>Come on, Mr. Frodo, I can't carry it for you...but I can carry you!
If that's true why couldn't they have just put the ring in a box and carried said box with them?

>>212517683 (OP)
The members of the Fellowship just wanted to see the gnomes suffer.

What is humility for five gold pressed bars of latinum?

Science deniers have been unable to refute this.

>>212517683 (OP)
Are you implying the ring weighs a lot and Frodo is the chosen one? I don't think you understand the point.

>>212517903
I thought the point was the ring had to be carried by someone with a good heart because it seeks to corrupt the wearer, but if Sam can carry Frodo who is carrying the ring then that means someone can carry it without being impacted so long as its on something else that they're carrying - hence why a box should've worked.

>>212517880
Boromir was was affe ted by the ring and it was just close by him.
The ring is sentient to a degree and it doesn't need to comply with hard and fast rules.

>>212518084
Sam is incorruptible in his humility and sense of duty. All he can think about the whole trip is going back to the Shire and sticking his hands in the dirt

>>212518472
>Sam is incorruptible in his humility and sense of duty. All he can think about the whole trip is going back to the Shire and sticking his hands in the dirt
Also that time he though about claiming the ring and conquering the world.

>>212518472
>All he can think about the whole trip is going back to the Shire and sticking his hands in the dirt
I thought he wanted to stick something in Rosie Cotton.

>>212518084
Sam barely carried Frodo anywhere. And the ring was already working on Frodo who was still "good of heart".

"England is a nation of shopkeepers and Samwise Gamgees!" - Sonichu

>>212518472
>the dirt
don't talk about Rosie that way.

>>212517880
>transitive properties
>transitive
>trans

Sam could carry the ring and he did briefly; don't you remember?
>IT'S GONE, THEY'VE TAKEN IT!!!
>Beggin' your pardon, Mr. Frodo, but they haven't

The eight seconds that he carried Frodo carrying the ring are no big deal.

>>212517683 (OP)
I like how its obvious when you retards cant use your imagination for more than an attosecond

>>212518084
>I thought the point was the ring had to be carried by someone with a good heart because it seeks to corrupt the wearer, but if Sam can carry Frodo who is carrying the ring then that means someone can carry it without being impacted so long as its on something else that they're carrying - hence why a box should've worked.
Well it's all deliberately vague but I assume most people assume that Frodo acts as a sort of buffer. He's absorbing the malevolent influence. But if it's just in a box, or on the end of a stick or something, that's no buffer; it's the same as you carrying it. (I mean when it's in his pocket, that's still bad, isn't it, so the layers of cloth do nothing.)


A better argument:

After Isildur got killed, the ring was lost for TWO THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED (2500) years before Gollum found it.

So basically, if the ring is just lying around somewhere, Sauron has pretty much no power to find it.

So you have Strategy 1:
Take ring to Mount Doom, throw in fire.
If you succeed, (chances: about 10%), OK, job done forever.
But if you fail along the way (chances: about 90%) you risk actually giving the ring to Sauron, which is very bad.

Or, Strategy 2:
Melt some iron ore, put the ring in it, cast it into a boring lump. Wait until it's cool. Give the boring lump of iron to Sam & Frodo. They take it off somewhere very very remote and bury it. When they return, Galadriel wipes Frodo's memory with her magic tantric memory-wiping sex skills so he can't remember where they put it. Sam will forget where they put it anyway because he's only interested in fish & chips and Rosie Cotton.

Problem basically solved for the foreseeable future with very little risk. (Only danger that I can see is Boromir might get obsessed with it and go out and start digging all over the place like those people hunting for the Beale Treasure.)


Strategy #2 seems preferable to me.

>>212518780
>Strategy 2

>>212518577
Do you have permission to use this image?

>>212518472
Slave Morality

>>212517683 (OP)
Because the weight isn’t physical retard. It’s mental weight. They’d still feel the heaviness of the ring weighing on their mind even if they never touched it

>>212518659
LotR? Woke?

