212452066
The western wagie dance isn't officially intended to humiliate either. It's too boost morale, even though the real effect is buck-breaking employees so they know their place and don't get any funny ideas about deserving better wages or better working conditions

WHY DO I BUY SO MUCH SHIT
IF I HATE WORKING
WHY DON'T I QUIT
IF THE WORLD IS BURNING
KEEP'S GETTING WARMER ALL THE TIME
WHO'S FAULT IS THAT?
IS IT MINE?

>>212451853
>but not to humiliate them.
that's the thing, in hivemind eastern bugman culture, these things are seen as commonplace and they wouldn't think them humiliating. Whereas here for us they are extremely humiliating.

>>212452066
Those dances aren't to humiliate people, someone way too high up in the company genuinely thought they would raise morale.

Working overtime so I can afford more figurines for my mancave

>>212451516
>used to be a salary manager at walmart
>used to have to lead these cheers, in one case in front of the regional manager
>mfw
So glad I quit some years back. Pay isn't as good but at least I don't feel like shooting myself in the face anymore.

>>212452236
he goons in there

>>212452229
>Those dances aren't to humiliate people
>>212452137
>The western wagie dance isn't officially intended to humiliate either.

hahahahahahahahah

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah


aaaaaaaahahhaha

>>212451933
No one would report me because I'm a nice guy

>work jobs we hate so we can’t even afford the things we don’t need

>>212452239
What happened if an someone refused to do it?

>>212452267
Schizo nonsense. There are literally dozens of easier and more effective ways to degrade the people in those jobs. A normal 8-hour shift will involve the customers degrading them more than that dance does.
It is dumb and humiliating, but the idea that it's a humiliation ritual and not misguided HR virtue signaling is wrong.

>>212452362
it doesn't need to be intentional to be a humiliation ritual anon, where did you get that idea?

>>212452338
In the case of the regional visit nobody was stupid enough not to, even the biggest autists knew they'd lose their job if they got the ire of the regional manager, but in the morning huddles if people didn't do it I didn't give a shit. Some other managers cared though.

>>212452408
>in the morning huddles
Wait, they had to do it every single day?

>>212452338
Taken out back and shot in the back of the head by commissar Jamal or Juanito and your family sent a bill for the cost of the bullet

>>212452395
Okay then I misused that term I guess, but my main point is about the intention of the dances.

>>212451516
I never did this when I worked at a Walmart, granted it was a Neighborhood Market and not a Super Center. Is this shit actually a thing at every store, or just some of them?

>>212452395
>It's not a humiliation ritual in Japan but it is in the US because... it just is okay???
This is like when people see all those ads in American towns calling it burgerpunk but soi facing anytime they see the same shit in Japan lmao

Weebs man, Jesus

>>212452446
Yes. Looking back it's pretty amazing I didn't kill myself during my years there.

>>212452362
It is explicitly to dissuade unionization by making people “a part of something.”

>>212452506
i didn't mean it as a good thing about japan, i meant it as they are inferior bugpeople with hive mentailty who lack the individualistic spirit to realize that it's humiliating. but go off.

>>212452584
That actually makes sense given how they think, and is completely different than it being done to intentionally humiliate them.

>>212451982

>>212452584
It's just modern day buck breaking

>>212452506
There’s more than one person on 4chan, despite what I want to believe.

Shame based cultures don’t view it as humiliating. The west is shifting towards shame based (due to becoming brown), so the shift is viewed as humiliating.

>>212452631
Humiliation is also the goal, just collective humiliation that you can “choose” to opt out of.

>>212450845 (OP)
I like my job and I mostly buy stuff that I enjoy.
I pity fuckers who are working shit jobs.

>>212452236
>having a horizontal bar in the center of your field of view
I guess it's not a problem when you're 5'1

>>212452584
I never worked for an american company but internationally it's 100% a thing for corporate to intentionally treat the bottom tier employees as garbage, so they dont start thinking they deserve higher wages

>>212452752
Same reason in ancient times people would never say thank you to slaves or show appreciation, because it was bad for discipline

>>212452685
Those goals completely contradict each other. You can't incentivize being a part of a whole by humiliating the whole. You're just dancing around the point here.

that's me

you're probably wondering how I got into the situation freeze frame

>>212452840
>You can't incentivize being a part of a whole by humiliating the whole.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_punishment

So I guess the ancient Roman’s and Greeks had it wrong right?

