>main villain has a clone of Superman with no explanation

BRAVO GUNN

>superman gets captured
>batman doesn't instantly interrogate luthor and go save superman
bit hard to believe desu

>>212663128
Why did he even do all of that shit to capture Superman. He could have sent Ultraman, the Engineer and Metamorpho to ambush and kill him.

>>212663091 (OP)
>no explanation
But they explain... also they should have him come back as an edgelord Bizarro and Superman redeem and take care of him at the end.

>>212663182
What's the explanation? I must have missed it in that shitty camrip.

>>212663167
He wanted the glowies to approve - if unsanctioned too much risk he brings the Feds down on him because Ultraman/Engineer killing him means there's a high chance it's not inconspicuous.

Post credits sequence should have been Batman related

>>212663223
So? He has an evil clone of Superman under his control. Wtf is the government going to do?

>>212663212
Lex brags about how easy it was to simple comb scenes of Superman battles and antics in the aftermath for the materials needed to make a clone. But idk if you mean it has no explanation in that they didn't explain Luthor's specific process of cloning once they got the DNA samples

>>212663246
Make him public enemy number one and be hated and spurned by the general populace?

>>212663250
I mean, how do you get DNA samples from an invulnerable man? Superman IV came up with an explanation, even if it was silly. Also, even Nuclear Man was a better character than Ultraman.

>>212663284
As if Lex would give a shit.

>>212663091 (OP)
>"Okay so people are tired of the superhero fighting a villain that's basically a clone of the superhero, with all the same abilities. How do we do something fresh?"
>"What if it's a literal clone of the superhero?"

GENIUS

>>212663128
>clones superman because thats easy
>doesnt just clone an kryptonian army and take over
Shit writing, shit director

Why is Lex such an incel in this?

>>212663128
Batman would be fucking useless when Mr. Terrific exists

>>212663091 (OP)
>Prevents both bizzaro and earth 3 ultraman from appearing upfront.

>>212663290
they said he visited every place after superman fought thereuntil he found a strand of hair
also its a comic book movie, youre more uptight about this than Lex literally ripping the universe apart and all of his employees being ok with it

>>212663388
Hair doesn't have DNA lmao. Gunn is a retard.

>>212663415
cloning people from strands of hair is a pretty common thing in stories where cloning exists anon...

>>212663452
And it's retarded in all of them. Hair doesn't contain DNA. It was excusable in Superman IV because that was the least retarded thing in Nuclear Man's birth.

Gunn is officially a hack who has to rip off other superman rip-offs
Superman knock off is sent to earth to conquer it:
Invincible
Superman knock off is defeated by a stronger clone of himself in a black suit:
The Boys

>>212663488
Black Noir was much more of a character than Ultraman too. He was behind Homelander's fall from grace and he was the one who raped Butcher's wife. Ultraman was just a blunt instrument.

>>212663480
once again anon its a comic book movie with superhumans, pocket dimensions, black holes literally opening up on Earth, and your issue is at how hair doesnt have DNA

>>212663517
My issue is that such an important part is glossed over. Why didn't Lex make multiple clones like that other anon said? There's no reason not to if it's so easy.

>>212663091 (OP)
>main villain has a clone of Superman
Again?

>>212663284
Okay, have the "Hammer of Boravia" kill him.

>>212663555
who knows anon, just a guess but probably because the first one turned out as a braindead retard that had to be guided to do everything, and the only person lex would let guide one is himself, so he stuck to just the one

>>212663488
Els being evil is from superman. Ultraman existed a looong time ago

>>212663591
That's headcanon and lazy. Plus he wasn't so brain-dead at the end when Superman murdered him.

>>212663128
Batman doesn’t know superman at this point in the timeline. Bats is busy listening to nirvana

>>212663480
>once again sarr ts a retard movie with retard shit why dont you love it sarr

>>212663605
Comic book Ultraman is not a clone. He's from another universe where every hero and villain has an inverted alignment.

>>212663555
>Why didn't Lex make multiple clones like that other anon said?
I'm assuming it's not easy. At multiple points in this movie Lex says he can do things that he cannot, overstating his competence due to hubris. There's probably some sort of Project Cadmus in this universe and "Ultraman" was a failed but still useful attempt at cloning Superman.