>>212517880
Who says it didnt effect him? He was tempted at lesst once by the ring.

Also the ring was on a chain what difference is that verses a box? It still tempts by its prescence alone.

why didnt they just give the ring to the balrog and thats what i would have done

>>212519715
Yeah but as I said, 2500 years. So how hard is it trying? What can it actually do? Not much by the looks of it.

I mean there's a sort of suggestion it sort of slips off someone's finger at an opportune moment. But that's about it. It can just (maybe) influence people around it. Can it get out of a block of iron buried in a hill somewhere in the back of beyond? I don't think so.

Also, if you're scared of the ring's wanting to get back to its master, maybe TAKING IT BACK TO HIS STRONGHOLD is just what it wants you to do!

So that cuts both ways.

>>212518780
Strategy 2 fails because
>Sauron is a fallen god with eons of patience, he can out-wait any mortals.
>Evil is much better at understanding very rational plans rather than hail mary passes that rely on God Himself nudging the football across the goal line - option 2 plays hard into the enemy's strengths.

>>212519961
It's doing its best.

>>212519979
But you're forgetting the huge risk that Strategy 1 entails. It's literally much more likely to fail than succeed.

Don't read the silmarilion
It's shit.

>>212519860
They should clearly have given it to Goldberry.

She would keep it and not lose it because it's pretty and because it was a gift. She would not be corrupted by it because Tom Bombadil has a +100 Area of Effect anti-ring buff and the two are never separated.

>>212517880
AFFECT

>>212519822
AFFECT

>>212519961
I assume the ring was lying in wait for Sauron to regain his power.

>>212517880
>twitter ACKUALLY retard

>>212517683 (OP)
I know this is bait, but let's finish that line of logic ..

>ask Frodo to put ring in a box
>ring tells him "no don't do that"
>ok so someone take the ring from Frodo and put it in the box
>Now have to give Ring to (X)
>Ring says "no I don't want to be put in a box"

So now you've corrupted a handful of your fellowship members, good job. The Ring is alive, retard. Best thing to do is trick it that you are a ring bearer and never put it on

>>212519961
The issue is it just kicks the can down the road. I the ring exists then Sauron exists. He still defeats Gondor even without the ring. Then he can take 5,000 years and find it.

>>212518659
>rent free

Lord of the Ring is alright but I feel the books are just above Harry Potter in terms of prose and general writing. Surely he wanted this for the kids that enjoyed the Hobbit. It's just poor literature.

What about a catapult?

>>212520584
Imagine typing this unironically.

THE FOKKIN RING'S ON ME COCK AND I CAN'T GET IT OFF

>>212518084
THE RING TEMPTED SAM. HE WAS NOT IMMUNE TO ITS POWERS BY SOME STUPID LOOPHOLE OF CARRYING FRODO, HE SIMPLE WITHSTOOD THE RING'S CORRUPTION HAVING NOT FELT IT YET AFTER FRODO SUFFERED THE BURDON FOR FAR LONGER THAN HE HAD. YOU MIDDLE-BRAINED FUCKING RETARD.

>>212520603
>>212520584
Fantasy is for kids anyway. Martin, Tolkien, Rowling, whatever, teens love that shit until they finally get aware they are real authors out there.

>>212520652
Why wouldn't they show that

>>212520724
BECAUSE PETER JACKSON IS A HACK. READ THE FUCKING BOOK YOU DUMB MOTHERFUCKER.

