>RLM heavily criticized George for being unoriginal by having all the Jedi wear robes in the prequels, although in New Hope Obi-Wan only wore the robes because he was hiding on a desert planet.
>George originally wanted all the Jedi to wear black armor and look overall more like actual Knights, but his production team pushed back saying that "it will be hard for Fans to imagine Jedi wearing anything but robes."
So George not only wanted to do something that was more fitting and original but actually nostalgia obsessed fans were the reason why he gave in and abandoned that idea.
That kinda goes against everything that RLM always accuses George of being.

>>212662452 (OP)
Those retarded manchildren are not worthy of attention, not even /tv/'s.

>>212662452 (OP)

Just dropped in to point out you guys have to frame every prequel thread as the movies not being bad and you're still seething about friend simulator videos that came out 16 years ago. If the movies were actually good you would have moved on by now and the eceleb videos wouldn't have got so much traction that they still live rent-free after more than a decade and a half.

Cry, seethe, ignore the fact you feel the need to continuously defend them instead of enjoying them. Just remember that you're low IQ for taking Star Wars this seriously in the first place.

Do with this information what you will.

>>212662536
I don't care about RLM beyond Stoklasa being a talentless overweight loser
He was wrong about everything and I'm glad most people finally realized this

>>212662642
He was right about the prequels being terrible movies

>>212662452 (OP)
>George betrayed his original vision because his advisors told him that the fans would be too stupid to get it
Wow what an....alpha?

>>212662452 (OP)
>implying Lucas took any advice

>>212662642
Look at how hard you're not caring

>>212662452 (OP)
>George was actually really creative
>that's why he caved on his creative vision!
This isn't the gotcha you think it is.

>>212662674
He was wrong and is a cinematically illiterate manchild
The only subject he truly understands is Star Trek but nobody gives a shit about it

>>212662452 (OP)
I have no idea what you're on about but caring about shit wars means you're a fag.

>>212662755
Hoe was he wrong? The prequels are bad movies. What makes the prequels not bad?

>>212662791
You just don't UNDERSTAND the prequels the way that I do. George and I are engaging on levels that are miles above what you and your make-believe friends at RLM are capable of

the prequels are shit and will always be shit
kill all prequelfags

>>212662851
So George is just the make believe friend of all prequel fans?

>>212662851
This, but unironically

>>212662892
No retard. George and I engage through art. RLM don't create art, so there is no actual engagement.

>>212662923
I bet you say that a lot

The prequels are fun and I’ll always love them, but they really are pretty horrible films.

Inspired some great vidya though

>>212662452 (OP)
>although in New Hope Obi-Wan only wore the robes because he was hiding on a desert planet.
Why did uncle Owen wear them, then?

>>212662966
Based /v/eddit take

>>212662642
>writes post about how much he doesn't care
Lol.

>>212662452 (OP)
early morning rage post this is why I come back to tv

the prequels are perfect films.

>>212662452 (OP)
black armor sounds cool but the armor they had in the clone wars was great, i wouldve rather seen that on screen but for any jedi in combat

>>212662452 (OP)
I honestly can't tell if this post is satire.

>George: I think it would make more sense if the Jedi's had cool armor
>Toy Executives: But how will kids know that they're Jedi???
>George: You guys are right, let's make it retarded instead

>>212662976
Because he was lving on a desert planet.

Did you really need to have that explained to you?

>>212663090
Are you saying Jedi robes are the standard desert planet garments?

>>212663090
Why didn't Watto wear them then?

>>212662452 (OP)

>>212662452 (OP)
2/3 movies have less than 7 on IMDB
Only one has more than 7, and had to plagiarize Dune Messiah for that.

p.s. sequel trilogy also sucks

star wars is dead, burry it

>>212663135
Are you saying that Obi-Wan went into hiding while wearing his fucking work uniform?

>>212663302
Nta. I'm the one replying to the post that states Obi-Wan wore his Jedi robes in Tatooine because he was on a desert planet, and asked what's uncle Owen's reason for wearing them.

>>212662452 (OP)
>>George originally wanted all the Jedi to wear black armor and look overall more like actual Knights
Probably weeaboos in the production team that got butthurt that Jedi KNIGHTS weren't based on eastern mysticism and purposely sabotaged the movie.

>>212662674
Yes, yes he was

>>212662452 (OP)
Am I supposed to praise Lucas because he wanted the Jedi to wear black armor(dumber than robes) then got bullied by a production team he had full control over since he fully financed the movies?

Lol this might be the biggest Lucas COPE I've ever seen?