Conics are retarded

>>212663290
Opening scene has him crashing in the snow and bleeding all over the place

>>212663091 (OP)
in the comics Lex makes a super clone like every week so it makes sense

>>212663564
Yep. And he kills him again, but nobody will complain because he's le hecking wholesome.

>>212663841
Didn't he threw him into the black hole where you are only trapped

>>212663831
Seems like a good place to kill Superman without witnesses instead of giving Boravia 80 billion dollars for some bullshit psy op. That's another issue with the movie though - Superman loses every fight.

>>212663376
ultraman will come back as bizzaro. genuinely if you don’t see that coming you are retarded

>>212663870
They made it clear that Superman thinks he CANNOT survive a black hole. That means he intended to kill Ultraman by throwing him in there.

>>212663480
>>212663415

Hair does contain DNA, just very little. The hair follicle contains a lot of living cells and is chock full of DNA...

>>212663875
Yeah and the other superhero characters are way more interesting to watch too.
Also - the old superman music sucks in this. It's ass

>>212663128
I hate these fucking easter egg cameo stuff because I will be mad for years that Metropolis has a direct highway lane to Gotham City and he doesn't do anything

>>212663895
Didn't ultraman intented to take him down with him? That's why he had to break his own arm? There was also the black hole about to swallow metropolis

>>212663091 (OP)
It was probably the most retarded plothole in the entire shitty film.
>Lex wants to kill Superman
>has him trapped in a cage with a guy who can literally turn into kryptonite, and doesn't kill him
And don't give me bullshit like "but he wanted the government to okay the execution". Lex had a clone who could pretend to be Superman instead, just completely under his control. There was zero reason to keep Superman alive.

>>212664261
"A;right I've caught you superman! Now to interrogate you! ...Later though. I have to leave for some reason, don't try to escape because I have no one keeping watch to stop you"

>>212664190
>There was also the black hole about to swallow metropolis
You'll basically be told there is a double standard cause of the outrage over Zod and not this. I guess it's technically correct but I maintain that Zod's neck snapped was basically for people the straw that broke the camel's back, after stuff like "Krypton had its chance", Superman not seeming to be at all outraged and grief-stricken by all the death in Metropolis, the overly long fight where he is utterly heedless of the destruction and does stuff like basically fly above a truck to let it collide with a people and explode, etc. etc. Him viscerally killing Zod was simply the moment that put people at their wit's end. It's fine if you enjoyed this interpretation of Superman but it is equally fine people were not fussed on this version of a character as old and iconic as Superman

>>212663128
which Batman is it? Robert Pattinson?

>>212664337
*collide with a building

Also the fact Zod, despite being genetically engineered, is obviously far more of an individual than the clone also explains why the perceptions differ so much for the audience. Snyder fans will point to a double standard without exploring the logical reasons as to why there is one that isn't some schizoid conspiracy against a genius or people being subhuman apes that are all beneath them

>>212664337
In the context of the movie, it was an incredibly powerful moment and visceral. But the only reason it gets its reputation is because the scene was the first thing that was leaked when the movie came out and the narrative took root way too soon and has never let up 13 years later. It's just a "truth limps while falsehood flies" sort of thing. Lex in this movie was also ruined. he's an even worse, more embarrassing and juvenile than BvS Lex.

>>212663839
You'd think Lex would have to face serious prison time at some point.

>>212664384
In the context of the movie, you got flying bad dragon dildos, Pa Kent being a psychopath and a scene in which you got a skyscraper collapsing in the background while someone said "He saved the city.". If I didn't know it better I'd believe it was just one giant shitpost.

>>212663488
people didnt like the boys comic because of the ending. i thought it was a cool twist and made at least a little sense. homelander doesnt remember doing evil stuff because the clone did it BECAUSE the clones only purpose was to stop homelander if he was to go crazy and kill everyone but since homelander wasnt going crazy and killing everyone the clone had to somehow force it to happen.

so the clone takes pics of itself doing crazy shit and homelander seeing the crazy shit like eating babies and whatnot and being super disturbed by it, starts to do moderately crazy shit and murder in an attempt to stop his apparent alter ego from taking over and doing even worse things. then he slippery slopes into taking over the country and the clone gets to stop him

awesome twist

>>212663091 (OP)
>needs everything spoonfed
you're the type of person who likes Rob Zombie's Halloween to the original because it "explains why Michael Meyers kills people"

>>212663167
It's Lex, it's an ego thing. He wanted to defame Superman and become a hero in the eyes of the people for containing him and having his own metahumans be the ones to fill his role. His whole plan was setup to kill Supes and be thought of as a morally correct savior for doing so.