>>212452840
>opt out of collective humiliation ritual
>all the opt-ins think “he thinks he’s better than us fuck him!”
>your job is now harder for the same money

Group dynamics have basically been solved at this point. You’re arguing against fact.

>>212453016
That's not how collective punishment works. Collective punishment would be fucking over the whole group if one person decided not to dance, not punishing individuals who don't dance.

>>212453055
That's a good point I guess, I might be wrong.

>>212453061
Same thing. Collective punishment probably makes groups stronger. But that’s banned so they do the inverse, collective humiliation to isolate those who aren’t “team players” and make the team players more open to abuse.

You’re just proving you can’t map these concepts.

>>212453153
Probably = Provably.

>>212453153
Ehh, yeah when you put it like that it does make sense. I concede.

How the fuck do so many stores like this manage to stay in business?

>>212450845 (OP)

It's bizarre to look at this in 2025 and see that the consumer culture this movie rails against isn't available to anyone except the mega wealthy anymore.

>>212451648
American beauty is not about robots

>>212453933
The common folk still partakes in it
It's just a little bit different, now it's importing boxes full of chink shit $1-5 per item
People adapt

>>212453933
>only the megawealthy can afford furniture

jesus you're brown

>>212450845 (OP)
seems trite now but this movie came out 25 years ago and changed society

>>212455275
9/11 changed society.

Oh, is this the hourly “unemployable zoomers don’t understand lack of purpose” thread?

>>212455309
do you think the jews were behind it

>>212455355
doesn't even matter at this point. osama said his goal was to show america's true face to the world and that quite literally happened.

>>212450845 (OP)
Reddit movie

>>212450960
>i am Jeff's bursting bladder

>>212450845 (OP)
>buy shit we don't need

It's implying that humans don't need money. It's flat-out wrong. How is that deep?

>>212450845 (OP)
Men need to work jobs so they can have mating opportunities since 99% of them aren't special looking. Tyler is in the 1% so he doesn't need to work to get laid. He's therefore giving false information to his followers that you don't need to work for this or that but he has his end goal fulfilled already while his followers would not reach that same end-point.

>>212452236
this is fucking OBSCENE
kill this nigga NOW!!!!!!!!!! R

>>212455971
>grug no can eat cuz grugmart no take grug masterrock

maybe watch the movie sometime. one of the first act sequences is describing how he buys bullshit furniture that no one else will ever see. he can barely buy food because it'll expire while he's gone on one of his half dozen flights a week.

>>212455971
That’s not what it’s implying at all, it’s very Ted Kaczynski in its message. It’s arguing that modern life has ripped all purpose from men’s lives, and they participate in surrogate activities (buying shit, gym bro’ing, climbing the corporate ladder) to cope with their lack of purpose.
It doesn’t do a great job at hitting that home, as it loses its way pretty quickly, and the larping in a bar basement is yet another surrogate activity, and the fag authors personal communist ideology ends up overruling any point he was originally trying to make, but that was the message.

>>212450845 (OP)
>F1 is released
>roastoids and faggoids cry about abuse allegations against Pitt
>This does nothing to stop F1 from being a box office success
>now roastoids and faggoids are attacking his filmography
This is a great way to review an actors filmography. Do Se7en next.

I'm a project manager, I do very little day to day. I just send emails occasionally. I read books in pdf format on my computer when in the office.

>>212456357
nigga all that shit was a farce to get some dudes to blow up a building
he didn't really believe it, they needed a crusade.
The dialogue feels clunky and ridiculous and needy because it is
>Our great depression.. Is our lives
Boo fucking hoo, now blow up this building so I can get some pussy.
Movie sucked.

>>212450845 (OP)
But I'm a neet and too anxious/awkward for most normie jobs but yet I still wish I had at least some money.

>>212456147
I watched it years ago
>>212456147
>>212456357
So it doesn't really have anything to do with 'buying the wrong things' or 'money'.

Assuming he lives on an island with no currency, he would still spend time doing things that aren't meaningful to him.
Is that the message? If so, how was it deep? It seemed pretty surface-level and straightforward.

>>212456672
Do you at least have a real purpose in life outside of work?

>>212450845 (OP)
he right doe

>>212456898
Loving my wife

>>212456601
Reddit post

>>212456357
The message wasn’t muddled at all, you’ve just been conditioned to see any criticism of “capitalism” as communist. Tyler was an anarcho-tribalist. He wanted hunter-gathering in the ruins of what he felt was a bullshit civilization. Reminder this is before they started decrypting uncle Ted’s stuff, so that can’t even be listed as an influence.