>>212520724
Would have been too kino.
>His thought turned to the Ring, but there was no comfort there, only dread and danger. No sooner had he come in sight of Mount Doom, burning far away, than he was aware of a change in his burden. As it drew near the great furnaces where, in the deeps of time, it had been shaped and forged, the Ring's power grew, and it became more fell, untameable except by some mighty will.
>As Sam stood there, even though the Ring was not on him but hanging by its chain about his neck, he felt himself enlarged, as if he were robed in a huge distorted shadow of himself, a vast and ominous threat halted upon the walls of Mordor. He felt that he had from now on only two choices: to forbear the Ring, though it would torment him; or to claim it, and challenge the Power that sat in its dark hold beyond the valley of shadows. Already the Ring tempted him, gnawing at his will and reason. Wild fantasies arose in his mind; and he saw Samwise the Strong, Hero of the Age, striding with a flaming sword across the darkened land, and armies flocking to his call as he marched to the overthrow of Barad-dur.
>And then all the clouds rolled away, and the white sun shone, and at his command the vale of Gorgoroth became a garden of flowers and trees and brought forth fruit. He had only to put on the Ring and claim it for his own, and all this could be. In that hour of trial it was his love of his master that helped most to hold him firm; but also deep down in him lived still unconquered his plain hobbit-sense: he knew in the core of his heart that he was not large enough to bear such a burden, even if such visions were not a mere cheat to betray him. The one small garden of a free gardener was all his need and due, not a garden swollen to a realm; his own hands to use, not the hands of others to command. 'And anyway all these notions are only a trick, he said to himself.

>>212520376
That's pretty much what they say, Sauron got his ass beat so hard it took him milennia to get to where he was during the story - they had to destroy the ring then and now because any longer and he'd be back to full power

>>212520652
I'm not the other guy but if it's a matter of "the longer you carry it the worse it gets", why not just have several people, each carrying it for a little while?

I mean clearly some people are more affected by it than others, depending on their desire for power (Gandalf knows he shouldn't take it, Galadriel overcomes it with a struggle, Boromir would be corrupted very quickly, etc) but you can surely find a small group of cheery Frodo-esque comfy folk to take it in turns?


I think JRRT just kept all this very fuzzy deliberately because it's hard to make it work like a Brandon Sanderson system with strict rules.

>>212520769
>>212520652
Also reminder that Frodo had worn the ring several times over the course of the journey which assuredly sped up his corruption. Had he not worn it he'd almost assuredly have had no issues up until Mt Doom itself

*screams externally*

>>212520698
This is bottom of the barrel bait, nobody is this dense about who Tolkien was.

>>212520698
see
>>212520769
For kids!

Men only want one thing and its disgusting.

>>212520348
>AFFECT
to put on a false appearance of (something) : to pretend to feel, have, or do (something) : feign affect indifference affect surprise

>>212521039

>>212518472
your move white man:
>power and dominion over the known world
or
>watching this girl dance with flowers in her hair
there is a correct answer and you should be able to solve this question with the information provided

>>212520586
Ah, a fellow ancient one!

>Are you coming to Shire with us Grandelf? No Frodo, as I said, my shift is over, I don't have to be with you anymore. Grandelf said stretching his legs and kicking Pippin in the face. By the way, Sauron's man has conquered Shire. Then Grandelf grinned at Sam and said. They would have also raped Rosie but you can't rape the willing. My goodness Mr. Frodo what is Grandelf saying? Well Sam, Rosie was always aloof lass... Well that's that, said Grandelf. I'm off to smoke weed with Bombadil, he is a good friend. Later Faggins.

>>212520168
Strategy 2 fails anyone because Sauron doesn't NEED the ring to take over Middle Earth.
Has no one read the books? They directly address this.

>>212521658
this is the case in the films too
'durr bury it somewhere' is 60 IQ

The Rivendell chapter is like 5 pages of Gandalf monologuing about why alternate plans are the wrong idea
That said, eagles weren’t mentioned so he forgot that one

>>212517683 (OP)
rules of acquisition #15: acting stupid is often smart

>>212518780
>magic tantric memory-wiping sex skills
why didn't she use these on Boromir after reading his mind and identifying ringlust

>>212517683 (OP)
The box would turn evil from the temptation of power then when they opened it it would unless all the ills that plague mankind like greed, strife, pride, ect. The only thing Frodo would manage to catch before it left would have been hope, thats why they can't put it in a box.

>>212517880
>no ill effects
>50 years later Disney takes over middle earth due to evil mouse fuckery

>>212518780
In that scenario, Sauron wins. He has enough power and influence to win without the ring.

