>make movie literally begging people to do good in life and nothing else
>tell everyone you don't give a fuck if it makes a lot because you're washed up anyways
>everyone ignores the message completely, nitpicking it to death
>everyone only cares about the box office
>even the people who like it congratulate it as a product
>all you wanted was for people to think about what the characters are actually fucking saying
maybe it really is the fans. how much more obvious does a movie have to get? what do you fuckers need? a one to one new testament tv show to tell you to think twice about how you treat people and to stop caring about these retarded isms that separate us on nothing but superficial means?

>>212652578 (OP)
Go to sleep, James. Midwit hacks like you sleep like babies.

Anyone who replies like that first guy gets ignored. Either directly respond or say nothing. You're not gonna waste my time today.

>>212652578 (OP)
Isn't Gunn agnostic? How does he define good?

I'm naturally a good person so the message doesn't really do anything to me because I already do this every day of my life.

That being said, I enjoy action scenes and I had a really hard time following some of those. The antiproton river scene in that movie was a complete mess of colors

>>212652668
not committing murder is a good start

>>212652668
>Agnostic
I don't know, but that isn't how he was raised. I don't care if he is.
>How does he define good?
I can't speak for him, but I would guess based on what objectively and primordially is true to instinct. Like here:
https://youtu.be/EET138PjQnc?si=d1YuGWgz41B0DDq1
>>212652669
You review it as a product and not on the merits of its message and theme. Dishonest method of discussion.

squirrel lives matter

>>212652578 (OP)
It's not the fans, it's the gay culture war we live in where the red and blue teams are always fishing for a 'win' over the otherside with whatever is current. It's really, really gay. I'm starting to understand why the elites want to depopulate the Earth when 90% of people are braindead retarded.

>>212652668
>Saving a kid who’s going to get hit by a car by pulling them out of a road
>Calling an ambulance for a man having a heart attack and performing CPR before they get there
>Standing up to a bully who’s tormenting the smaller kids for no reason
Good is fucking obvious for anyone who isn’t a psychopath. The semantic games of whether something is “inherently good” or not reminds me of troons trying to define a woman.

>>212652781
I don't like you.

>>212652781
This.
Most things in life are too nuanced to fit into one category or the other, but every single thing ever gets deconstructed to try and make it fit.

>>212652731
I'm naturally a good person so I don't care about the message. I already live it daily.

I'm not a action hero thoughbeit, so I like to see what people are cooking with in that realm.

>>212652827
You think this is the fault of the people under subjugation, like a fool.

>>212652668
This. You can’t know good from evil without The Holy Bible.

>>212652900
Many Christian’s support the synagogue of Satan which gleefully murders children so clearly knowledge of the Bible by itself is not sufficient

>>212652937
If they actually knew the Bible, they would not support the synagogue of Satan, so your point is moot.

>>212652578 (OP)
As far as I know it's doing we

>>212652900
Yes you can. Morals existed and had been consistent for thousands of years before an utterance of a word from a human being. We slowly developed them over a long fucking time. The Jews didn't invent morality. God did, through us. The truth is, you rely on dogma to feel whole. You otherwise would feel dejected and lost. You aren't intelligent and empathetic enough to naturally understand moral goodness, so you have to be lead. You're not sincere.

We should do good bros, let's protect Israel from evils.

>>212652974
Clearly knowing the Bible requires more than just reading and studying it, but a deeper connection to one’s inner humanity, or “soul” if you will

>>212652974
>no true scotsman
His point is sustained.

>>212652999
Anon, the movie is violently anti-israel too.

>>212653048
It was anti-Russian.

>>212653060
>Israel stand-in country is trying to invade desert full of brown people in the middle east
Ah yes, Russia...

>>212652985
morality is relative. good is only good to you because you think it to be so. another person can have a totally different idea of what good is.
>>212652818
is it good to help people who are starving? what if that help then allows those people to have children who will also starve unless you send more help? what if in order to provide help for those people, you have to steal the food from others? where's the line for good?

