Is it even possible to make a Superman movie that does well anymore? Even Aquaman and WW did better.

>>212629167 (OP)
opening weekend, maybe not.
long-term rebuilding of the brand, maybe. IMHO the movie is good enough.

>>212629167 (OP)
Aquaman and WW were the most successful DCEU movies. Fucking Aquaman made more than BvS

Weird how the trades and shills keep just using the generic "it flies to X Million dollars" headlines when the movie is basically outright bombing overseas at the moment

Yes. They need to have someone that’s as handsome and jacked as Cavill was in Man of Steel, but he also has to look really cool in scenes and be both extremely optimistic, manly, and patriotic. So basically it will never, ever be made because deconstruction is the only thing Hollywood can or will do.

Aquaman and Wonder Woman would make half of what they did now because capeshit is dead

>>212629167 (OP)
It doesn't need to make money

>>212629233
You're an idiot

>>212629167 (OP)
Yeah, you just needed Henry Cavill with a good script and a good director. Keep Zach to do the CGI and fights, he was great at that.

>>212629167 (OP)
He looks so bad in every flying scene. A movie from 50 years ago managed to do it better

>>212629316
Bullshit. Spider-man No Way Home made 2 billion.

>>212629273
basically the moment they got rid of Snyder the movies stopped underperforming. the guy pretty much nuked the brand with his murderman bullshit.

>>212629316
fair. the genre doesn't have the look-in audience it once did.

>>212629416
movies make money today by tapping into a simplistic pre-existing impression in the audience's minds, not the content of the film itself.

"Superman only better" just makes people think they're being asked to watch something they didn't like before. "more Dinosaurs" turned out to be more alluring to enough people.

>>212629401
I think Gunn is trying to make it look bad on purpose

I'm not a "THE BATMAN IS THE GREATEST MOVIE EVAR" type but there's a bunch of shit in this where it seems like Gunn is blatantly trying to shill to Matt Reeves that they should merge universes with stuff like Superman's eyes being bloodshot red after using supervision and the """""""""bad on purpose"""""""" camera stuff during the flying scenes seems to be trying to ape the one wingsuit stuff The Batman too

>>212629167 (OP)
Yes. Stop making origin stories or anything resembling them and make stories about him slapping up women.

>>212629316
>>212629416
>>212629600
The Aquaman sequel completely bombed, so yeah, they got extremely lucky the first time.

>>212629167 (OP)
The time was late 00s and early 2010s. The reboot was average, and then the Snyderverse was way too polarizing. Now after the pandemic, streaming taking a good chunk out of the moviegoing audience and the DCEU on its third attempt at a reboot just killed any possibility of a Superman movie being good. WB/DC need to step down, stick to animation and put live action back in storage till 2040.
>>212629233
The problem is WB. There articles that quote Gunn as saying that the movie doesn't need to do 700mil to be profitable, and more around 500mil mark. However, that is not what investors want to hear when you've practically rebooted the universe three times by now. If this does do 500-700 million, WB is going to shit itself and Gunn will lose a ton of influence. Its no wonder Reeves was allowed to continue his Batman. I don't think anyone at WB had faith in this movie actually breaking ground. Given how had WB is doing in its movie and videogame divisions, this shit needed to be a 1 billion hit to justify further investment in the DCEU.

>>212629389
> fart blast flying
Fuck off.

>>212629416
>aaahhh save us beloved characters from the Raimi Spider-Man trilogy and Fox X-Men movies

>>212629637
>>212629611
opening weekend has nothing to do with what's actually in the film.

>>212629611
Why is Batman in the movie cloverfield?

>>212629611
more like "I'm incapable of making a good movie so I'm going to pretend it's bad on purpose"

>>212629167 (OP)
Of course, and they know how to, they aren't that stupid. They are unwilling. Very unwilling. A tall, heroic-looking, stoic Superman who doesn't indulge in petty nonsense and carries some personal mystery around with him. Kids can't get enough. An otherworldly challenger appears that is legitimately scary. (Not evil superman general, or a giant dog. that's not otherworldly) Lois Lane is perky, smart, unwise, gorgeous, and always needing to be saved (she engineers that a little) Lana Lane (or some other woman) is present for competition. Superman must sacrifice something in order to save everyone. Superman makes some choice that no human could make to save everyone. It's really not hard, they just hate white men with a deep, burning passion (they lust after them and are jealous of them and they hate themselves for that)

>>212629611
Well, Gunn did have the same cinematographer from The Flash on the Superman movie. A lot of people have been commenting on how the action scenes and the general looking of the high movement is similar. I guess he thought that shit looked good.

>>212629416
>Spider-man No Way Home made 2 billion.
Spider-Man's literally too big to fail. Dude has global appeal.

>>212629792
>MCU humor is lambasted
>"let's bring in the guy responsible and have him lead the whole reboot"
>Flash looked like a shitty video game
>"let's bring in the guy responsible and have him lead the look of the film"
>MCU costume design is constantly made fun of
>"let's bring in the guy responsible and have him design every suit"
Is WB retarded?