>>212522560
>box still corrupts the hearts of men hundreds of years after the ring is destroyed

>>212522603
Fucking Pandora, that bitch! And after Gandalf warned her too!

>>212517880
yes but the person taping the ring to the other creature would be effected, also who knows the effects that would happen to the creature.

some of you seem to be forgetting that it's a magic ring, not a science ring

Do you think gollum put it on his wiener?

>>212521033
Nothing will ever beat watching this scene, opening weekend with a full audience and everyone literally cheering. People stood up and clapped at the credits, wasn't a dry eye in the theater.

God I miss when movies were fun like this

>>212520530
Sauron wanted the ring immediately so that it couldn't be used against him. That was Sauron's greatest fear, Gandalf/Aragorn/Galadriel would use the ring to destroy him.
The ring being lost by Golem was intended, being found by Bilbo was not. Sauron probably wanted it to stay hidden in the mountains while he built up his power and eventually crushed all opposition.

>>212517683 (OP)
they could have

>>212517683 (OP)
>If that's true why couldn't they have just put the ring in a box and carried said box with them?

Whoever is vearing the box would just be the new ring bearer. The ring is condensed dark magic of saurons sould. Its not going to be contained by a box

>>212524647
lol i remember hatewatching a bit of I Am Jazz on some film website ages go. Did this really happen? It all went pearshaped? Or should I say popshaped?

>>212517880
>give ring to rat
>you accidentally a rat king
>rat king is buffed by 10 000 years of rat ancestors and dark magic
>goes agro. Bites off Frodos hand and takes the ring thru the sewers to mordor

Great plan dingus

>>212522865
>effected
Is mixing up "affected" and "effected" the new "turn 360 degrees and walk away" or something? Hard to keep up with the merry-go-round of lunacy. Oh well it's my fault for leaving /tv/ for a few years I suppose.

>>212524647
Literally obsessed, can we go one thread, one movie without it being about trannies?

>>212524937
I only know what was posted here, and it seemed like they immediately became obese and depressed.

>>212525097
I only had two images about Sauron at hand, the other one was this. If anything, blame /tv/ for their morbid obsession.

Sam was wrong though, it all falls apart when you realise that

>>212517880
>mouse is now invisible
>mouse has now escaped
>middle earth is fucked

>>212525135
Here you can save this one for next time.

>>212521250
Sam plowed so many babies into her it's nuts. Merry and Pippin were like "whoa, Sam, you have seven already, don't you think you should stop?" And Sam's like "well sure, I fucked her once today, but what about second fucking? She's good for at least six more kids of mine!" Guy was a machine!

>>212524647
>the ring being lost by Golem was intended
It wasn't. The Ring was a fucking retard. It had the fucking King of Gondor under its power. It could have corrupted him to make the entire realm a servant of Sauron. Cause him to make war on Rohan and conquer it. Three thousand years it had time to make Middle Earth ready to accept Sauron's return. Instead the dumb shit ring got Isildur killed by a river and itself lost. Thousands of years it just sat in the river doing jack shit. The Nazgul could have taken it back to Mordor or any number of things, if it hadn't been such a stupid ring.

>>212520872
each additional person presents inherent potential for corruption. pretty obvious

>>212518780
>>212520530
>>212522590
>>212521658
>Strategy 2 fails anyone because Sauron doesn't NEED the ring to take over Middle Earth.

This. We often think of the effort to destroy the ring to keep it from Sauron, but in reality the "coincidence" of the ring's appearance is less a danger than actually the only chance of stopping his seemingly assured (ring-less) ictory.

The SciFi & Fantasy StackExchange is a good resource for things like this. Check the link below (and follow the linked questions backward in time, as well).
https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/271837/if-sauron-wins-eventually-without-the-ring-why-werent-elrond-gandalf-in-panic

>>212525253
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOsb02uPOyw

Where was Radaghast during all this? Did he just become a crazy homeless dude in the woods hanging out with deer and birds? Not the best wizard to assign to this task

>>212525629
that mouse video was very decent, the only part I found weak was the short battle sequence. Mice and rats really fuck each other up IRL, this looked like they were barely nibbling. Should've just skipped it.