>>212653125
Your only values are secular post-modernism. Post-modernism is a front for pedophiles in elite academia. This isn't even some kind of conspiracy, the leading "minds" of that pseudo-philosophy openly admit to it and encourage such behavior in their published writing. Their names are public and not difficult to find or research. I don't debate doublespeak.

>>212652578 (OP)
Gunnfans are the main reason not to watch this movie. I don't want to be associated with them in any way.

>>212653125
"morality is relative" or "morality is nuanced" is a christian position. true deistic morality a la the cult of the supreme being is pity for the weak and the unfortunate, and nothing else.

>>212653235
Exactly. This is something that is pure instinct to any sane human being. It's older than religion.

>>212653222
explain how you develop objective morality without an absolute god
>>212653235
untrue. christian morality is absolute, goodness being the nature and will of God

>>212653467
because I feel bad when I do bad things

/thread

>>212652578 (OP)
This. Sadly people are becoming more evil instead of good.

>>212653467
I believe in an absolute God, and not one you could conceive of, and one more benevolent than you could dream. One above all perspectives, and begetting all things. I believe in a whole of made and unmade, beyond human morality. I believe morality is a human prospect. I believe God experiences life through humanity, to learn and understand Himself. I believe in such a tetragrammaton. You are a farce of reason; let alone the fact that your philosophy openly rejects it.

do good unless it is to an indian in which case skin them all alive and boil them in salt water

>>212652578 (OP)
Gunns style is just too gay and cringe. And his sense of humor is repellent

>>212652999
>the American dream is to have all your money go to Israel and then get drafted to die for Israel

>>212653503
but other people feel good when they do those things. so your belief is unobjective. q.e.d.
>>212653554
who said i dont believe in absolute morality? because i do. i am the only god and everything i think is good is good at that moment. simple as. its you who do not if you follow your position to its conclusion.

>>212653620
The American Dream is to protect the freedom of the weak and innocent. Any other statement is a lie.

>>212653639
Solipsism is a lie. Ignored.

>>212653639
no they feel bad too they just ignore it from over exposure ie trauma. even the most ardent sociopath will admit the science of damaged dendrites between neurons after experiencing violence

>>212653125
Yes, it would be good to save someone from starving to death because you are recognizing them as a human worthy of dignity. You are doing it out of respect for them, not out of some expectation that you will solve their problems forever and ever.
>b-but if you save someone’s life from starving and then something you can’t predict happens?
This kind of pointless thought experiments is exactly what I’m talking about. You mentally paralyze yourself from doing anything because you’re qualifying a concept as simple and basic as good and evil when really it’s very easy to tell which is which when all the facts of the situation are laid out plain to see for all.

>>212653467
>goodness being the nature and will of God
human moral fallibility and forgiveness for moral failure is the cornerstone of christianity. in christianity, morality as it applies to humans is nuanced

>>212653738
Ten Commandments. I'm not a Christian, but they have clearly defined morality in ten simple laws. Interpretation by religious leaders was denounced by Christ.

>>212653676
different people having different perspectives is not Solipsism. you're ignorant
>>212653693
>baseless conjecture
you cannot answer my original question because you are deluding yourself that everyone thinks the same. humans have a FST of up to .2 between populations and you think everyone thinks the same. lol, lmao even

>>212653652
So you agree we should nuke Israel?

>>212653731
Its not a pointless thought experiment. its literally western aid to aftica. we have spent over 20 marshall plans on africa with no results other than an increased population and increased burden on western tax payers. its a very real scenario. now what's your answer
>>212653738
>human moral fallibility and forgiveness for moral failure
that has nothing to do with moral relativity. moral failings do not mean more relativity. you are ignorant

>>212653782
You're a cowardly faggot and a liar. You can't admit you're solipsistic after directly claiming to be God. If you're going to be a delusional narcissistic pedo apologist then at least be more direct about it you pussy. It's like you are allergic to speaking outside a prevaricative context.

>>212653852
im sure other people exist because i am god and know this to be true, therefore im not Solipsistic. you are not reading my words or cannot think critically.

OP, tell us about being a schizophrenic midwit please. Is it fun?