>>212629416
Literally the only way capeshit can do that kind of money these days is if they bring back old actors to reprise their roles, worked with Spider Man and worked with Deadpool and Wolverine, notice how critical darling Thunderbolts was a bomb and I have no faith in the new F4 movie unless Pedro Pascal is an actual draw which I doubt

james gunn said its a story about immigrants in a time when everyone is fucking sick of immigrants

go woke go broke

>>212629920
Yes. Yes they are.

>>212629416
Nostalgiabux. If they do something with Cavill in the future they're going to break box office too.

>>212629920
Basically, the fuckers gave him Suicide Squad and still kept him on when that shit barely made its money back. After that, they fucking hand him Superman, the fucker that has only made "assholes that dont like each other but eventually come together to defeat the big bad while punk rock plays" capeshit for the last 10 years. They are quite literally retarded.

>>212629233
Keep copping, imbecile.

>>212630128
Uniroincally give it 10 years and WB will wheel Cavill out to cash in on Gen Alpha boomers remembering him from when they were kids

>>212629167 (OP)
So it has already made 90 mil?
Sounds like it's gonna make more than MoS.

>>212629167 (OP)
>Is it even possible to make a Superman movie that does well anymore?
Imo a well written superman movie would be a blockbuster.

But they focus way more on spectacle than the writing. I get that a Superman movie needs spectacle but wothout the writing its hollow

>>212629401
The decision to use Go Pro like cameras for the flying was dumb

>>212630268
Is that comparison adjusted for inflation?

>>212630275
>Imo a well written superman movie would be a blockbuster.
the writing is unrelated to the opening weekend. time will tell if this has legs.

>>212629167 (OP)
fucker always looks like he is a afraid of heights lol. you are flying, has to feel great, but this fucker is I WANT MY MOMMY XD

>>212630424
>the writing is unrelated to the opening weekend
I disagree, while watching the first half of this movie I felt the second half of the movie is gonna have lot off payoffs and i I like it enough I might watch it again. A well written movie would give such payoff that compels the audience for repeat watches as well as spreading word of mouth which leads to those big opening weekend numbers

>>212630424
Gunn, Superman only has one more weekend in the clear before FF4 comes out. Pedro Pascal and his cabal of lonely females in their 30s will take Corenswet to the back of the theater, bust his knees with a baseball bat and then proceed to chop them off and present them to their parasocial relationship husband.

>>212630349
I don't live in a land of what ifs.
I live in reality.

>>212629167 (OP)
Did you see the fucking trailers? They were abysmal and people can’t tell if Corenswet is genuinely cross eyed or not. Rewatch the MoS trailers and you’ll know immediately why this thing flopped.

>>212630547
>Snyderjeets now have to talk up fucking fantastic four in order to cope

>>212630607
>inflation
>what if

>>212629416
Jesus Christ the Gunnjeet discord aren't sending their best

>>212630749
>what would it have been then compared to now?!
Yeah. What if.

>>212630349
"Adjusted for inflation" is the biggest brainlet meme of all time. You do not adjust for inflation when comparing movie successes, you still just do it the traditional way. Money made - money spent.

>B-b-b-b-but inflation means money is m-
It goes both ways, retard. The change of value in the box office means that it's also a change in value of the production. A dollar spent producing a movie in 2013 is not the same as a dollar spent producing a movie in 2025. They both changed the same way.

>two of the most profitable capeshits of all time did slightly better
Ok? It's mopping the floor with the NEW AVENGERS movie that came out this year

>>212630864
>A dollar spent producing a movie in 2013 is not the same as a dollar spent producing a movie in 2025
Which is why you need to adjust for inflation to figure out the true worth. Comparing the unadjusted numbers wouldn't be a fair comparison.

>>212631022
No, anon. The worth is already adjusted on both sides. The audience's money is adjusted accordingly the same way as the money that was spent producing the movie.

>>212630864
Hey shill watcha doing?

>>212631148
I will post this on /tv/ every day as long as you keep doing brainlet inflation copes. Get used to it.

>>212631110
and given that we don't know the real costs of these movies, all the speculation is a waste of time.

I just wanted a good movie and I got one so I'm happy.

>>212629416
Spider-Man is probably the most popular capeshit character around the world, period. I thought globally it's between him and Batman. Plus No Way Home had huge fucking hype from bringing back pre-existing characters and villains that were long-time favorites. It's no contest. No, nobody likes Hawkgirl, sorry. People actually did like Cavill, even if he had almost no personality. Corensweat is barely a presence in his own film.

>>212629167 (OP)
Snyder got an entire franchise on less so Gunn should be fine.

>>212631391
>Snyder got an entire franchise on less
My ass he did, he got booted out for Whedon. WB always freaks the fuck out and switches gears at the slightest bit of trouble.