>>212525918
>radagast 'the brown'
>never shown doing a single day of work
bravo, JRR

>>212517880
Is he a retard? Sam absolutely was affected. What saved him was that he was a simple man with humble dreams, and the best the Ring could come up with as temptation was to give him a vision of Sam becoming a master gardener, turning the entire land into something flowering and beautiful.

>>212525503
> It could have corrupted him to make the entire realm a servant of Sauron.
Who's to say it wasn't trying to do that?

>Instead the dumb shit ring got Isildur killed by a river and itself lost.
The movie doesn't make it clear, but Isildur was killed 2 years later, during a trip north to (among other things) visit Rivendell and likely turn over the ring.

>There was a pause, thought the most keen-eyed among the Dúnedain said that the Orcs were moving inwards, stealthily, step by step. Elendur went to his father, who was standing dark and alone, as if lost in thought. 'Atarinya,' he said, 'what of the power that would cow these foul creatures and command them to obey you? Is it then of no avail?'

>'Alas, it is not, senya. I cannot use it. I dread the pain of touching it. [23]. And I have not yet found the strength to bend it to my will. It needs one greater than I now know myself to be. My pride has fallen. It should go to the Keepers of the Three.'

Sam's a dehydrated and fatigued mess when he says that. Why are you assuming he's perfectly describing the laws of the ring, something far beyond his own comprehension at the best of times?

>>212525503
>>212526164
You're both retarded. It's make explicitly clear that the Ring never managed to get any sway over Isildur. He never even used it, just carried it around as wergild, a blood ransom as payment for the death of his father.

Even the Elves weren't aware that it held Sauron's spirit, which is why they let Isildur have it.

>>212517880
This is not true, Sam was just the perfect combination of strong willed but also "simple" minded

>>212526163
He was a simple man and absolutely iron willed when it came to protecting his "master". The ring couldn't really get him because he didn't have the grand desires or big ego that's often correlated to a strength of will like that

>>212517683 (OP)
>>212517880
>>212518084
>>212518472

The ring can corrupt without you touching it. Sam says "I can't carry it for you" because Frodo is so deep in the shit that it was pretty much impossible for him to hand the ring to Sam.

asked a gay co worker to weigh in on the Sam/Frodo homolust and they said that yeah its pretty fucking gay

>>212517880
I hate clever people so much its unreal. I dislike dumb people and I dislike smart people. But jfc I fucking HATE clever people.

>>212526570
>I am le hecking cynic about a beloved piece of media
Nigga just put on the kino and feel some genuine emotion watching this heroic, deeply good, wonderful adventure story instead of killing any chance at real feels by kneejerk distancing irony. Why are you so afraid of being moved?

>>212526708
i call it as as i see it

>>212526733
Nah. Youre emotionally stunted and/or too cynical. Congrats on your brain rot

>>212526222
>explicitly clear that the Ring never managed to get any sway over Isildur.
Yes, one of your linked posts says he was "under its power". I'm the other one, implying it was "trying to do that".

>He never even used it
The "pain" of even touching it (and who knows what side effects of trying "to bend it to my will") had led Isildur to abandon his "fallen" pride and give the ring to others.

>which is why they let Isildur have it.
As opposed to doing what? Murdering him and inciting a war among the Last Alliance?

The question was, assuming the ring itself has any agency, why would it give up the throne of Gondor for the Anduin silt. Answer: It was cutting its losses before ending up in a much worse position.

