Watched Superman yesterday. It ultimately felt like a comic book come to life, for better or for worse. It's MCU slop in a DC universe that begins with a literal exposition of metahumans, before another exposition via an interview between Lois Lane and Superman to explain geopolitical conflicts.

Decided, hey let's try watching Man of Steel today to compare, since it's been over a decade since I've seen it. 2 minutes in, and I'm already blown away at how much better it is than Superman. We begin with the literal birth of Kal-El (which is allegorical for the film itself, being a self-contained story). Immediately after we jump to world building whereby we see Krypton the planet, and an explanation for why Kal-El eventually will find himself on Earth.

The differences in these two films can adequately be explained by their first two minutes. In Man of Steel, we're shown a fantastical world and given a brief dialogue to aid in world building. In Superman, we're given a brief exposition to catch us up to speed on the metahuman known as Superman, before showing him injured and in literal tears before his ill-behaved super dog starts jumping on him (a clever trick from Gunn to make the audience laugh from the onset, to prime them to like the film more than they otherwise would).

To summarize, so far:
>Man of Steel: Shows, doesn't tell; is designed for adults
>Superman (2025): Tells, doesn't show; is designed for children.

If this thread is still up as I advance in Man of Steel, I will make more comparisons.

>capeslop
grow up

>>212597800 (OP)
I've never met anyone under 50 that liked Donner's Superman. It's just boring and lame.

nice ai post faggot

>>212597973
That's not even close to what AIslop looks like, retarded fucking zoomer. That all came from my brain. Believe it or not, some of us know how to write. Unlike your illiterate generation.

>>212597800 (OP)
Man of Steel has visual poetry.
Gunn’s Supes has faux GoPro armpit shots.

>>212598202
/thread

Little less than a half hour in. There is a (refreshingly) conspicuous lack of dialogue in scenes. There is a LOT of "show, don't tell" going on, such as Clark's flashback to being in school and unable to control his X-ray vision or superhearing. He saves a boat from an explosion with minimal dialogue. Whereas in Superman, there is no breathing room for the plot to evolve; there is no attempt made at worldbuilding and to let the visuals speak for themselves.
>>212598202
I concur. I'm going to start describing this as visual poetry. The music is also much more better placed than in Superman. It's used more sparingly and appropriately to reinforce what a character is feeling. Whereas in Superman, the music was shown to tell the audience how they should feel. This is an important difference, so I'm also no longer going to accept any Gunnfags who say the music was top notch.

>>212597800 (OP)
>superman is designed for adults
this is why everyone mocks snyderfags

>>212597800 (OP)
imagine being a Snyder fag in 2025

Got to the scene all over /tv/ right now, where his dad dies. Scene is pure kino and more evidence of "show, don't tell". Then with Clark saying right after to Lois that he watched his father die, because his father believed the world wasn't ready to acknowledge the existence of Clark. Deep.

Another good example of show, don't tell is pic rel. The reason Clark is intelligent in Man of Steel is shown via a short scene where he's reading Plato. Whereas in Superman, he's an idiotic manchild.

Based thread. Gunnjeets are scared

Man of Steel has fight scenes that reflect Superman's (flawed) humanity. Focus on Zod, or protect people? Should Clark fight back against bullies, or hide his powers? Should Clark save his father, or stay hidden from the world? These are all ethical dilemmas that expose the humanity in Clark.

In Superman (2025), the humanity of Superman is explored by temper tantrums, verbal outbursts, and acknowledging to refer to his robot as "Gary" upon request. These aren't actions that reflect the human nature of Clark. They're poorly written narrative devices to make Clark appear human (which indeed he does), but he doesn't face any human choices in contrast to what his father instructs him to do. Going out of his way to save a squirrel, and expressing empathy toward a Kaiju that is about to die does not tackle any thematic human choices. It is a progressive's impression of what makes up humanity.

Man of Steel is infused with philosophical musings, covertly and subtly so, to force Superman into making difficult choices. Man of Steel introduces reality into the comic book hero Superman. Entertainment is achieved by appealing to humanity.

Superman (2025) is imbued with progressive ideals of what it means to be moral, though devoid of choice. Superman (2025) expresses cultural ideals via the medium of film. Entertainment is begged for by cheap jokes.

interestingly mos ends with a shot of a child wearing a red towel as a cape. per Synder’s own direction, inferring superman is for the children. what do you make this final shot of MOS, synderjeets?

>>212605075
This is the most surface level response to that scene kek. No wonder gunnjeets defend slop

>>212605075
It actually ends with Clark getting a job at the Daily Planet and formally introducing himself to Lois Lane. The scene you are referring to is the penultimate scene in the movie, and is meant to show how proud Papa Kent is of Clark, and that even in death, he was able to witness his son donning the cape to be the hero he knew Clark would one day be.

To be clear, this scene immediately followed Clark telling Mama Kent that he wished his dad could have seen what he did (becoming a hero in front of the world).

