How did Vikings know there was shit on the other side of the ocean?

>>212639935 (OP)
They scan da navy n’ found out that way

One of their gods lost an eye in exchange for wisdom. So you can thank Odin.

You do wonder why Iceland was settled at all

>>212639935 (OP)
A blind lady touched some chicken bones and they told her.

>>212639935 (OP)
Gnostic spooks from Carthage told them. They've been there before when they were mining up all the copper in Michigan

>how do white people know they didn't have breakfast that morning
Magic

>>212639935 (OP)
They didn't. Leif Erikkson (or another guy, depending on the source) was blown off course while sailing to Greenland and found Vinland by accident, kind of like Columbus found America by accident.

>>212640376
Eriksson, fuck

>>212640376
The Colombus comparison is disingenuous: he sailed west with the expectation of reaching land. He simply miscalculated the circumference of the globe and mistook the Caribbean for Japan. He wasn’t just aiming his rocket ship into space and hoping to hit something.

>>212640021
some guy was just tired europe was in endless wars

>>212640021
Norway was becoming a shithole, so people left.

How funny would that be if on an uncharted voyage, they run into Arya from GOT. Only now, she's been living with the natives so long, she's adopted their culture and is a stuck up bitch.

>>212641218
That never made sense to me, because the ancient Greeks figured out the size of the planet measuring shadows from sticks at the same time a day of different cities.

>>212639935 (OP)
They raided France, they knew all about the British Isles

>>212641339
where are they going to go this time

>>212639935 (OP)
The Norse found places like Iceland by spotting something on the horizon while fishing and then relaying that back to people willing to check it out. All the places the vikings raided were already known from traders who travelled by land. Even when they went to America they only crossed the wide ocean between Norway and Iceland and then from Iceland to Greenland, the rest of the time they were hopping along the coast from their settlement in Greenland to America and back.

>>212641978
It's the great tragedy of modernity, there's nowhere left to run to.

>>212640021
You won't be bothered by the wars or constant raiding from Danes, Swedes or rival Norwegian clans who want your sheep for their voyage. More insulated from the plagues sweeping through all the time. Sweet outdoor heated baths you can chill in every Saturday (washing day) even in winter.

>>212641498
I'm pretty sure it's total bullshit because the major reason why nobody else did the voyage was exactly because they knew how big the planet was and thought there was no land mass until you got all the way around to China, so with simple calculations you could figure out that the ship would starve long before making it all the way around unless you got lucky and found an island with food and water, a needle in a haystack situation when travelling in The Atlantic.

>>212640021
reminds me of that dumb plotline with floki that went for like 2 seasons in the vikings show

it's not the other side of the world. it's a series of hops from island to island over a long period of time. it takes 6 hours to fly from LA to NYC. it takes 7 hours to fly from NYC to norway.

what are the odds I'm part viking if my entire family is from normandy in france? normandy was named after them
I wanna larp as a viking and make it my whole personality

>>212642370
That's reasonable, but then you wonder why there weren't maps showing how close Asia/Russia is to North America. Maybe it is just the poor weather there that held the cartographers back.

>>212642413
>it's not the other side of the world.
thank you for your service, anon. anyone with more than a US piblic education and at least 1 hour a week interest in history would know that.

also, i bet that "modern retards" would just starve in their "basic" huts instead of learning from nature, sailing the seas and transpire their knowledge to the next generation and the next and son on.

norse and even english men could sail the atlantic in a leather boats (thats a fact, boats NOT SHIPS) more than a 1000 years ago. going extinct western porn-simps today cant even wank off on their own imagaination...

>>212642640
The only reason the Norse ended up there was because they settled Greenland during a short period of extreme heat and then ended up going further and further west while trading for furs and ivory with Eskimos. Then they hit on Newfoundland and established a settlement to get the lumber they couldn't get on Greenland or (in large quantities) Iceland. There's no incentive like that for the Russians because the Russians could get their own ivory and furs by just going North without any ships and then traded that with everyone else who wanted some, and they had no need to establish lumber colonies across the water either for the same reason.