>>212525503
The Ring is smarter than you. Its survival depended in staying hidden. Sauron had lost the war and alliances between Elves and Men were strong. There were a lot more Elves around too. Sauron himself was basically a disembodied spirit biding his time. He would've been in no condition to fight a war a second time, especially if Elves figured out the Ring's true ability of safekeeping Sauron's power and made destroying it a priority.
Best thing to do is to hide the Ring and his spirit away until the alliances are forgotten, the defenses worn down, the orc army all grown up and the treehuggers gone back west. The entire Third Age is almost ridiculously short by Maiar standard

>>212526356
The Ring focused all its power on Frodo for months, for Sam it had barely hours.
Sam definitely would've cracked eventually, but there was no time left.

>>212526164
Surely Isildur must have written of that in his journal when he was describing things about the ring. But still Boromir acts like he can use it to empower Gondor and defeat Sauron

>>212526867
It's funny that Isildur would take it hundreds of miles North instead of just heading back into Mordor next door and destroying it in the volcano

>>212517683 (OP)
Does anyone have the meme of sam saying something along the lines of
>I can't throw it into the fire for you, mr frodo, but I can throw you
And shows rudy chuck that little fag into the lava?

>>212527182
Yes, but do we have reason to believe that this letter was known to them? Gandalf seems to make it seem like he found something long overlooked.

>>212527280
Yes, I'd assume Mordor was still pacified at this point, even all the way to the Mount. But...

1) he was headed north for another reason: to visit Arnor and re-unite with his family in Rivendell on the way.
2) it could easily be explained as either the remnants of his pride, the ring's influence, or just plain caution which made him rationalize the lesser task--leaving its future to the Wise--rather than destroying his costly weregild.

>>212526163
>As he stood there, even though the Ring was not on him but hanging by its chain about his neck, he felt himself enlarged, as if he were robed in a huge distorted shadow of himself, and vast and ominous threat halted upon the walls of Mordor...

>Wild fantasies arose in his mind; and he saw Samwise the Strong, Hero of the Age, striding with a flaming sword across the darkened land, and armies flocking to his call as he marched to the overthrow of Barad-dur... He had only to put on the Ring and claim it for his own, and all this could be.

>In that hour of trial it was the love of his master that helped most to hold him firm; but also deep down in him lived still unconquered his plain hobbit-sense: he knew in the core of his heart that he was not large enough to bear such a burden, even if such visions were not a mere cheat to betray him. The one small garden of a free gardener was all his need and due, not a garden swollen to a realm; his own hands to use, not the hands of others to command.

>>212518659
>he's using tran-sisters to trans-fur his (homosexually repressed) opinions

Samwise Gamgee is one of the most brilliantly written characters in all of fiction and I'm being completely unironic. The Fellowship sets him up to be a minor character who joins the Fellowship by pure happen chance, and he seems unassuming and feels as though he's a background character with all these powerful and heroic characters beside him (Gandalf, Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas), but by the end of Return of the King he is not only the most heroic and loyal character in the trilogy, but the most integral in the Rings destruction. So much so that the most iconic fantasy trilogy of all time literally ends with him.

>At last the three companions turned away, and never again looking back they rode slowly homewards; and they spoke no word to one another until they came back to the Shire, but each had great comfort in his friends on the long grey road. At last they rode over the downs and took the East Road, and then Merry and Pippin rode on to Buckland; and already they were singing again as they went. But Sam turned to Bywater, and so came back up the Hill, as day was ending
once more. And he went on, and there was yellow light, and fire within; and the evening meal was ready, and he was
expected. And Rose drew him in, and set him in his chair, and put little Elanor upon his lap. He drew a deep breath. ‘Well, I’m back,’ he said.

>>212520769
>it was his love of his master that helped most to hold him firm
so buckbreaking defeated the ring?

The people that still try to debunk LOTR on a plot-level 100 years after it was written are niggers desu

>>212517683 (OP)
because then you're the person carrying the ring and can be corrupted by it. if someone else is carrying the ring, you can carry them and it doesn't rub off on you because of the one person buffer. you need that person buffer. a box or pocket or whatever doesn't buffer you from the effects

>>212517683 (OP)
Or you know instead of Sam carrying why not an animal, say… an eagle?