>>212653892
I'm sorry. You are right, I was being ignorant and I apologize. I'll do better next time

>>212653843
> Its not a pointless thought experiment. it’s literally western aid to aftica.
Western aid to Africa is used by African govenrments to bribe people into voting for their preferred candidate. It’s not done out of goodness retard it’s done for political favors. There’s a vast world of difference between feeding somebody in person and donating to a corrupt charity

>>212653778
those are laws, not the christian moral code. besides, you can be forgiven for breaking those commandments according to christ's teachings
>>212653843
i wasn't making a point about moral relativity or perspectivism. i was making a point about absolute good being irrelevant in christianity as you can be forgiven for every mortal sin and everything below mortal sin. absolute good clearly doesn't exist if you can be a murderer and still a christian.

>>212653892
You're making an oxymoronic argument. There is one God, and everything that is made and unmade exists within and of it. There is nothing separate from God, yet we are not in the perspective of God. We are lower perspectives manifest of his Mind. Your logic is inconsistent with the Hermetica, which I believe in. You can't simultaneously claim to be God, and claim you acknowledge other forms. You would have no knowledge or perspective of them outside of something so abstract you in a sober human mind couldn't comprehend. Infinity does not perceive of from the perspective of infinity. That's physically and conceptually impossible. You're a dullard.

>>212653984
>Infinity does not perceive us from the perspective of infinity****

>>212652578 (OP)
Time for your medicine. It shouldn't be obvious, obvious is for retards. A coherent narrative not cursed by ideology. Enjoy that product. Nope, woke elements mean the entire point of the film is to expose the audience to woke shit in an effort to normalize it. Any demonic cunt involved can suck it and go to hell. I don't hate them, only their sins. I personally would never set out to spend 200 million dollars to upset and annoy people. They do that all day in Hollyfucked.

>>212653927
So where is the objective good? You're making my point for me. Is the Gates Foundation doing good by attempting to help Africa? Or are they doing evil by supporting warlords? Or is it a mix and everyone will draw the line slightly differently?

>>212653966
There is no Christian moral code outside of the Ten Commandments.

Tripfagging now to avoid this spamming loser

>>212653984
>my baseless conjecture is objective wahhhh
>namefagging
yep, you are a retard

>>212654056
the big JC cancelled the ten commandments for his parables. reread the bible dog

>>212654056
christ's teachings about forgiveness and charity

>>212654083
I accept thy concession.

>>212654078
>namefag has to tripfag because he failed at posting cohesive arguments
putting anything in the name field should auto ban you

>>212654102
I'm not a Christian. I claim no infallibility there. I easily could have forgotten kek so my bad anon

>>212654051
> So where is the objective good?
Feeding people is good. Feeding people as a way to elect corrupt politicians who will then steal from them is evil. It goes back to my point here >>212653731
> it’s very easy to tell which is which when all the facts of the situation are laid out plain to see for all.
When people understand that they are donating to a corrupt piece of shit that makes things worse than it becomes clear that the morally correct and thus “good” thing to do is to stop using them and instead find other ways of performing good acts. The problem is inherently one of imperfect knowledge but that does not change that goodness exists

>>212654129
I have to do this because one post wasn't actually myself. I'm not gonna bother giving the guy attention. If it's you whatever I'm replying once

>>212654132
gg no re
>>212654105
>newfag cant understand greentext

>make movie literally begging people to do good in life and nothing else
>Kal El my son, you need to have sex, you need to impregnate as many women as possible
literally what's wrong with this?

>>212654159

New tripcode. Old one was hacked. I'm pissing and shitting and cumming all over this thread

>>212654155
>When people understand that they are donating to a corrupt piece of shit that makes things worse
This is entirely unobjective. What is the rate of people saved to warlords armed that goes from good to evil? Please provide exact figures because its objective and everyone agrees.