>>212662452 (OP)
Yoda literally wears the exact same robes on Dagobah only smaller.

>>212663192
Ouch

People only defend the prequels because Disney started a viral campaign to psyop people into thinking they were good shortly before buying Star Wars from Lucas.

>>212662452 (OP)
I'm honestly more irritated by the fact that all the Chewbaccas look like Chewbacca

His bandolier being of cultural significancs is more like something out of Star Trek than Star Wars. He's not Worf

>>212666090
I was really disappointed by the look of the wookiees on ROTS. I was a huge fan of the game Star Wars Galactic Battlegrounds, which came out before ROTS, and the Wookiees look really cool there.

Their buildings / tech on GB have this "junkyard among the trees, but technologically advanced" aesthetic that really fits them. Like everything is put together from recycled scrap parts to reflect that they are genius engineers and love to tinker with stuff. Katarns are also big and wookiees ride them into battle.

But ROTS gave their tech and buildings this elf-life appearance with flowing lines and organic engineering that doesn't really fit them. It's too artsy and flowing as opposed to junkyard looking and tough. To me the GB wookiees will always be the canon wookiees.

>>212662755
>The only subject he truly understands is Star Trek but nobody gives a shit about it
I wonder why his Star Trek reviews were so low effort compared to his Phantom Menace review where he shot original footage, interviewing his friends and doing unique skits. I guess he knew there was a much bigger potential audience for Star Wars.

>>212666090
Um, that's called Star Wars chud
>Obi-Wans robes?
All Jedi have them
>Han Solo's pants stripe?
It's a correllian stripe, they all have them.
>Darth Maul's horns and tattoos
All Zabrak have them

>>212662674
>[RLM] was right the prequels being terrible movies
They're not terrible movies, they have tons of entertainment value even if the script/dialogue is... well I think everyone agrees George desperately needed more forceful editors. The most damning thing about RLM's prequel criticism is that those sentiments are directly responsible for the sequels being what they are.

The prequel fanboys who insisted "but the prequels had better worldbuilding!" are unironically the most vindicated. It turns out, yes, that literally is the most important ingredient. The prequels have way more expanded content and cultural impact than the sequels despite the latter having better acting, production design, effects, and tighter plotting.

>>212662536
>>212662452 (OP)
>>212662674

>>212667714
>despite the latter having better acting, production design, effects, and tighter plotting.
False

>>212668456
Prequels are one big green screen, cinematography there is fucking terrible.

>>212667714
>better acting
Debatable, the ST actors didn't have much of a script to work with so I'll give them a pass. PT actors had awful dialogue but they don't act badly.

>production design
Wrong, PT used more miniatures and practical effects than the ST despite the fact that marketing tried to claim it was the other way around.

>effects
Better CGI is a function of technology advancing, this is not impressive

>tighter plotting
Now you are just fucking trolling

>>212668612
False.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhpFsO8wUoI

>>212668456
>Obi wan: "Wait. How did this happen? We're better than this!"
Top tier acting and script.

>>212668658
>somehow palpatine returned
Top tier acting and script.

>>212668614
The prequels have the same quality dialogue and acting as the OT.
And it's not meant to be an insult.

>>212667714
>The most damning thing about RLM's prequel criticism is that those sentiments are directly responsible for the sequels being what they are.
But they aren't. The sequels do not in anyway take any of the criticisms of the prequels to heart and actively make some of the same mistakes as the prequels.

>>212668764
Haha nope.
The sequels are exactly how Mike Jewlasha loves his Star Wars.

>>212668731
ANH and Empire's writing and dialog are miles ahead of the prequels. Even ROTJ has better overall dialog and acting than anything in the prequels.

>>212668731
Dialogue yes, plotting no.
The plot of the ST makes no sense.

ROS is an anti-movie, just 2 hours of filler with random things happening with no plot or purpose, no cause and effect.

>>212668794
Nope, it wasn't. It's totally the same, exactly what you would see in a Flash Gordon episode.
>>212668805
What are you trying to argue with me?
The Yidsney sequels are total trash.

>>212662452 (OP)
So, why not just have them wear the outfit Luka had in RoTJ? Seems like that would have been a nice balance of the two ideas.

>>212668764
TFA is literally anti-prequel.

It was written not to be original or create something but literally to reject what came before.

In turn TLJ is anti TFA.

Which leads to the ST being a dumpster fire.

https://youtu.be/XtArKawnWNI?feature=shared

>>212668853
You are trying to equate the quality of the PT with ST which is plain wrong. I see you and your shilling.