>>212663091 (OP)
>main villain is a super genius with no explanation
BRAVO GUNN
>main villain is a billionaire with no explanation
BRAVO GUNN
>main villain hates Superman with no explanation
BRAVO GUNN
Sar Snyder would never allow for such sloppy writing in his movies

>>212664384
There is a massive amount of dissonance seeing Superman murder someone to save one family after seeming so cavalier in the aftermath of downton destroyed (basically 9/11 on roads) and heedlessness over collateral during the fight, but your explanation about the leaks was a contributing factor too. The dissonance also repeats at the end during the happy Daily Planet scene at the end in the time after the city was attacked so traumatically.

>>212663128
Batman was a jobber until he started teaming up with superheros.

>>212664395
>you'd think billionaire would have to face serious prison time at some point
Why would you ever think that?

>>212663091 (OP)
This design was really cool and I’m pretty sure they filmed an actual fight scene but they gradually realized they had too much footage of Superman getting his ass kicked and cut it

>>212663128
What the FUCK can Batman do with Mr.terrific being there?

>>212664499
I didn't like the Boys because at some point, the violence becomes tedious. The hookers being on the super juice so they don't die when the equivalent of the Teen Titans visit them? Fair enough, that's not a bad idea.
Homelander being a psychopath for the 20th time? That got boring fast. In all honesty, when violence gets boring you did something wrong as a writer

>>212664467
>and a scene in which you got a skyscraper collapsing in the background while someone said "He saved the city.".
They brought this back for the new Superman as well. After so many buildings had collapsed like dominos, the rift gets fixed and some buildings get slowly pushed back together but are still obviously broken and about to collapse. Despite this, the human side-characters start hugging, clapping, and smiling at it, like it's all saved.

>>212664584
Come on, let me have a little escapism.

>>212664613
Much of the downtown was in ruins down the middle but Metropolis is huge and like, people's homes are probably mostly fine outside of some apartments. Besides, this movie makes sure to mention that everyone got out safely and the city was evacuated, to where it was an issue that the other city wasn't. In Man of Steel, there are countless deaths in the city and several of the collapsing buildings are CAUSED by Superman himself, which is not the case here.

>>212664613
lmao
>hooray
>now we get to engage in costly, lengthy demolition instead of just moving rubble
>su-per-man! su-per-man!

>>212664592
yeah sometimes it gets boring like in god is dead or chainsaw man but sometimes the payoff is good enough to have all been worth it or its just interesting and fun which is why i read god is dead. i wouldnt read the boys again much like i wouldnt read providence again but the ending was well worth it in both cases

>>212664613
>>212664734
Remember the scene where Zod throws a lex corp truck and Superman just dodges it and an entire fucking building exploded? He didn't even try to stop it, it made for a cool visual i guess. There is none of that Superman

>>212664499
It made no sense whatsoever, "Homelander is so strong! What if he turns evil??"
Don't worry we have an even stronger clone to kill him, don't worry about the clone turning evil because we have zero contingencies.

Literal retarded writing from an edgy hack, was there originally going to be some off panel bunker just full of progressively stronger clones to kill the one before?

>>212664613
seeing the city like that gave me lego batman flashbacks

>>212664940
The concept behind Noir works perfectly in the end, though, because he's like 10% stronger than Homelander, not twice as much

That means he kills Homelander and in the process Homelander fucks him up so badly that the military is able to put him down with conventional weaponry

God the most cowardly part of the comic is that they don't show the fight, just Butcher diving away and the aftermath

>>212663323
what if the clones rebel?? lex's goal is to save humanity from the cryptonians, not to make humanity more dependant on them.

>>212666193
They cant because theyre brain dead and remote controlled. Next time watch movie you get paid to shill.

>>212666353
that doesn't guarantee that they won't develop free will.
they are still living beings.

>>212663091 (OP)
He literally explains how he has a clone at the climax of the film
You didn't watch it or weren't paying attention

>>212663091 (OP)
>so, how do you want to direct his movie Mr. Gunn?
>fuck the audiences

>>212666999
>LOL I JUST FOUND SOME DNA OFF-SCREEN

amazing writing