>>212517880
the ring effects in mysterious ways

>>212529257
So very sweet. And the Shire would be overrun with Gamgees soon with the amount of children they had. Plus he was mayor for 49 years and owned Bag-End. Then he even got to go across the water to reunite with Frodo at the end of his life

>>212517683 (OP)
>>212517880
lol how many times was it explained, even in the theatrical version, that Frodo is bearing the ring and thus all of its evil gets sent to him. Same thing that happened to gollum unless you’re retarded enough to assume the fish near the ring became Nazgûl fish!

If Aragorn or Gandalf carried the ring it would turn them evil.

Bros I can barely watch Rotk these days, it might not be TheHobbit-level terrible but it's still pretty fucking bad. Jackson really dropped the ball

>>212532537
And yet Sauron is stupid enough to think Pippin has the ring

>>212520769
t>>212520724
they did in 1980
and its kino.
https://youtu.be/1PE-5ETUtW4?si=lDEHlZDntzIOgxV0

>>212517683 (OP)
So is the Ring sorta like Thor's Hammer. Only the chosen one can wield it, and it becomes too heavy for others?

>>212517683 (OP)
Maybe you should watch the fucking movie you retard.

>>212517880
Tolkien explicitly states Sam is affected by the ring but overcame it multiple times just like Frodo.

>>212532565
Yeah...that's a theme about evil? Immense power to change and corrupt, but horribly short sighted and stupid about the smallest thing because he can't empathize, or understand love or the things that make us unique.

>>212525135
You didn't have to post it retard. You can just go online and find something

>>212535199
Doesn't actually seem like it fits Sauron. But Sauron has so many years and forms that he can be anything needed I guess

>>212525008
>using loose when they mean lose
I'll never understand the confusion.

What was sauron's endgame ?

>>212517683 (OP)
>>212517880
sam carries the ring for a brief period in the books. sam and frodo being split by gollum is easily the worst part of the movies and the biggest betrayal to sam's character, and replaces the actual portion where sam thought frodo was dead but felt the need to continue the mission.

>>212535293
How does it not? He consistently doesn't understand the love that Eru has for elves and Men, he doesn't understand the gifts given to mortals, he's bitter, he's spiteful, he cosplays as Morgoth because he doesn't understand what makes him feared. He loves nothing. He admires nobody but himself. He's incapable, by the corruption of his own mind, to comprehend the love of "leaser" creatures in Arda.

>>212535351
He wanted to become the Ford Motor Company and revolutionize assembly line manufacturing.

>>212535351
Unironically to kick God in the balls and make the West great again.

>>212526640
You think that guy is clever? He's not. I am, but you like me, at least you would if you got to know me.

Did they really show Durins Bane, Rivendell, Narsil and Gandalf in the last episode?

So Sauron is defeated, Mordor is emptied, then the Wizards are sent down some time later? Some humans take up a bit of residency in/near the western Mordor mountains to keep watch. But they are apparently driven out thousands of years later by evil and don't raise any alarms. Along with the Wizards, couldn't Eru also send down some magical spirit that would have transformed Mordor into a beautiful, fertile land that people would enjoy living in and evil would flee? How about the Elves planting a forest in Mordor and living there?

What if Cheesed to meet you wore the One Ring as a toe ring and I had the opportunity to suck her Welsh toes

>>212517683 (OP)
>Mr Frodo, forget the ring forget mordor, just come over here and fuck me up the ass ok.

>>212535738
Eru doesn't do anything directly and he got so fucking mad people kept trying to fuck with Valinor he severed it from reality.
The wizards were sent by the Valar and even they don't like to directly interfere.

>>212517683 (OP)
>If that's true why couldn't they have just put the ring in a box and carried said box with them?
The ring still had an effect on him, he just pushed through with sheer willpower

>>212537278
>The wizards were sent by the Valar
Then they could have sent someone to live in Mordor. I'm just saying why leave that evil realm just chilling there empty for thousands of years? It could have been magically healed and used for something else, which would make it way harder for Sauron to do anything upon return. He wouldn't just walk back in with everything waiting for him

reminder that boromir was also a ring bearer and had he survived he would have been allowed to sail to the undying lands (where he would still die, but at least do so peacefully)

>>212537341
Dude there's like millions of orcs living there and every magical race is quickly losing their power. They can't just purge the evil out of a place.