This is another example of Snyder demonstrating "show, don't tell". And is why I say this film is directed more toward adults. It appears you took the childish interpretation while also preferring Superman (2025). I would say your understanding of the scene is consistent with the rest of my posts ITT rebuking the fans of SuperGunn.

>>212597800 (OP)
>Man of Steel is a bad movie
FTFY

>>212605301
gunnjeets on suicide watch kek

>>212605301
>>212605255
>child wears a red towel
>this is actually a profound reading on how superman is for adults

try again. try harder. not even gunn had a child wearing a red cape, just the amazon early screener commercial

for fun: would you, as an adult, wear a red towel for a cape? punch your hand in the air and pretend to fly? remember, your favourite Superman film is for adults. I fully expect you to now

>>212597800 (OP)

>>212605430
Kek completely ignored the nuance and deliberate timing of the scene. Keep thinking pedogunn could do anything as simplely cinematic as that. Kek

For me, it is easy to judge who the better superman was. I have a diving rod that tells me who was better. When I see Cavill, it goes *SCHWINGG*

Retard, the reason Superman doesn't show you Clark's birth and the fall of Krypton is because EVERYONE IN THE WORLD ALREADY KNOWS ABOUT THESE EVENTS. Just like how I don't need to see Tom Holland's Spiderman get his powers or his Uncle Ben get shot because I already saw it in two other versions.

As a side note, god DAMN Kal El's mom is hot as fuck in Superman

>>212601630
The fact that this impresses you is indicative of how fucking retarded you are

>>212605568
I’ll throw you a bone and engage unironically. I didn’t cry watching mos. The film genuinely hurt my soul however that wound caused sincere introspection of my own values. Which IS saying something. Not every film asks me to examine my own morality and where my values originate. Gunn’s Superman though? Gunn made me cry. Actual fluid leaked from my tear ducts. Not butterfly tears. No Star Trek discovery of surface level trauma. All gunn had to do, was present the divinity of Clark’s soul. His capacity for kindness and altruism and just being a fucking dork. Perhaps these values are childish, and if so, so be it. I do know however which film will be revered. It won’t be the one contrarians make b8 threads on /tv/ so they can receive dopamine from the caustic attention.

>>212606094
So Man of Steel stimulated your brain
Superman (2025) stimulated your emotions
That you rate the latter better than the former shows you value emotions over thinking. Understood.

>>212597800 (OP)
I agree that MoS is a movie and Legacy is a comic book. It makes both of them incredibly enjoyable in different ways. People might not want to admit it, but Superman has gotten some of the best capeshit movies of all time.

>>212606189
Yeah. MOS is one of my favourite films. I love Superman. Simple as. But Supergunn is my beloved and MOS was a frustrating traffic stop in the decade of superheroes. Asking me where my license and registration was while I’m trying to get to promised land of the DC Universe.

I will continue engaging with you unironically and share an anecdote. My girlfriend in 2016 was telling me how her aunt took her two children, my gf’s two nephews, to see Dawn of Justice. I don’t know hold old they were but you know, children. During the knightmare scene, the two children apparently became quite bored, and then scared when Batman had his heart punched out by superman. That’s when the kids asked to leave, and the aunt walked out with the two.

You can pretend making Superman terrifying for children is a good thing. I think you’re absolutely fucking insane and there is a reason Gunn is making DC films and not Synder.

>>212601630
>reading plato makes you intelligent
Holy shit.

>>212606800
>a 14 year old reading Plato
Thats unironically the proper age to read Plato? Most kids dont?

>>212607102
He probably thinks intelligent people believe Plato is beneath them, and thus shouldn't be read. Or that intelligent people wouldn't read Plato. It's such a bizarre opinion... until you realize it's a very Indian perspective.

>>212604528
>Going out of his way to save a squirrel, and expressing empathy toward a Kaiju that is about to die

Alright, this got me interested. I'm seeing this movie.

>>212597800 (OP)
>Superman is lame

When's the next Batman movie coming out.

>>212607961
I wonder how long until synderjeets realize seeing good people doing good things make us feel good

>>212608186
Not when it's unearned. Superman would never cry for a fucking JEET and it was even more embarrassing that Metamorpho started crying because superman started crying. Who the fuck is this for? Trannies??

>>212609592
superman, as a matter of pointed and directed fact, would cry at the murder it any random human. the synderverse is dead bUrY iT sure yeah but it is buried for a reason and your comment and opinion are the smallest microcosm as to why

>>212609875
No he would absolutely not kek. Show me one time that has happened since it's comic accurate kek

>>212609875
Top kek

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>>212610348
I can’t think of anything more indicting to the synderjeet than posting an ai overview as bantz on /tv/. this is truly the lowest form of the human condition I have ever experienced and I sincerely mean this without subversion or hyperbole. may god have mercy on your souls

>>212610616
Jeets don't have souls, they're mud in human shape.

>>212610616
>>212610674
Then post the panel from a comic when superman is crying for a random you posers