We also have to take into consideration that there probably were some Asian/Russian ships that ended up in Alaska but didn't keep travelling to find anything worth going on for. They'd just put an island full of the same shit they already had plenty of down on their charts and then fuck off back home, because there were simply no trading opportunities like there was for the Norse, who went North/West to try and get the same trading goods that the Russians already had.

>>212641498
In 200 BCE, after all, Eratosthenes calculated the circumference of the earth to within one percent of its actual girth. He figured that one degree of latitude was equal to 59.5 nautical miles.

In making his own calculation, however, Columbus preferred the values given by the medieval Persian geographer, Abu al Abbas Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Kathir al-Farghani (a.k.a. Alfraganus): one degree (at the equator) is equal to 56.67 miles. That was Columbus’s first error, which he compounded with a second: he assumed that the Persian was using the 4 856-foot Roman mile; in fact, Alfraganus meant the 7 091-foot Arabic mile. (This is, of course, the sort of confusion of units that sent the Mars Climate Orbiter into its terminal swan dive in September 1999.)

Taken together, the two miscalculations effectively reduced the planetary waistline to 16,305 nautical miles, down from the actual 21,600 or so, an error of 25 percent.

And then there was the third error. “Not content with whittling down the degree by 25 percent,” Morison writes, “Columbus stretched out Asia eastward until Japan almost kissed the Azores.” Through a complicated chain of reasoning that mixed Ptolemy, Marinus of Tyre, and Marco Polo with some “corrections” of his own, Columbus calculated that he would find Japan at 85º west longitude (rather than 140° east)—moving it more than 8,000 miles closer to Cape St. Vincent.

All in all, he figured, the Indies were just 68 degrees west of the Canary Islands. Calculated travel distance: 3080 nautical miles. Actual distance from Tenerife to Jakarta: 7313 nautical miles. Margin of error: 58 percent.

I wish the world was much bigger. A planet twenty times larger, with fifty continents. Entire civilizations separated by tens of thousands of miles of open ocean, developing in isolation. Entire empires rising and falling in obscurity.
This world is too small, too gay, and must be burned. When Columbus sailed the ocean blue it was the death knell for adventure and intrigue.

>>212643294
just nuke the ice wall to unlock the rest of the earth bro

>>212643294
Planets smaller than ours can access space quicker. Planets larger than ours access to space is much slower. Imagine at this point not making it to the moon and satellites being very hard to do with balloon connections being the norm.

Extraterrestrials told them

>>212642370
>the ship would starve long before making it all the way around unless you got lucky and found an island with food and water

plenty of fish in the sea for food
catch rainwater

>>212643294

>>212643470
life is much more likely to emerge on moons than planets

>>212643608
Life is proven to emerge on planets though

>>212643237
Thanks anon! Cool post.

>>212643774
You’re welcome. I imagine there was some wishful thinking on Colombus’s part. He had the sell the idea to other people, and he had the sell the idea to himself. Magellan’s crew probably would have mutinied if they knew they would be at sea for 100 days.

They saw the vast ocean and it made their peepee hard so they just sailed.
Pure Faustian spirit.

>In Gesta Hammaburgensis ecclesiae pontificum, Adam of Bremen provides a description of the temple. Adam records that a "very famous temple called Ubsola" exists in a town close to Sigtuna. Adam details that the temple is "made out of gold" and that the people there worship statues of three specific gods that sit on a triple throne. Thor, whom Adam refers to as "the mightiest," sits in the central throne, while Wodan (Odin) and Fricco (Freyr) are seated on the thrones to the sides of him. Adam provides information about the characteristics of the three gods, including that Fricco is depicted with an immense erect penis, Wodan in armor ("as our people depict Mars," Adam notes) and that Thor has a mace, a detail which Adam compares to that of the Roman god Jupiter.

>>212643757
there's 0 proof that life on earth emerged from earth
NASA is going to moons to look for life
are you smarter than NASA?

They primarily subsided on whales, otters, herring, and other sea animals that's nesting places kiss the arctic, they roamed the frozen coastline as far as the fish were nesting and sea mammals were consuming. This eventually got them to Canada or so.