>>212456871
Dude, watch the movie.

Really don’t get this whole “imma go on 4chan and have anonymous posters call me a moron while they describe the movie to me” thing

The book sucked btw.

>>212450845 (OP)
Dude like i wanna be Tyler so bad dude like dude he´s totally right dude

>>212457155
I already watched the movie.
I don't need a description of it.
I need someone to show me why the dialogue in the OP was deep. It wasn't.

>>212457549
So why do you think anyone else knows the magic words to get something to click for you? There’s more than just a language barrier between whites and browns, after all.

>>212457677
>So why do you think anyone else knows the magic words to get something to click for you?
How does OP know if the message clicks for others or if it was deep? He doesn't.
That's why he tried to discuss it.

> There’s more than just a language barrier
What was it? Cultural difference is not a factor in our case.
>"Working jobs we hate so can buy shit we don't need"
It was a universal message that applies to any country in human society. It's just shallow and straightforward.

>>212451210
This. It’s like people who say money won’t make you happy and they list all their problems. Meanwhile I have all the same problems and am also broke.

>>212457549
Whoever said it's deep in the first place?

And since you clearly failed to grasp what this scene is about, why be so adamant on how deep it is not? It just makes look stupid. It's not deep, it's pop, and you still don't get it.

>>212450875
good morning saar

>>212458296
>Whoever said it's deep in the first place?

>>212450845 (OP)
>Woah, that's deep dude

>>212458391
Clearly, OP is a fag.

Where do you think you are?

>>212450875
But you're studying to be a vet, right?

>>212451907
No the whole point is modern society is emasculating and his alter ego is revolting against it. The end is him realizing he went to far and succumbing to comforts

>>212452740
And it's off centre. This is truly the perfect representation of an NPC. Oblivious to anything that might seem upsetting. My autistic 4chan riddled mind would be so upset by this I would suspect that something this irritating could only be the work of jews somehow. And now I wonder if this consumption creature is jewish.......fuck

>>212452408
Do you fags srsly not have unions? I would have just told them to fuck themselves (i also did that to the store owner and a manager) and the only fallout was the owner cut my shifts for like a week or two illegally

>>212450875
I work in an ass station. We are NOT the same.

>>212458155
>Cultural difference is not a factor in our case

Yes, it is.

>>212458391
So the ESL failing you experienced was the lack of ability to pick up sarcasm.

>>212450845 (OP)
Having a job does suck though

>>212452338
I never did it at Sam's Club, but it feels kind of anti-social. Walmart is a pretty chill job tho.

>>212458391
It's clearly sarcasm to get a discussion going, lmao

>>212458813
Americans have no worker's rights.

>>212455245

Furniture sales are way down in the last few years. I'm sorry you are illiterate.

>>212460987
Because they keep jacking up prices for shit made in China, so people are buying direct or buying refurbished for a fraction of the price.

>>212458813
Only like tradesman and public servants have unions these days. Any kind of job that is primarily employed by small businesses and or large corporations has no hope of unionizing these days.

>>212450845 (OP)
Still true

I switched my pool over to salt water this year and haven't looked back

I like buying product and getting excited for new products

>>212450845 (OP)
Now we work jobs we hate for shit we do need but can't afford.

>>212450845 (OP)
I work a job i am good at and save my money so I can buy stuff I want whenever I feel like it. I am far more free than those guys could ever be even in a movie universe.

>>212452028
most dumb people would like to be smarter. having Opinions about Politics [even ones canned ones] makes them feel like they're participating in intellectual culture. it's sad but understandable.

so just stop buying it if you don't need it ?
not very deep..

>>212452066
>That's rajio taiso. It's a calisthenics routine for the whole Japanese population designed to keep them healthy. It's intended for the benefit of the people doing it, not to humiliate them,
so is the wagie dance, different paths towards the same (imagined) goal of some clueless suit.
>and it's not mandatory.

Y'all act like ya' never heard of Chuck Palahniuk before. That's his gimmick ya' see

>>212451020

>>212453796
They're basically a hobby for bored wealthy housewives. They don't need to turn a consistent profit since the owner isn't relying on the business to make ends meet. But it does give her lots of stuff to post online and to talk about with her gal pals.

>>212450875
Clean that shit up.