>>212629167 (OP)
Im not a /co/ fag, but where does Superman rank in popularity among DC characters? I ask this, because imo Superman is just a boring hero not much you can do with a literal god character. You cant treat it seriously, because its a man in fucking spandex, and you cant make a simple superhero movie, because hes so strong there are no stakes.

>>212629167 (OP)

Maybe if they adhered to the source material rather than attempt reinventing and subverting things they´d get more traction. Way i see it most people have never experienced the good comic scripts and among the one that had you have those that have only experienced them through animated adaptations and those that have actually read the comics, both would probably love a decent adaptation.

The only ones audience that could be potentially lost with these approach are the social media retards that want every character in existence modified fit their political world views. We could do without that cancer.

>>212629167 (OP)
>Variety

>>212629167 (OP)
People across the world are sick of America and Hollywood. Superheroes display a kind of American exceptionalism where they constantly save humanity and the world from evil.

America doesn't do that, though.
They're actually behind a lot of the evil in the world and so is Hollywood.

>>212631753
Or maybe the movie looks like dogshit

Lex saved the movie

>>212631449
>he got booted out for Whedon.
his adopted daughter an hero'd and he quit. Whedon had to be brought in to finish the movie.
then Snyder used legal means to force WB to give him $70m more to make the Snyder cut which failed to make that extra money back either.

>>212631667
>Maybe if they adhered to the source material
Can you fucking nerds shut about this? Normal people don't read the comics so being faithful doesn't mean shit.

>>212631753
The US government literally gets tricked by Lex Luthor in the movie, you retard

>>212632130
Nobody gives a fuck what happens in your gay American movies, faggot.
>B-b-but L-lex L-l-luthor in da mobie says!
What part of nobody wants what America is selling anymore do you not understand?

>>212632310
>nobody wants what America is selling anymore
Wdym? Didn't Lilo and Stitch do well overseas? What about the minecraft movie? Or jurassic world?

>>212629805
Amazing Spider-man 2 would like a word.

>>212630792
Huh? I'm not defending this shitty flick.

>>212631391
Superman 2025 is projected to make less than MoS at this point.

>>212630507
Genuinely who the fuck rewatches a movie? I won't ever rewatch unless a movie is really good, and not until quite sometime later.

>>212629506
>basically the moment they got rid of Snyder the movies underperforming
Ftfy

>>212629416
kek if the movie had been about Tom Holland's spiderman and his mutt's gf, it wouldn't have made 1/3 that

>>212632081
>which failed to make that extra money back either.
Because streaming isn't profitable.

>>212632780
>Genuinely who the fuck rewatches a movie?
Normal people rewatch shit after a while. Nerds do it right after they saw it, again and again.

>>212633586
Yeah, I just meant in theaters. Shit I didn't fucking waste money on theaters to see this shit, the camrip was more of my time than it deserved.

>>212633544
maybe Snyder shouldn't have asked for money to make a film he knew couldn't be profitable. he basically burned bridges with Warner by forcing them to pay for a 4-hour vanity project.

>>212629167 (OP)
It doesn't seem that bad, how much this shit cost?

>>212629416
Deadpool and Wolverine made $1.338 billion.

>>212629167 (OP)
It’s doing well, don’t listen to the stupid Snyderjeets. Superman does not have a built in audience like MCU or Jurassic Park. People that will go regardless of reviews or word of mouth. This movie is doing what Batman Begins had to do after Batman and Robin ruined Batman. Begins had a mediocre opening weekend but good reviews and word of mouth gave it legs, showing if was building an audience. Video sales improved it abs by time Dark Knight came along it made a billion.

>>212629998
Maybe if they let him pop off, but when he flexed even a little bit they reeled him in. I doubt he's putting in more then the bare minimum after being told "yeah having the audacity to do a trans-atlantic accent was too much"

>>212632780
Lot of the biggest blockbusters are the ones that have people rewatching them. They first watch it with friends, then again with family then maybe with work colleagues

>>212634074
It’s got an over 75% would recommend to see it audience score from all exit polls. That’s solid word of mouth and what a movie like this needs when it doesn’t got a built in audience. Superman isn’t Spider Man

the nanite scene got me fucked up
the shoulder dislocation was brutal as well

>>212632112

It´s not just about being faithful but about delivering the best stories and versions of the characters. Plus the original medium on which a character appears often helps it make sense. For example neither Bats nor Sups make any sense in the real world, context heavily defines both of them so it needs to be recreated as well.

>>212629167 (OP)
>Is it even possible to make a Superman movie that does well anymore

new excuse just dropped

>>212631753
The movie is anti-America, anon. Superman even says he doesn’t believe in the American way anymore.

>>212635462
America is anti-America.
Maybe if Americans had something to be proud of again people wouldn't hate them several much.
People aren't going to go to see movies made by the people who are the problem with America just because they also hate America.

>>212633798
>It’s doing well
It's not.