>>212643925
But we know life exists on Earth. We have plenty of theory on life on other planets, but that theory is always changing with every new gas planet, with every new Carl Sagan/Michio Kaku type of pop futurism and every NASA PR Bomb around budget time.
The blunt reality is, the only place we have proven to have lush life covering the whole place from it's highest peaks to its deepest trenches is Earth. It's probably not the only place with life, but it's by far the most researched planet

>>212643237
Columbus sounds delusional.

>>212644322
>delusional
would a reasonable person have done what they did?

>>212644322
He was, he kept insisting that he found China and even made his crew sign a declaration that they had been to China.
He absolutely refused to consider that he was wrong and that he actually discovered a new place. That's why its called America and now Columbia.

>>212644322
Wouldn’t you have to be? The delusion was compounded by his religious fanaticism. He really wanted to link up with Prestor John in China and go on crusade.

>>212643925
>there's 0 proof that life on earth emerged from earth
There's more proof than it arising on some random moon and getting here by transpermia, which is a completely superfluous theory.

>>212644322
He was so retarded that he managed to mistreat the population so bad that the fucking Spaniards put him on trial for crimes against humanity when he got back home. You have to really go full retard in your colonialism for that to happen.

>>212643237
Probably the coolest post I've read in months.

>>212643294
I wish we had more lands that were similar to the Greek isles, California, Hawaii and Japan.

>>212642413
I wish we could build a giant fortress in Greenland and kill every indian who came within 1000 miles of the coast with jeet seeking missiles. Are there any good movies for this feeling?

>>212640308
Sadly no Waffle Houses in Michigan. They have hold ritual combat in Denny's instead.

>>212647079
If you don't mind see it ultimately fail, '300'.

>>212643566
a good way to slowly die from vitamin deficiency or quickly die by mutiny from a pissed off crew

>>212647471
Probably a much bigger chance of dying of thirst first, desu. People severely overestimate how much water they can collect from rain falling on a ship and how long that water will stay fresh in storage.

>>212647560
I am a massive retard (american) but can you like, drink extra water and then need less water later? Sort of like fat and food?

>>212647830
I mean while it rains you should definitely be drinking as much as you possibly can, so you don't feel the need to drink anything for hours after the rain has stopped. Maybe you can go half a day or a whole day without if you drank a whole lot and don't exert yourself or move in the sun. But that's not really going to help you on a sea voyage of that magnitude. You could probably also fuck yourself over by drinking too much, or drinking it raw from the dirty sails that have been rigged up to catch it, full of dirt and tar runoff that'll make you sick.

>>212647965
You can drink your pee

>>212639935 (OP)
How can I watch series for free?

>>212642370
The Turks were fucking the commerce of Europe and Asia, so Columbus decided to go the other way and avoid the whole thing.

>>212639935 (OP)
They go out fishing for food, over time their boats get sturdier and their sailing skills improve, so they start pushing the limits a little bit at a time. They go a little further, they stay out longer, soon the ocean is like their second home. The experienced sailors noticed the intuition they built up for navigating was actually founded on something a little firmer, and if you followed the rules you would always get to the same place. When they went out with enough food, Njord willing, they would always be able to return home. Something like that.

>>212639935 (OP)
The legends of St Brendan told of his travels to Iceland and Greenland and North America.

see The Brendan Voyage

>>212639935 (OP)
They were fucking around with the Inuit

>>212644322
He thought he was chosen by God to was fulfill his prophecies, reclaim Jerusalem and bring forth the Second Coming of the Christ and the Apocalypse. That's why he was obsessed enough to use all kind of mental gymnastics to justify his travel.

>>212646230
That was just because the Catholic Monarchs promised him the title of Viceroy and Governor of EVERYTHING he would discover and a tenth part of ALL the riches. The whole mistreating thing was just a convenient excuse to back out on their deal.

>>212642205
I think about this often. Its not good

>>212639983
Nobody got my joke…

>>212639935 (OP)
they used birds

>>212639935 (OP)
they praised Sol about it

>>212649858
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