>>212654156
namefagging is still retarded and breaks 4chan culture. tripfagging has its use cases but this shitty thread aint it chief

>>212654259
>This is entirely unobjective.
It’s not. They can use their eyes and ears. Empirical evidence is valid.
> What is the rate of people saved to warlords armed that goes from good to evil? Please provide exact figures because it’s objective and everyone agrees.
You don’t need fucking peer reviewed studies to understand that corruption is bad

>>212654296
Like I care. Get a job, nigger. You're here to talk to me.

>>212652578 (OP)
>maybe it really is the fans. how much more obvious does a movie have to get? what do you fuckers need?
Unfortunately capeshit fans are retarded. And as for Snyder fans... those fuckers aren't even people.

>>212654317
m8 no need to be racist just because i called you out as a retarded namefagger. really showing namefags' true colours here

>>212654389
Kek what a pathetic excuse of a gotcha

>>212653984
Linking back to this post and I'm going to bed.

>>212654304
What if the warlord needs the guns he launders money for to defend his people from other warlords and secure food? What if different people at different points in the process have varying degrees to which they are helpful to the process or not each day depending on their mood? How can you be objective? There are simply too many variables.
>You don’t need fucking peer reviewed studies to understand that corruption is bad
Some corruption can be good, like corrupt SS guards helping inmates. Gotcha! Corruption exists on a scale and if you ask million people you'll get a million answers on whether its bad or not and how bad or good it is. Anarchists or Stalinists might argue its good because it furthers the cause or pushes society towards its inevitable conclusion.

>>212654411
racism isnt cool and you lost any argument you had with lurkers

>>212654513
Skip rocks, fag.

>>212654538
seething raped bitch

>>212652819
Retard

>>212654462
jk new trip. im actually going to commit sudoku

>>212654513
I'm a lurker, and I think you're a nigger faggot who needs to go back.

>>212654566
Final post. Anything after this one is full of shit. You people are desperate. I love God. Goodnight anons

>>212654599
>namefag crashout
kwab

>>212654573
No, you are a poster.

>>212652578 (OP)
Nice try asshole, but hes a fratboy into bully humor and has mocked men who are weak or too vain in the past
You of course with "doing good" refer to your hypocrite asshole liberal values where men should do hard work, follow a functionalist lifestyle, not take odjobs here and there for lots of travel, not expressing yourself through expressive clothing and selfie posts and be selfsacrificing while its not "good" to also demand that transwomen do so
Superman cant be both pro-trans and a symbol of traditional masculine ideals and signal to young men they have to behave traditionally masculine if they want to be part of society
The "kindness" and "Superman way" only then boil down to approving female privilege level of extrovertness on a male just as long as he mutilate himself
Gunn push for traditional dresscodes for men and ban makeup and alternative fashion to show up on male characters, unless the actor of course has mutilated himself and plays a troon

>>212652578 (OP)
He cancelled Cavill though since 670 million was a "flop", he was also smug about how his Superman will be so much better and make more money
Hes a smug asshole and his past films are filled with misanthropic black comedy and splatter violence, hes not the poster boy for kindness, unless by "kindness" you of course refer to a hypocrite asshole stiff suit with tie liberal

>>212654599
damn tell us how you really feel unc

>>212654655
Oh fugg.

infantile (ironically)

>>212653782
It’s not conjecture if it’s studied under a microscope and you can be prescribed medication to increased neuro protective proteins between dendrites. am I the only one who paid attention in bio 30-1?

morality can be defined by life preserving itself. since life exists on the planet, morality exists. we can observe it in animals. they don’t literally always eat each other. I thought this was like, solved. when we do bad things that harm the ecosystem of our natural habitant or social structure, we feel bad, as to preserve the ecosystem. this bad feeling can be mitigated by trauma and or exposure to violence. like, duh

>>212656353
>morality can be defined by life preserving itself
retard

>>212656652
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>>212655089
>>212654809
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>>212654763
I wish Superman was real so that he could save Palestine from genocidal Jews.

>>212656652
if we were truly immoral, as there is no literal god in the sky, but exists only in our belief, we actually would have destroyed ourselves long time ago. predator and prey both drink from the same river during a famine and they need no dogma

I do find it fascinating the rest of the internet theologians get words upon words but I get a single term insult. how disappointing