>>212668878
Agree with the first part, but
>In turn TLJ is anti TFA.
This is false, TLJ is also a cheap knock-off of the OT, ESB and ROTJ
Only shills try to meme this movie into some subversive masterpiece. Not a single shock moment in that movie has any meaningful addition to the plot.

>>212668909
>You are trying to equate the quality of the PT with ST which is plain wrong
Kek I never did that.
I usually equate the PT and the OT, and for me PT is the obvious winner.

The Yidsney sequel trilogy is something that I don't even recognize as canon.

>>212668456
>>212668614
Bro I've thought the sequels were bad since I saw TFA in theaters and realized it was a ANH rehash with an Abrams mystery box, but I gotta give them credit for the things they do well.

>>better acting
>Debatable
I don't think it's really debatable. The greatest crime of the sequels is wasting a really good cast. It becomes a little distracting when they share scenes with Hamill and Carrie Fisher because the younger actors are so much better.

>PT used more miniatures
>CGI is a function of technology advancing
I know this. Doesn't change the fact that Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones still look jarring when you watch them. Whereas other movies from that era, Jurassic Park and Lord of the Rings, used early CGI much more tastefully.

>>tighter plotting
>Now you are just fucking trolling
I'm just trying to call it down the middle. I still prefer the prequels' story because I think its story is more ambitious and meaningful despite its focus/pacing issues. Each sequel as a self-contained movie has a very identifiable sequence of events and rising/falling action. I just think all those elements are in service of a really dipshit premise.

>>212668731
>The prequels have the same quality dialogue and acting as the OT.
Lol there's more truth to this than fans want to admit. I'd say the OT is less tonally inconsistent but it was really funny comparing the rebellion in the OT to its portrayal in Andor. The OT feels like a comic book by comparison.

>>212662452 (OP)
George also said Yoda was an old master and not a fighter and could not defeat the Emperor in a fight but some female secretary said that was dumb

>>212668764
>But they aren't. The sequels do not in anyway take any of the criticisms of the prequels to heart and actively make some of the same mistakes as the prequels.
The sequels were deliberately designed to be anti-prequel and Abrams has said as much. Moreover, RLM actually gave TFA a good review when it first came out. Sure, they recognized that it wasn't Citizen Kane but they definitely were definitely not put off by TFA aggressively repackaging the original movie. Years later when they reviewed Andor, you can see them finally start to realize that Lucas was correct to expand the universe in the PT. They were just incapable of connecting the dots until they actually saw a Star Wars script with good dialogue.

>>212668946
>>In turn TLJ is anti TFA.
>This is false
Dude, it's completely true. TFA is a nostalgia fest and then TLJ's core message is "let the past die". Intentionally or not, Rian Johnson wrote a sequel that was a hacky antithesis of Abram's hacky rehash.

>>212669140
>but I gotta give them credit for the things they do well.
No you really don't have to, because everything they do is trash and rapes the well established canon in many ways.
>acting
The ST doesn't have a single memorable character, or acting moment.
The PT meanwhile has Hayden, Ewan, Natalie, Liam and even in supporting roles actors like Christopher Lee, Samuel, Temura, etc. and all of them do a super-b job.
This is really not up for any debate.
>Doesn't change the fact that Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones still look jarring when you watch them.
No they really don't look jarring, they were made by the absolute best workers in the industry at that time and they hold up extremely well, especially the establishing shots.
>>>tighter plotting
This is also not up for debate. George presented an overarching story of 15 years about a sith lord manipulating his way to the total destruction of his enemies, taking control of the galaxy, The downfall of Anakin, etc. And all this in a way that's totally understandable for anyone and never break contiunity.
The shitquel trilogy doesn't even have any contiunity between the fucking mainline numbered episodes.

>>212669564
>Dude, it's completely true. TFA is a nostalgia fest and then TLJ's core message is "let the past die". Intentionally or not, Rian Johnson wrote a sequel that was a hacky antithesis of Abram's hacky rehash.
I really don't give a shit about what his intention was or was not.
The final product we got is a dogshit remake of ESB with a total dogshit rip-off of the ROTJ throne room scene, while breaking well established canon and lore left and right.
There is nothing revolutionary about it and it fits perfectly in the JewJew's subversive sequel trilogy.

>>212669721
There is not a single thing TLJ does similar to ESB. Or any other Star Wars movie for that matter. It's the only truly unique Star Wars creation.

>I like the prequels
>I like plinketts reviews
>I like the reviewers who make fun of plinkett reviews
I'm a glutton, I'll never stop eatin' good.