>>212526475
It's almost unbelievable how autistic people are, isn't it?

>>212537380
Sauron literally just died a time and human/elves were are the height of their power. That's a silly copout.
>Ok, we killed your boss, Orcs. Now all of you go back to your cities in Mordor and don't you start any trouble or do any evil! Or we'll be back in a thousand years!

>>212537374
forgor pic

>>212537468
the beginning of the third age was literally the start of their decline and, again, there is still armies of orcs living there.
They JUST had enough power to defeat sauron. They can't just go in their and pull a CHIM.

>>212525334

What if Sauron was a girl?

>>212535738
>tfw going to see LOTR with group and you Rhun to Sea Nurnen but Morannons get in the way, so you end up having to sit Near Harad and spot her holding Khands with Brad Dur

>>212517683 (OP)
put the ring in a box, give the box and a bag of food to legolas and fucker could run all the way to the lava before any orc even knew he was there lol.

>>212517683 (OP)
Put ring on a rat
Put rat inside cage
Carry cage to Mount Doom
???
Profit

>>212517683 (OP)
If only the simpleminded can’t be affected by the desire for power why couldn’t they just ride a retard to Mt. Doom à la Hodor? Once again GRRM outdoes Tolkien.

>>212537881

>>212517683 (OP)
Sam actually could've carried it for Frodo the whole time but just didn't believe in himself nor really care about saving the world compared to his autistic loyalty for Frodo specifically, hence this scene. Sam may actually be *more* resistant to the ring than Frodo overall - but Sam couldn't have been the ring bearer because if at any point Frodo just said, "fuck it, let's go home." Sam would've obliged. Frodo inherited Bilbo's sense of adventure and higher purpose that's almost totally unnatural to Hobbits.

>>212529257
>pure happen chance

>>212517880
>explicitly told that the ring will make every attempt it can to return to its master
>lets tape it to an animal and just hope it doesn't ever run away
Damn, what a dipshit post.

I just want to say that I still tear up at multiple scenes during the trilogy. This thread just reminded me of Sam's speech about old tales and things worth fighting for. You cunt.

>>212520872
if you have a barrel of booze you absolutely have to drink over a set amount of time without anyone ever getting actually drunk you'd wanna give it out to the guy who handles his liquor the best

>>212538402
But you just proved his point. Why not spread it out to like 1000 people so that there’s no chance someone would get drunk as all they’d get is one sip.

>>212517683 (OP)
Lotr is stupid ass white garbage. Figures that their movies have all whites in them. Just like the Texas rivers.

>>212517880
lotr troons are really boiling at this one

>>212539551
>say dumb shit
>get called a retard
>lol trolled
whatever helps you sleep at night

We need a proper anime adaptation where each ep is a chapter. It disgusts me most people's knowledge of LOTR stems from adaptations as fucking terrible as Jackson's Two Towers and Return of the King

Why didn't Frodo just put the ring on his penis and then get an erection? Sauron would have to jack him off to relieve the pressure and so even if he was then an all-powerful evil super being, everyone would just laugh at him and call him a dirty faggot.

>>212518084
Nah retards, it can only actively channel its corruption. Since hobbits can wear the the ring an extended time it takes an exoborate concentrated will to corrupt and if its busy corrupting Frodo then it wont have any effect on Sam.

>>212517880
its magic, there, I rendered your post gay and retarded

>>212518780
>cast it into a boring lump. Wait until it's cool. Give the boring lump of iron to Sam & Frodo
So wait, is the lump supposed to be cool now or boring? I cant tell?

>>212535738
Turin kills Morgoth and Eru recreates the world

Put ring on Arya Stark
Tell her to go to Mount Doom
Problem solved