>>212668428
To be fair, lucas best director nom was a pity nomination. Everyone knew it was really his wife who saved the movie in editing. Lucas never wanted Luke to leave tatooine, his idea was he would spend his whole life farming! But the talented editor with a few editing tricks and unused behind the scenes footage of Luke driving to the studio created a the whole plot of the movie we all love basically from scratch.

>>212668805
>ROS is an anti-movie, just 2 hours of filler with random things happening with no plot or purpose, no cause and effect.
You don't lack media literacy, you just plain lack literacy of any kind.

>>212662536

>>212662536
>>212662674
>>212662674
>>212662710
RLM are talentless parasites that can't make anything worthwhile, so they just pretend they're critics to feed off the success of people with actual talent.
That's why the plinkett reviews are nothing more than a bunch of pointless nitpicks and lies using a veil of shit "comedy" to misdirect braindead retards into thinking RLM know what the fuck they're talking about.
They're genuine scum.

>>212671370
Why (and how) did the First Order crashland this particular starship, in a specific way so that it lines up with this Ancient Sith dagger, only when seen from this specific vantage point, to point the way to their secret base built shortly after the fall of the Empire?

There's no logic to anything that happens, it's just a series of "cool" scenes that lead you to the next one, but only if you turn your brain off.
JJ Abrams is a hack, cope harder.

>>212672469
What makes you think the shape and message was ancient and not just Palpatine telling Ochi it's okay to damage Ancient Sith Daggers if its in the service of making cryptic notes?

>>212669650

>>212672859
They mention "ancient Sith dagger" multiple times.

And you didn't answer my question.

>>212672859
Interesting. This is very likely what happened. Clever writing on JJ's part.

>>212672956
Not that guy. Are you unironically stupid?

>>212673127
If the dagger had been damaged there would be a mention of it. No, I'm not stupid for rejecting ex post facto apologetic headcanon.

>>212662452 (OP)
>"it will be hard for Fans to imagine Jedi wearing anything but robes."
I call bullshit

>>212662452 (OP)
Uncle Owen wears robes though

>>212673185
I wonder where he got that outfit from. Maybe went to Coruscant and pulled it off a Jedi's corpse.

>>212662452 (OP)
>nostalgia obsessed fans were the reason
No, it was one retard close to Lucas who thought the fans were like that.
Maybe Lucas should've simply reminded him how Luke was dressed in Episode 6 and dismissed the retard instead of accepting his take like a cuck.

>>212673320
I don't think he was supposed to be wearing proper Jedi clothes but something similar to it.
Or they straight up said he got Anakin's uniform from Yoda or something. That would not only prevent prequels from shitting up the concept, but also made RotJ a bit more kino.

>>212673167
I'm not being apologetic about it, breaking an old dagger to leave a message behind because Sheev really loved watching Narkalark Cage in Galactic Treasure on the holonet is just as retarded an explanation for it as the idea of the message/dagger shape being centuries old.

>>212673185
I always thought it was to symbolize how super close he was to falling to the dark side like Vader. But apparently, Lucas made Vader stuck in armor similar to what that a proper Jedi was supposed to originally wear?

>>212662452 (OP)
Explain this.

RLM is over after the Superman video anyway, Jay's comments have absolutely fucked them professionally

When Mike is on the streets as he has no other talents for employment, I hope George takes pity on him

>>212673637
>But apparently, Lucas made Vader stuck in armor similar to what that a proper Jedi was supposed to originally wear
Maybe? In any case, we sorta got that idea back retroactively

>>212673605
Then don't call me retarded. It's a headcanon explanation, it would still be stupid (it only works from a very specific nondescript vantage point) and doesn't answer my question.

>>212662719
Getting persuaded to change things by people around you doesn't mean that you're not creative

That said, I don't think George is one of the best or better creatives or anything

>RLM crying thread #37969
Where did the ecelebs touch you, /tv/?

>>212672037
Based.
FUCK RLM.
FUCK DISNEY.
FUCK THE SEQUELS.
HEIL PREQUELS.
HEIL ORIGINALS.

prequel hate is the same as anime dub hate
anime dub is what the anime is without the language separation and everyone just realizes anime is gay garbage
prequels are star wars without the lack of technology/production separation and everyone just realizes star wars are soap operas for kids but in space
oniichans dick and balls uguu was not some masterpiece, you just felt like youre watching some secret niche thing
star wars was not some masterpiece, youre just a faggot

this is what the 70s comics thought golden age jedi looked like, not too far off from Luke's RotJ outfit honestly